Please check out the link below regarding a conversation between a republican senator from MS and director of the dept. of energy Steven Chu. Chu shares the obama plan for decreasing the American dependency on oil neccesarily causes an increase in gas prices to mimic that of European oil prices in the $8 a gallon range...
http://nation.foxnews.com/steven-chu/2012/02/29/obama-energy-chief-bombshell-admission (http://nation.foxnews.com/steven-chu/2012/02/29/obama-energy-chief-bombshell-admission)
This post is not intended as a slam against obama, but to provide information about the agenda and mindset of the current administration as reported by their chosen spokesperson, Steven Chu, director of the department of energy.
If you can explain to me how increasing the price of oil to $8 a gallon is going to help stabilize our economy, I am open to listening. My personal thoughts are that there will be blood flowing in the streets if this happens.
Wendell, I don't think this will happen. What they want and what they get is two different things. There are some other folks that will not allow it to happen!!!
We could all get Horses, but then the Government would raise the price of hay to 20 dollars a bail.. You can't win.
It doesnt have anything to do with making Americabetter or fixing global warming..........bet it all has to do with putting dollar bills in somebody's wallet.
The best investment right now is Gold, Guns and Ammo. And not necessarily in the order either!
I'm still totally befuddled as to why the pipeline deal was nixed by Obama, and can't understand why his decision can't be overriden? ???
Quote from: runngun on March 01, 2012, 11:05:16 AM
Wendell, I don't think this will happen. What they want and what they get is two different things. There are some other folks that will not allow it to happen!!!
At the risk of offending someone I will say I believe our Founding Fathers never thought prayer would be taken out of school, or the Ten Comandments would be removed from a court house, but it did happen. Ask yourself why. It's because we let it happen, by not taking controll and saying NO. I would like to ask when was the last time you picked up your phone and called your represenative, or you emailed your senators? A vocal few will always control a silenced majority.
At 8 bucks per gal. I figger 10 gals. would buy a good pair of walking shoes.
Far as I know, about this time of the year gas goes up for a couple of months. I hate it also, especially since the closest store to me is about 20 miles. But on the good side I just walk out the door to do my deer and turkey hunting.
Quote from: Neill_Prater on March 01, 2012, 12:17:31 PM
I'm still totally befuddled as to why the pipeline deal was nixed by Obama, and can't understand why his decision can't be overriden? ???
Not to side with Obama...but have you looked at the record of the pipe line?? In the last year and a half of it's operation is has had 12 huge spills...costing millions to clean up...I think the last was in the UP of Michigan...hundreds of thousands of barrels spilled in Canada then drifted to the US...
I don't know what the answer is....
The pipeline issues and cleanup are honestly expected infrastructure issues. There are costs and risks associated with any "improvements" to infrastructure.
Within a mile of my house they are working on the proposed interstate 49. The environmental impact is huge. Acres and acres of land that only a couple of years ago had good deer population now have 4 lanes of massive blacktop and concrete. Acres and acres of trees were bulldozed... the cost of progress. I know that last fall, one young man was laying out forms for concrete work on the project and was run over and killed by heavy machinery. It wasn't anything that could be calculated, but is the result of progress.
If you have ever traveled on interstate 40, you will know that there are frequent repairs, patches, improvements done. I'm sure they cost millions... the price of upkeep of infrastructure... the price of progress.
As I understand, the lower portion of the pipeline is going ahead, without obama's approval. He is aware of the work going on and even says it is a good thing. ??? Sorry, I don't get that whole issue. Nonetheless, he will take credit for any jobs "created" by the construction of a pipeline that he said "no" to. Along with the construction will be residual financial improvements of the economies of the surrounding areas where the construction is going on. Construction workers have to buy gas for their personal vehicles, and eat lunch, and live somewhere while the project is going on. If those numbers add up enough to show any improvement in the economy overall, you can be assured that obama will take credit for that as well.
Before I pop a vein, I gotta get off of here.
You know, the POTUS has said that he doesn't mind high gasoline prices, he just doesn't want them to go up "too quickly."
I want to know when was the last time that he personally pulled into a gas station and actually pumped his own gas, and paid for it out of his own pocket ?
Explain this to me. With gas prices rising daily then why are we exporting gas and oil? Why are we exporting it and importing it at the same time?
We will continue to be puppets until we can find a way to control big oil and big gas companies.
Unreal. Guys, I really wish that we Americans could come up with an alternative to petroleum for motor vehicles.
This is pure stupid to what we are being charged at the pumps. It is amazing that of all the brilliant minds that we have in America we cannot find another way to run our engines. We went from horse and buggy to steam engine, to the gasoline combustion engine within 100 years of each, and we can't find a way to power our vehicles with anything else. I know that there are many factors to why we cannot immediately cut our dependency on crude, but, I believe the time is now to start seriously pursuing an alternative means.
Quote from: TeocTom on March 01, 2012, 11:04:49 PM
Unreal. Guys, I really wish that we Americans could come up with an alternative to petroleum for motor vehicles.
This is pure stupid to what we are being charged at the pumps. It is amazing that of all the brilliant minds that we have in America we cannot find another way to run our engines. We went from horse and buggy to steam engine, to the gasoline combustion engine within 100 years of each, and we can't find a way to power our vehicles with anything else. I know that there are many factors to why we cannot immediately cut our dependency on crude, but, I believe the time is now to start seriously pursuing an alternative means.
You honestly thing that there hasn't been a way to do this invented already?? Theres still way to much money for someone to make in the oil buisness for us to see the"real alternative" yet.
Quote from: Dray223 on March 02, 2012, 07:54:45 AM
Quote from: TeocTom on March 01, 2012, 11:04:49 PM
Unreal. Guys, I really wish that we Americans could come up with an alternative to petroleum for motor vehicles.
This is pure stupid to what we are being charged at the pumps. It is amazing that of all the brilliant minds that we have in America we cannot find another way to run our engines. We went from horse and buggy to steam engine, to the gasoline combustion engine within 100 years of each, and we can't find a way to power our vehicles with anything else. I know that there are many factors to why we cannot immediately cut our dependency on crude, but, I believe the time is now to start seriously pursuing an alternative means.
You honestly thing that there hasn't been a way to do this invented already?? Theres still way to much money for someone to make in the oil buisness for us to see the"real alternative" yet.
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Mr. president has been touting the advantages of fuel derived from algae as an alternative. Here is an article that shows biodiesel made from algae would be around $33 a gallon.
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/algae-biodiesel-its-33-a-gallon-5652/ (http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/algae-biodiesel-its-33-a-gallon-5652/)
Yeah, mr. president, I don't think that's the solution...
A few years back we were hearing about hydrogen fuel cells, and all of a sudden there is no more talk of it? Why was I envisioning a Ford Pinto run on hydrogen being rear-ended and resulting in a mushroom cloud?
I'm all for privately owned companies developing alternative fuels... on their own dime. It shouldn't be put on the taxpayer to help develop a product that the owners of the business may someday get filthy rich off of. Everyone complains about "big oil" and how they get huge tax breaks... Take away their tax breaks and see how much you pay for a gallon of gas. I'm not saying it is right, but those companies are in business to make a profit... just like the company that you work for and the company that I work for. Their profits and their expenditures are on a much grander scale than the company that I work for, but nonetheless, they are in business to make a profit. I have mixed feelings about the selling of domestic oil to foreign countries. I'd love to say the oil companies should consider "patriotism over capital", but in reality... they are in business to make a profit. They don't need us to be their chearleaders to make a profit, so why would they decrease their profit potential? It would be a difficult position to be in having a product that people HAVE TO HAVE and being in a position where you can sell more at a lower cost and bring in the same dollar amount because you are selling more product - OR - sell less at a higher price and still make the same dollar amount and have more product left to sell to whomever can pay the price. Try to put yourself in the same position (mentally). It would be tough... Fortunately I don't have to make that kind of decisions.
It's a speculator's game. Surging oil prices, and the accompanying "big oil" company profits, are keeping a lot of folks' retirement accounts from crashing.
The value of the dollar has declined almost 25% under Zero's regime due to his outrageous fiscal and monetary policy. Oil is sold in dollars, and nations are generally the owner of oil resources throughout the world. Their leaders lose money when the dollar is in decline.
Cut the bull from US fiscal and monetary policy, tighten the purse strings, stop suppressing interest rate, and support the dollar. When the dollar climbs, oil prices fall. It's a well established inverse relationship.
Drilling has created a tremendous domestic supply of NG and prices are the lowest they have been in 10 years or so. Cheap NG can help the economy in the transport sector and elsewhere, from household use to generating electricity.
Here's a fairy tale for your reading pleasure. The guy is drinking the Obama Kool Aid.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/daniel-gross/limited-gas-pains-why-u-better-able-handle-153416885.html
NG is the way to go but we should have started years ago upgrading the infrastructure to handle that kind of demand. Right now were years away from having the capability to handle gas stations on every corner selling natural gas. Not mention the cost of building a NG fueling station.
We all have opinions on how we could fix this problem but it involves common sense in which this nation definately has a shortage of.