Anyone that has this gun should try a Carlson .682 extended turkey choke and the 3.5" Hevi-13 with 2.25 oz of #5 shot. This load is disastrous on turkeys as the Hevi #5's have just crazy knock down power. This load provides 210 + pellets in 10" circle @ 40yds and still whooping butt out to 60yds. Try it and let me know if you see the same results. My buddy has just purchased same gun, choke and ammo so we'll see what his does once it arrives next week. :z-guntootsmiley:
Fantastic! Let us know what happens with your buddies gun. I'm interested to know if it can be duplicated. The Hevi 5's don't sell very well around here and several places are over stocked from last year. May be able to get a good deal on the 5's in the off season.
Thats a very high percentage in the 10" circle at 40!!! I would shoot it at a lasered 40 yards and get a 3 shot average in the 10" and 20" circles. It that is the average, you have a awesome combo. Go buy every box in that lot # that you can find. Let me know the results. :z-winnersmiley:
WOW!!! That's even better than my tuned up, slug gun triggered, super-cleaned/pollished barrel 835, that literally shoots about everything well and that I practically have to work at to get bad patterns out of will do!!!! :bike2: Post up the patterns please. Seriously.
That's a great pattern, 65%+ of that load is in the 10" circle
Nice! My dad is shooting a Hevishot tube in his Xtrema with pretty good results!
Sawtooth, let us know what your friend's gun does with that combo. You are putting up numbers similar to 6's with 5's.
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i'll definitely get back to everyone one. He just received his gun today and i think were going to take it for a test drive tomorrow. Need to get some poster board and then we are ready. I'll post some pictures of the targets as soon as test are complete.
I shoot Extrema also and very happy with my Indian Creek but always looking for a better mousetrap. Is the model number on Carlson 70030? That's a .665. model 64098 is .683. Am I missing the choke with .682 dia? Can you provide the model number? Can't wait to see the picture.
sorry its a .683 tube. Sorry should have looked vs going off memory.
Ordered one from Carlson's the other day after seeing the post... want to see if it will outperform my Hevi-Shot tube/Nitros and Indian Creek tube/WER's. If I can put up similar numbers to you with HS #5, I'll switch in a heartbeat. I'd always like to have 5's if possible... they are devestating.
Ok we got my friends gun out and it did well. Not as good as mine but very close. Keep in mind his gun is new and the bore has never been polished so it should get better after worked over a bit. From the targets we consistently got 203-209 pellets in the 10" circle showing very consistent results. We took the center of each pattern to identify a 10" circle. The funny thing is during each shot most pellets lost ended up being just out of the circle on the North side. Overall for #5 shot this is a pretty strong pattern.
another one
That will smash a turkey !!
I'm convenced. Thanks sawtooth. Just to be clear b/f I order..... Is it model 64098?
What is the bore diameter in the Beretta Extrema barrels?
Quote from: 3" 870 Shell Shucker on March 01, 2012, 08:35:50 AM
What is the bore diameter in the Beretta Extrema barrels?
Optima + is .733.
Great pattern.
yep thats the one. Good luck with it. I'm kinda on the fence now wanting to go back and spend more time on the .673 Carlson tube as well. Originally i was getting alot of shot blow out like the tube was too tight, however, i didn't shoot but 3-5 rounds through it and never polished it. May try it again and speed more time testing it. Anyway the .683 is bad to the bone for sure. The first couple of shots will be the worst as it should improve by 3rd and 4th rounds so give it a few shots to break in.
Just tried this choke in my extrema with hevi 13 mag blend 2.25 oz 5-6-7's. Got 97 pellets in a 10" circle. That was by far the best load out of 6 others tried (others all lead). Can't wait to find some 5's to try.
Quote from: sawtooth on February 29, 2012, 02:33:17 PM
Ok we got my friends gun out and it did well. Not as good as mine but very close. Keep in mind his gun is new and the bore has never been polished so it should get better after worked over a bit. From the targets we consistently got 203-209 pellets in the 10" circle showing very consistent results. We took the center of each pattern to identify a 10" circle. The funny thing is during each shot most pellets lost ended up being just out of the circle on the North side. Overall for #5 shot this is a pretty strong pattern.
Did you polish the chrome lined barrel of an Xtrema?
Mine is 24". I suspect with sights or a scope adjusted for POI these patterns will improve.
Nice patterns! Those 5's in Hevi should be real head crushers.
I am quite happy with the Carlson's .670 I put in my 835 for this year. Patterns Hevi 6's and mag blends better than my Rhino .695.
No we haven't polished the barrel yet and not even sure i know how to do it right. But yes my gun has the 24" barrel and so does my friends. Both guns ALWAYS provide over 200 pellets of Hevi13 #5's with the 2.25oz load. Based on this i'm fairly certain most of these guns will do the same. I'm working on a new Benelli M2 20 gauge now thats posting 120-130 #6 Hevi's at 40yds. Probably will try and polish the barrel next on it once i'm sure of the correct method to do so.
^^^you might want to reconsider polishing a chrome lined barrel, just saying.
Quote from: sawtooth on March 26, 2012, 08:16:49 PM
No we haven't polished the barrel yet and not even sure i know how to do it right. But yes my gun has the 24" barrel and so does my friends. Both guns ALWAYS provide over 200 pellets of Hevi13 #5's with the 2.25oz load. Based on this i'm fairly certain most of these guns will do the same. I'm working on a new Benelli M2 20 gauge now thats posting 120-130 #6 Hevi's at 40yds. Probably will try and polish the barrel next on it once i'm sure of the correct method to do so.
Just curious..I have the same gun with the 24" barrel. Deep cleaning it..it ooks like a mirror on the inside. It shoots so good now I can bring myself to polish it..don't want to take the chance of messing it up.
200+ with 5's is awesome!
Quote from: dstueve on March 25, 2012, 09:15:33 PM
what barrel length? I have the carlson's with federal hvy weights #7 and don't get patterns like that. Might have to try HS #5.
I would get a box ech of hevi13 3.5" 2.25 oz of #5 and #6
Got my hands on some 5's today and after some tweaking, here are my results:
Extrema 1, 24" barrel, carlson's .683 choke. Lasered 40 yards-
3.5" hevi 13 2.25oz 5's - 100 in 10"
3.5" hevi 13 2.25oz 5-6-7 - 162 in 10"
Not the #s I was hoping for after seeing sawtooth's results, but way better than any lead loads I've tested.
What's the difference in extrema 1 and 2 cause that just doesn't sound right to me. Pm me and we can speak more on this too. There's definitly something different here just need to figure out what it is.
Dude that's almost not possible. Ive never seen any gun with a extra full choke that would do even close to that low of numbers even in lead for a 2.25 oz 3.5" shell. Something bad is wrong with your setup.
I was thinking the same thing. Are you shooting at a big piece of poster board?
Yep, shooting at 3'x3' paper. Pattern is pretty centered. Fired about 10 rounds of lead thru new choke. Cleaned before each shot. This is getting expensive. Don't know if there is any barrel difference 1 vs. 2. This gun does have @ 2000 rounds thru it, (it's killed a duck or 2). ???
That is strange. I know some of my worse 12 gauge 3" guns will do 115 or so with a 2 oz load of lead #5s so you might consider a different gun as I have no idea how it could shoot that bad. Sorry about that.
Quote from: sawtooth on March 29, 2012, 06:11:21 AM
That is strange. I know some of my worse 12 gauge 3" guns will do 115 or so with a 2 oz load of lead #5s so you might consider a different gun as I have no idea how it could shoot that bad. Sorry about that.
There is nothing wrong with his gun. His results with Hevi 5s mirror what I was getting with Winchester XR 2 oz 5s.
How has your gun performed with other chokes and loads? Speaking about the Extrema 1.
Never patterned for turkey with it before this year.
Quote from: Ouachita Mountains on March 28, 2012, 09:13:26 PM
Got my hands on some 5's today and after some tweaking, here are my results:
Extrema 1, 24" barrel, carlson's .683 choke. Lasered 40 yards-
3.5" hevi 13 2.25oz 5's - 100 in 10"
3.5" hevi 13 2.25oz 5-6-7 - 162 in 10"
Not the #s I was hoping for after seeing sawtooth's results, but way better than any lead loads I've tested.
Your magblend numbers are good. If you start chasing the numbers that are posted here, you will drive yourself nuts. I would never try to chase 200 pellets with any number 5 shot. That would get expensive! 100 5's are a killer.
Quote from: sawtooth on March 29, 2012, 07:15:20 AM
How has your gun performed with other chokes and loads? Speaking about the Extrema 1.
It's the same exact bore and choke as the Xtrema II. .733 Optima +.
well sawtooth just got through testing my extrema 2 26" barrel with your setup and man you are right. Best yet is 219 in 10" circle and worst is 206. This gun is a shooter for sure and the crazy thing is best i was getting before was in the 150's with lead 5's. Thanks so much for your info and i love this site. :z-guntootsmiley:
Quote from: sawtooth on March 29, 2012, 06:11:21 AM
That is strange. I know some of my worse 12 gauge 3" guns will do 115 or so with a 2 oz load of lead #5s so you might consider a different gun as I have no idea how it could shoot that bad. Sorry about that.
Ive owned 20-25 turkey guns and have yet to see one that will turn over 100 in a 10 with 3" Pb 5's so your claims of 115 out of the worst guns is not correct. My 24" Xtrema turns 220's with Hevi 6's so his numbers with 5's is about par for the course. Need a Hevi 13 choke and some 7's. Im turning 333 in a 10 @ 40 with Hevi 7's and occasionally use Hevi 6's with 220 in a 10 @ 40.
Quote from: Ouachita Mountains on March 29, 2012, 12:04:51 AM
Yep, shooting at 3'x3' paper. Pattern is pretty centered. Fired about 10 rounds of lead thru new choke. Cleaned before each shot. This is getting expensive. Don't know if there is any barrel difference 1 vs. 2. This gun does have @ 2000 rounds thru it, (it's killed a duck or 2). ???
Have you polished the barrel? I have a browning gold that i have run several thousand rounds of steel through, and I'll be honest, I was never very good about keeping it clean. I wanted to turkey hunt with it this year so I took a look at the barrel and couldnt believe all of the plastic build up. It looked like it had quite a bit of scoring as well. I polished the barrel and it got rid of all of the imperfections that normal cleaning couldnt touch. It patterns a lot better now.
But like someone else said, you dont need 200 in the 10 to kill a turkey. What the Mag Blends are doing is more than sufficient.
Nope, haven't polished the barrel, and won't. It's chrome lined. I will however give it a GOOD cleaning and try again. It's shiny as all get out.
Maybe this combo doesn't work as well in my gun as other's guns. I'm fine with that. I'll try different combo's as money and time allow.
I am confident enough in my mag blend #'s that I will use them this year. It would be nice to see better #'s, but if it don't work, it don't work.
I'm gonna quit messing with the thing and go do some scouting! (after I pattern my son's 870) :funnyturkey:
Quote from: Longshanks on March 29, 2012, 02:10:02 PM
Quote from: sawtooth on March 29, 2012, 06:11:21 AM
That is strange. I know some of my worse 12 gauge 3" guns will do 115 or so with a 2 oz load of lead #5s so you might consider a different gun as I have no idea how it could shoot that bad. Sorry about that.
Ive owned 20-25 turkey guns and have yet to see one that will turn over 100 in a 10 with 3" Pb 5's so your claims of 115 out of the worst guns is not correct. My 24" Xtrema turns 220's with Hevi 6's so his numbers with 5's is about par for the course. Need a Hevi 13 choke and some 7's. Im turning 333 in a 10 @ 40 with Hevi 7's and occasionally use Hevi 6's with 220 in a 10 @ 40.
Come on guys we are talking about 3.5" chamber guns here not 3" or 2 3/4" 12 gauge, 20 gauge or 410's. Yes i did say any gun so are you thinking i meant 410's as well? :) I am talking about any 3.5" gun shooting 3.5" with full load #5 pellet shells. I guess you could also find the lightest oz load which may cause a problem too but hopefully most of you know what i'm trying to get out. If your getting 100 pellets out of these type guns then something is just plain wrong. Distance, barrel issues, defective lot of ammo, choke to barrel alignment etc.
Anyway this topic was meant to help some people with their Beretta Extrema 2's but i'm sure there will be some that don't perform as well. O mountains, as you mentioned i would try cleaning your barrel just to see what happens but either way the blend is definitely a good choice for you. After doing some research i'm like you and will not be polishing the chrome line barrel.
Quote from: sawtooth on March 29, 2012, 03:43:59 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on March 29, 2012, 02:10:02 PM
Quote from: sawtooth on March 29, 2012, 06:11:21 AM
That is strange. I know some of my worse 12 gauge 3" guns will do 115 or so with a 2 oz load of lead #5s so you might consider a different gun as I have no idea how it could shoot that bad. Sorry about that.
Ive owned 20-25 turkey guns and have yet to see one that will turn over 100 in a 10 with 3" Pb 5's so your claims of 115 out of the worst guns is not correct. My 24" Xtrema turns 220's with Hevi 6's so his numbers with 5's is about par for the course. Need a Hevi 13 choke and some 7's. Im turning 333 in a 10 @ 40 with Hevi 7's and occasionally use Hevi 6's with 220 in a 10 @ 40.
Come on guys we are talking about 3.5" chamber guns here not 3" or 2 3/4" 12 gauge, 20 gauge or 410's. Yes i did say any gun so are you thinking i meant 410's as well? :) I am talking about any 3.5" gun shooting 3.5" with full load #5 pellet shells. I guess you could also find the lightest oz load which may cause a problem too but hopefully most of you know what i'm trying to get out. If your getting 100 pellets out of these type guns then something is just plain wrong. Distance, barrel issues, defective lot of ammo, choke to barrel alignment etc.
Anyway this topic was meant to help some people with their Beretta Extrema 2's but i'm sure there will be some that don't perform as well. O mountains, as you mentioned i would try cleaning your barrel just to see what happens but either way the blend is definitely a good choice for you. After doing some research i'm like you and will not be polishing the chrome line barrel.
your statement says "your worst 12g 3" guns will turn 115 with Pb 5's"..yea right...so he should switch guns...thats not the best advice I've heard on Old Gobbler.
Quote from: Longshanks on March 29, 2012, 06:55:24 PM
Quote from: sawtooth on March 29, 2012, 03:43:59 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on March 29, 2012, 02:10:02 PM
Quote from: sawtooth on March 29, 2012, 06:11:21 AM
That is strange. I know some of my worse 12 gauge 3" guns will do 115 or so with a 2 oz load of lead #5s so you might consider a different gun as I have no idea how it could shoot that bad. Sorry about that.
Ive owned 20-25 turkey guns and have yet to see one that will turn over 100 in a 10 with 3" Pb 5's so your claims of 115 out of the worst guns is not correct. My 24" Xtrema turns 220's with Hevi 6's so his numbers with 5's is about par for the course. Need a Hevi 13 choke and some 7's. Im turning 333 in a 10 @ 40 with Hevi 7's and occasionally use Hevi 6's with 220 in a 10 @ 40.
Come on guys we are talking about 3.5" chamber guns here not 3" or 2 3/4" 12 gauge, 20 gauge or 410's. Yes i did say any gun so are you thinking i meant 410's as well? :) I am talking about any 3.5" gun shooting 3.5" with full load #5 pellet shells. I guess you could also find the lightest oz load which may cause a problem too but hopefully most of you know what i'm trying to get out. If your getting 100 pellets out of these type guns then something is just plain wrong. Distance, barrel issues, defective lot of ammo, choke to barrel alignment etc.
Anyway this topic was meant to help some people with their Beretta Extrema 2's but i'm sure there will be some that don't perform as well. O mountains, as you mentioned i would try cleaning your barrel just to see what happens but either way the blend is definitely a good choice for you. After doing some research i'm like you and will not be polishing the chrome line barrel.
your statement says "your worst 12g 3" guns will turn 115 with Pb 5's"..yea right...so he should switch guns...thats not the best advice I've heard on Old Gobbler.
ive been lurking these forums for sometime but decided to join based off this thread. I think its obvious that Sawtooth was just trying to make a point with the low numbers for a 3.5" shell. Not sure why your trying to read some much into his info.
Guys I sure didn't mean to stir the pot. I'm not gonna rush out and buy a new gun. I wanted to post my numbers vs. Sawtooth's just to show the old "every gun is different" theory is true. Sawtooth and 2 others have stated they are getting awesome patterns with this setup, I'm not.
I shoot ducks with this gun. I'm not hell bent in turning it into a paper puncher. Numbers are just numbers, a baseline to judge what a gun might do in the field given everything is as it was from the bench (which it won't be).
Quote from: Mablefarm on March 29, 2012, 07:36:19 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on March 29, 2012, 06:55:24 PM
Quote from: sawtooth on March 29, 2012, 03:43:59 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on March 29, 2012, 02:10:02 PM
Quote from: sawtooth on March 29, 2012, 06:11:21 AM
That is strange. I know some of my worse 12 gauge 3" guns will do 115 or so with a 2 oz load of lead #5s so you might consider a different gun as I have no idea how it could shoot that bad. Sorry about that.
Ive owned 20-25 turkey guns and have yet to see one that will turn over 100 in a 10 with 3" Pb 5's so your claims of 115 out of the worst guns is not correct. My 24" Xtrema turns 220's with Hevi 6's so his numbers with 5's is about par for the course. Need a Hevi 13 choke and some 7's. Im turning 333 in a 10 @ 40 with Hevi 7's and occasionally use Hevi 6's with 220 in a 10 @ 40.
Come on guys we are talking about 3.5" chamber guns here not 3" or 2 3/4" 12 gauge, 20 gauge or 410's. Yes i did say any gun so are you thinking i meant 410's as well? :) I am talking about any 3.5" gun shooting 3.5" with full load #5 pellet shells. I guess you could also find the lightest oz load which may cause a problem too but hopefully most of you know what i'm trying to get out. If your getting 100 pellets out of these type guns then something is just plain wrong. Distance, barrel issues, defective lot of ammo, choke to barrel alignment etc.
Anyway this topic was meant to help some people with their Beretta Extrema 2's but i'm sure there will be some that don't perform as well. O mountains, as you mentioned i would try cleaning your barrel just to see what happens but either way the blend is definitely a good choice for you. After doing some research i'm like you and will not be polishing the chrome line barrel.
your statement says "your worst 12g 3" guns will turn 115 with Pb 5's"..yea right...so he should switch guns...thats not the best advice I've heard on Old Gobbler.
ive been lurking these forums for sometime but decided to join based off this thread. I think its obvious that Sawtooth was just trying to make a point with the low numbers for a 3.5" shell. Not sure why your trying to read some much into his info.
The numbers he was turning with that 3.5 combo are about par for the course. There are some amazing combos out there for the Xtrema and a couple have been mentioned in this thread. I would keep that 1200-1600 dollar gun and spend a little money on a Hevi 13 choke and some Hevi 7's..you wont be disappointed.