I just realised I'm out of blue loctite. I like to use it for scope screws and bases. I just mounted my Tru-glo red dot on my Turkey Thug and I used Gorilla Glue. You fellas think that will work?
Seriously?
Bad Idea. If it is still wet take it apart and clean it all out. Brake cleaner, hot water, anything.
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Think you might regret this one, good luck!
Why?
I I didn't get it all over the thread just one little drop on the screw thread. I don't plan on taking it off anyways. I had my old rred dot on my Nova for two years and never took it off. Plus I got one on an AR thats hasn't been off in years. Besides it's a cheap red dot anyways. If it needs to come off I'll buzz the cheap nuts off. I'm not worried about that. I was wondering how good it works and if it would hold up to the vibrations, I've never used it before. Getting the nuts off of that cheap thing will take me five minutes tops if it needs to come off.
Is it really necessary to use anything on scope mounts?
LOL!
So I take it you guys think it will hold? LOL!!!!!!!
By the responses I think so. Good.
I was more worried it wouldn't not knowing what the elcheapo red dot was made of. If this one goes I'll put a Eotech or Aimpoint on. I love the Eotechs.
Quote from: eaglea1 on February 28, 2012, 01:47:18 PM
Is it really necessary to use anything on scope mounts?
I never have. I do check zero every year on all my scoped guns before they hunt. Never had a problem but it is not a bad idea to do it either.
I don't think it will vibrate off.
I'm hopin that I won't need to use anything like that on a new gun, with my Vortex strikefire.
Quote from: eaglea1 on February 28, 2012, 01:47:18 PM
Is it really necessary to use anything on scope mounts?
i didnt put anything on my Mueller Quick Shot when i installed it on the base. I did to the base but not the actual sight. just tightened it real good and i check it from time to time.
I ruined one hole on an 1187SM by not using LT. Been using the stuff on every base for a long time, but somehow had a brain fart and didn't on that base. The screws worked loose even though the sight was a light Burris FF and repeated shooting wore out one of the screw holes. Sure wasted some shells before I found the problem.
I don't know if GG will work, but I have used other adhesives on threads when LT wasnt available w/o an issue. I've even used red LT on alloy recievers w/o a problem. I know a smith that uses red on just about all base screws. I don't know that I'd go that far as blue seems to work fine.
The best thing I've found when I couldnt get my hands on LT was finger nail polish.
If you ever get a screw that doesn't want to back out, put a soldering iron on the head for a bit and try again.
You can usually find blue at any auto parts store, may be the PT brand.
I usually don't do it. I only did it with blue loctite on my Nova another cheap red dot(Tru-Glo Gobbledot) and my 7mm mag 4-12 scope. I missed a trophy of a buck one year at camp due to my rifle rings coming loose. So my mag and turkey shotguns get blue loctite ever since. I wouldn't have used the glue on anything super valuable. If this dot fails its going in the trash anyways, so I'll have no remorse cutting the nuts off of it.
My biggest worry was if it would hold, because it says it won't adhere well with poly ethelene and something else I forget off the top of my head. Yeah I also learned the hard way with that gobbledot when I was sighting it in. It vibrated loose on me a bit the first time. Blue LT is awesome. I to had it recommended by a smith. I'd never use the red LT though on one of my firearms.
I won't be surprised if this thing lasts for years though. The gobble stopper lasted two seasons and as far as I know its still working. And I put quite a few rounds through it sighting it in once here in Pa and another sighting in session when I hunted in Maine, because they won't let you use anything smaller than 6 shot up there.
When this thing does go, I think I might try one of their more pricier dots. This traditional dot seems descent for the money. Plus I live the fact that I have a see through mount on the Thug so I can still see the irons anyways. And I always test both POA and POI on dot and irons.
Quote from: eaglea1 on February 28, 2012, 01:47:18 PM
Is it really necessary to use anything on scope mounts?
Yes. I use blue loctite. I have used clear fingernail polish a couple times when I didn't have loctite. I've had scope bases on a couple rifles work loose some years ago. Been using loctite ever since.
Two of you fellas mentioned finger nail polish now. I never thought of that. Does it work good? The Mrs. has that stuff, shoot I wish I'd known to use that. Oh well, by the responses I got the GG should work. I used the GG on one of the wifes bird feeders one time so I know it works good on wood. The plastic on this red dot still has me worried though. Will find out in another hour. That will be two hours and I'm going to shoot this new shotty for the first time.
Wish me luck! My shoulders going to need it.
Quote from: BrownTrout on February 28, 2012, 02:08:37 PM
My biggest worry was if it would hold, because it says it won't adhere well with poly ethelene and something else I forget off the top of my head. Yeah I also learned the hard way with that gobbledot when I was sighting it in. It vibrated loose on me a bit the first time. Blue LT is awesome. I to had it recommended by a smith. I'd never use the red LT though on one of my firearms.
I have used Gorilla Glue to mount sights on plain barrels and it works. It's just important to clean the surface and allow for expansion.
I use JB Weld under every base that I mount and thread locker on all of the base screws.
Prior to doing that, I had bases shoot loose and that's a real problem. It not only messes up your day but it usually means a new drill and tap job on the receiver.
Normally, you can remove any type of scope, leave the base on the gun and use it for wing shooting, etc. The base really does not interfere with that.
Thanks,
Clark
P.S. At a still target shoot last year, Brian Sloan, a great shooter, had a base come loose from his gun and the scope, base and all hit him in the face. It cut him very badly in the forehead and could have been much worse. He has a pretty large "battle scar" from that encounter.
Quote from: allaboutshooting on February 28, 2012, 03:03:53 PM
Quote from: BrownTrout on February 28, 2012, 02:08:37 PM
My biggest worry was if it would hold, because it says it won't adhere well with poly ethelene and something else I forget off the top of my head. Yeah I also learned the hard way with that gobbledot when I was sighting it in. It vibrated loose on me a bit the first time. Blue LT is awesome. I to had it recommended by a smith. I'd never use the red LT though on one of my firearms.
I have used Gorilla Glue to mount sights on plain barrels and it works. It's just important to clean the surface and allow for expansion.
I use JB Weld under every base that I mount and thread locker on all of the base screws.
Prior to doing that, I had bases shoot loose and that's a real problem. It not only messes up your day but it usually means a new drill and tap job on the receiver.
Normally, you can remove any type of scope, leave the base on the gun and use it for wing shooting, etc. The base really does not interfere with that.
Thanks,
Clark
P.S. At a still target shoot last year, Brian Sloan, a great shooter, had a base come loose from his gun and the scope, base and all hit him in the face. It cut him very badly in the forehead and could have been much worse. He has a pretty large "battle scar" from that encounter.
JB Weld......interesting....I haven't used that stuff in along time. I've never used it on a rifle or a shotgun, but I won't hesitate now.
Thanks for the pointer,
Jason
I had a gunsmith tell me one time to never put red loctite on scope mounting screws. He said it would the heck trying to ever get it off if I wanted to. He said to always use blue loctite. Apparently it holds just fine, but with some effort, you can back a screw out if you absolutely need to.
Quote from: Oconeeguy on March 01, 2012, 12:39:50 PM
I had a gunsmith tell me one time to never put red loctite on scope mounting screws. He said it would the heck trying to ever get it off if I wanted to. He said to always use blue loctite. Apparently it holds just fine, but with some effort, you can back a screw out if you absolutely need to.
Yeah I had a gunsmith tell me the exact same thing. I'd never use the red, but the blue works fine.
I've only used red on alloy recievers and it worked. Took one off, tough, but it came off. I've used blue on alloy and steel with good results. Blue is quite easy to remove even after they've been on a while IME. As I mentioned, I know a smith that uses red on every base. I don't believe I'd go that route on everything. He claimed he'd seen blue back off too many times.