How many shot 3" in their 3.5"? What the difference in the results?
I shot 3" shells in mossberg 835 this past spring . Reason-gun is light and kicks like a mule. I sighted it in with low powered scope and then used my 11-87 with 3.5" to kill 2 birds in Maryland.
Just too much recoil for me.
Before anyone gets on me, I'm 65 next month, I shoot 3 different muzzleloaders, savage tc 50 cal, and tc 45 cal. Also have over 300 slugs this year with mu USH-- ultra slug hunter-12 ga. using hand loaded lightfields, Sabot Pressure wad slugs(hastings components) and Lymans slugs.
I also shoot Marlin 1894 in 44 mag, and tc 44 mag pistol, tc 357 maximum pistol and 2 muzzleloader pistols-45 and 50 cal. The Mossberg with 3.5 shells with Black Cloud hurt too.
In spite of that I still like the gun a lot.
3" mag blends 6 and 7 shot. 3 dead turkeys. I use the 835 and have a Sims limbsaver on it so for "me" the recoil is not an issue and I do carry #6 HM in 3.5 but I have not seen a need for it yet. I bought the 835 as I can shoot 2 3/4 for upland and 3.5 for geese if I want to. On the recoil I have yet to see anyone at the pattern board that does not feel the same recoil as I do on the 835 against their shotgun as the rounds do have some kick to them. Good luck and have fun it is your choice.
According to my calculations there is only about 55 shot between a 2 oz and 1.75 oz #6
I have one of those mule kickers too. BUT I don't shoot anymore. I keep for those people that say "There ai'nt no gun that kicks like my rifle"
From what I've read the best way to make a shotgun more effective is to get a bigger one
your can only push the limits of a 410,32,28,24,20,16,14,12,10, & 8gauge so far lol .
Quote from: gobblingghost on November 18, 2011, 08:19:48 PM
According to my calculations there is only about 55 shot between a 2 oz and 1.75 oz #6
I have one of those mule kickers too. BUT I don't shoot anymore. I keep for those people that say "There ai'nt no gun that kicks like my rifle"
I hear that. Don't talk about a .300 unless you've shot a hot 3.5" turkey load..I shot mossbergs for years and still take out from time to time. My go to's are an 870 spst and browning 10's. I shoot the 10s for max performance without as much recoil.
Agreed on the 10ga I never use feild loads even fir my rabbit and squirrel so I just went with the 10 ga
Quote from: gobblingghost on November 18, 2011, 05:39:44 PM
How many shot 3" in their 3.5"? What the difference in the results?
The results theoretically speaking is .... 12.5% in payload/ performance if the two comparative turkey guns shoot identically efficient
The extra .25 ounce of payload ,
if you can get that load to shoot efficiently , and although most of the serious members here that shoot the 3.5/12 are able to find that magic combo by trial and error or by having the nice folks on here pass on the information ...thus saving you $$
The extra .25 ounce of payload makes the pressure{= recoil} go right through the sky , that's why everyone here that owns one, that is shooting full 2.25 loads will let you know of its stout recoil -
Some made mention of the Mossberg's and I can tell you that to me they kick me harder than my 10 gauge auto -I am not familiar with the newer Mossbergs but the one I owned , had a horrible recoil pad - I have a 3.5 Bennelli Nova with a limbsaver and it kicks much less than my old Mossberg - I think the difference is not the gun but the recoil pad
But if it shoots tight and hard , to most it is worth the effort to own a 3.5 - If a person is looking for a turkey gun and is weighing the options , most would recommend that you purchase the 3.5 , besides you can always make the choice to shoot 3 inchers if it suits your needs
Quote from: Old Gobbler on November 19, 2011, 12:56:46 PM
Quote from: gobblingghost on November 18, 2011, 05:39:44 PM
How many shot 3" in their 3.5"? What the difference in the results?
The results theoretically speaking is .... 12.5% in payload/ performance if the two comparative turkey guns shoot identically efficient
The extra .25 ounce of payload , if you can get that load to shoot efficiently , and although most of the serious members here that shoot the 3.5/12 are able to find that magic combo by trial and error or by having the nice folks on here pass on the information ...thus saving you $$
The extra .25 ounce of payload makes the pressure{= recoil} go right through the sky , that's why everyone here that owns one, that is shooting full 2.25 loads will let you know of its stout recoil -
Some made mention of the Mossberg's and I can tell you that to me they kick me harder than my 10 gauge auto -I am not familiar with the newer Mossbergs but the one I owned , had a horrible recoil pad - I have a 3.5 Bennelli Nova with a limbsaver and it kicks much less than my old Mossberg - I think the difference is not the gun but the recoil pad
But if it shoots tight and hard , to most it is worth the effort to own a 3.5 - If a person is looking for a turkey gun and is weighing the options , most would recommend that you purchase the 3.5 , besides you can always make the choice to shoot 3 inchers if it suits your needs
I have to agree, my 835 and my friends Bennelli shooting side by side as far as recoil goes is the same. The pad does make the difference in "felt" recoil. Good post.
i wont lie i let a good (brother) deal on a moss. 835 go because the felt recoil was just too much. i shot it one time and put it down with a 3in turkey load .
in the guns defense at the time i had no knowlege of the new high tech recoil pads at the time wish i had known
call me a weenie but that thing hurt
Quote from: gob09 on November 19, 2011, 05:49:56 PM
i wont lie i let a good (brother) deal on a moss. 835 go because the felt recoil was just too much. i shot it one time and put it down with a 3in turkey load .
in the guns defense at the time i had no knowlege of the new high tech recoil pads at the time wish i had known
call me a weenie but that thing hurt
I agree with you. They do kick like a mule, but the limbsaver pad takes alot of the sting out of them.
I also find that shooting them out of my gobblelounger seems to help. I find that when I'm shooting in a comfortable position, that also seems to help.
shot mine out of a gobbler lounger today and loved it im gettin one for sure
I was digging trough my supply of differeny shells and I found a box of Winchester extended range #6 in a 3". Time to burn some shells and see just what they wil do.
i liked them last year i just did'nt have any to shoot this weekend what are you shooting them out of
Benelli SBE
I finally got a Knoxx recoil reducing stock for my 835 for the 2.25 oz hevi-shot loads. I really dont feel recoil in the field, but I like to tinker with chokes and shot sizes. Stock, the 835 is the hardest kicking firearm I have ever shot, but after installing the knoxx it is really no big deal to pattern 10-15 rounds at a time. If the knoxx didnt work I was headed to 3" shells.
I doubt the extra .25oz of shot makes any practical difference in most hunting situations, but why not use it if you can? The worst thing that can happen is for you to develop a flinch-so be sure to find your acceptable limit for recoil.
never feel the recoil shooting at a bird,so I sling all the pellets that the gun is capable of at them
3.5" for me. I want all the payload I can get.
Quote from: goblr77 on November 26, 2011, 11:31:14 AM
3.5" for me. I want all the payload I can get.
Same here. The tradeoff is more than worth it to me.
On the plus side, shooting my 3.5 Mossberg has made me a better shooter overall. If you can handle the recoil from those guns, sighting in your avg. deer rifle is a piece of cake.
I must not be the norm as far as perceived recoil. I do not think the 835 recoils harder than most other shotguns. Point of fact, I was patterning my turkey guns 2 springs ago (An 835 (thumbhole stock, a remmy 870 express magsureshot stock, a buddy's older mossy 500 (field stock) and the old man's 835 (field stock)). All the barrels are 23/24" with ported chokes btw. I was patterning the original Federal 3" Premium PB #5s (no FC wad) and shooting the 835s, both of which have stock recoil pads (ventilated black). The 835s were a pleasure to shoot compared to when I touched off the 870! It was like getting hit in the face with a 2x4!! I kept this to my self and let 3 other guys shoot the same loads in the same guns and all three were simply shocked at how much worse the recoil was in the 870. I have shot .50 cal rifles i the military and for fun that didn't kick like that dang 870 did! To me, the ported barrel, almost non-existant forcing cone and over-bore barrel do A LOT to reduce the felt recoil of any round in the 835 when compared to virtually any other equivilant weight shotgun shoot the same load. When you go to those "tactical", M-4 style stocks you are almost ASKING for more recoil...in any gun. They dont have the correct fit, drop or cast to be used with heavy recoiling turkey loads in shotguns. Sure they're light and "adjustable" but what you save in weight, come with a price and that is RECOIL. I challange anyone out there to shoot an 870 with the same load/choke and then shoot my 835 and still tell me the 835 kicks more...
im not sayin its not true in my experience the 835 recoiled harder than anything i ever shot in my exrerience
Beretta urika 3/2/7's. 250 in a 10 @ 40yds
Beretta xtrema 3.5/2.25/7's 300 in a 10 @ 40yds
*recoil not an issue
Quote from: Old Gobbler on November 19, 2011, 12:56:46 PM
Quote from: gobblingghost on November 18, 2011, 05:39:44 PM
How many shot 3" in their 3.5"? What the difference in the results?
The results theoretically speaking is .... 12.5% in payload/ performance if the two comparative turkey guns shoot identically efficient
The extra .25 ounce of payload , if you can get that load to shoot efficiently , and although most of the serious members here that shoot the 3.5/12 are able to find that magic combo by trial and error or by having the nice folks on here pass on the information ...thus saving you $$
The extra .25 ounce of payload makes the pressure{= recoil} go right through the sky , that's why everyone here that owns one, that is shooting full 2.25 loads will let you know of its stout recoil -
Some made mention of the Mossberg's and I can tell you that to me they kick me harder than my 10 gauge auto -I am not familiar with the newer Mossbergs but the one I owned , had a horrible recoil pad - I have a 3.5 Bennelli Nova with a limbsaver and it kicks much less than my old Mossberg - I think the difference is not the gun but the recoil pad
But if it shoots tight and hard , to most it is worth the effort to own a 3.5 - If a person is looking for a turkey gun and is weighing the options , most would recommend that you purchase the 3.5 , besides you can always make the choice to shoot 3 inchers if it suits your needs
You can't state it any better than that.
Well said Shannon!
It's very true about the Moss 835 production recoil pad. That's why they hurt so much after you shoot a 3.5" turkey load. It's not a gun thing. Any 3.5 shotgun that isn't a gas operated gun is going to kick hard. Heck even the 3.5" gas operated semis kick when shooting these shells.
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But if it shoots tight and hard , to most it is worth the effort to own a 3.5 - If a person is looking for a turkey gun and is weighing the options , most would recommend that you purchase the 3.5 , besides you can always make the choice to shoot 3 inchers if it suits your needs
You can't state it any better than that.
Well said Shannon!
It's very true about the Moss 835 production recoil pad. That's why they hurt so much after you shoot a 3.5" turkey load. It's not a gun thing. Any 3.5 shotgun that isn't a gas operated gun is going to kick hard. Heck even the 3.5" gas operated semis kick when shooting these shells.
Now that is a real statement and I have to agree with you the shells kick hard in any gun.
Guys these 3.5" turkey loads kick quite a bit harder than a 458Win Mag elephant gun just so you know. Anytime you push 2.25oz of lead at around 1100fps your going to feel the thump. There is a direct correlation between the weight of a payload being pushed and the amount of force felt to the shooters shoulder. In other words, it takes more powder to push a heavier load 2.25oz load as it would to push a 1.75 or 2oz load. Not only that but the heavier the object(payload) being pushed the more it resist so to speak the explosion of the powder ignition thus pushing more recoil back to the shooters shoulder. That's why on centerfire bullets the heavier bullets will actually have more felt recoil. And also while I am at it I would like to point out a lighter gun will kick harder than a heavier gun. So actually with a good recoil pad like a Simms the Moss 835 will kick less than the lighter guns shooting these 3.5" turkey loads. So if your going to shoot a 3.5" turkey load, just suck it up and enjoy the pain. :z-guntootsmiley:
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on November 28, 2011, 01:54:57 PM
Guys these 3.5" turkey loads kick quite a bit harder than a 458Win Mag elephant gun just so you know. Anytime you push 2.25oz of lead at around 1100fps your going to feel the thump. There is a direct correlation between the weight of a payload being pushed and the amount of force felt to the shooters shoulder. In other words, it takes more powder to push a heavier load 2.25oz load as it would to push a 1.75 or 2oz load. Not only that but the heavier the object(payload) being pushed the more it resist so to speak the explosion of the powder ignition thus pushing more recoil back to the shooters shoulder. That's why on centerfire bullets the heavier bullets will actually have more felt recoil. And also while I am at it I would like to point out a lighter gun will kick harder than a heavier gun. So actually with a good recoil pad like a Simms the Moss 835 will kick less than the lighter guns shooting these 3.5" turkey loads. So if your going to shoot a 3.5" turkey load, just suck it up and enjoy the pain. :z-guntootsmiley:
:agreed: The factory pad on the 835 is worthless, first thing I bought for mine was a Simms pad. This past spring I switched to shooting 3.5" loads and found out that I also needed a Butler Creek comb raising kit because I felt like i got punched in the face after shooting the Hevi 3.5" 6's and 7's while patterning my gun. Put it on shot the gun again and any worries about the cheek slap (punch) were resolved. I can shoot the 835 all the live long day now without discomfort. I really think that Mossberg must translate to "kicks like a mule" because my 500 with the factory pad shooting 3" shells absolutely sucked.
If you like to pattern, pattern, pattern with turkey guns and chokes regardless of the gun or shell..a lead sled makes it so much better. You can stay focused on dialing in your pattern and not the felt recoil. You wont feel it in the field for the most part but that sore shoulder may have more of an effect on your hunting than thought.
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alright mark..whats the results? i still think 3.5. set one gun up for turkeys and keep it ready..unless you like me and like to shoot a lot and try stuff :z-guntootsmiley:.
Quote from: gobbler74 on November 28, 2011, 08:02:21 PM
If you like to pattern, pattern, pattern with turkey guns and chokes regardless of the gun or shell..a lead sled makes it so much better. You can stay focused on dialing in your pattern and not the felt recoil. You wont feel it in the field for the most part but that sore shoulder may have more of an effect on your hunting than thought.
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Well I can tell you this if you shot a lead sled with a scoped shotgun it can tear up your mount. I busted 2 B square mounts. Now B square made it good. I sent B square my mount back they were interested in trying find out what happened. I know its not they way it was mounted because it had been on the gun for about three years
Unless you're hunting geese with Steel Shot, I just don't see the need for 3.5" 12 gauge shells.
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Quote from: gobblingghost on November 29, 2011, 10:16:31 PM
Quote from: gobbler74 on November 28, 2011, 08:02:21 PM
If you like to pattern, pattern, pattern with turkey guns and chokes regardless of the gun or shell..a lead sled makes it so much better. You can stay focused on dialing in your pattern and not the felt recoil. You wont feel it in the field for the most part but that sore shoulder may have more of an effect on your hunting than thought.
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee288/gobbler74/gun%20pics/IMG_0395_1.jpg)
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee288/gobbler74/IMG_0400_1.jpg)
Well I can tell you this if you shot a lead sled with a scoped shotgun it can tear up your mount. I busted 2 B square mounts. Now B square made it good. I sent B square my mount back they were interested in trying find out what happened. I know its not they way it was mounted because it had been on the gun for about three years
We never use more than 15-16 lbs. Works fine doesn't hurt the scopes and my 12 year old nephew enjoys shooting the 10 ga with nitros. I have seen trouble when folks used 2- 25 lb shot bags. The gun has got to give.