Ok, I'm bored again. Two part question. Between hunting, tv, Youtube ect.
1. Which call do you hear butchered more than any other. I'm talking yelp, cutt, purr ect. I think the most butchered that I hear every year is the cutt. Seems like a lot of folks have no idea what a cutt should sound like.
2. Which caller is the most butchered. I mean diaphram, box, pot ect. I'd have to say the diaphram. I hear some funny stuff coming from a mouth call sometimes.
Ok, three part question.
3. Would you tell a hunting partner if they sound horrible? The only people I tell that they sound awful are the ones who are good. The others are to entertaining for me to tell them.
1. The only call I hear butchered is the yelp especially when the person is starting to learn it. They either hold the striker wrong, even if I show them a hundred times how to hold it. Then they'll run it like a girl (no offense ladies) like they're afraid to put a little pressure on it.
2. Pot call
3. Now you have me thinking on this one. My best friend is one of the best callers I know and when I get to calling around him with a diaphram he always says that sounds good, but now I wonder. :TooFunny:
1) I will go with yelp. Seems that's the only call most use
2) slate
3) hell yes. It's been to the point were I have told a friend don't bring ur calls.
Probably some dude with a diaphram on the outside of his teeth trying to gobble. LOL!!!
heard some guy opening morning here in bama using a owl call in the national forest. he keep squaking on it up till 700 am or so till i left. i went around to see if i could find him next to his truck, i knew which road he was parked on. but he was gone. i was going to tell him to let me see the call and i was going to break it in two or show him how to use it right. it got to the point it was down right funny
scott
I hear the yelp butchered the most with a diaphragm. I won't tell most of my partners they sound bad but I will tell them they are calling too much or too loud.
I think the mouth call is the most butchered. Most guys can make a pot and box sound decent if they practice a little. But most people think that if they can make a little noise with a mouth call they can use it to call a turkey. Most of the time is because everybody uses them and you can't kill a turkey unless you use a mouth call.
I've been the "caller" with the guys I hunt with since the 80's. I encourage most of the hunters I hunt with to call. But I will tell them if they sound bad.
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i have to go with the yelp cause i butcher it up pretty bad sometimes myself for me to really make good yelps i have to concentrate a little and like guesswho i think i have a touch of ADHD
most of the guys i hunt with and hear call are way better than me on most calls the call i butcher up most the new anodized aluminum pot caller i got awhile back but im working on it and can call decent with other pot calls
my hunting pard. wont tell me if i sound bad but if he sounds bad i look at funny atleast thats what i been told
I think that mouth calls are butchered more than any other. They are by far my worst call, only because I haven't tried to butcher a trumpet yet! :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
I think box and slates are by far the easiest to run, but I agree with Ronnie. I think guys go way to hard when they run their cutts on any call. I only get aggressive with my cutting when I'm engaging a hen that has a tom with her, and I want to get her to bring the tom closer.
1. The yelp
2. The diaphram
3. Hell Yes, Im not gonna have bad calling ruin the hunt if your with me.
The purr.
The diaphragm mouth call.
Absolutely, I will tell a guy his calling stinks. No need to ruin a hunt because the perp chased the birds away. I would then do the calling and try to help him out after we were done..Nobody is good from the get go. And it is much different calling to a real bird, than calling to yourself.
Quote from: Hognutz on December 31, 2011, 12:09:47 PM
The purr.
The diaphragm mouth call.
Absolutely, I will tell a guy his calling stinks. No need to ruin a hunt because the perp chased the birds away. I would then do the calling and try to help him out after we were done..Nobody is good from the get go. And it is much different calling to a real bird, than calling to yourself.
I do not have anyone local to practice with so I listen to callers from this site on line to practice with.
For me
The yelp
any mouth call on my part for now.
Yes I tell my self I need more practice
But with a Gaskins call I did trick some turkeys to come in on a ridge so the practice must have helped.
For some reason nothing spells pack up and move the other direction than a guy with a box call doing fly down cackles and cutting {badly} on a early spring morning - sometimes the calling resembles a coot { not kidding} more than anything - If some of these guys would take the time to listen to some audio tapes they would be much more effective in the woods with that same call
I have found out that getting as much distance away from these fools is the best way to kill a gobbler
But back to the cutting , it is one of my favorite calls to use , I do very high pitch cutting on a tight/thick diaphragm - and it does sometimes get them fired up good and plenty - If you have ever heard a real gobbler fight in the woods , you will hear them doing the fighting rattle as they go at it , and the hens around them will be cutting real fast - I try to mimic this scenario while hunting and it pays off consistently - Cutting if done right is a good thing
Good topic guesswho!
1. If a caller butchers a yelp on a mouth call then they are likely butchering every other call they try to make. I think there are some callers who can make some fine yelps, purrs, clucks and kee-kees but when they cutt it sounds more like a squirrel than a turkey. To me, cutting is a broken sequence with highs and lows and not a rhythmic series of fast monotone clucks. It drives me crazy to hear the sounds of a squirrel when someone tries to cutt on a mouth call.
2. With some calls, either you can run them or you can't i.e. mouth call, trumpet, tube call. The one that everyone should be able to use better than they do is the pot call.
3. I would rather help someone try to sound better on whatever call they are using than tell them they sound bad. I've heard some turkeys that sounded pretty bad too.
That's the thing about callin' turkeys. You don't have to be a pro to get some of them to come to a call. It's all good.. :icon_thumright:
I have heard some really bad box calling in the woods,
But I want speak to much about how butcherd some guys calling is since I can do a bang up job of butchering a call myself, I know this cause my hunting buddy always gives me this funny look everytime I run a mouth call, box or my pot. :-[
I have heard some really, really bad calls from REAL wild turkeys! :lol: IMO the plain old yelp gets butchered the most by turkey hunters using mouth calls.
1. Cutting- its individual notes- not a constant up and down.
2. Diaphram
3. Unless it's really really horrible I'll keep quiet. But usually its assumed I do the calling when I go with someone.
1) all
2) mouth call
3) yes, I typically do the calling unless with someone better and then I'll stay quiet.
1) All calls equally as butchered
2) Diaphragm (on this particular hunt)
3) I tried to be subtle, but he didn't get it.
I was invited to hunt with a guy after a charity hunt last year. He bragged about how he had heard birds all over the property just a few days before and what a great place it was. I began to be suspicious when we sat in a treeline with chest high grass in front of us. I placed the decoys at about 20 yards, but was unable to see them when we sat down. It gets worse. The "'guide" talked to me and the other hunter as if we were in a crowded room LOUD. Within a few minutes after sun-up, I was already wishing I had stayed in bed. He was proud of his new "mouth call" as he said he broke his slate call... another bad sign. About time for fly-down, our "guide" started "cutting" as if he were trying to get the attention of some zombie bird half mile away. I could only close my eyes and think to myself "no... please, no..." He could get louder when the birds didn't respond... I don't know why they wouldn't respond... Well, no birds in the first 45 minutes of calling like some kind of wacked out hen on crack, so we moved our setup. We walked through the woods listening to him tell of "inventions" that he had come up with over the years... OMG! We sat down in a place that just looked "turkey" if you know what I mean. We were near a creek bank with a view of an open wheat field just inches high across the creek. The incessant cutting of the "crack hen" started up almost as soon as we sat down. I had tried to call on my friction calls when he was between breaths, hoping against hope that he would try to call a bit softer, a bit less frequently and with sounds that somewhat resembled a turkey. NO DICE. He had his routine down and he was going full bore. For awhile I sat behind a large tree out of sight of him and pounded my head with one of my strikers trying to distract myself from the noise coming from a few yards away. That wasn't working either. I motioned that I was going to slip across the creek and up an incline to look across another field. I must say, by this time I was almost hoping I might slip in the mud, fall face first and drown in the calf high water... but I made it across safely. I got to a place where I had a huge dead cottonwood behind me that blocked any view between he and I. I think I prayed for a sudden downpour or something so we could head back to the lodge. I did see a hen skirt the edge of the field out of their sight, so there was some redeeming qualities of the morning, but alas, no turkeys were harmed in this adventure. I was ever so grateful that we had to be back by 9AM to get cleaned up and ready for church (Sunday morning hunt). I don't think we all would have returned alive if we had been hunting until noon. ;D
1. the kee-kee run
2. mouth call
3. yes, I would tell someone and hope someone would tell me.
My goal is to kill turkeys and not ruin my valuable time in the woods.
On numerous occasions I've gotten really mad at an imagined hunter calling badly, ie. too loudly, too much, and w/ a bad cadence, only to have a real hen or jake walk in. Most turkey callers who use a diaphram badly, unlike an idiot with a box call, don't call incessantly. I've encountered too many horrible callers with a box call that walk through the woods scratching, scraping, and dragging on it without pause to even listen for a response. I was telling an old turkey hunting friend about a totally inept, and I use the term loosely, hunter that I encountered on private property, where he didn't have permission to trespass, walking and wailing on a box call. My friend commented, "I hope you ran him off, but didn't say anything critical about his calling abilities or educate him about any aspects of turkey hunting." Enough said!!
1. From what I've heard, it's a close race between the yelp and cutting. While calling doesn't have to be competition quality to kill turkeys I would say the most used, so therefore butchered is the yelp. "YO YO YO YO YO YO...."
2. Hunting predominately public land, I would say it's also a close race between types of calls. I have heard some really bad calling, that usually consists of being too loud and too often. I would rank from the worst to not very good... diaphragm, pot, and box.
Even if hearing someone fairly proficient on a call, it's rare that I can't distinguish it as a hunter. I know it's debatable for some comparing box calls and pot calls, but I think the easiest to master and sound "true turkey" on is a good box call. Second, pot calls are the next easiest to master, and mouth calls ranking the hardest between the three. Now, that would change if considering tube calls
and trumpet calls.
3. The few guys I routinely hunt with most of the time can call very well, and most others don't do much of the calling, if any. If they do and it's bad, I'll usually just suggest we keep the calling at a minimum. Guess it depends on the circumstances of the hunt.