Pictured is an 870 pattern with the new Winchester long beard tss loads . One is with a tru glo head banger .665 the other a sumtoy .660. Pretty impressed, though it is a slightly heavier load out to its competitors ,it still IMO is better . Now I haven't shot tons of it ... these are the only 2. Perhaps it could be improved on ... don't have time . Tit for tat ounce for ounce my hand loads still hold the record for me. But this is nervously close .