There was a thread a while back about Hevi-Shot and some of the claims they made regarding pattern density in their advertising. However, that can't hold a candle to the ad they have in the Cabelas catalog I received in today's mail.
On page 26 of the Cabelas Spring Turkey catalog, in the ammo section, they have an illustration advertising Hevi-13 Magnum Blend and Hevi-13 Turkey loads. The illustration shows a hunter shooting a shotgun at a strutting gobbler and the "patterns" represented by different size cones. Now get this, it shows #7 shot, 30 yards, #6 shot, 55 yards, and #5 shot, 75+ yards! It also shows a ringed "target" with concentric rings and the different sized shot in each ring, with #5 being the smallest. I haven't shot that many Magnum Blends, but I'm quite certain not all the #5 shot stay in the middle of the target. Percentage wise, possibly, but this would lead one to believe all the larger shot are concentrated in the extreme center of the pattern.
I honestly believe Hevi-Shot should be called out on this one. Turkey hunters in general, and guys on this board, in particular, have made them a major player in the turkey ammo market, and I feel it is a disservice for them to publish advertising touting 75+ yard kills, when we all know that is totally unrealistic in the woods, not to mention unethical. I am sure some of you will pooh-pooh this, and say that everyone will know better, but in reality, many won't. There is a large percentage of people out there that never shoot at a piece of paper prior to going hunting, and I can guarantee you that there are many, especially beginning hunters, that will see this ad, buy some Magnum Blends, and start blasting at any bird they see less than a football field away.
I'm all for free enterprise, but there should also be some truth in advertising. Promoting shooting at unrealistic distances is harmful to hunting in general, and I feel is totally irresponsible.
I saw that to. Advertising 75+ yard shots is a bad idea IMO
I agree!! :happy0064:
I agree irresponsible and flawed reasoning with regard to shot size.
If you want to shoot 60 and 70 yards Buy a rifle. Calling a bird to the gun is the fun of it.
Quote from: CASH on January 30, 2012, 06:13:47 PM
I saw that to. Advertising 75+ yard shots is a bad idea IMO
I agree, I saw it a little while ago. I just laughed.
i cringed when I saw that lie-o-gram taking up half a page in cabelas catelog... a lot of newbie hunters are going to wound a lot of birds with $5 shells follow that reasoning
Quote from: willy8457 on January 30, 2012, 06:23:09 PM
If you want to shoot 60 and 70 yards Buy a rifle. Calling a bird to the gun is the fun of it.
:z-winnersmiley:
I have been hunting turkeys for only four years, and believe me, as a newb you buy into a lot of the advertising hype. Your easily suscepatable to advertising gimmicks.
This forum has proven how deadly Hevi-Shot is, but I believe that we ALL agree that the company touting a 75 yd kill is outta line and Hevi-Shot needs to be called out on it.
Not one of us, i believe, would take that kind of shot or encourage anyone else to.
The reason why I like this forum is that eventhough there may be differences in opinion about trivial things, the one thing we all agree on is making sure that we hunt ethically and continue to bring respect to this sport. I have learned so much here that it is unreal.
Let's call their hand on it if we have to. They have e-mail addresses I am sure......
I cannot believe after all they have seen from our forum and from the difficulty in getting folks to change from lead that they would even think this would be ok to print. This has to come from those that don't hunt.
I'm just as upset that you all have your Cabela's Spring Turkey catalog and I don't!!
for them to advertise 75 yards is questionable,even though most people that shoot hevi will claim that their gun will do 75 yds. The biggest problem that I have is the price of the shells. In all honesty for what they cost they should stone turkeys at 80 yards all day long.
Quote from: coyotetrpr on January 30, 2012, 10:54:44 PM
for them to advertise 75 yards is questionable,even though most people that shoot hevi will claim that their gun will do 75 yds. The biggest problem that I have is the price of the shells. In all honesty for what they cost they should stone turkeys at 80 yards all day long.
Care to back this up with some facts?
I shoot Hevi shot, and never have made any claims to it shooting 75 yards, nor do I recall reading anybody here making any claims to it shooting 75 yards.
God Bless,
David B.
Yeah I seen that as well, my first impression was "DANG" might have to try these out for those birds that hang up
Quote from: BOFF on January 30, 2012, 11:48:37 PM
Quote from: coyotetrpr on January 30, 2012, 10:54:44 PM
for them to advertise 75 yards is questionable,even though most people that shoot hevi will claim that their gun will do 75 yds. The biggest problem that I have is the price of the shells. In all honesty for what they cost they should stone turkeys at 80 yards all day long.
Care to back this up with some facts?
I shoot Hevi shot, and never have made any claims to it shooting 75 yards, nor do I recall reading anybody here making any claims to it shooting 75 yards.
God Bless,
David B.
Exactly. "Most" here care enough to know exactly what their setup will do at any distance they might take a shot and I haven't seen any claims of 75 yard effectiveness, especially with low pellet counts of Hevi 5's.
I'm happy to see that others think like I do. The ad gives the impression that the #5's in the mix shoot almost like a rifle, and we all know that isn't true. I have no doubt a #5 Hevi pellet would dispatch a gobbler at 75 yards, IF one hit exactly the right spot. I've known people back when lead was king, that wouldn't hesitate to sling shot at 60 yards hoping they would get "lucky", so I've no doubt this ad would make a novice think he could do the same thing at 100 yards.
I wish one of you guys that shoot the blends and has a fine-tuned rig would do a test target at 75 yards and see just what the actual pellet count is, especially of the larger #5's. I don't have as tight shooting a combo as many, got around 190 at 40 with the blends, but I shot the same combo at 50 and got a pellet count of 94, already getting marginal, so I'm guessing at 60 yds, the pellet count would be less than 50.
82 yds, stone cold ded, tell me ti ain't some bad stuff
Show me your 82 yard pattern and you will see that is irresponsible.
This isn't new. When Remington first started promoting their hevi loads the ad read "that bird that was out of range last season won't be this year - you're shooting hevi shot". Not going to be an exact quote of the ad but pretty close. It was a big reason I didn't jump on the hevi bandwagon. I started using hevi style loads when it was rumored the federally control areas I hunted were going to require no-tox shot. I knew steel was a bad option.
Quote from: drenalinld on January 31, 2012, 10:49:42 AM
Show me your 82 yard pattern and you will see that is irresponsible.
HOOK, LINE, & SINKER :z-winnersmiley: :z-winnersmiley:
but I did go to the Mag Blends last year after changing guns and not getting my patterns out of my Federals that I had, they did pattern very well, I will state that I did have one kill at 63yds, but hope not to have to do it again
Like i said if you want to kill turkeys over 50 buy i rifle, and to me that makes you a turkey killer not a turkey hunter. Calling one to the gun is what it's all about, fooling him in to coming in to the call watching him do his dance And making him hunt you is the fun of it. Anybody could sit on field edges and shoot them with a rifle. and if he don't come to me today there's always tomorrow. Everybody want's to get a long beard , But that's not why I do it.
I've never picked my gun up and aimed it at a turkey at 75 yds. but I'm thinking the bead on my barrel would just about cover up the whole turkey.
Quote from: mountman62 on January 31, 2012, 12:32:29 PM
Quote from: drenalinld on January 31, 2012, 10:49:42 AM
Show me your 82 yard pattern and you will see that is irresponsible.
HOOK, LINE, & SINKER :z-winnersmiley: :z-winnersmiley:
but I did go to the Mag Blends last year after changing guns and not getting my patterns out of my Federals that I had, they did pattern very well, I will state that I did have one kill at 63yds, but hope not to have to do it again
You got me. I know it can happen but averages are against it. 20 years ago I watched a guy drop a gobbler with 3" lead #4's out of an 1100 with a modified barrel at 91 of my long steps and I am 6' 4". Successful but very irresponsible.
Glad you were teasing.
Maybe they should reduce there advertising by half, and in return, cut there shell price in half. :smiley-patriotic-flagwaver-an
I just wanted to mention I went to the Hevi-Shot website, and sent them an email regarding this advertisement. If I don't get an adequate response, I plan to also draft a letter, sending it to their snail mail address. I'm hoping that several of you will do likewise, as I really feel the company was irresponsible in placing this ad.
I'll let you know what type of response I receive. Neill
that's just poor advertising. :(
The same ad shows the #7's only good for 30 yards. :TooFunny:
It is what people want. Just like the ballestic reticles that let you shoot out to 300 yards with not practice. Just put the circle on the target and yank