I've hunted MO several times and really like their digital harvest reporting. Here in NY it appears they're going to do the same. Hopefully they'll mimic that of MO...works great.
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Yes Mo.is the model everyone should follow!
Quote from: Turkeyman on June 22, 2025, 11:49:10 AMI've hunted MO several times and really like their digital harvest reporting. Here in NY it appears they're going to do the same. Hopefully they'll mimic that of MO...works great.
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What is digital harvest reporting?
Tele-poach in mo is a joke its data is very skewed. One good example is 3000 deer taken off of 200ac of public in one county.
Please educate me. It's my understanding the MO Telecheck system only asks for the county of harvest. How does that equate to a 200 acre plot? Where did you find that many deer taken in such a small area?
Now...as regards to poaching that can occur with any reporting system...to the point where an individual can just not report at all and sneak deer, turkey or whatever in the back door. But that's not what we're discussing here. We're discussing a superior and easier reporting tool.
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Quote from: 3bailey3 on June 22, 2025, 11:57:53 AMYes Mo.is the model everyone should follow!
I say this often all over the country!
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Digital reporting. You have the app on your phone. You kill. Launch the app and "notch" your tag. No cell signal required but when signal is acquired it will be sent.
If you were questioned you can show the notched tag. When back home or wherever go online and complete.
Now, if you are carrying a bird and a CO asks you for your tag and it's not "notched" you may be in trouble LOL.
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Now...everyone doesn't have a cellphone and that's fine. You can still use a paper tag. But that bird better have either a paper tag or a notched via cell.
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Tennessee has this check - in app and it works great, even if you don't have service on your phone you can go ahead and fill out the app on your phone and as your phone gets service it will automatically update and send you a confirmation number that you can give your processor or taxidermist.. It will also keep a log for you of all your check-in ...
Quote from: Turkeyman on June 22, 2025, 04:13:59 PMPlease educate me. It's my understanding the MO Telecheck system only asks for the county of harvest. How does that equate to a 200 acre plot? Where did you find that many deer taken in such a small area?
Now...as regards to poaching that can occur with any reporting system...to the point where an individual can just not report at all and sneak deer, turkey or whatever in the back door. But that's not what we're discussing here. We're discussing a superior and easier reporting tool.
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Public/private is one of the questions along with what type of weapon. That many deer were checked in and people checked them in as they took them off the small parcel of public. The data they receive from the tele-check is skewed and MDC knows it. Here is another example- in cwd counties you are supposed to bring the deer in on opening weekend to be tested. So what happens 80% of deer are tele-checked in on Monday. Like I said its bad data.
Quote from: Greg Massey on June 22, 2025, 06:26:12 PMTennessee has this check - in app and it works great, even if you don't have service on your phone you can go ahead and fill out the app on your phone and as your phone gets service it will automatically update and send you a confirmation number that you can give your processor or taxidermist.. It will also keep a log for you of all your check-in ...
I like Tennessee and Kansas because they require a picture of the kill immediately upon being taken. It requires your phone location to be on so they know where it was harvested.
Quote from: Hook hanger on June 22, 2025, 08:12:51 PMQuote from: Turkeyman on June 22, 2025, 04:13:59 PMPlease educate me. It's my understanding the MO Telecheck system only asks for the county of harvest. How does that equate to a 200 acre plot? Where did you find that many deer taken in such a small area?
Now...as regards to poaching that can occur with any reporting system...to the point where an individual can just not report at all and sneak deer, turkey or whatever in the back door. But that's not what we're discussing here. We're discussing a superior and easier reporting tool.
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Public/private is one of the questions along with what type of weapon. That many deer were checked in and people checked them in as they took them off the small parcel of public. The data they receive from the tele-check is skewed and MDC knows it. Here is another example- in cwd counties you are supposed to bring the deer in on opening weekend to be tested. So what happens 80% of deer are tele-checked in on Monday. Like I said its bad data.
In our state CWD zone you have the option to have it tested or not ...
You know we have people say that it's bad data, but I feel most will use the app and it's good data ... Someone who is going to cheat the system will always cheat the system in my opinion... The days of us having local checking locations is over unless you can get the people at the Dollar Stores to check the game ...
I like the "tag" being on my phonehere in Oregon. No cell service required. I have all the info on the phone of the validation. Time and location with a conformation number. I prefill out all my info on a ribbon of surveyors tap leaving the date, hunt unit and conformation number blank. I fill those three out with a waterproof pen at the time of the kill and attach it to the leg of the bird. Then I fill out the reporting questions on the fish and game website when I get home and in cell service.
Quote from: Hook hanger on June 22, 2025, 01:03:08 PMTele-poach in mo is a joke its data is very skewed. One good example is 3000 deer taken off of 200ac of public in one county.
That was real. It's the lease Greg Massey was on
Quote from: crow on June 22, 2025, 08:25:16 PMQuote from: Hook hanger on June 22, 2025, 01:03:08 PMTele-poach in mo is a joke its data is very skewed. One good example is 3000 deer taken off of 200ac of public in one county.
That was real. It's the lease Greg Massey was on
Thank you again crow for loaning me your 22-250 and case of shells ...
Quote from: Greg Massey on June 22, 2025, 08:53:20 PMQuote from: crow on June 22, 2025, 08:25:16 PMQuote from: Hook hanger on June 22, 2025, 01:03:08 PMTele-poach in mo is a joke its data is very skewed. One good example is 3000 deer taken off of 200ac of public in one county.
That was real. It's the lease Greg Massey was on
Thank you again crow for loaning me your 22-250 and case of shells ...
Told you I didn't have a dedicated turkey gun, its also a bonified deer catching gun
I hate the online checkin and being able to shoot a second bird after you check the first one. It invites the "less than honest" hunter to shoot 2 and check them in online at different times. I have seen more youth hunters coming out of the woods with 2 jakes than not. I suspect that their "adult" mentors are teaching bad habits. The 2 shots heard together ten the 2 jakes coming out 30 minutes later are pretty good indicators of whats happening. Z
NC has been doing this for several years now. We used to go to local stores and report (been years for this). After that we reported via phone at 1-800-I Got One and now we have All of our licenses, tags and complete Hunter info on our phones. NC has gotten away from paper tags and went digital. If and when you interact with a Wildlife officer, you pull up your info on the phone for verification. I guess we are out of the Stone Age as well. There are Pros and Cons to this system as others have said but it is the world we live in unfortunately.
Pennsylvania still has the 1 bird a day stupid rule. Biologically it makes no sense heck probably 3/4 of the GC staff and our Commissiors probably don't know that rule is on the books. Pa did the notch tag thing for like 2 yrs and got rid of it
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Quote from: Twowithone on June 23, 2025, 07:30:51 AMPennsylvania still has the 1 bird a day stupid rule. Biologically it makes no sense heck probably 3/4 of the GC staff and our Commissiors probably don't know that rule is on the books. Pa did the notch tag thing for like 2 yrs and got rid of it
To preface my comments, these are only my personal thoughts on this matter. Nobody needs to take personal offense...or get their snoods all tied up in a knot. :)
I have no problem with hunters shooting more than one bird A DAY...IF those birds are shot in separate hunts separated by time and space. I DO have a problem with single individuals shooting multiple gobblers that come in together...whether they be mature birds or jakes. I personally believe that, especially in today's declining turkey populations, we need to instill an ethic that turkey hunting is NOT about body counts, but about the individual hunting experience itself. Nobody is ever going to convince me that shooting multiple gobblers at once just because two or more of them came to your calling enhances that individual hunting experience.
Having said that, I DO agree that in HEALTHY turkey populations shooting a couple of birds in a single set-up is not a biological issue. My position on the matter is that there are very definitely places where doing that is detrimental in struggling populations...and again, we need to promote the idea that turkey hunting is not about numbers but about the hunting experience involved.
Personally, I have petitioned our G&F Department since the inception of our two-bird bag limit for a "one bird a day" provision here...and will continue to do so as long as we have that limit. It is only my opinion based on my personal ethic, but there is no question in my mind that we should steer turkey hunters away from the "body count" mentality.
As for me personally, I have had DOZENS of opportunities over the years to shoot more than one gobbler that came into my calling together. I will not do it...and in fact, there have been quite a few occasions where I have let the whole bunch walk just because they did not separate enough for me to be confident in shooting a single gobbler. Calling multiple gobblers in at one time is not at all uncommon...at least in the places I have hunted...and their tendency to either attack a flopping gobbler or stand momentarily after the shot makes them easy targets in a lot of cases. Promoting the idea that it is okay for hunters to mow down gobblers in those situations leaves a very sour taste in this old hunter's mouth.
In HEALTHY turkey populations, I reluctantly accept other differing opinions on the matter. However, there are way too many places nowadays where having that body count mentality is not helping our situation.
The End... :D
Quote from: GobbleNut on June 23, 2025, 09:32:40 AMQuote from: Twowithone on June 23, 2025, 07:30:51 AMPennsylvania still has the 1 bird a day stupid rule. Biologically it makes no sense heck probably 3/4 of the GC staff and our Commissiors probably don't know that rule is on the books. Pa did the notch tag thing for like 2 yrs and got rid of it
To preface my comments, these are only my personal thoughts on this matter. Nobody needs to take personal offense...or get their snoods all tied up in a knot. :)
I have no problem with hunters shooting more than one bird A DAY...IF those birds are shot in separate hunts separated by time and space. I DO have a problem with single individuals shooting multiple gobblers that come in together...whether they be mature birds or jakes. I personally believe that, especially in today's declining turkey populations, we need to instill an ethic that turkey hunting is NOT about body counts, but about the individual hunting experience itself. Nobody is ever going to convince me that shooting multiple gobblers at once just because two or more of them came to your calling enhances that individual hunting experience.
Having said that, I DO agree that in HEALTHY turkey populations shooting a couple of birds in a single set-up is not a biological issue. My position on the matter is that there are very definitely places where doing that is detrimental in struggling populations...and again, we need to promote the idea that turkey hunting is not about numbers but about the hunting experience involved.
Personally, I have petitioned our G&F Department since the inception of our two-bird bag limit for a "one bird a day" provision here...and will continue to do so as long as we have that limit. It is only my opinion based on my personal ethic, but there is no question in my mind that we should steer turkey hunters away from the "body count" mentality.
As for me personally, I have had DOZENS of opportunities over the years to shoot more than one gobbler that came into my calling together. I will not do it...and in fact, there have been quite a few occasions where I have let the whole bunch walk just because they did not separate enough for me to be confident in shooting a single gobbler. Calling multiple gobblers in at one time is not at all uncommon...at least in the places I have hunted...and their tendency to either attack a flopping gobbler or stand momentarily after the shot makes them easy targets in a lot of cases. Promoting the idea that it is okay for hunters to mow down gobblers in those situations leaves a very sour taste in this old hunter's mouth.
In HEALTHY turkey populations, I reluctantly accept other differing opinions on the matter. However, there are way too many places nowadays where having that body count mentality is not helping our situation.
The End... :D
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Quote from: Twowithone on June 23, 2025, 09:45:32 AMQuote from: GobbleNut on June 23, 2025, 09:32:40 AMQuote from: Twowithone on June 23, 2025, 07:30:51 AMPennsylvania still has the 1 bird a day stupid rule. Biologically it makes no sense heck probably 3/4 of the GC staff and our Commissiors probably don't know that rule is on the books. Pa did the notch tag thing for like 2 yrs and got rid of it
To preface my comments, these are only my personal thoughts on this matter. Nobody needs to take personal offense...or get their snoods all tied up in a knot. :)
I have no problem with hunters shooting more than one bird A DAY...IF those birds are shot in separate hunts separated by time and space. I DO have a problem with single individuals shooting multiple gobblers that come in together...whether they be mature birds or jakes. I personally believe that, especially in today's declining turkey populations, we need to instill an ethic that turkey hunting is NOT about body counts, but about the individual hunting experience itself. Nobody is ever going to convince me that shooting multiple gobblers at once just because two or more of them came to your calling enhances that individual hunting experience.
Having said that, I DO agree that in HEALTHY turkey populations shooting a couple of birds in a single set-up is not a biological issue. My position on the matter is that there are very definitely places where doing that is detrimental in struggling populations...and again, we need to promote the idea that turkey hunting is not about numbers but about the hunting experience involved.
Personally, I have petitioned our G&F Department since the inception of our two-bird bag limit for a "one bird a day" provision here...and will continue to do so as long as we have that limit. It is only my opinion based on my personal ethic, but there is no question in my mind that we should steer turkey hunters away from the "body count" mentality.
As for me personally, I have had DOZENS of opportunities over the years to shoot more than one gobbler that came into my calling together. I will not do it...and in fact, there have been quite a few occasions where I have let the whole bunch walk just because they did not separate enough for me to be confident in shooting a single gobbler. Calling multiple gobblers in at one time is not at all uncommon...at least in the places I have hunted...and their tendency to either attack a flopping gobbler or stand momentarily after the shot makes them easy targets in a lot of cases. Promoting the idea that it is okay for hunters to mow down gobblers in those situations leaves a very sour taste in this old hunter's mouth.
In HEALTHY turkey populations, I reluctantly accept other differing opinions on the matter. However, there are way too many places nowadays where having that body count mentality is not helping our situation.
The End... :D
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Spots of Pa. Have been bad for yrs the GC has implemented changes in these WMUs I'm not a turkey biologist but if you're selling a special gobbler tag there's 2 ways to look at this. 1. Your Turkey population is good or 2. Your game agency needs the $$$$
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In my state we are just allowed one a day and i'm good with it because I love the challenge of hunting and chasing another one the next day...
We used to be able to have 4 in a season, and now it's 2 a season and only one can be a Jake and no bearded hens can be harvested.
I'm good with the changes,just not a fan of the season now being pushed back just over 2 weeks from all the years past.
Texas' system works well, similar to what has been described. The only thing I don't like about it is that it they want your kill location. I somehow seem to get cell signal and my report sent in the middle of the road near camp when my location captures. :angel9:
Regarding the original subject of this thread, namely the ability to telecheck your turkey via an app on your phone, I'm a resident of Missouri and first turkey hunted almost 50 years ago. At that time, we had to physically tag the bird (or deer) with a pre-printed adhesive tag and transport it to a check station on the day of harvest.
In 2005 the telecheck program eliminated the required trip to a check station and allowed game to be checked in via a telephone or the Internet. Eventually this developed into the ability to complete the process via an app on a smartphone.
For the naysayers, criminals don't follow rules, so whatever the process, poachers are going to ignore the rules. In my opinion, people are inherently lazy and the easier the process, the greater the compliance rate.
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To me, the key to the telecheck system is the time stamp. Not being a tech-savvy guy, I'm not sure how that works when there is no service, but the important thing is that it does...and that there is no getting around it.
However, the problem I see, regardless of the tagging system used, is the lack of significant deterrence to poaching. All too often it seems, poachers get what amounts to a slap on the wrist with a "don't do that again you naughty boy" attitude from authorities...as well as the judicial system.
Here's what my deterrence would be: Throw them in jail for a SIGNIFICANT amount of time and confiscate EVERYTHING they used in the commission of the act. That would include their vehicle and everything in it. Admittedly, that is pretty harsh, but it's high time that we all make it clear that poaching is not acceptable and the penalties for doing so are going to be severe. End of discussion. Mic Drop.