Just picked up some new targets today, and i am going to pattern my new stoger, my nova, a youth 410 and 20 ga tom. gonna take my time and really get er done, but what makes you happy with shot count
12 gauge 3.5" Mag
Lead 6s--130 in 10"
Hevi 13--6's 200 in 10"
Hevi 13--7's 275 plus in 10"
Fed. Heavyweight 7's--170 plus in 10"
:fud: :OGturkeyhead:
Sorry I dont shoot anything smaller.
I think there is too much emphasis on how many pellets you can put inside a 10" circle @ 40 yards. A more effective "Killing" pattern would be to have a "even" & "full" 20" pattern.
A good 20" pattern would give you a better chance to have a clean kill if you are off or flinch IMHO.
20 ga: 150-170 hits in the 10" with htl 7s
12 ga: 230-280 hits in the 10" with htl 6s or 4x5x7
I have no interest in a 20" pattern
100+ in a 10 in circle @ 40 (minimum)
250-300 is possible with allot of work and choke/shell testing$ (12g.)
*Shooting a 20g you may be able to pull it off @ 40 with HTL.
*Shooting lead you may want to bring your max distance in from 40yds if your numbers are looking a good bit less than 100 in a 10.
*Lead out of my 20g has me shoot 30-35 max. HTL has me at 40 max.
*410 is gonna be very close yardage gun unless you are gonna do some serious work on the gun and handload.( Based on my experience with a couple of .410's I would not recommend shooting a 410 at a turkey.) Use it on the squirrels.
It will never happen but I want all of them in a 10" circle. :)
I would settle for all of them in a 20" circle, but that ain't happened either. LOL
A good even pattern with no gaps for hunting is all that is needed.
Lead #5's: 10" - 100+ and 20" - 200+
Lead #6's: 10" - 130+ and 20" - 270-300
Hevi #6's: 10" - 170-200 and 20" - 300+
Hevi #7's - 10" - 250+ and 20" - 400+
Quote from: leasburg on February 25, 2012, 10:44:45 PM
Just picked up some new targets today, and i am going to pattern my new stoger, my nova, a youth 410 and 20 ga tom. gonna take my time and really get er done, but what makes you happy with shot count
Pattern density and good even coverage should be our goal both in the 10" core pattern and in the fringe pattern of 12" to 18" or so.
A 20 gauge shotgun is quite capable of producing excellent killing patterns. In our state it's the smallest gauge that can be used for turkeys. With the limited load and normally very limited choices of chokes in the .410, it would not be a choice for me to use in the turkey woods.
Thanks,
Clark
Quote from: K9Doc on February 25, 2012, 11:02:54 PM
12 gauge 3.5" Mag
Lead 6s--130 in 10"
Hevi 13--6's 200 in 10"
Hevi 13--7's 275 plus in 10"
Fed. Heavyweight 7's--170 plus in 10"
:fud: :OGturkeyhead:
Sorry I dont shoot anything smaller.
Are you stating that you want different numbers using different loads or is this what you have gotten with these loads? This can be confusing to newbies and old timers as well.
100 evenly spaced pellets in a 10" circle will kill a turkey every time.
For me, as long as I achieve that number at 40 yards, I am good.
Now, we all expect HTL will give significantly higher numbers than lead, and if I was only getting 100 pellets in a 10" circle at 40 with HTL, I would have to do some choke evaluation, as based on experience, that number should be much higher.
Quote from: RAJ on February 26, 2012, 08:44:27 AM
Quote from: K9Doc on February 25, 2012, 11:02:54 PM
12 gauge 3.5" Mag
Lead 6s--130 in 10"
Hevi 13--6's 200 in 10"
Hevi 13--7's 275 plus in 10"
Fed. Heavyweight 7's--170 plus in 10"
:fud: :OGturkeyhead:
Sorry I dont shoot anything smaller.
I believe these numbers are easily achieved with todays new loads and choke selections. Yes my guns actually achieve these numbers and even better. I would never hunt with a gun anylonger that would not print 100 pellets in 10" and 200 in 20" at 40yards. Just no need with modern equiptment.
Are you stating that you want different numbers using different loads or is this what you have gotten with these loads? This can be confusing to newbies and old timers as well.
Im happy with 150 evenly spaced pellets in a 10" circle at 40 yards.
All I can get that is why I prefer to shoot NITROS!!!
I can buy Hevi 13 2.25 oz. #7s and achieve equal to or better #s
Hevi 13 @ $5 per shell.
Nitros @ $8 per shell.
Quote from: bird on February 25, 2012, 11:58:14 PM
I think there is too much emphasis on how many pellets you can put inside a 10" circle @ 40 yards. A more effective "Killing" pattern would be to have a "even" & "full" 20" pattern.
I agree 100%.
Well the stoeger is the winner at this point, 160 in a 16" at 40 yrds, man those heavy 13s 6 shot has some force behind them. way more than the nitros
Quote from: Spuriosity on February 25, 2012, 10:49:28 PM
300 makes me happy but 80-100 evenly spaced pellets in the 10 will kill them every time
X2 I'm still chasing 300.
300 if I'm using 7s or smaller
100 in the 10 will do it every time.
I try to choke my 3.5" Hevi #7.5 loads to where I'm at 380-410 in the 10 at 40.
With 3" Hevi 7.5s I'm good with 300-320.
I like to see about 260-270 with 3.5" Hevi 6s.
200-220 is all good with 3" hevi 6s.
I like 120+ with lead 6s.
Regardless of the gun or load, I like to find where I can consistently get 100+.
I like around 200 of Hevi shot 6's in the 10", that leaves approx. 275 more hanging around in the 20" circle. I have taken 6 with my current set-up 8 steps to 51 steps and all have dropped like they had a cinder block dropped on them.
Clint
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A .410 loaded with TSS 9s is a bonafide 40 yd turkey gun. Loaded with lessor shot, I wouldn't take a .410 after turkeys.
I look at 20" numbers, not just 10". I want a 20" pattern with no place for a turkey's head and neck to hide. I also want a dense enough pattern to give me plenty of cushion for range estimation errors. 300 or so in the 10" and 500+ in the 20" is what I like, assuming the pellets give me plenty of penetration energy cushion.
what are tss 9 shot, never heard of it and very interested if you claim they pattern well
TSS is Tungsten Supper Shot., a non toxic shot that is almots twice a dense as lead. The #9 is the shot size.
Why do some people accept lower numbers for different ammo/gauges? It seems people will be happy for 100 #6's in 20 gauge but want 150 #6's in 12 gauge. This makes no sense to me.
Message to ya hoglips, where do i get this magical 410 load that i must try
Quote from: rebelman on February 27, 2012, 08:52:10 PM
Why do some people accept lower numbers for different ammo/gauges? It seems people will be happy for 100 #6's in 20 gauge but want 150 #6's in 12 gauge. This makes no sense to me.
It all has to do with the MER(maximum effective range). More in the 10 at 40 just stretches out your MER, the range you can consistently place 100 in the 10. If I were to select a 20ga with lead 6s, I'd be tickled pink to have 100 in the 10 at 40 consistently. That's a tall order and hardly any 20s will do it with lead 6s. Maybe that range would turn out to be 35yds, so be it, that's the MER to stick with in the field for that rig. With a 12 and the same(lead 6s), you may stretch that MER to 40, 45, and maybe even a touch further. Same goes for other gauges and shot sizes as well as types.
Just remember that 100 in the ten consistently on a calm warm range session is a far cry from a cold windy spring morning.
"Just remember that 100 in the ten consistently on a calm warm range session is a far cry from a cold windy spring morning."
Ditto, I shot a Winchester HV load in high wind and got 84 in the ten at 40 yds....later, on a calm day, I got 101 with the exact same setup.
Well I'm happy with my 300+ patterns I get with Hevi-13 #7's 3.5" shells in my 835 with a Star Dot choke.