Here is a promo from new products for 2012. I heard december last time around.. This stuff shoots great. I was able to fire a couple test boxes in a couple chokes awhile back. This is one load I'm actually looking forward to seeing in production :anim_25:
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They need to get it out on the market. I hope that they don't drag their feet... :z-guntootsmiley:
Geez, I wish they would hurry up. I have a pile of basspro points that I am waiting to use :toothy12:
Quote from: Basser69 on November 14, 2011, 03:54:53 PM
Geez, I wish they would hurry up. I have a pile of basspro points that I am waiting to use :toothy12:
I started a cabelas points club awhile back. I just wonder if those places will carry them. It all depends on the vendors. Id say midsouth will be a strong supplier. You guys can send some emails their way and start requesting it..thats the only way they will get an idea to stock up. Remember the first year EM made the 12 ga 7's? most places sold out due to lack of vendor orders. EM has pallets of the stuff for sale but the vendors dropped the ball. They were thinking like most places "that 4's, 5'S and 6's would be the usual.
Im going to load up on some of those when they hit the streets , you have to be cautious with this hard to get items like 10 gauge , so if they shoot well for you buy{hoard} up as much as you can - you never know ....
I really don't see any other ammo maker other than nitro or EM ever making a serious turkey load ever in the future -
I can't wait to get my hands on that stuff!!!
Quote from: Old Gobbler on November 14, 2011, 10:14:31 PM
Im going to load up on some of those when they hit the streets , you have to be cautious with this hard to g
et items like 10 gauge , so if they shoot well for you buy{hoard} up as much as you can - you never know ....
I really don't see any other ammo maker other than nitro or EM ever making a serious turkey load ever in the future -
What would be a serious 10ga turkey load? More payload or velocity? I have got good clean kills with the remington p10hm4. I havnt pattern those but they hit hard. I wish winchester would have made the xtended range in 10ga
Speed, weight of pellet and total payload combined with pattern performance is basically the recipe for a turkey load in my opinion. Its hard to say whats the best. Debate over how loads perform in one gun to the next, affordability and availability all play a part and really is a part of why we talk about it on forums. The best one can do to get the pattern they are happy with is up to them. Using all the above also plays a factor in knowing your shotgun and its effective range. Some shoot lead, some shoot hevi, tss, As long as we shoot in our guns effective range is all that matters. Maybe 1 turkey in 10 the last few years Ive killed I would have doubted if I could have taken it with a 20 ga. I carry a 12 and 10 most of the time.
If you were 1500 miles from home on the last day of a week long hard hunt with no chance yet to get in position until one opportunity arises, An old leary gobbler raises his head at 50 yards gives you that look, would you be satisfied with a standard light load from a stock gun not knowing its performance or rather send all you had in your means to put him over your shoulder. Taking our shots inside 20 yards is what we all work for but it just dont work out like that all the time. I think hevi shot in whatever form is just a more effective killing tool than the shells of years past. The most important tools are the hunters skill in the woods and making the decision not to wound or taking a desparation shot.
Lol I meant like what would
Be a serious 10 ga shell have to do to have a real gain over the 12 ga 3.5 in both lead and grl?
Quote from: LBSS on November 15, 2011, 08:51:19 PM
Be a serious 10 ga shell have to do to have a real gain over the 12 ga 3.5 in both lead and grl?
same speed or faster, heaver payload with equal or denser pellets.. Only way to get that now is hevi shot. Lead 10 ga loads have hardly any advantage. I believe the bore does help but Mossberg figured that out too, thats why the 835 is near a 10 ga bore and the patterns are so good from those. If tss were at a production level for a 10 ga...well I know what I'd shoot ;) Id like to see a 2-1/4 oz load of HW from federal but dont know how and keep it at 1300.
I bought some federal HW # 4'S for 12 ga 50% off a case last year..thats a great shell for geese or predator in a combo. Its comes in around 1450fps lighter load than a turkey shell but man that stuff dont play on the business end. Fed makes it in a 2 oz load for the 10 in #2's as well at 1300 fps..A fella could use that on pretty much anything he had to in a pinch.
Quote from: LBSS on November 15, 2011, 08:51:19 PM
Be a serious 10 ga shell have to do to have a real gain over the 12 ga 3.5 in both lead and grl?
I'm referring to a 10gauge equivalent of what some of the companies offer with a modern HTL offering - A example would be Winchesters Elite load or the EM magnum blend load {soon to be offered }
I know some of us have no problem with using what has worked well in the past , that's fine if your satisfied with what you use and it works for your needs -
I look for Win Elite to make a move for newer shells but dont know about for 10...
Now to blow all our minds... Remington has been dead in the water for the last 5 years. Id like to see them step up and put down some new stuff.
Its funny since win made the 3.5" 10 ga. I mean I don't want a blindside 10 ga load but the xtended range would be fun. And as far a remington I doubt it. They just discontinued their wimgmaster hd.
I've seen loading data fir tungsten matrix for the 10ga don't know if it would make good turkey shotbor not I think its the same density as lead. Soft to a for tight chokes. Its about near endless the stuff you can load in a shotshell nowb what you load to effectiveness is another story
Remington - has simply ignored turkey hunting as a whole for a long time - prior to the hevi shot agreement there last dabbling in turkey loads was the Duplex loads
Federal - has a bad case of the " flightwads" and from what I can gather they are under the impression the flightwad is the cure-all from everything from ducks, geese and turkeys too -
Winchester has some good loads but need to get some 20 and 10 gauge loads for production , they would do well with introducing some #7 loads in what they offer right now
Kent - has a matrix waterfowl load I don't know too much about , if ever offered in 12gg and #6-7 and was matched up with the right wad and powder they could have potential in the turkey biz- they have a marix in #5 , they need to step it up with denser loads with smaller sizes ---Kent is a smaller company that produces some very good quality waterfowl loads - somewhere in there history there was a affiliation with activ- remember those 2.25 active nickel loads in the all plastic hull - those were hot stuff back in the day - anyway I think people should mass email Kent to get them to make a good turkey load -- smaller companies tend to listen to the customer better - thats how you grow
http://www.kentgamebore.com/tungsten_matrix_waterfowl.asp
http://www.kentgamebore.com/tungsten_matrix_high_performance.asp
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I fooled with fiocchi years ago...I tell you what. Dont know why they dont experiment with wads and such..that 3.5 "12 ga load is 2-3/8 oz of nickelplated lead..and its not bad at 40...especially at 9.99 for 10 shells. It doesnt pattern have as well as it recoils though. thats probably the worst I have shot aside from the original H517 but its all in the numbers..what goes out the barrel is coming towards the stock as far as recoil goes. They use no buffer so guess that how they get the 2-3/8 oz in it but it still has great velocity.
Fiocchi always had some fast loads even back in the day -Sadly I never had any luck getting them to shoot tight
Quote from: Old Gobbler on November 15, 2011, 10:26:58 PM
Fiocchi always had some fast loads even back in the day -Sadly I never had any luck getting them to shoot tight
Agreed...I was probably 80-90 hits in a 10 at 40. If a fella had real dense cover and short yardage shots @30 constantly it would be a decent shell. past 35 yards it opens up like throwing a handful of rocks..They seem to use good primers and powder because the shells crack like a 300 Win mag. I had just as good performance with Win steel as Kent fast steel but really like the Kent fastlead rounds.. great velocity and patterns. Heck on grouse and rabbits
Quote from: gobbler74 on November 15, 2011, 10:35:47 PM
Quote from: Old Gobbler on November 15, 2011, 10:26:58 PM
Fiocchi always had some fast loads even back in the day -Sadly I never had any luck getting them to shoot tight
Agreed...I was probably 80-90 hits in a 10 at 40. If a fella had real dense cover and short yardage shots @30 constantly it would be a decent shell. past 35 yards it opens up like throwing a handful of rocks..They seem to use good primers and powder because the shells crack like a 300 Win mag. I had just as good performance with Win steel as Kent fast steel but really like the Kent fastlead rounds.. great velocity and patterns. Heck on grouse and rabbits
I was lucky to get 70out of a 3" 12 fiocchi
I think Kent ammo is prime for some lobbying for a serious turkey load - Im not sure the density of their "matrix" load but from what I can gather it is a blend of tungsten and plastic polymers - if they can alter it to 12gg and make it hard , drop the FPS , ramp up the payload and get matched up with a good wad and powder they will be gold - heck there is tons of reloading info on this , they could use whats out there to come up with a viable offering - Kent has done very well for itself with the fast steel
- ammo companies love duck hunters because they chew through ammo - turkey hunters on the other hand are largely ignored , because most of them tend to only go through a few rounds each year
Well if they only go through a few shells a year the manufactures should do limited runs of tss.
For me I want to play around when nickel pb lead #4 s . I think I can I can get up to 120 in a 10" @40 yds and a reddot to correct the poi.
Im having to make my pattern board larger I think the core pattern is far left.
I'd check the poa/poi at 20 yards and adjust poa accordingly for 40 yds using what you already have for a pattern board.
A box if win hv lead loads for my 10ga run 23$for locally if I have to pay 10$ more box for a load that will put 3xmy pattern at 40 yards ill pay that