Ok, I do ok with a mouth call but I know I could be better. I don't fully understand this blow air from your diaphram stuff. How in the heck do you do that? I may be doing it right but I'm not sure. I've always just blown the call, but I don't think the air is coming from my diaphram. I wasn't even sure I had one. Now that I know I have one how do you get air from it? How is that air different than any other air you blow?
Imagine you've got one of them nasty coughs that cause your ribs to ache. Air that comes from there is the air ya need to operate a mouth call. When I see my belly movin' when I call, I know I'm doin' it right.
So my belly should be moving when I call. Man this is going to be harder than I thought.
Quote from: guesswho on February 20, 2011, 08:20:57 PM
So my belly should be moving when I call. Man this is going to be harder than I thought.
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Kind of like when your trying to fog up a mirror
Considering the amount of Tom's that have fallen to your skills, I don't think it'd be fair to the turkey species for you to get better at any more calls. ;D ;D :D
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Normally when my belly moves it's a accompanied by a loud noise like a dominant buck grunt, followed shortly after by a grotesque smell. My diaphram must be no where near where I thought it was. And I haven't fogged up any mirrors since High School! Man ya'll ain't much help. I guess I should have started this back about August.
Quote from: guesswho on February 20, 2011, 08:20:57 PM
So my belly should be moving when I call. Man this is going to be harder than I thought.
Heck I must be doing something wrong to. I just ran my call and didn't notice my belly moving ???
My belly doesn't move. Get a good seal, and force air through it. It does not take a bunch of air to make a diaphragm call work. In fact, it is just the opposite. Start by putting your tongue, (about an inch back from the tip) on the back of the call. This will hold it in place. Blow softly until you get a noise. After you succeed on a noise, try getting a turkey noise. The front half of a yelp, maybe. When you get that note, then you drop your jaw down for the rest of the yelp.. Practice is the key. Clucks and putts will be easy, once you master the yelp. It is a piece of cake, once you get the hang of it. You don't blow a mouth call like you're blowing out candles on a cake. Nice and easy. It will come to you. Good luck, Guesswho..Mike
Quote from: guesswho on February 20, 2011, 08:53:56 PM
Normally when my belly moves it's a accompanied by a loud noise like a dominant buck grunt, followed shortly after by a grotesque smell. My diaphram must be no where near where I thought it was. And I haven't fogged up any mirrors since High School! Man ya'll ain't much help. I guess I should have started this back about August.
Your blowing the air out the wrong hole
Quote from: guesswho on February 20, 2011, 08:07:09 PM
Ok, I do ok with a mouth call but I know I could be better. I don't fully understand this blow air from your diaphram stuff. How in the heck do you do that? I may be doing it right but I'm not sure. I've always just blown the call, but I don't think the air is coming from my diaphram. I wasn't even sure I had one. Now that I know I have one how do you get air from it? How is that air different than any other air you blow?
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It doesnt take much air at all. In fact, most people blow to hard. Like someone else said, I blow the air like I'm trying to fog the mirror but my belly dont move. I dont do like the instructions on the call say. I dont say yelp or calk or whatever it is. Its hard for me to explain.
I can see it coming now! This spring we are going to hear all these stories about how people missed gobblers because they didn't see them coming in. Too busy watching there belly move while calling...lol :TooFunny:
Quote from: turkey_slayer on February 20, 2011, 09:23:00 PM
It doesnt take much air at all. In fact, most people blow to hard. Like someone else said, I blow the air like I'm trying to fog the mirror but my belly dont move. I dont do like the instructions on the call say. I dont say yelp or calk or whatever it is. Its hard for me to explain.
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Ronnie, call OTH, he is the best non-"pro" caller I have heard.
I also agree, you don't need any more help killing turkeys. :lol:
I never "see my belly move" when I'm blowing a mouth call. It takes very little air with the right seal of the call to make a good sound. Try to make a solid whistle sound with the call. This will force you to keep a good seal, or learn how to, to keep the sound going.
After you can do that drop your jaw down to make low pitch sounds like the yelp and cluck.
I pucker my lips with a little tension while calling too, not just leaving them flapping in the wind lol.
Hope this helps. Best I can do. ;D
i'm sure you are using your calls right. if you take a deep breath then hold it in. then run your call from the air you have held it is coming from your diaphram. you can feel it way down deep. not as deep as your smell bad grunt call but deep in your chest
Quote from: RutnNStrutn on February 20, 2011, 09:30:29 PM
Ronnie, call OTH, he is the best non-"pro" caller I have heard.
I also agree, you don't need any more help killing turkeys. :lol:
Steve and I have had this conversation many times. We even sat at Dana's with Jeff "who is pretty dang good too" trying to help me figure it out . I want to know how they do it and they want to know how I do it. Neither one of us is any good at explaining stuff so I still ain't figured it out. I guess I'll pucker my lips and blow out candles next, then insert mouth call and see what happens.
Think about what it takes to blow up a balloon or when you hock a luggie. That is coming from your diaghram.
BTW this is the funniest thread i've seen in a long time.
TRKYHTR
Sometimes you see guys run out of breath after running a series of yelps. You see the same thing when people blow up balloons. They are both done with pressurized air. You don't run out of breath blowing a candle out because it's different. I was lucky enough to win the tn state in 06, and I had a lot of folks asking for help, mostly beginners. It was amazing how fast some of them got it once they pressurized their air instead of "blowing". Once you understand the pressurized air deal, then understand that more or less tongue pressure on the reeds will change the pitch of the call, as well as how tight the reeds are stretched. It is common to develop an exceptional yelp from moving your mouth like your saying WOW or YAK, while the air moves through between your tongue and the reeds. Mold your sound until you are comfortable. The way you sound will be different than everybody else, just like hens. Get your sound and make it turkey. Practice controlling the call, instead of it controlling you, getting you out of breath and making sounds you didn't want to make. Start with a double or triple reed, something not too thick. No need to pay $10 for a mouth call either. It's a rip off. They ain't worth that much. Clucks and purrs will come easier after you practice your yelp for a while in your truck. I stopped contest calling because I'd rather hunt em than go to a contest that a wild turkey hen couldn't even place in. Just try to copy a hen, not another person calling. There's a lot of hunters with no-so-pretty yelps that kill a pile of longbeards each year, while the "pro" is worrying about how pretty he sounds. :icon_thumright:
blow air like you are hollaring at your children, or a stray dog. Just kiding I never raise my voice at my kids.
Try to "say " different words with the call in your mouth. like : tuc, hac, ten, cholk, kit ,cat, hamp, hope this helps.
I suspect you do allright with a mouth call.
great replies....
Blowing duck calls is about the same in regards to air pressure..
The thing that has helped me with both is learning how to position your throat with regards to how the air comes out...
I have been a comp duck caller for twelve years now, and can say that it has hopnestly helped me with my turkey calling.
For me the most realistic yelsp come form the "word whelp" it sort of helps get the high and low end of the note, and helps get a good rythm....
I am no contest calibre turkey caller by any means though, but it does work for me...
first things first. What reed call are you trying to use. If your just beginning go with a two reed call with some type of a cut in it to give you some rasp. Second. make sure you put the call in your mouth the right way. Most calls have a little bump on them so you know to put the bump down toward you toungue. try to press the air between your tongue and the roof of your mouth which will vibrate the reeds on the call...
The easiest way to learn how to use a mouth call is (IMO) to not to try to make turkey noises right off the bat. I get people to put in the call and make long notes until they run out of air so they can see how the call is working in their mouth. Second I tell them to get in the car turn on some good music, put in the call and use the long notes again and try to make the call pitch go up and down with the music pitch. Start to mess around with the call in to the music, rolling your tongue to pur, cluck, put, cut, yelp, etc.
Some people tell you to use yelp, or other imiliar words. I use cholk... yelp to me sounds like a bird choking on a hawker...
Don't let you buddies discourage you either. Too many times i've seen guys not want to use mouth calls because they don't want to embarass themselves around their buddies. feel free to pm
that TRKYHTR really knows how to work a mouth call :icon_thumright:
He showed me a little on how to improve also.
Quote from: Scottyb on February 21, 2011, 08:35:18 AM
great replies....
Blowing duck calls is about the same in regards to air pressure..
The thing that has helped me with both is learning how to position your throat with regards to how the air comes out...
I have been a comp duck caller for twelve years now, and can say that it has hopnestly helped me with my turkey calling.
For me the most realistic yelsp come form the "word whelp" it sort of helps get the high and low end of the note, and helps get a good rythm....
I am no contest calibre turkey caller by any means though, but it does work for me...
It is the same spot the air comes from for all the calls, duck, goose and turkey.. I too believe duck and goose calling has helped with air control on a mouth yelper..
Ronnie, dont worry about it.. You are most likely doing it right.. If you think dang, I sound like a hen you are doing it right.. I know you wouldnt take a call to the woods you didnt believe sounded like a turkey..
I don't think there is really a way to tell someone how to use a diaphragm other than basic stuff like," how to position it in your mouth". You just hafta practice and it comes. I don't think any of the instruction I've ever been told really helped to get it down in the end. Just a lot of practice. Chances are your doing it right.
Dude, you just need to join the NWTF. You will instantly become a better caller and know exactly which hole the air is supposed to come out of. It is one of the many services they provide..... ;D :newmascot: ;D
Quote from: GobbleNut on February 21, 2011, 10:36:19 AM
Dude, you just need to join the NWTF. You will instantly become a better caller and know exactly which hole the air is supposed to come out of. It is one of the many services they provide.....
;D :newmascot: ;D
:TooFunny: Well played.
Thanks for all the replies, check is in the mail to the NWTF. I hope their better at helping with a mouth call than they are at other services their so proud of.
All this has made it as clear as mud now. I'm going to stand on one foot, close one eye, rub my belly and hope for the best.
I'm pretty sure I have it in the right way, after that who knows.
Quote from: Roy on February 21, 2011, 12:36:56 PM
Quote from: RutnNStrutn on February 20, 2011, 09:30:29 PM
Quote from: turkey_slayer on February 20, 2011, 09:23:00 PM
It doesnt take much air at all. In fact, most people blow to hard. Like someone else said, I blow the air like I'm trying to fog the mirror but my belly dont move. I dont do like the instructions on the call say. I dont say yelp or calk or whatever it is. Its hard for me to explain.
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Ronnie, call OTH, he is the best non-"pro" caller I have heard.
I also agree, you don't need any more help killing turkeys. :lol:
So, would u guys say that pro callers are closer to sounding real than most turkey hunters?
I've heard non "pro" callers sound flat out awesome. Even guys on this site. A competition caller of course has to sound good but they are trying to get each note to sound exactly the same as the last and we all know real turkeys dont sound like that :icon_thumright:
Quote from: 3.5inchpainfulldeath on February 21, 2011, 09:03:56 AM
first things first. What reed call are you trying to use. If your just beginning go with a two reed call with some type of a cut in it to give you some rasp. Second. make sure you put the call in your mouth the right way. Most calls have a little bump on them so you know to put the bump down toward you toungue. try to press the air between your tongue and the roof of your mouth which will vibrate the reeds on the call...
Don't let you buddies discourage you either. Too many times i've seen guys not want to use mouth calls because they don't want to embarass themselves around their buddies. feel free to pm
I'm trying several. The one I use the most is a triple inverted V. And I ain't worried about my buddies, I'm not shy.
Quote from: guesswho on February 21, 2011, 11:27:27 AM
Thanks for all the replies, check is in the mail to the NWTF. I hope their better at helping with a mouth call than they are at other services their so proud of.
All this has made it as clear as mud now. I'm going to stand on one foot, close one eye, rub my belly and hope for the best.
I'm pretty sure I have it in the right way, after that who knows.
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The best way to learn is just to keep messing around with it. You will eventually figure it out. I don't think somebody can give you instructions on how to do it and you pick it up immediately. I know I just kept fooling around and finally got it. It doesn't happen overnight either.
great info
Some have said not to blow to loud. Shouldn't you be at least as loud as a hen? Some hens really crank it up.
ya some hens really crank it out. what you need to understand is that you can yelp and cutt loud without blowing hard, once you get used to using a diaphragm. Sometimes you will want to call loud, like when runnin and gunnin. Just takes practice bud. :icon_thumright:
You must be doing good I aint heard you gagging on it yet. I still do once in awhile. When I first tried it I gagged all the time. Thought there was no way I could use one.
I don't notice my belly move, cause if i got all this belly moving while I'm hunting, i'd scare all the birds within hearin distance off with all that movement, really like one said, just like coughing up a luuggiii, from way down
Try a Dan Kendall mouth call guess, they are easier to run then alot of the others, they fit good and the wetter they get the better they sound.
Quote from: stilker on February 21, 2011, 10:52:34 PM
Sometimes you will want to call loud, like when runnin and gunnin. Just takes practice bud. :icon_thumright:
I have about a month to practice. I think I have the loud part down pretty good. Now I just need to work on the sound quality, rythym and figure out when to be loud, and how to keep the lugies off the call. But I still ain't figured out this whole blow from your diaphram deal. I may be doing ot right and just don't know it.
I've heard non "pro" callers sound flat out awesome. Even guys on this site. A competition caller of course has to sound good but they are trying to get each note to sound exactly the same as the last and we all know real turkeys dont sound like that :icon_thumright:
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I dont know if I would go there..... The best way to sound more turkey is too mimic real turkeys. What works for one might not work for others. Dont listen to other people call. get tree top turkeys and listen to it and try to copy them sounds!
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk222/grasshopper_069/DVD-1.jpg) This DVD covers everything all the different styles and the sounds they create. We go step by step showing you the different sounds you can make and how to create them. I strongly suggest getting a custom hand made call. Machine made calls are easier to make but require alot of air. Once you use a hand made call you will throw the machine ones away
As others have said, I don't think theres any black and white instruction on how to run a mouth call, although I'd have loved to see a copy of that perfection dvd when I started years ago. I started off with mouth calls from the beginning, so thats what I use best. Like others posted just practice making non turkey sounds to begin with, and gradually try to make turkey sounds. And once you have that yelp down, you got it licked. Everything else comes naturally. Something else that seems to help me is trimming down the tape on the call so I get a better air seal. Hope some of that might help, but I doubt it. Constant practice is the key to mastering a mouth call, and advice takes a backseat. Good luck
Just my .02... When I run a call for a long period of time my abs are kind of sore. That's how I know I am using my diaphragm. Like many people have said, it is very hard to explain in words. A little easier showing someone, but they still have to have a little understanding of the mechanics. I achieve my yelp with the call about middle ways back on my tongue. When I say the word "HEE" the middle part of my tongue rises and that is my front end, it should produce a clean and clear sound. My back end is achieved by dropping my jaw and incorporating the work "UP, YOP, ACK, OCK, etc..." So... my whole yelp is "HEE-YOP". Zink actually has a really good instructional DVD on tongue placement and exercises you can do to know that you are using your diaphragm.....Clear as mud now! :bike2:
I just googled diaphram, no wonder I don't know how to use it :o
Quote from: guesswho on February 23, 2011, 02:36:37 PM
I just googled diaphram, no wonder I don't know how to use it :o
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