The ASAT camo thread got me thinking. I started a separate thread so as not to hijack the other post.If we as Hunters are so worried about our camo patterns making us disappear, then why don't more Hunters wear what is supposed to be the most advanced camouflage in the world? The U.S. military digital camo. Not being smart or sarcastic with this post, just an honest question. If digital camo is good enough to hide our soldiers from enemy forces, why shouldn't it be one of our first choices as hunters? Figured this would give us all something to chew on while killing time before turkey season. :lol:
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but its not all that difficult to spot a person wearing digital camo from a distance in quite a few environments.
When hunting I prefer something to break up my outline so as to make me harder to identify.
I think digital is designed for urban enviroments,not wooded.
Yeah, not to be a smart a-- either but Real Tree and Mossy Oak are proven. I sure don't want to be the guy that finds out "it doesn't work" LOL. I'll stay with the sticks and limbs stuff.
As a 10 year Army vet and a very staunch supporter of our troops I can honestly say that just because our military may use it doesn't necessarily mean its the best.
Allow me to add a side note here- I'm not saying it's what I'd use or my first preference for hunting camo. Just thought it would be interesting to get some different views on it.
In my opinion...sitting still and not moving is just as important as any camo and what's wrong with the old style camo that was used for years? I think too many people have bought into a marketing campaign about Realtree and Mossy Oak. If it was that good, why doesn't out Military use it?
The Marines digital camo in woods is outstanding and would bet money your not going to see that at a distance and it was designed to breakup your outline and it does all of that and more. It's that effective.
Quote from: bird on February 02, 2012, 06:35:59 PM
As a 10 year Army vet and a very staunch supporter of our troops I can honestly say that just because our military may use it doesn't necessarily mean its the best.
This is true.
Imo i dont think it matters. I know a ton of guys who kill birds in the old surplus's woodland camo. Ive killed fall birds wearing carharts. I think not moving is the big thing. Also dont use detergent with UV brighteners in it. They pick up on that quick.
Through the years, I've had numerous people ask me what my favorite camo is. I always reply "whichever one is on the clearance rack". :) I've no doubt a camo produced 20 years ago is just as effective as one created this year, but, hey, if they never changed anything, no one would buy anything new until the old was worn out. Right? Neill
Quote from: bird on February 02, 2012, 06:35:59 PM
As a 10 year Army vet and a very staunch supporter of our troops I can honestly say that just because our military may use it doesn't necessarily mean its the best.
Can you say lowest bidder?
Quote from: CASH on February 02, 2012, 08:08:45 PM
Quote from: bird on February 02, 2012, 06:35:59 PM
As a 10 year Army vet and a very staunch supporter of our troops I can honestly say that just because our military may use it doesn't necessarily mean its the best.
Can you say lowest bidder?
:agreed: :toothy12:
Quote from: Neill_Prater on February 02, 2012, 08:02:46 PM
Through the years, I've had numerous people ask me what my favorite camo is. I always reply "whichever one is on the clearance rack". :) I've no doubt a camo produced 20 years ago is just as effective as one created this year, but, hey, if they never changed anything, no one would buy anything new until the old was worn out. Right? Neill
Well Said!
One, you can't really compare a human's eyesight to that of a turkey. Two, the military is more concerned with tactics and operations than about the camo. We, as turkey hunters, should be too. Instead we are conditioned to think that with better camo, calls, blinds and whatever else that we will be more successful turkey hunters. In effect, buying our way into being a better hunter. As it has been said before, just because the military uses it does NOT mean its the best. It works, and how well is soley up to the one using it. All that said, I am kinda partial to Mossy Oak Obsession.
A little more to turkey hunting than camo.market hunters and subsistence hunting proved that by nearly wiping out the existence of the wild turkey.
What kind of camo did they have in the 1800's?
Quote from: Sherrell on February 03, 2012, 07:38:20 AM
A little more to turkey hunting than camo.market hunters and subsistence hunting proved that by nearly wiping out the existence of the wild turkey.
What kind of camo did they have in the 1800's?
I think back then they wore -wait for it - wait for it-
TURKEY SKINZ!!!
Sorry, it's Friday... I couldn't help myself.
Just my 2 cents but I like the old woodland camo and wear it for turkey and dear.
The camo of today is welll advanced and certain patterns work for certain times of the year; I LOVE Mossy Oak camo and use it 99.99% of the time but if one wants to talk military camo NOTHING beats a ghillie suit; those things are scary effective; one can truly "disappear" especially in the spring time of the year; a buddy of mine is a turkey killin' machine and the ghillie suit is the only camo he uses; one time I let him have a 15 minute time period to hide in a very small patch of the woods; he called me on my cell when he was ready and I absolutley went over every spot of that wood patch and never did find him.UNTIL I MADE HIM MOVE; the secret to any hunt, be it turkey, deer, squirrel, or whatever, is to stay as still as humanly possible; those ghillie suits are very effective and that's what I would buy as far as military camo.
As turkey hunters we have a pretty good idea what our hunting environment is going to look like and there's a pattern or two that matches where we hunt. Dark woods, green woods, open prairie, marsh, there's a pattern for it.
The military has to cover every conceivable situation with one or two patterns, basically green or brown. They need a lot more universal pattern than we do.
Quote from: Sherrell on February 03, 2012, 07:38:20 AM
A little more to turkey hunting than camo.market hunters and subsistence hunting proved that by nearly wiping out the existence of the wild turkey.
What kind of camo did they have in the 1800's?
I don't think they had seasons back then other than salt and pepper and no limits as well. Might have also bowed to putting out feed near some bushes possibly.
Now I will admit the ghillie is something I've considered before. I always talk myself out of it in the end though. Seems to be a bit overkill.
The material is more important to me than pattern! Sales are great I look like a bushhog clogged up in my camo patterns combined!
I'm no expert, but I'm guessing that with us being basically predators, and supposedly more intelligent than turkeys, the way we interpret what camo does may well be considerably different than a gobbler, so what might not be effective to us, might work great on a prey animal.
I mean, stop and think about it a minute. If you saw a guy sitting by a tree in plain sight, you would recognize it as a human being, even if he didn't move. Unless you are silhouetted, or move, I don't think a turkey is capable of doing that.
Quote from: CASH on February 02, 2012, 08:08:45 PM
Quote from: bird on February 02, 2012, 06:35:59 PM
As a 10 year Army vet and a very staunch supporter of our troops I can honestly say that just because our military may use it doesn't necessarily mean its the best.
Can you say lowest bidder?
Can you say general officer trying to "leave his mark?"
You could fool a turkey with it. But most of that digital camo is higher priced than hunting camo. I mix and match different brands of camo to blend in to where ever I hunt. Being still is very important for your camo to work. abut a turkey can make you out even with the best camo. The type of fabric camo clothes are made of is very important to how well it works. Leafy wear camo is cool. It give depth to your camo. Mossy Oak Obsession is my favorite but the turkey do not like it cause it gets them killed.
If I remember right, back when the Marines were switching to the digital camo, they were explaining the differences on tv and said hunting camo contains layers of depth which is good for stationary objects, but the digital camo was designed for mobility and to blur or hinder immediate identification by an enemy, allowing that extra split second to run across an opening or fire a shot. Atleast thats what the Marine said. And it's also suppose to blend better at a distance. That's the Marine pattern, I don't know what the Army's grey pattern is suppose to blend into, I guess rocks. Atleast they're assigning multi-cam in Afghanistan now, it looks promising with a blend of both round shapes and digital.
i agree with the hunter who said its more of a sales thing.i do wear mossy oak bottomland.i found for me that the dark brown is best when hunting in the woods.i also use mossy oak new break up around the fields..i think it just makes one feel better being in camo..but you can kill that old boss in blue jeans and a dark tee shirt if u set still.
Quote from: Neill_Prater on February 04, 2012, 11:51:34 PM
I'm no expert, but I'm guessing that with us being basically predators, and supposedly more intelligent than turkeys, the way we interpret what camo does may well be considerably different than a gobbler, so what might not be effective to us, might work great on a prey animal.
I mean, stop and think about it a minute. If you saw a guy sitting by a tree in plain sight, you would recognize it as a human being, even if he didn't move. Unless you are silhouetted, or move, I don't think a turkey is capable of doing that.
I think even then you would be surprised how close you would get before seeing a person unless he had on some bright clothes if he didn't move. Also, I doubt a turkey would have to contemplate what you actually were, they would see something unnatural and take off. Still, if you kept still it would probably be too late. Those old earth tone plaids would work real well I believe.