I don't have social media so I may have been late on knowing this but I just received an email that the black hills area of South Dakota is draw hunt for non residents now.
Check out the NR hunter growth. Doubled in 5 years.
2018: 1,545
2019: 1,604
2020: 1,381
2021: 2,718
2022: 2,346
2023: 2,674
2024: 3,170
Pretty amazing how COVID caused everyone to start traveling to specific locales to hunt.
Haha, just kidding. IF YOU PIMP IT, THEY WILL COME.
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You can expect Wyoming to make changes for their Black Hills turkey region next. And don't be surprised if there is eventually a ~$400-500 "Special" Black Hills turkey tag there. They recently drastically upped the price on "special" tags for big game animals. ($2,000 elk tag, $1,200 antelope and deer tags)
A "Special" tag is basically the exact same as a "normal" tag, you just pay a lot more to increase your draw odds.
The Black Hills are not the turkey hunt that it used to be. It can be very hit or miss. Making it a premium hunt will make it a no go for me. I have family and friend there and usually make at least one trip a year to the area, but the gun will stay home if they make it too difficult and pricey. I have traveled and hunted 9 states over the last 50 plus years and SD Black Hills is very low on my list of places to return to. If you have access to private land and set up in close proximity to a locals feeders your golden, but hunting the hills at large sucks. Everyone has a back yard or field feeder and high pressure on public lands have pushed the birds into safe zones. You can drive a 100 miles in a day and never hear a bird on the Remote areas of National Forest. On the way home you may see a couple flocks in people's yards or a private pasture. I'm sure someone will dispute this, but that is what I have seen happen in the last few years. Most of those videos are older and I watched a couple videos that I could see homes and hear traffic very close....yup makes me wonder if those were yard birds. I'm not buying.
Yep, everything eggshell states is exactly what we saw several years ago when we went. We never heard or saw a turkey EXCEPT either on, or very close to, private land. On almost every occasion we encountered turkeys, we were invariably trying to pull them off of those private holdings...and those private landowners seemed to be doing everything they could to keep those turkeys on their properties. ...And for me personally, I don't enjoy hunting turkeys in those types of situations, and especially for turkeys that are human-conditioned enough where they just hang around people's homes, often while those folks are out doing "human stuff" amongst them.
After all we had heard about hunting there, we were absolutely shocked at the apparent absence of turkeys anywhere except around those private lands...and there are lots of private-land holdings within that forest, and with correspondingly LOTS of folks doing other stuff that complicate hunting for turkeys.
Now, I'm sure there are exceptions to the above, and I'm also sure there are people that know the Hills well enough that they know where those exceptions are. However, let this be a warning to those that might decide to travel there to hunt and might be assuming that they will easily find gobblers to hunt: despite the mental image you might have that the Black Hills are Merriam's-turkey-hunting utopia for public-lands hunters, from what we saw, it is far from it (and that Pine Ridge area of Nebraska falls into the same category at this point).
I'm not surprised. So maybe I'll give it a few years and go back. I absolutely love the Black Hills, both for turkey hunting and vacation. However, my last trip to the Black Hills of Wyoming was frustrating. While I was on a group of birds, hunters were everywhere. I talked to a local and he had never seen it like that before. I swore I would never go back turkey hunting there. But now maybe I will in a few years if the turkey population increases the hunters decrease.
It's a 24 hour drive for me to get there, I am not going to even plain to go back. Only for that reason.
Between ND, SD and WY I hunted a total of 5 days. I harvested 4 turkeys this past spring. No guide, DYI by myself.
There are turkeys in those hills, plenty of them. The one day I was unsuccessful was in WY, I was on turkeys that day. Mistakes made by me dictated that days hunt.
I did not have issues with any other hunters in any of those states, or non hunters.
I heard multiple birds in all three states. Spring 2024
I think it should be mentioned that there's a difference in the North unit and the south. Most people hunt the south, but I have heard there's more birds in the north. The problem with the north is the public land is more broken up and not marked. A lot of small BLM units, you have to do your homework or have a guide/local contact if you go full DIY for your first trip. This is only my observation, feel free to correct me if I am in error. WV Flopper, I assume you were hunting Northern SD. I was out there in September and was in Northern SD and southern ND and saw way more birds than in the southern black hills.
No disrespect. I will only say BH unit 1 and obviously Indian territory in ND.
If you would like to discuss further shoot me a PM
Did anyone really expect this to not eventually happen.
Black Hills has always been a draw, but the draw rate has always been 100%.
We all must sacrifice so a few can have their 15 mins. Disagree with their loose lip policies and you are......... THE SELFISH ONE
Must have been all them come turkey hunting in Nebraska billboards I seen dotted all over the upper Midwest starting around 2015? Don't remember exactly when I started seeing them but I did see a few of them precovid.
Arkrem,
I have talked to DH88 about this, and I am curious to know your thoughts. Knowing that these guys aren't going away anytime soon, what would you ask them to do differently? Mainly the social media/youtube guys.
:popcorn: the social media Youtubers are here to stay. ADAPT or stay home. Simple as that.
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Early....i put in for draws and travel farther to the open stuff if I don't draw. Then on to additional states pending draw results and open seasons the rest of the year. I still kill the same amount just find myself traveling farther to do so. Lower limits. Non resident restrictions. Draws. Different openers. Frankly it's a major inconvenience. The whole country is moving toward a draw and more restrictive non resident regs. Been interesting to watch the evolution in the last 20 years. What we used to have and what we now have. The next 20 will be painful I expect for the traveling turkey hunter.
Loose lips sink ships. Believe it
Do different....man social media is wrecking hunting. Arkansas duck hunting is absolutely crazy now and the cameras are a major problem.
It's the same with turkey hunting. Pimping a public resource for profit is the lowest form of hunter. Yet fools celebrate these guys because they simply don't know any better. I have no love for any of them. The pennies they've made has been paid 1000 times in lost opportunity for the public Hunter. And it's only getting started. Like and subscribe to your own demise
Quote from: arkrem870 on December 10, 2024, 08:56:08 PMDo different....man social media is wrecking hunting. Arkansas duck hunting is absolutely crazy now and the cameras are a major problem.
It's the same with turkey hunting. Pimping a public resource for profit is the lowest form of hunter. Yet fools celebrate these guys because they simply don't know any better. I have no love for any of them. The pennies they've made has been paid 1000 times in lost opportunity for the public Hunter. And it's only getting started. Like and subscribe to your own demise
It would be great if making a profit from a public resource was ended. Film and sell hunts on private all you want but what is done is done.
Quote from: Gooserbat on December 10, 2024, 10:23:25 PMQuote from: arkrem870 on December 10, 2024, 08:56:08 PMDo different....man social media is wrecking hunting. Arkansas duck hunting is absolutely crazy now and the cameras are a major problem.
It's the same with turkey hunting. Pimping a public resource for profit is the lowest form of hunter. Yet fools celebrate these guys because they simply don't know any better. I have no love for any of them. The pennies they've made has been paid 1000 times in lost opportunity for the public Hunter. And it's only getting started. Like and subscribe to your own demise
It would be great if making a profit from a public resource was ended. Film and sell hunts on private all you want but what is done is done.
You are correct. What's done is done. Now we reap what was sown.
I believe some states it is against the law to guide/ charge on public lands, but I didn't look it up. I wonder if states couldn't already extend this to publishing hunts on public land. They can say youtube is free, but they are monetized and their principle goal is to make money. I do think it's an issue that needs addressed. Every sportsman that buys a license is subsidizing these profiteers. That is not what public land management should be. I worked a career for my state Wildlife agency and I never lost sight of who's money paid my salary and run my facility. I assure you I did not like it when the cameras showed up and someone was making money off my time and work. The administrators would often tells us to give them access and cooperate to help increase public awareness of how their Natural resources were managed, but modern technology has changed that and now it's just money grubbing.
I remember the demise of the NWR I learned to hunt turkeys on. The NWTF filmed a video of the governor shooting a turkey on it. The place used to be loaded with turkeys. Now it is loaded with people, and the warden I talked to said he heard 1 turkey gobble on the opener. Really sad to watch it happen.
Let's see I think I read somewhere that the Love of Money is the root of all evil
1 Timothy 6:10 NIV For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
I applied, will be interesting if they share how many applicants there are. Good move overall it seems to limit NR. I'd agree that YT has drawn a lot of attention to the area. I've hunted there every year since 2020, Ive been on birds every single year. Dont always kill one but it not like its complete desolation or hunters are at every pull off. Guys that feel thats the case will stay home, and its a net benefit to those that choose to go.
Quote from: tbowers on February 11, 2025, 11:06:50 AMI applied, will be interesting if they share how many applicants there are.
South Dakota is good with posting draw stats. It should up on the following page within a few weeks of the draw completion.
https://license.gooutdoorssouthdakota.com/License/DrawStatistics
The results will be available the 18th of this month according to their website.
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2683 folks applied for the 2225 tags. So 83% draw odds. Odds will decrease next year like every other turkey draw in this day and age.
Well. The results are out.
Thank you to those who contributed on turning roughly a million acres of public ground to a draw.
To all the guys whose youtube videos are linked- you guys have done more to hurt the sport of turkey hunting than you could ever imagine and are detrimental to the sport. Purely fueled by selfish desires.
I wonder how many of those folks were planning to hunt WY as well and how many will still make the trip if they didn't draw for SD making it a one state trip. Could always jump up to MT to make it a two state trip but not as convenient as the 1 hour drive to WY.
A particular state I hunt each spring is an absolute rodeo on the opener, I really don't think it has anything to do with social media, most folks are locals.
Concentrated turkeys where a lot of people know they are is a problem!
However I have found a few off the beaten path spots and have been able to kill birds, but if you go to the obvious spots it just isn't any fun! More issues with slob hunters than I have ever seen, unfortunately it is becoming the norm in most places.
Quote from: Dtrkyman on February 13, 2025, 10:11:34 AMA particular state I hunt each spring is an absolute rodeo on the opener, I really don't think it has anything to do with social media, most folks are locals.
Concentrated turkeys where a lot of people know they are is a problem!
However I have found a few off the beaten path spots and have been able to kill birds, but if you go to the obvious spots it just isn't any fun! More issues with slob hunters than I have ever seen, unfortunately it is becoming the norm in most places.
Go back and review the number of tags sold then look at the dates of the videos that are posted in this thread.
Youtubers/Social media attention seekers are not solely to blame, but DO bear the biggest burden of what has happened in the last 8 years or so. Other than to personally profit, there is no reason to name states. Much less the spots that have been blatantly given up.
All for what? So a handful of guys can get "likes". Get a job like the rest of us.
I'll hunt a minimum of a dozen states this year and no one outside of close friends will know a thing. If you are hunting for the right reasons, it's not necessary to broadcast your every move for attention.
2683 applicants so about 83% of applicants drew the tag.
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Oh, the irony. At least now hunters have the excuse "didn't draw a tag"
Quote from: silent tom on February 13, 2025, 10:23:55 AMQuote from: Dtrkyman on February 13, 2025, 10:11:34 AMA particular state I hunt each spring is an absolute rodeo on the opener, I really don't think it has anything to do with social media, most folks are locals.
Concentrated turkeys where a lot of people know they are is a problem!
However I have found a few off the beaten path spots and have been able to kill birds, but if you go to the obvious spots it just isn't any fun! More issues with slob hunters than I have ever seen, unfortunately it is becoming the norm in most places.
Go back and review the number of tags sold then look at the dates of the videos that are posted in this thread.
Youtubers/Social media attention seekers are not solely to blame, but DO bear the biggest burden of what has happened in the last 8 years or so. Other than to personally profit, there is no reason to name states. Much less the spots that have been blatantly given up.
All for what? So a handful of guys can get "likes". Get a job like the rest of us.
I'll hunt a minimum of a dozen states this year and no one outside of close friends will know a thing. If you are hunting for the right reasons, it's not necessary to broadcast your every move for attention.
Exactly. Hell, my best friends don't even know the spots I hunt and they don't travel.
I recently commented on a Youtube video where a youtuber constantly named the national forest and was complaining about non residents hunting there. I told him to expect more since he was naming the location. He replied I needed to make that comment on THP and other more watched videos. But all it takes is a few watchers and some posts and your public land secret is no more. Makes no sense to me why you would even name the area of the state much less the place.
And don't get me started on other social media. People just openly giving exact locations in public forum. It may be time to start reverse psychology and just telling people it's no fun. Too hard. Too expensive. And deer hunting is the way to go (but I don't give two cents about a deer hunt, so that's just me).
Draw results came out today. Luckily me and my running partner were both drawn for the black hills!
Looks like I'm going
^^^ Ain't never see'd that before... ;D ??? ::)
Dunno if I should even post this, but SD isn't a pure preference point draw state either. Rather they cube your points in what's known as a "Weighted Pref Point Draw". Very similar to a gun raffle in some regards. I apply for a deer and pronghorn hunt every year there and when you look at draw results the applicants with the most points don't always draw, yet those with less do many times??? So next year in this draw those who buy the preference point aren't guaranteed to draw over those with 0pts. It will happen next year I guarantee it. Oh and btw...I drew this year.
With all the emails sent out by SD Game and Fish, I would bet the bank a lot of people applied "just because." And that a lot of permits will go unused.
Quote from: GobbleNut on February 14, 2025, 09:21:58 AM^^^ Ain't never see'd that before... ;D ??? ::)
I know leave it to me to mess something up when it comes to phones or computers.
For you not seeing what Gobbenut was talking about was. I started to write a post and got interrupted by my wife saying we needed to go. So I posted it and left the site, and some how it posted about fifty emojis emblems. I edited as soon as I seen Sorry guys.
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Quote from: silent tom on February 14, 2025, 10:47:04 AMWith all the emails sent out by SD Game and Fish, I would bet the bank a lot of people applied "just because." And that a lot of permits will go unused.
I didn't look at the particulars about the drawing but based on the above comment, might I assume that folks are not charged the nonresident license fee automatically if they drew?
Yes you are charged via the card on file for your account asap
Quote from: GobbleNut on February 14, 2025, 12:35:24 PMQuote from: silent tom on February 14, 2025, 10:47:04 AMWith all the emails sent out by SD Game and Fish, I would bet the bank a lot of people applied "just because." And that a lot of permits will go unused.
I didn't look at the particulars about the drawing but based on the above comment, might I assume that folks are not charged the nonresident license fee automatically if they drew?
QuoteYes, you are charged via the card on file...
Based on that, I would guess there aren't a whole lot of folks that would sacrifice the nonresident license fee if they weren't planning on going for sure, assuming they drew. Then again, maybe some would...but this old boy wouldn't do that. :D
Quote from: GobbleNut on February 14, 2025, 12:49:25 PMQuote from: GobbleNut on February 14, 2025, 12:35:24 PMQuote from: silent tom on February 14, 2025, 10:47:04 AMWith all the emails sent out by SD Game and Fish, I would bet the bank a lot of people applied "just because." And that a lot of permits will go unused.
I didn't look at the particulars about the drawing but based on the above comment, might I assume that folks are not charged the nonresident license fee automatically if they drew?
QuoteYes, you are charged via the card on file...
Based on that, I would guess there aren't a whole lot of folks that would sacrifice the nonresident license fee if they weren't planning on going for sure, assuming they drew. Then again, maybe some would...but this old boy wouldn't do that. :D
There will be more and more folks get tags they never hunt as more areas and states become draw. Especially draws months in advance. Things happen, life gets in the way, etc. The tags are still cheap enough its not the end of the world if you miss the hunt. Its getting harder and harder to successfully plan spring turkey trips with all the new draws and non-resident restrictions. So the hardcore avid travelers apply and snatch up tags they may or may not hunt. Its better to have a tag in your pocket and not hunt it than need a tag and not have it.
As far as the comment about all the e-mails creating more applicants. It generates some FOMO = Fear of Missing Out. Look at what has happened with Nebraska non-resident tags. Sold out in like 30 hours this year. Took a few weeks the year before. Almost 2 months the first year. These tags are bought in January and some folks don't plan to go until May. Oh yeah, can't forget the extra revenue SD gets by getting more application fees and selling preference points.
Personally, I've already been buying and applying for tags that I may or may not make to hunt. When I saw the Nebraska rush, I panicked (FOMO) and bought one not knowing if I'm even going to make it or not. Because I don't know if i'm gonna draw Kansas! Perfect example of how it can play out. Kansas draw results could dictate whether I end up heading west or east this spring from my home state. Worst case, I spent a couple hundred bucks to save a gobbler.
Several in my turkey hunting circle also are snatching up tags already they may or may not even hunt. Its just the name of the game now. If you are serious about it, its what you gotta do in certain regions of the country.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on February 14, 2025, 01:03:56 PMQuote from: GobbleNut on February 14, 2025, 12:49:25 PMBased on that, I would guess there aren't a whole lot of folks that would sacrifice the nonresident license fee if they weren't planning on going for sure, assuming they drew. Then again, maybe some would...but this old boy wouldn't do that. :D
There will be more and more folks get tags they never hunt as more areas and states become draw. Especially draws months in advance. Things happen, life gets in the way, etc. The tags are still cheap enough its not the end of the world if you miss the hunt. Its getting harder and harder to successfully plan spring turkey trips with all the new draws and non-resident restrictions. So the hardcore avid travelers apply and snatch up tags they may or may not hunt. Its better to have a tag in your pocket and not hunt it than need a tag and not have it.
As far as the comment about all the e-mails creating more applicants. It generates some FOMO = Fear of Missing Out. Look at what has happened with Nebraska non-resident tags. Sold out in like 30 hours this year. Took a few weeks the year before. Almost 2 months the first year. These tags are bought in January and some folks don't plan to go until May. Oh yeah, can't forget the extra revenue SD gets by getting more application fees and selling preference points.
Personally, I've already been buying and applying for tags that I may or may not make to hunt. When I saw the Nebraska rush, I panicked (FOMO) and bought one not knowing if I'm even going to make it or not. Because I don't know if i'm gonna draw Kansas! Perfect example of how it can play out. Kansas draw results could dictate whether I end up heading west or east this spring from my home state. Worst case, I spent a couple hundred bucks to save a gobbler.
Several in my turkey hunting circle also are snatching up tags already they may or may not even hunt. Its just the name of the game now. If you are serious about it, its what you gotta do in certain regions of the country.
It would be interesting to know just how many turkey hunters fit in the category of folks like yourself and your buddies that will spend a couple of hundred bucks on the off-chance they might go hunting somewhere....and possibly do that in a number of states. I just can't imagine there are significant numbers of folks that are in that category. Then again, maybe so...
For me personally, there are just too many places to go turkey hunting that have OTC tags to worry about the current states that are limiting nonresident permit numbers. Granted, that is changing on a yearly basis, it seems, but I will probably be out of the turkey hunting business well before I can't make the choice to hunt as many OTC states as I want every year. I guess I am just not all that choosey about where I go to do that.
Improvise, adapt and overcome. Maybe some day hunting will get less popular, but probably wont anytime soon. As Mr Owens eludes to in that video description, you can sit around and complain and make excuses or go out and do the work and see what happens. Or make the decision to stay home or go somewhere else.
BH in particular is such a pretty area that I look at it as a nice trip with my daughter and pay an extra $150 or so to hike around with a shotgun
We can improvise. Adapt. And overcome as long as states chill with the quotas and non resident regulations. The noose is getting tighter every year on the traveling hunter. When you've only traveled in the loose lip YouTube era it's hard to have a good perspective on what we had. I used to have 10 otc tags in my pocket mid March just a handful of years ago....Cheers
It's hard not to reminisce of the 'good old days', but in the end, it doesn't do any good -need to figure out new ways to do it everyyear. I've been hunting for 38 years seen a lot over that time!
Quote from: GobbleNut on February 14, 2025, 12:49:25 PMQuote from: GobbleNut on February 14, 2025, 12:35:24 PMQuote from: silent tom on February 14, 2025, 10:47:04 AMWith all the emails sent out by SD Game and Fish, I would bet the bank a lot of people applied "just because." And that a lot of permits will go unused.
I didn't look at the particulars about the drawing but based on the above comment, might I assume that folks are not charged the nonresident license fee automatically if they drew?
QuoteYes, you are charged via the card on file...
Based on that, I would guess there aren't a whole lot of folks that would sacrifice the nonresident license fee if they weren't planning on going for sure, assuming they drew. Then again, maybe some would...but this old boy wouldn't do that. :D
You can return your license as long as you do so prior to the 26th when season starts. Full refund. SD does this for all limited draw entries. Probably a fair amount of guys that now will apply, and if schedules dont work out just send it back and you get your money back...no risk. Wonder if they publish how many get returned....
Quote from: tbowers on February 21, 2025, 01:43:26 PMQuote from: GobbleNut on February 14, 2025, 12:49:25 PMQuote from: GobbleNut on February 14, 2025, 12:35:24 PMQuote from: silent tom on February 14, 2025, 10:47:04 AMWith all the emails sent out by SD Game and Fish, I would bet the bank a lot of people applied "just because." And that a lot of permits will go unused.
I didn't look at the particulars about the drawing but based on the above comment, might I assume that folks are not charged the nonresident license fee automatically if they drew?
QuoteYes, you are charged via the card on file...
Based on that, I would guess there aren't a whole lot of folks that would sacrifice the nonresident license fee if they weren't planning on going for sure, assuming they drew. Then again, maybe some would...but this old boy wouldn't do that. :D
You can return your license as long as you do so prior to the 26th when season starts. Full refund. SD does this for all limited draw entries. Probably a fair amount of guys that now will apply, and if schedules dont work out just send it back and you get your money back...no risk. Wonder if they publish how many get returned....
I will be surprised if that policy is not changed under the new nonresident-draw system. We'll see. At a minimum, there should be a "re-draw" system put in place wherein if the license is not purchased within a certain timeframe that the permit goes to the first individual below the "cut line".
NM used to have a similar system where people could apply for permits but were not required to buy the license if they drew. Too much "gaming" of the system, as well as concerns that anti-hunters were applying for permits (for $7, as I recall) with no intention of using them...just taking them out of the hands of actual hunters that would.
Our G&F Department finally wised up. Now, if someone applies for a permit and draws, they are automatically charged for the license with no refund allowance (except for some very specific exceptions). That stops a lot of the shenanigans people tend to play.
Just like said previously. I will guarantee several of those BH permits went to people that have 0 intention in hunting but only intent to save a turkey.
Great system .
Prairie permits are still available , I believe. One of these days I would like to try one of those areas. My daughter has turkeys where she lives in SD but its not open to non residents.
I have a funny story from last year. I sent her a trumpet call to play with. She was out shooting her bow on the wildlife area range and Gobblers were sounding off. She wanted to try and call one in and couldn't get any sound out of the trumpet. So she called my cell and said, I can't get this call to work. She says," I have blew and blew on it and get no sound". I chuckled and realized she had never seen a trumpet used. I had a wing bone in my truck so I told her to wait and I'd show her on a face time call. I got the wingbone out and showed her how to place it and huff air back through it. At my first demonstration (standing beside my truck) a gobbler answers on the hill above me and I Go, Holy crap a bird just answered". I quickly handed the phone over to my wife and grabbed my gun and vest and took off. Fifteen minutes later I was back with a nice gobbler. Oh yeah she lives along the Missouri River in South Dakota and I am in Ohio.
Be cool if they do like ID and other states that allow returns, and have a sale of all returned licenses a week or so prior to season. On those the sale is final. In the current system, there could be 500 licenses returned(who knows) and they dont reallocate them. I of course hope for that since I have a tag and plan to go
Quote from: arkrem870 on December 10, 2024, 08:56:08 PMDo different....man social media is wrecking hunting. Arkansas duck hunting is absolutely crazy now and the cameras are a major problem.
It's the same with turkey hunting. Pimping a public resource for profit is the lowest form of hunter. Yet fools celebrate these guys because they simply don't know any better. I have no love for any of them. The pennies they've made has been paid 1000 times in lost opportunity for the public Hunter. And it's only getting started. Like and subscribe to your own demise
yeah I don't think those guys are good for hunting.They are all over the place.
Quote from: silent tom on February 13, 2025, 10:23:55 AMQuote from: Dtrkyman on February 13, 2025, 10:11:34 AMA particular state I hunt each spring is an absolute rodeo on the opener, I really don't think it has anything to do with social media, most folks are locals.
Concentrated turkeys where a lot of people know they are is a problem!
However I have found a few off the beaten path spots and have been able to kill birds, but if you go to the obvious spots it just isn't any fun! More issues with slob hunters than I have ever seen, unfortunately it is becoming the norm in most places.
Go back and review the number of tags sold then look at the dates of the videos that are posted in this thread. Agree
Youtubers/Social media attention seekers are not solely to blame, but DO bear the biggest burden of what has happened in the last 8 years or so. Other than to personally profit, there is no reason to name states. Much less the spots that have been blatantly given up.
All for what? So a handful of guys can get "likes". Get a job like the rest of us.
I'll hunt a minimum of a dozen states this year and no one outside of close friends will know a thing. If you are hunting for the right reasons, it's not necessary to broadcast your every move for attention.