It's 47 degrees on my thermometer and that's with the sun on it right now. But I'm gonna go try out a few new chokes. I just won't shoot as much as I would on a 60 degree day which is what I like to at least test in. But at least I can get this urge that is driving me crazy out of me. LOL! Wish me luck. :z-paddy-smiley113:
My car is already packed. :you_rock:
post em up when you get back :z-guntootsmiley:
Quote from: knightrider on February 22, 2011, 02:25:15 PM
post em up when you get back :z-guntootsmiley:
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I'm going to post some patterns in a bit. Some were good for the cooler temp. I had 2 that surprised me. I had some that aren't as good I'll tell you more in a bit.
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The temp was 45 degrees. So that put a damper on most of my patterns. But there were a few that surprised me.
Here's one of them. This is awesome for the temp. This was the very first shot through the new choke.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF0069.jpg)
Here's the other with the SSX. It's not a bad choke at all for what I paid. I gave $23 for this choke off of gunbroker. I know it's made in China. But I just bought it to test to see what it would do.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00455.jpg)
Here was the first shot with the new Indian Creek .675 BDS.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00602.jpg)
Here was the second shot.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00485.jpg)
The Tru-Glo SSX and the Indian Creek shot a lot better today in the cooler temp than the Star Dot. I only shot the Star Dot once and that was enough to see that it wasn't nothing to brag about today in the cooler weather.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00474.jpg)
Here was the biggest surprise to me today. The Rem .655 Ventilator and my 870 shooting only 1 and 3/4oz #6 Hevi-13 loads. Now in 70 degree weather I would bet this will go up close to maybe 30 shot. This load I believe out shot the 2oz load of Hevi-13 #6 with this choke. I didn't count them, but I can tell by looking.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00631.jpg)
Here's another with that choke.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00675.jpg)
The MAD that normally lights it up with the Hevi-13 #7's didn't do very well today either. This choke in 70 degree weather has put almost 300 shot in 10" just so you know how temp can effect the patterns.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00653.jpg)
I shot these all standing up freehand and it was windy. The range was closed when I got there so I found a safe spot at the edge of the woods and setup to shoot these. All these were shot at a tape measured 40yds.
looks good to me :icon_thumright:
Well I'm going to ring out that Indian Creek and SSX choke when the 60's get here. Both those chokes did very well for 45 degrees.
you saying your not gonna use them or did you mean bring them out?
Quote from: devin4484 on February 22, 2011, 08:34:57 PM
you saying your not gonna use them or did you mean bring them out?
I'm saying I'm gonna see what they really will do when it gets 60 degrees. That Indian Creek should only do better. Don't know how much better the Tru Glo will do on the 312, but we will see. That is lighting it up for 45 degrees. It may do even better than that unless that first shot was a fluke.
I know my cheek under my right eye has got a knot on it. It hurts. But I can take it. I shot 10 rounds today.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on February 22, 2011, 08:40:13 PM
I know my cheek under my right eye has got a knot on it. It hurts. But I can take it. I shot 10 rounds today.
:you_rock: :you_rock: :you_rock:
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00631.jpg)
Ok if the numbers I got are correct and there is in fact 334 shot in this load that's 62.5% of the load in the 10" circle. I hope that it gets better when it warms up. But it may not. But I would only think that it should.
Congratulations on your results. Some of those are surprisingly good for 45 degrees. Your SSX may be a real shooter.
I should have kept my SSX, but either it or the Ventilator needed to find a new home, so I let fate decide for me. I'm down to an Indian Creek .665, a Gobblin' Thunder .665, and a Ventilator .655 for my 870.
Love that truglo ssx in .670 pattern. Do you think the Puregold in .670 will yield similar results.
I have said several times in the past that the 1.75 Ounce H13 #6 load is a good shell. Now you jut posted up a good pattern to prove it. :icon_thumright:
Quote from: joshua on February 23, 2011, 05:06:29 AM
Love that truglo ssx in .670 pattern. Do you think the Puregold in .670 will yield similar results.
night an day difference between those to chokes...design,quality,consistency and above all looks!
IMO,a big plus for the PG.670 in the mossy 835!!
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Quote from: joshua on February 23, 2011, 05:06:29 AM
Love that truglo ssx in .670 pattern. Do you think the Puregold in .670 will yield similar results.
Well to be honest whether any other choke would have yielded 312 hits in a 10" in that temp I would have to say I doubt it. But you never know. Pure Gold makes a great choke, and so does Indian Creek. But you really would have to shoot the chokes more to take a better overall avg on what is going on. The potential with that Tru-Glo looks to be great if you avg those 2 shots. I have said this before about chokes and I will say it again. Once you think you figure out what is working and why it works, low and behold another choke comes along and completely blows all that out of the water. The only way you will know for sure to answer your question in all honesty is to shoot that choke on that day in that temp under the same conditions and then you will have your answer. Remember this, that Star Dot choke typically would be a hard choke to beat on 60 to 70 degree days. It got smoked yesterday in the cooler temp.
And I was shooting the exact same shells from the same box and same lot # just to let you know I didn't alter the ammo by mixing lots.
Quote from: 3" 870 Shell Shucker on February 23, 2011, 06:30:39 AM
I have said several times in the past that the 1.75 Ounce H13 #6 load is a good shell. Now you jut posted up a good pattern to prove it. :icon_thumright:
Thanks and you are right about this load. One of the best I have shot. But that was only one shot, but I don't beleive in flukes when it comes to ammo. That was no fluke.
The 2oz load in this choke only yielded 143 hits in the 10". So there has to be a huge difference in the shorter length of the shot column vs the 2oz load in the physics of all that and what is going on through this choke is my guess. Interesting to say the least. I learned a little from all this. :you_rock:
This is why I like the PG.670 in the 835.may not be high #'s but it sure is consistant/even in all temps and conditions with the H13 2.25 #6's for me!! :icon_thumright:
(http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr348/smokeyscustomcalls/PG835001.jpg)
(http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr348/smokeyscustomcalls/PG835002.jpg)
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on February 22, 2011, 08:40:13 PM
I know my cheek under my right eye has got a knot on it. It hurts. But I can take it. I shot 10 rounds today.
Beartooth Comb Kit. $20.00 will fix that problem.
great patterns :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:
Well I learned some more about how many shot was in that load of 1 and 3/4oz #6. And this isn't counting the shot that missed my cardboard. I counted 517 shot in the cardboard. So the shot calculator table is way off from the 334 shot supposedly in this load. They are cramming these loads with a lot smaller shot for sure. So that only makes the pattern in the 10" 40% of the load and maybe even less for I would bet some shot didn't hit he cardboard. Here's the overall pattern just to let you know.
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still looks like a very dead bird to me
Yea, and you got to remember this pattern was one of the last shots I took offhand mind you. But my cheek was sore and also the wind may have played a part of it being a little off centered. When I shoot at the range off of my benchmaster rest the 870 typically hits deadnut. The Moss 835 shoots a little left and down. But my cheek is still throbbing. :lol:
SCC, not to go against what you posted, but making the point in what I said here is that all chokes will shoot different in cooler temp regardless what brand name is on the choke. Some may do better than others. There is nothing wrong with a Pure Gold choke for sure, but it too will have its day when there will be others that will beat it. Like I said there are no absolutes in the world of choke tubes. That Star Dot took a licking yesterday, but when it warms up we will see what all these chokes will do.
Finding a choke for each individual gun that is consistant from 30 deg. to 90 deg. at 40yrds. with the ammo you choose is the name of the game when it comes to a hunting choke,200 even hits being optimum.IMO
great patterns. cant wait to shoot now. only place i found the hevi 13 3" 6 shot was at cabelas bargain cave. nobody around here carries them or if they do they are gone as soon as they get to the shop. thanks again for all ur help
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Looks like the good ole Ventilator was showing out again.
A friend of mine was patterning his rig the other day and after I screwed a VL in his rig and he fired it with a lead load and a OW6, he was hooked :D
Its gona be another month before its in the 50's during the day here so I am waiting to pattern the 7's with a couple different chokes will post pics whn I do it. :z-guntootsmiley:
Hey Bro....Those look VERY nice. That SSX did a VERY good job. It'll be interesting to how much the I C improves with the weather ;D
Quote from: drum817 on February 25, 2011, 04:52:08 PM
Hey Bro....Those look VERY nice. That SSX did a VERY good job. It'll be interesting to how much the I C improves with the weather ;D
You got that right. Me too!
I would also be interested to know if I should try a .670 Indian Creek BDS and see if it will improve vs the one I have. I know that Mike or Stuart would let me try one against this one and keep the one that shoots the best. Heck I may even need to try a .680 as well. That way I would know for sure. But I don't want to get carried away. :z-guntootsmiley:
Why is 60 degrees so important? I mean if we are talking about patterns good enough for killing turkeys shouldn't we do some real hunting condtions patterning?
Quote from: Gobblerdn1 on February 25, 2011, 06:26:16 PM
Why is 60 degrees so important? I mean if we are talking about patterns good enough for killing turkeys shouldn't we do some real hunting condtions patterning?
Very true. But if you like to play like I do you learn very quickly what temp will do to patterns and I have what I like to test in to stay objective. 60 degrees is what most guys that pattern loads like to have when they test. It gives them I guess objective guidelines for what works and what doesn't. But at the same time the cooler temp will put a damper on these chokes that shoot great on warmer days. And that goes for any choke regardless of the name on it. 10 degrees increase in temp will really help overall patterns. But like I said if you don't have certain guidelines to measure then it is hard to really have much validity in your results in testing in certain temp so that you know what is working and what isn't. More times than not the chokes that shoot great on warmer days and beat out other chokes will still beat the same exact chokes on cooler days.
10-4.
Just remember when you shoot in colder air your shooting in thicker denser or heavier air. So my theory is that dense air wreaks havoc on the shot flying as true and are more influenced by the denser air and trying to go through it like they would in warmer thinner air where the shot is less likely disturbed. So that explains why the patterns are more open in cooler temperatures.