I hunt with a Browning Siver NWTF 12 gauge 3 1/2. I have handled & shot Benelie Super Black Eagle. Can someone tell me what all the fuss is about with them? I don't see where it's as good as my Silver, but I know personal preferences differ. It's not as heavy & that's the only plus I can find. Almost twice the price tag on them though.....
Sorry, can't tell you, I ain't rich enough to buy either one ;D
All you need to do is shoot one. There are a lot of good shotguns out there but few match up to the SBE or SBE II.
I own both. The Browning Silver, with the overbored barrel, seems to throw better patterns than the smaller bored Benelli barrel,especially with the larger payloads.
Quote from: MOStrutter on February 08, 2012, 09:29:18 PM
All you need to do is shoot one. There are a lot of good shotguns out there but few match up to the SBE or SBE II.
I have but I didn't see the difference???
if i had the money today i would go and get a SBEII as fast as my truck could take me there. Both are fantastic guns i just like the options on the benelli better. I actually am a fan of the inertia system and LOVE that i can break it down and clean it in a matter of secs and Im saying that being a 100% browning man in the rifle world.
Also IMO the SBEII is a better all around gun with turkey, duck and dove but the browning is prob the better turkey gun.
I am glad you asked. SBEII has an inertia operated action. This yields two distinct advantages. One the bolt stays locked until the shot leaves the barrel so maximum velocity is achieved. Two the gases are not vented into the action to build up corrosion and attract dirt and lead to malfunctions and premature wear. This system can function great without cleaning much longer than gas operated autos. Another advantage is the SBEII is the simplest auto design with the fewest moving parts. Many think it is the most reliable and easiest to break down and clean. I agree. For me, it is the best feeling gun I have ever shouldered except for more expensive o/u's. One disadvantage is it kicks harder than gas autos such as the Brownings because it is lighter and shoots harder. Another disadvantage is small bore diameter if you shoot heavy payloads like turkey loads. Another disadvantage is price. It gained major following with waterfowlers who mistreat their guns get them wet never clean themand expect them to work. They are tough as nails.
I have had two Browning Silvers. Great gun and awesome value. The most important thing is what feels good to you when you shoulder it.
I can't help you either. I have shot both and prefer the Browning.....or the Winchester SX3 which is basically the same gun.
I have a browning gold and sbe I like the browning best for turkey hunting.
What they said! LOL
I own SBE II, Beretta Xtrema 2, and Remington 11-87's. Dont have a Browning yet.
SBE II just goes BOOM BOOM BOOM everytime. Great for us lazy duck hunters that dont want to clean a gun, EVER!! They are also a dream to point and swing. They feel great if you are a smaller guy like me. slim forearm and grips. That being said, it is WAY over priced!!
I feel the Beretta and Brownings are far superior in crasftmanship and are fantastic guns.
Quote from: drenalinld on February 08, 2012, 09:55:24 PM
I am glad you asked. SBEII has an inertia operated action. This yields two distinct advantages. One the bolt stays locked until the shot leaves the barrel so maximum velocity is achieved.
All semis keep the bolt locked until the shot has left the barrel. If they didn't, the shell would be extracted while it was still under pressure. This would result in a ruptured shell and a flash of hot gas out the ejection port, not exactly a popular feature.
Quote from: Lovtofly on February 08, 2012, 10:01:07 PM
Quote from: PaTurkHntr on February 08, 2012, 09:18:56 PM
Sorry, can't tell you, I ain't rich enough to buy either one ;D
That makes 2 of us,...LOL
I ain't rich by any means, lol! It took me a year of saving money, working OT, and selling scrap iron to get mine....and I had to sell my 870
in Obcession. The one I have shot and the one a friend has didn't really pattern that well. They also shot low & to the left. I really don't care for the sights on either gun (SBE II or Silver). I took the plastic fiber optic junk off my Silver and installed a regular white bead. This works best for me because I can't see what I'm aiming at with the glowing hase fiber optics produce. I didn't know if it was something I wasmissing about the SBE II or what.....I just couldn't see what all the fuss was about.
I have shot both and own a sbe2 and you just cant go wrong with the inertia drive gun. Quick action but very forgiving.
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I have a silver nwtf.
When looking for a new gun I considered the Benelli sbe 2, beretta extreme 2, and browning silver. The most important criteria I used in choosing my gun was first patternability and then fit.
Initially, there are several significant mechanical differences between the browning and Benelli. They have already been mentioned in this thread. Now to discuss patternability:
The browning is backbored to .742 and uses the invector plus choke system. These features created a solid platform for building a gun that would shoot high #s. After a trigger job to 3lbs with no creep and travel, and barrel polishing to mirror finish, I now have a gun that shoots 287 hits in a 10" circle with an Indian creek .675 and nitro 4x5x7s at 40 yards.
Good luck finding a Benelli that will do that with their .710 bores.
Quote from: natman on February 09, 2012, 04:26:50 AM
Quote from: drenalinld on February 08, 2012, 09:55:24 PM
I am glad you asked. SBEII has an inertia operated action. This yields two distinct advantages. One the bolt stays locked until the shot leaves the barrel so maximum velocity is achieved.
All semis keep the bolt locked until the shot has left the barrel. If they didn't, the shell would be extracted while it was still under pressure. This would result in a ruptured shell and a flash of hot gas out the ejection port, not exactly a popular feature.
You are right, poor choice of words. The Benelli bolt and as I understand it the Stoeger bolt rotate and lock more securely than the other designs. Supposedly pump gun bolts lock in place, but many of them will open up when shooting heavy loads. Gas operated autos do bleed off some energy to operate the action, but it may not be enough to be meaningful.
I don't know about all the advantages and disadvantages of each, but I am a die hard Browning and Winchester man when it comes to my dedicated hunting rigs. I honestly can't say that a SBE2 won't shoot because I hunt with a man who shoots one and with a Briley choke and XR 6's it is devastating out to 50 yards in the real world - never seen him shoot paper. I prefer a gas operated auto unless we are talking A-5's all original made in Belgium - and I sure as heck wouldn't drag that through the turkey woods.
My money is going for the SX3 which is basically the same as the Silver.
I can sum it up....gas vs inertia
Own both..by far the SBEII has less muzzel rise and am able to get on follow up shots quicker.
Both have great patterns with the right set up...>250 with the SBEII setup I have now...so please don't tell me it can't be done..
SBEII is lighter and easier to clean..
Quote from: ghillie on February 09, 2012, 10:16:08 AM
I can sum it up....gas vs inertia
Own both..by far the SBEII has less muzzel rise and am able to get on follow up shots quicker.
Both have great patterns with the right set up...>250 with the SBEII setup I have now...so please don't tell me it can't be done..
SBEII is lighter and easier to clean..
Over 250 with what shot size, ghillie?
It ain't hard to be over 250 with 7s.....
I have a Benelli SBE. I bought it because it fit me well, is recoil operated, very reliable, easy to clean and IMO the best shotgun on the market.
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on February 09, 2012, 12:14:34 PM
Quote from: ghillie on February 09, 2012, 10:16:08 AM
I can sum it up....gas vs inertia
Own both..by far the SBEII has less muzzel rise and am able to get on follow up shots quicker.
Both have great patterns with the right set up...>250 with the SBEII setup I have now...so please don't tell me it can't be done..
SBEII is lighter and easier to clean..
Over 250 with what shot size, ghillie?
It ain't hard to be over 250 with 7s.....
it has nothing to do with HARD vs EASY but 250 is a perfect number to kill a turkey with. Why would it have to be higher then that.
Again i dont have either as they are way over my price range but i am a benelli fan in general and if i won the lottery the SBEII would be the first shotgun i got.
Quote from: reynolds243 on February 09, 2012, 12:40:51 PM
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on February 09, 2012, 12:14:34 PM
Quote from: ghillie on February 09, 2012, 10:16:08 AM
I can sum it up....gas vs inertia
Own both..by far the SBEII has less muzzel rise and am able to get on follow up shots quicker.
Both have great patterns with the right set up...>250 with the SBEII setup I have now...so please don't tell me it can't be done..
SBEII is lighter and easier to clean..
Over 250 with what shot size, ghillie?
It ain't hard to be over 250 with 7s.....
it has nothing to do with HARD vs EASY but 250 is a perfect number to kill a turkey with. Why would it have to be higher then that.
Again i dont have either as they are way over my price range but i am a benelli fan in general and if i won the lottery the SBEII would be the first shotgun i got.
It isn't about good vs good enough. It's about achieving premier performance and the larger bore guns will post the highest numbers day in and day out.
250 is good enough. 280 is better. 300 is even better.
I'm not one who has ever been satisfied with "good enough" because I perceive it to be a higher level of mediocrity.
Benelli is in no way a mediocre firearm, they just fall short in the areas I value the most for turkey guns.
see that is the funny part to me....how is 250 just "good enough" does 300 kill a turkey more then 250 numbers wise?? I mean sure mathematically 300 is better then 250 but from a 40yds turkey hunting gun 250 is much more then "good enough"
at your logic then i should be striving to find a gun that will shoot 400 so it is even better then 300. Numbers are just that...numbers but there is a step and logic to those numbers.
if you are shooting at a bird at 40yds and putting 250 EVENLY DISTRIBUTED pellets in the kill area he is going to do no slower then if i hit him with 300.
Now you want to argue 150 vs 250 or something that is a different story as the gaps start to become large enough to make a difference. I am not downing on what you find important and what your expectations are as we all struggle with the numbers game but to say 250 is "good enough" is comical.
also unless i missed it he didnt say if it was a 3" shell or a 3.5" shell or even 7's for that fact.
Quote from: el diablo on February 09, 2012, 12:36:26 PM
I don't understand the muzzle jump theory? I lighter harder kicking gun has less muzzle jump?
I know this will make benelli guys mad, but to me it's just a price thing. They are way more expensive guns than their competition so when guys buy them they have to start beating their chest on the reliable, light, and easy to clean thing. Which makes them feel better about spending all the cash. They are finicky when it comes to patterns, rarely shoot poa, and have the most recoil of any auto-loader in my experience with them. They jam just as often as the next auto. I guess I don't see what all the fuss is about.
My SBE throws very good patterns,shoots POA and has NEVER jammed. It does kick some but then don't all 3.5" Magnums? I never beat my chest to make myself feel better about spending the money on one. IMO they are worth every penny. Plain and simple , you get what you pay for.
I've shot Brownings, Winchesters(same system), and the Benelli. I've also been around both in pit blinds as well. It's a Ford vs Chevy argument at best. I don't like the Benellis, they just feel cheap, kick hard, and though touted to be very reliable, I have seen them fail. I've seen just about any auto fail come to think of it. I looked at all the newer autos last year and decided to pick up two Winchesters. The Wins just felt better than the others and didn't have that cheap look or feel. That doesn't mean they are any better, just my opinion.
On avg Benellis do not pattern as well as larger bores with turkey loads. Something to consider. Lots of folks have POI/POA issues with them as well. I know quite a few guys that have had POI/POA issues with theirs. Haven't run into that issue with Wins or Brownings, though I'm quite sure it happens.
A friend of mine won a Benelli SBE II as a door prize at a banquet 2 years ago. He then had the POA/POI issues. The gun shot close to a foot to the left & about 8 inches low at 40 yards. Different shells/chokes didn't help. His isn't the first I have seen the same problem from. I notice the HS Strut guys shoot them, and almost all of them have some type of optic on them. I wonder if thats because of the same thing.
Muzzle jump is reduced by the spring set up in the stock...even with 3.5" i'm on geese and ducks faster than anyone in my group..it pisses them off and they frequently tell me to slow down. It really has nothing to do with how light the gun is...the energy is absorbed mostly by that spring. I have upgraded to the all stainless replacement from SureCycle and I swear it runs even faster now than before.
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on February 09, 2012, 07:35:43 AM
I have a silver nwtf.
When looking for a new gun I considered the Benelli sbe 2, beretta extreme 2, and browning silver. The most important criteria I used in choosing my gun was first patternability and then fit.
Initially, there are several significant mechanical differences between the browning and Benelli. They have already been mentioned in this thread. Now to discuss patternability:
The browning is backbored to .742 and uses the invector plus choke system. These features created a solid platform for building a gun that would shoot high #s. After a trigger job to 3lbs with no creep and travel, and barrel polishing to mirror finish, I now have a gun that shoots 287 hits in a 10" circle with an Indian creek .675 and nitro 4x5x7s at 40 yards.
Good luck finding a Benelli that will do that with their .710 bores.
guess im lucky. Shooting a SBEII with rhino .660 and nitro 4x5x7 puts up numbers from 270-290 at 40 all day long
Couple hundred dollars to rich for me
I have never shot the Browning but I do own the Benelli SBE2. At the gun shop the SBE2 just felt better to me than the Silver. As far as comparing them shooting, I don't know. As stated they are two completely different designs, gas vs. inertia. Other than feeling better in hand, another selling feature that sold me on the Benelli was that it came with a hard case, 5 choke tubes and I can assemble and disassemble in about 30 seconds. Also the barrel is cryo treated which is supposed to improve patterns, wether it helps or not I can't say but I guess they have some sort of proof to back it up. I have done some patterning with two different chokes with it, the Jellyhead in .660 and a Wrights #3 turkey choke in .650. At 40 with 3 1/2 mag blends with 40 degree temps I got 230 with the Wrights and 200 with the Jellyhead. POA/POI was dead on with the Wrights and the Jellyhead shot about 5" high of POA. I'm going to do some more testing with some Hevi 7's when it warms up. Either gun will get the job done, but it's all about getting your hands on them side by side and deciding which fits you. Good luck with which ever you decide to get!