I would like to mount a Mueller sight on my 870. It is not tapped for mounts so I am wondering what system you guys have used on your guns?
I think the only other option is a saddle mount. Search Midway USA or Optics Planet and you'll see what it looks like.
Are the saddle mounts able to take the recoil of 3.5" mags? Also, it is a weaver style optic right?
I took my 870 to a gun smith and had him bore and tap for a mount. I mounted a Fast Fire II on it and just love the slim lines. It shoots great as well. Previously I had a saddle mount but that sits just a little too high for my comfort as well as being a bit uncomfortable on the recoil.
Paid $45 for the work plus the mount strip. Recommend you go that route vs the saddle. Just my opinion. Good luck!
The saddle mount will take the recoil and dish it out as well.
I have been using one for the last 7 years on a 870 supermag with 3 1/2 inch shells and a Sigtron red dot and never had a shift in zero or missed a gobbler with it.
Watch your fingers as mine has bit me more than once from recoil as the back of the mount will get you if your not careful.
Lordy I have bleed as much as the gobblers I killed a couple of times when my finger was not low enough on the trigger!
I am setting up a new 870 bone collector with a Burris Fast Fire and Marlin mount and am looking forward to a lower sight picture.
Quote from: wisconsinteacher on February 22, 2011, 04:34:43 PM
Are the saddle mounts able to take the recoil of 3.5" mags? Also, it is a weaver style optic right?
:agreed: :icon_thumright:
Quote from: va longbeard on February 22, 2011, 05:56:18 PM
The saddle mount will take the recoil and dish it out as well.
I have been using one for the last 7 years on a 870 supermag with 3 1/2 inch shells and a Sigtron red dot and never had a shift in zero or missed a gobbler with it.
Watch your fingers as mine has bit me more than once from recoil as the back of the mount will get you if your not careful.
Lordy I have bleed as much as the gobblers I killed a couple of times when my finger was not low enough on the trigger!
I am setting up a new 870 bone collector with a Burris Fast Fire and Marlin mount and am looking forward to a lower sight picture.
YEP !!!:agreed:
I would disagree.
There are atleast two post of b square mounts with bent screws due to recoil.
Maybe some have had trouble but I have four other friends that are shooting 3 1/2 inch hevi shells with the B square mounts and not one of us has had a bit of trouble.
The only drawbacks I have seen are weight, high mount and bloody fingers from recoil.
Quote from: va longbeard on February 22, 2011, 08:26:56 PM
Maybe some have had trouble but I have four other friends that are shooting 3 1/2 inch hevi shells with the B square mounts and not one of us has had a bit of trouble.
The only drawbacks I have seen are weight, high mount and bloody fingers from recoil.
This right here would make me want to get the gun drilled and tapped. :anim_25:
get a weaver 429M rail and have gun drilled and tapped for it.
I have used the 429 mount on several of my 870's.
Here are a few mounting pictures I took while I was mounting them. You will see one full length and one cut off.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n164/jkwillou/turkey%20shotguns/new870006.jpg)
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(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n164/jkwillou/turkey%20shotguns/scopemount001.jpg)
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Another option is to use an Aimtech Rib-Rider mount. As the name implies, it mounts on the rib in a "scout scope" position.
Here's the link: http://www.aimtech-mounts.com/Rib%20Riders.htm
And here's a pic of one on my 870: (mine is the 2pc, a 1pc is also available)
(http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/HEADSHOTSGB/NathansFirstGobbler005-1.jpg)
Nathan
The B-Sqaure mount is higher quality than some of the other saddle mounts out there. I have not had any problems with mine at all.
One of the advantages of the B-Square...
The saddle is raised so you can see under it. Put a fiber optic bead style sight on the front and in the unfortunate case that your batterys die while afield you can still shoot with the fiber optic sight.
My $.02
Okay, I called a gun shop in town and to drill and tap 4 holes, they want 50.00. I see that someone posted a picture of a base that was cut with only two holes. Could this be done for the Mueller RD to give it a cleaner look? Also, what Weaver base would you get? I think I am going to go this way with the 870. (I just sold some AR parts to cover some of the cost)
Just got my 870 back from a drill and tap with weaver mount, looks good. Now to get a FF II and gobbler74 protector
I would expect you could have any placement of holes you wanted. Just find a rail long enough with just 2 screws and have it drilled to fit that base. Don't know which one you would need, just look at your local gun shop and find one that works.
Quote from: wisconsinteacher on February 24, 2011, 08:41:36 AM
Okay, I called a gun shop in town and to drill and tap 4 holes, they want 50.00. I see that someone posted a picture of a base that was cut with only two holes. Could this be done for the Mueller RD to give it a cleaner look? Also, what Weaver base would you get? I think I am going to go this way with the 870. (I just sold some AR parts to cover some of the cost)
The Weaver 429 base is what fits a Remington Receiver (see above picture)
I have bought them and used them full length and also cut them down (once again see the above pictures).
Hope this helps.
I am going to find an 429 mount and then get the sight and cut it down to size. To me it looks better. I would think two screws will hold it down well.
I just called the gun shop and he said you have to go with 3 if not 4 holes for the 3.5" mag rounds. Is this true?
I have the short mount you see in the picture on a 3.5" Super Mag. I have not had any problem.
I did drill all 4 holes for the full length mount just in case I ever wanted to use something that required a longer mount.
There are several guys that are running the 336 mounts and I think they only have 2 screws in them.
the 336 mount only uses 2 screws but thet are bigger than 4 screws used with weaver 429m. the 336 uses 8-40 and weaver uses 6-48.
Quote from: schief on February 24, 2011, 09:14:20 PM
the 336 mount only uses 2 screws but thet are bigger than 4 screws used with weaver 429m. the 336 uses 8-40 and weaver uses 6-48.
They may be bigger but I don't think the concern is shearing them off. A #6 vs a #8 screw (diameter wise) is very little (about .02 or so.) I can check the exact diameters of both if needed but my point is, as long as you have 85% or so thread engagement diameter wise, you should be fine with either.
Where you could get in trouble with either is using too large of a tap drill, but using the right size drill bit is machine shop 101.
Quote from: pullit on February 24, 2011, 10:01:44 PM
Quote from: schief on February 24, 2011, 09:14:20 PM
the 336 mount only uses 2 screws but thet are bigger than 4 screws used with weaver 429m. the 336 uses 8-40 and weaver uses 6-48.
They may be bigger but I don't think the concern is shearing them off. A #6 vs a #8 screw (diameter wise) is very little (about .02 or so.) I can check the exact diameters of both if needed but my point is, as long as you have 85% or so thread engagement diameter wise, you should be fine with either.
Where you could get in trouble with either is using too large of a tap drill, but using the right size drill bit is machine shop 101.
all i was stateing was the difference in the 2 mounts. as far as which is stronger or better mounts i leave that to the experts.
I think one reason the fastfire only needs two screws is the weight of the sight.
a steel full length base will weigh more than a fastfire and the marlin base.
This reduces the stress placed on the screws. Physics 101 ...inertia
What does the Mueller weigh?
I looked it up. The Mueller weighs 4 oz and the burris .9 without the marlin base.
Quote from: schief on February 25, 2011, 07:49:05 AM
Quote from: pullit on February 24, 2011, 10:01:44 PM
Quote from: schief on February 24, 2011, 09:14:20 PM
the 336 mount only uses 2 screws but thet are bigger than 4 screws used with weaver 429m. the 336 uses 8-40 and weaver uses 6-48.
They may be bigger but I don't think the concern is shearing them off. A #6 vs a #8 screw (diameter wise) is very little (about .02 or so.) I can check the exact diameters of both if needed but my point is, as long as you have 85% or so thread engagement diameter wise, you should be fine with either.
Where you could get in trouble with either is using too large of a tap drill, but using the right size drill bit is machine shop 101.
all i was stateing was the difference in the 2 mounts. as far as which is stronger or better mounts i leave that to the experts.
I was not picking, just saying I don't think it will matter in this case.