Ok fellas got some info for yall..depending on what you like to shoot you may be interested. Some may have already heard but here goes..
EM is making the hevi metal into a turkey load..half steel, half htl..The 20 ga turkey is 1 oz load of 4 steel x 6 hevi . The 12 ga 3.5" is 1.5 oz of 4 steel x 6 hevi and the 3" is 1-1/4oz of 4 steel x 6 hevi. The 12 ga loads are 1450fps or so advertised. 20 ga is 1250fps. They are still making the 10's in magblend BUT no word on 20 ga magblend as of yet.
I am sure those hevi metal loads will roll one nicely but I'm not a #4 guy
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Wheres the logic in these hevi metal loads???
A # 4 and lighter loads is going to equal low pellet counts and result poor to marginal pattern results!!
Wasnt the whole thing of htl loads increased pattern density and equal energy out of smaller pellets??
Sounds like they want to push off some of the unused shot intended for duck loads on turkey hunters.
after 56 beards on the wall i should change,and countless fall birds killed.always looking to improve.ya never know about the new stuff
#4 steel just won't cut it on a big Spring gobbler in my book. It bleeds off energy too fast and besides, the Hevi Shot in Hevi Metal is the 10 gm/cc stuff that they put in Hevi Duck, not the 12gm/cc stuff that's in Hevi Goose. There is a lot less of the htl shot in HM loads than there is steel shot too. Don't get me wrong. I LOVE Hevi Metal and use it a lot and it absolutely CHRUSHES geese but that stuff just isn't gonna cut it for turkeys imo.
Uhhhh no, steel shot for turkeys is a bad idea!
They need to go back to what worked well originally and stop making up all of this crap. If I want to shoot an ounce and a quarter load, I'll shoot a 2 3/4" shell
One thing to be highly aware of with that shell makeup is your choke tube..I personally would use a factory full and NOTHING tighter due to the steel.
1400 fps "steel" will end up at 673 fps at 40 yards -Now the hevi portion of that load will be another story --
It will likely pattern fairly well, and kill turkeys inside 40 Yards. The recoil will be very mild, due to the light payload. Why are they doing this?
those are going to be worthless for turkeys
They're actually slower than the waterfowl loads...they'll kill a bird sure but the payloads are EXACTLY the same as the waterfowl loads with less pep. Makes no sense...marketing gimmick and a poor one from a company I buy a TON of shells from.
QuoteIt will likely pattern fairly well, and kill turkeys inside 40 Yards. The recoil will be very mild, due to the light payload. Why are they doing this?
I want 1.75 to 2 ounces of Lead or HTL shot in a 3" Turkey shell.
I know you get more pellets per ounce with Steel, (they have more volume than density), and that #4 Steel will do a fine job out to 30 Yards on the head and neck of any bird in America.
But how are they going to make a solid 40 Yard performer out of a 1.25 Ounce shell, that's half-filled with Steel Shot?
***Not to mention that Turkey Chokes aren't rated for Steel Shot.***
So we're supposed to believe that a 1.25 Ounce shell fired through a Full Choke that is rated for Steel Shot is what we need for a Turkey Hunting Rig?
They'll probably make a fine Duck Hunting load.
Quote from: 3" 870 Shell Shucker on November 16, 2011, 02:22:56 AM
QuoteIt will likely pattern fairly well, and kill turkeys inside 40 Yards. The recoil will be very mild, due to the light payload. Why are they doing this?
They'll probably make a fine Duck Hunting load.
That
IS their duck load...
They are just trying to offer a cheaper HTL shell, at a price that will compete with premium Lead loads. But why not a Lead / HTL shell, instead of a Steel / HTL shell? This is crazy.
I'm not sure that I would even hunt grey squirrels with steel shot.
Quote from: Deputy 14 on November 17, 2011, 10:41:11 PM
I'm not sure that I would even hunt grey squirrels with steel shot.
Now steel isn't know for patterning... But it works on geese and they can be tough birds to bring down. I remember some old hunting videos when guys started using lead 7's. I also remember them guys running down a lot of turkeys trying to get away. I think this shell will kill but most hunters look for better performance for their buck. Hevi 4's are a smacker well down range.
QuoteNow steel isn't know for patterning
When choked right, a good steel shot combo can throw some nice even patterns....................at 25 to 30 Yards.
There's no way that a 1.25 ounce load that is half Steel shot will ever throw 100 pellets in 10" at 40 Yards. I had trouble getting 100 in 10" at 40 Yards with the dreaded 1 5/8 Ounce Hevi13 #6's. I also had trouble getting 100 in 10" at 40 Yards with 1.75 - 2 Ounce 3" Lead loads. It's not so easy to break 100, that people are going to be able to do it with half Steel shot.
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on November 15, 2011, 08:22:52 PM
They're actually slower than the waterfowl loads...they'll kill a bird sure but the payloads are EXACTLY the same as the waterfowl loads with less pep. Makes no sense...marketing gimmick and a poor one from a company I buy a TON of shells from.
Yep, these shells have marketing gimmick all over them. I don't care if they sell for half the price of H-13, I'm not buying any.
Talked to one of the Hevishot Pro Staffers on another site I moderate on. When I posted up about these new loads, he knew absolutely NOTHING about them at the time. :help: He's a good guy and a straight shooter and is a friend of one of the top turkey guys at Hevi. He said he would talk to him and get the skinny on them. He really isn't much of a turkey hunter (waterfowl pro staff) but he agrees that a healthy dose of straight shot or mag blends is the way to go... :icon_thumright:
QuoteI'm not sure that I would even hunt grey squirrels with steel shot.
Steel shot works fine on squirrels, and ducks too for that matter.
Hey guys I found out some info on this shell..
The load is a 4x6 with #4 steel and #6 hevi. The brochure says #4 because of the need for listing the largest size.
Now for all the current lead shooters wanting to try a little something different.
These turkey shells are going to sell for around $10 per 5. :icon_thumright:
Quote from: gobbler74 on December 01, 2011, 04:54:55 PM
Hey guys I found out some info on this shell..
The load is a 4x6 with #4 steel and #6 hevi. The brochure says #4 because of the need for listing the largest size.
Now for all the current lead shooters wanting to try a little something different.
These turkey shells are going to sell for around $10 per 5. :icon_thumright:
I'm not interested in this load, but aren't most turkey chokes we shoot through not rated for steel?
Not trying to sound foolish, but what kind of choke could you use for this load. Wouldn't a factory full be inadequate for the #6 Hevi?
Been reading through this thread here recently & figure I'll throw my 2 cents in.
Hevi Shot has a 20 GA Hevi-13 "Magnum Blend" load out on the market.
My granddaughter uses it or the Hevi 13 #7shot. 3" 1 1/4 oz.
The New "Hevi Metal"- Turkey Load-is for the working man that want's a piece of the pie.
Not every hunter can drop up to $30.00 on a box of 5 shells.
On a standard long range shot of 40 yards this ammo will K.O. Ole Boss Tom & could get you out to 50 yards.
Hevi Shot has their own Choke Tube Systems now for 12 & 20 GA &
all are made to handle Steel Shot as well as any other metal load.
I use them on all my shotguns.After all they are made by Carlson. :you_rock:
Cabela's,Hevi-Shot & Carlson all make Full, X-Full & XX Full Chokes for use of Steel Shot- Carlson/Hevi Shot is (X-Full & XX-Full).
I have used Hevi 13 & Hevi 13- Magnum Blend along with a Hevi Shot -Thunder Chicken- Choke Tube with great success.
See no reason why the New- Hevi Metal- Turkey ammo won't be a good economical edition to a turkey hunters success.
Now the working man can get in on the action with Hevi Metal-Turkey ammo & a Hevi Shot-Turkey Choke Tube or a Cabela's.
If they so wish too.(To each their own!)
QuoteBeen reading through this thread here recently & figure I'll throw my 2 cents in.
Hevi Shot has a 20 GA Hevi-13 "Magnum Blend" load out on the market.
My granddaughter uses it or the Hevi 13 #7shot. 3" 1 1/4 oz.
The New "Hevi Metal"- Turkey Load-is for the working man that want's a piece of the pie.
Not every hunter can drop up to $30.00 on a box of 5 shells.
On a standard long range shot of 40 yards this ammo will K.O. Ole Boss Tom & could get you out to 50 yards.
Hevi Shot has their own Choke Tube Systems now for 12 & 20 GA &
all are made to handle Steel Shot as well as any other metal load.
I use them on all my shotguns.After all they are made by Carlson.
Cabela's,Hevi-Shot & Carlson all make Full, X-Full & XX Full Chokes for use of Steel Shot- Carlson/Hevi Shot is (X-Full & XX-Full).
I have used Hevi 13 & Hevi 13- Magnum Blend along with a Hevi Shot -Thunder Chicken- Choke Tube with great success.
See no reason why the New- Hevi Metal- Turkey ammo won't be a good economical edition to a turkey hunters success.
Now the working man can get in on the action with Hevi Metal-Turkey ammo & a Hevi Shot-Turkey Choke Tube or a Cabela's.
If they so wish too.(To each their own!)
I'll ask first.
Employee, or Pro Staff?
Quote from: Tree Hopper on December 05, 2011, 11:44:10 AM
The New "Hevi Metal"- Turkey Load-is for the working man that want's a piece of the pie.
Not every hunter can drop up to $30.00 on a box of 5 shells.
On a standard long range shot of 40 yards this ammo will K.O. Ole Boss Tom & could get you out to 50 yards.
A 10 count box of Winchester Supreme 3" LEAD at a whopping $9.00 a box will do the same thing...and probably better imo. :z-winnersmiley:
3" 870 Shell Shucker-Both.
-By far it should be tested like all other turkey loads before hunting. :agreed:
mightyjoeyoung- Hevi-13 vs Win lead... no contest.
Quote from: Tree Hopper on December 09, 2011, 09:03:54 PM
3" 870 Shell Shucker-Both.
-By far it should be tested like all other turkey loads before hunting. :agreed:
mightyjoeyoung- Hevi-13 vs Win lead... no contest.
Guess what though? It isn't hevi-13 they put in those shells...it's hevi duck which weighs equivilant to lead anyways so if the steel is #4 and the hevi is sized to match the density of the steel, what's that make for the hevi pellet size?...yup, you guessed it, about the equivilant of #6 lead. Not sure why you're singing the praises of a load that number one hasn't been proven in the field yet (I know this first hand btw), and number two, has a 1.25 ounce payload in 3", half of which is STEEL SHOT. Makes your statement that hevi wins over lead every time that much easier to disprove. With all the talk of, and the PROMOTION of "callin em in close", which to me means 30 yards or less, where is the benefit of this round over say a 1.75 once load of hardened, copper-plated, bufferd #5 lead that can and more to the fact HAS killed more turkeys, and at ranges easily exceeding 40 yards, than you can shake a stick at? Just to be clear here, I LOVE HEVI SHOT!!!! I sing the praises of the stuff and of the hevi metal waterfowl loading to any and all who will listen. But this load is nothing more than a tuned down waterfowl load and I think there's gonna be an awful too many stories of guys who as per the norm and the majority in the turkey woods, misjudged the range and
"rolled the bird, but he got right back up and ran off" stories than there are gonna be success stories. Not the slickest move on EM's part if you ask me and if there are any pro-staff on here that could maybe bend some ears there, you might save more than a few crippled turkeys next spring. I know you won't have to for me as I'll be using the stuff that I know works...
Guess will just have to wait a see what the out come of this new turkey load can & will not do.
I feel like these shells will put a hurtin on a bird inside 35 yards. Which is where I prefer my birds anyway
Quote from: bigdale on December 13, 2011, 05:01:34 PM
I feel like these shells will put a hurtin on a bird inside 35 yards. Which is where I prefer my birds anyway
I'm with ya, kill most of mine 20-30yds, I'm sure they will do the trick on anything less than 40yds.
Don't see any advantage over lead other than being non-toxic which could make them multipurpose, have to see how they pattern.
Quote from: Gadget on December 13, 2011, 07:01:46 PM
Quote from: bigdale on December 13, 2011, 05:01:34 PM
I feel like these shells will put a hurtin on a bird inside 35 yards. Which is where I prefer my birds anyway
I'm with ya, kill most of mine 20-30yds, I'm sure they will do the trick on anything less than 40yds.
Don't see any advantage over lead other than being non-toxic which could make them multipurpose, have to see how they pattern.
Thats a good assessment. :icon_thumright:
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Quote from: bigdale on December 13, 2011, 05:01:34 PM
I feel like these shells will put a hurtin on a bird inside 35 yards. Which is where I prefer my birds anyway
I think their advertising statement "call them in close..." is a warning that you should get them closer than that before you try to shoot them with it.
Thank you! :you_rock:
Quote from: Gadget on December 15, 2011, 09:57:35 AM
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Quote from: bigdale on December 13, 2011, 05:01:34 PM
I feel like these shells will put a hurtin on a bird inside 35 yards. Which is where I prefer my birds anyway
I think their advertising statement "call them in close..." is a warning that you should get them closer than that before you try to shoot them with it.
You stated on here a while back
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If you keep your shots to under 30 yds, it doesn't matter what you shoot. Walmart dove loads will kill them most of the time.
So a turkey is soo easy to kill anything can kill him 30yds but once you get to 35yds it takes something special? if as you say a walmart dove load will kill a turkey at 30yds then it's safe to say this will kill further.
I think he is referring to pattern density of a small payload. not pellet energy.
I think he is referring to pattern density of a small payload. not pellet energy.
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I see they're making the 20ga in 1oz, 12 in 1 1/4 and 1 1/2oz, same size loads they sell in the Duck version, I've never patterned it but I know ppl who have and said it did hold a good pattern to 40yds. Does the Turkey version have the same wad, buffer, powder; or is it something different? Prolly have to wait till ppl get some in hand to cut open and find out. Only diff I see in their lit is the velocity is slower with the Turkey version.
I think what they're doing here is trying to come out with a cheaper Turkey load while staying Eco friendly by staying away from lead, as they always have........hence the name "Environ"-metal. They don't see lead as an option, not a bad idea since lead is increasingly being banned. See they have the pheasant version now too. If it holds a pattern to 40yds I think it will be a viable turkey load for many.
I'll stick to my Federal Turkey Loads.....They have never failed me. If I missed the shot it was my fault not the load I was using.
If i want cheap turkey loads I'll go back to lead there's no way steel is better than lead even if these shells are half hevi 13
Quote from: Spuriosity on December 15, 2011, 07:48:09 PM
Absolutely, categorically not interested.
I hear ya.....lol.
I'll buy some to pattern and dissect........ just outta curiosity, it won't be replacing any of my handloads I'm sure.
Quote from: Gadget on December 16, 2011, 03:30:21 PM
Quote from: Spuriosity on December 15, 2011, 07:48:09 PM
Absolutely, categorically not interested.
I hear ya.....lol.
I'll buy some to pattern and dissect........ just outta curiosity, it won't be replacing any of my handloads I'm sure.
:icon_thumright: you got that right Gadget....!
brian