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Title: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: vaturkey on July 14, 2011, 03:31:46 PM
(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab7/Gobln2/001-17.jpg?t=1310671318)

I bought this Rem 1187 new in the early 80's. This was my main turkey gun until I bought my Benelli. Do any of you folks know what camo pattern this is ? I havent seen this pattern on any of the new Remingtons. Thanks

   vaturkey   :newmascot:
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: gatrkyhntr70 on July 14, 2011, 03:36:09 PM
Mossy oak greenleaf!!! Love that stuff!!!
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: vaturkey on July 14, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
Quote from: gatrkyhntr70 on July 14, 2011, 03:36:09 PM
Mossy oak greenleaf!!! Love that stuff!!!

Thanks gatrkyhntr70

Does mossy oak still make this pattern ? I want to have the scope dipped to match .    :newmascot:                                                                       
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: drenalinld on July 14, 2011, 04:14:25 PM
One of my favorites for Spring as well. I don't think they still make it, but I bet some custom dippers can produce it.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: ManshipPlantation on July 14, 2011, 04:29:12 PM
It will be difficult to find a dealer that has that pattern for dipping!

There is some talk around Mossy Oak that they may bring back some of the vintage camo patterns in select clothing lines.  ie the "Vintage" MO Bottomland Camo they did a few years back.

IMO Mossy Oak's eariliest patterns were some of their most effective one. (Bottomland, Greenleaf, Fall and Full Foilage, etc.) Now days everything has to be HD and 3D, what happen to the sticks and dirt idea, that MO was founded on?
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: gatrkyhntr70 on July 14, 2011, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: ManshipPlantation on July 14, 2011, 04:29:12 PM
It will be difficult to find a dealer that has that pattern for dipping!

There is some talk around Mossy Oak that they may bring back some of the vintage camo patterns in select clothing lines.  ie the "Vintage" MO Bottomland Camo they did a few years back.

IMO Mossy Oak's eariliest patterns were some of their most effective one. (Bottomland, Greenleaf, Fall and Full Foilage, etc.) Now days everything has to be HD and 3D, what happen to the sticks and dirt idea, that MO was founded on?


X2; it would probally be nearly impossible; If one of these dipping companies would do the old patterns I bet they would get a god bit of bussiness. I was told that tarjac is the one that did these original patterns. I cant swear to it though.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: drenalinld on July 14, 2011, 04:40:37 PM
You don't want that old out of date scatter gun with an obsolete pattern. Send it my way.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: rempumpman on July 14, 2011, 05:38:56 PM
Mossyoak;

Can't find it anymore but I WILL GLADLY BUY THAT GUN FROM YOU RIGHT NOW....................rem
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: kdog on July 14, 2011, 08:44:01 PM
Brings back vivid memories the first few years of Mossy Oaks existance,,,,,i believe i still have a light spring jacket that i bought way back then.

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j222/kdog2fish/00f81592.jpg)

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j222/kdog2fish/79ce9758.jpg)

Yep still have the jacket and heres a better look at the pattern.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: natman on July 15, 2011, 12:48:55 PM
That's a classic Mossy Oak all right, but I think this pattern was called "Full Foliage". Greenleaf had smaller leaves like the jacket shown.
http://www.mossyoak.com/content/PastAndPresent.aspx

Good luck finding a dipper with that pattern in stock, it's been out of fashion for roughly a quarter century. If you run across a dipper with Realtree Xtra Brown, drop me a PM.

Best of luck.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: ManshipPlantation on July 15, 2011, 01:09:40 PM
No thats Greenleaf on the gun, the leaves look bigger bc the stretch in the dipping process. Full foilage had huge white oak leaves and was a lighter shade of green.

This is the closest thing you may find to match: HC 540
http://www.duckvilleimaging.com/film-gallery/22-hunting-camo-film-gallery

As for the Realtree Extra Brown, ask and you shall receive:
http://www.tarjac.com/PatternImages/Extra%20Grey%20II%20%20(Special%20Order).html
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: Grunt-N-Gobble on July 15, 2011, 01:56:27 PM
Weather its Greenleaf or Full Foliage, it really doesn't matter.  Both patterens are pretty close to each other.

I'll say this......... Back when it was popular, a hunting buddy of mine had the Full Foliage outfit and in early archery season, he would just disappear in the woods.  It didn't matter if he was on the ground or up in a tree.  Those large green leafs broke-up his outline so well, if I didn't keep my eye on him as he slowly walked through the woods, I'd loose track of where he was when he stopped moving.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: Preacher on July 15, 2011, 01:56:38 PM
The old reeltree green leaf was good too.   I bought a pair of full-foliage mo pants ,  (fall) and a green leaf top , top shelf stuff for sure.


I was going to post an old picture,  but cant find one .
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: honker22 on July 15, 2011, 02:12:59 PM
Looks real similar to my turkey slayer.  I love this pattern.

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n167/dustmac22/870%20Turkey%20Killer/turkeygun001.jpg)
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: hookedspur on July 15, 2011, 03:28:27 PM
Quote from: gatrkyhntr70 on July 14, 2011, 03:36:09 PM
Mossy oak greenleaf!!! Love that stuff!!!
me 2
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: kdog on July 15, 2011, 03:35:23 PM
I recently bought a 11-87 with the old Jim Crumley TreBark camo on it and i couldnt find a dipper that had the camo.I then called jim Crumleys camo dipping company and they said its no longer in existance.On my gun they actually shrunk the pattern when they made the camo dipping material,,,,in this case i believe the pattern was enlarged because that certainly looks like greenleaf to me,,,,Back in the day i also had Bottomland,and full fullage outfits.The fall fullage was the same as full fullage just with the leaves brown not green.

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j222/kdog2fish/8c1392aa.jpg)

You can see how the pattern was shrunk on my 11-87,,,,on camo it was a much larger pattern
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: rempumpman on July 15, 2011, 05:39:02 PM
OK fellows, sombody is goin' to have to sell me one of these guns; which one of ya'll wants to sell?...................... :fud:...................rem


Let me know.......please
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: kdog on July 15, 2011, 06:56:17 PM
Your name says your a pump man so my 11-87 wont work for you  :TooFunny:  sorry!!!

On a more serious note i absolutely luv these Remmys in these older camo patterns,,,theres just something very vintage ,nostalgic about them that just wreaks turkey hunting.I got lucky and found mine at a local Gander Mountain in the used gun section.I think there pretty hard to find,, most date back to the early to mid 90's and earlier.  If i fall across another you bet im going to jump on it.

Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: gatrkyhntr70 on July 15, 2011, 08:37:35 PM
Quote from: honker22 on July 15, 2011, 02:12:59 PM
Looks real similar to my turkey slayer.  I love this pattern.

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n167/dustmac22/870%20Turkey%20Killer/turkeygun001.jpg)

I would love to find one just like that one!!
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: gobbler74 on July 15, 2011, 08:49:32 PM
Greenleaf..great pattern
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee288/gobbler74/gun%20pics/IMG_0055.jpg)
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: gatrkyhntr70 on July 15, 2011, 09:00:23 PM
Quote from: gobbler74 on July 15, 2011, 08:49:32 PM
Greenleaf..great pattern
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee288/gobbler74/gun%20pics/IMG_0055.jpg)

show off :whip2:
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: gobbler74 on July 15, 2011, 09:03:25 PM
 :TooFunny:

Workin on another one of those "garage deals" I will let you know how goes
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: kdog on July 15, 2011, 09:30:24 PM
I'd luv to have ONE of those greenleaf Remmys but to have THREE just isn't fair!!!! Spread the wealth brother  :z-guntootsmiley: My TreeBark 11-87 needs a sidekick and I couldn't think of a better partner than one of those greenleaf Remmys  :happy0064:

Those look awesome guys,,thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: woodchip on July 15, 2011, 11:20:48 PM
WOW,  I love those old school patterns!!
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: rempumpman on July 16, 2011, 12:27:56 AM
gatrkyhntr70.......that aint right bro to come on here and make an ol' man start drulin' on his computer.... :OGturkeyhead:....lol; great looking remy's you got there....congrats;

It almost seems that Mossy Oak would bring that one back especially if the turkeys hunters unite and start demanding them to do so; what a great pattern; thanks to all who have posted pictures;

No telling how many chances I have passed up back in the 90's on buying that camo on guns and clothes.......... :angry9:; wish I had a closet full of NOTHING but camo on all of my hunting clothes and guns;

Oh well, you live and learn.......................rem
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: rempumpman on July 16, 2011, 12:33:11 AM
gobbler74.......................congrats on being one of the smart ones and hanging on to those remingtons in that camo.............................makes me sick to think that I owned the same pump back in the day and was dumb enough to sell it...........rem
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: natman on July 17, 2011, 05:30:33 AM
Quote from: ManshipPlantation on July 15, 2011, 01:09:40 PM
No thats Greenleaf on the gun, the leaves look bigger bc the stretch in the dipping process. Full foilage had huge white oak leaves and was a lighter shade of green.

Gun is Full Foliage:
(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab7/Gobln2/001-17.jpg?t=1310671318)
(http://www.mossyoak.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/294-full%20foliage.jpg)
Jacket is Green Leaf:
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j222/kdog2fish/79ce9758.jpg)
(http://www.mossyoak.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/294-greenleaf.jpg)
Quote from: ManshipPlantation on July 15, 2011, 01:09:40 PMThis is the closest thing you may find to match: HC 540
http://www.duckvilleimaging.com/film-gallery/22-hunting-camo-film-gallery

As for the Realtree Extra Brown, ask and you shall receive:
http://www.tarjac.com/PatternImages/Extra%20Grey%20II%20%20(Special%20Order).html

Close, but the pattern shown is Realtree Xtra Grey, not Realtree Xtra Brown. In Realtree's strange nomenclature, the pattern with brown leaves is "Grey" and the identical pattern with green leaves is "Brown".

Thanks nevertheless.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: kdog on July 17, 2011, 10:20:29 AM
No Big limbs on the gun pattern and the fact that ive never seen or heard of a full fullage or fall fall fullage factory dipped Remington shotgun undoubtedly make it Greenleaf.Remington did do runs in the Jim Crumley trebark and Mossy oak bottomland and Greenleaf patterns.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: gatrkyhntr70 on July 17, 2011, 12:50:13 PM
Quote from: kdog on July 17, 2011, 10:20:29 AM
No Big limbs on the gun pattern and the fact that ive never seen or heard of a full fullage or fall fall fullage factory dipped Remington shotgun undoubtedly make it Greenleaf.Remington did do runs in the Jim Crumley trebark and Mossy oak bottomland and Greenleaf patterns.

X2, its greenleaf. i owned one of these guns back in the days. There werent any remingtons dipped in full foliage. Im not sure if there were any guns dipped in full foliage.
It was also an incredible pattern too.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: natman on July 18, 2011, 05:09:48 AM
Quote from: natman on July 17, 2011, 05:30:33 AM
Quote from: ManshipPlantation on July 15, 2011, 01:09:40 PM
No thats Greenleaf on the gun, the leaves look bigger bc the stretch in the dipping process. Full foilage had huge white oak leaves and was a lighter shade of green.

(http://www.mossyoak.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/294-greenleaf.jpg)
(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab7/Gobln2/001-17.jpg?t=1310671318)
(http://www.mossyoak.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/294-full%20foliage.jpg)


Ok, after careful examination I notice that despite the similarity in the leaves, the Full Foliage has a grey branch component that the gun doesn't and that if you enlarged the heck out of the Greenleaf it would in fact resemble the gun. So I'll make it unanimous: the gun is Greenleaf.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: FullChoke on July 18, 2011, 09:29:01 AM
Good call on re-identifying the pattern.

Bold, bare limbs were added to the Bottomland pattern to make the Treestand camo. Leaves were then added to the Treestand camo to make the base pattern for both the Full Foliage and the Fall Foliage. The difference, as stated before, was simply the color of the leaves.

BTW, have you ever seen Mossy Oaks Upland camo pattern? It was the companion camo to Bottomland and had much more of a grey element to it, but still the same pattern.

FullChoke
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: honker22 on July 18, 2011, 04:32:00 PM
Quote from: gatrkyhntr70 on July 15, 2011, 08:37:35 PM
Quote from: honker22 on July 15, 2011, 02:12:59 PM
Looks real similar to my turkey slayer.  I love this pattern.

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n167/dustmac22/870%20Turkey%20Killer/turkeygun001.jpg)

I would love to find one just like that one!!

ga- I've always said that everything I have is always "for sale"... but I'm not sure anyone could offer me enough for this.  This thing has 15 years of stories to tell.  I have no idea how many turkeys I've killed but all of them have fallen to this old warrior.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: gatrkyhntr70 on July 18, 2011, 05:12:41 PM
Quote from: honker22 on July 18, 2011, 04:32:00 PM
Quote from: gatrkyhntr70 on July 15, 2011, 08:37:35 PM
Quote from: honker22 on July 15, 2011, 02:12:59 PM
Looks real similar to my turkey slayer.  I love this pattern.

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n167/dustmac22/870%20Turkey%20Killer/turkeygun001.jpg)

I would love to find one just like that one!!

ga- I've always said that everything I have is always "for sale"... but I'm not sure anyone could offer me enough for this.  This thing has 15 years of stories to tell.  I have no idea how many turkeys I've killed but all of them have fallen to this old warrior.

Buddy I hear ya and thats probally the very reason ya dont see many of them up for sale. Sounds like a priceless gun you have there :icon_thumright:
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: Preacher on July 19, 2011, 10:17:00 PM
Fullchoke , back about 20 or so years ago , I had a turkey hunting jacket in the Mossy oak Hill country,  It looked just like a pine tree,  had a slight off gray tent.   Bob Dixion was working for mossy oak in westpoint,  he walked though the "seconds shop"   where the regects where sold at cheaper prices  , we got to talking , he suggested the jacket ,  man I loved that thing,  .   I got to fat for it and gave to a young guy who still wears it today.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: FullChoke on July 20, 2011, 07:21:20 AM
Quote from: Preacher on July 19, 2011, 10:17:00 PM
Fullchoke , back about 20 or so years ago , I had a turkey hunting jacket in the Mossy oak Hill country,  It looked just like a pine tree,  had a slight off gray tent.   Bob Dixion was working for mossy oak in westpoint,  he walked though the "seconds shop"   where the regects where sold at cheaper prices  , we got to talking , he suggested the jacket ,  man I loved that thing,  .   I got to fat for it and gave to a young guy who still wears it today.
You're right, Hill Country, was the correct name of it. I actually saw it in that same section of MO in West Point.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: Fullfan on July 20, 2011, 08:06:26 AM
I have one of each.
I have had the MO BL 11-87 for 20 some years, and like others have said " if she only could talk...
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/slickr1/1187.jpg)
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: Preacher on July 20, 2011, 03:20:03 PM
Fullfan, those are 2 fine weapons,   I would be willing to bet money would not touch them.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: kdog on July 20, 2011, 06:47:13 PM
just found this on Guns America if anyone is interested in a Vintage TreBark 11-87

http://www.gunsamerica.com/959953000/Guns/Shotguns/Remington-Shotguns/Autoloaders/Hunting/Remington_11_87_SP_Turkey_gun.htm#
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: Fullfan on July 20, 2011, 10:53:33 PM
Quote from: Preacher on July 20, 2011, 03:20:03 PM
Fullfan, those are 2 fine weapons,   I would be willing to bet money would not touch them.

Sir you have that right.....
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: surehuntsalot on July 20, 2011, 11:32:44 PM
some fine looking turkey weapons on here

don't have any of the "old school" Mossy Oak camo guns, but do have an "old school" Realtree camoed 835
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/sr5865/S4021407.jpg)
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/sr5865/S2010188_0022.jpg)
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: Rhino0018 on August 02, 2011, 08:02:35 PM
Quote from: kdog on July 15, 2011, 03:35:23 PM
I recently bought a 11-87 with the old Jim Crumley TreBark camo on it and i couldnt find a dipper that had the camo.I then called jim Crumleys camo dipping company and they said its no longer in existance.On my gun they actually shrunk the pattern when they made the camo dipping material,,,,in this case i believe the pattern was enlarged because that certainly looks like greenleaf to me,,,,Back in the day i also had Bottomland,and full fullage outfits.The fall fullage was the same as full fullage just with the leaves brown not green.

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j222/kdog2fish/8c1392aa.jpg)

You can see how the pattern was shrunk on my 11-87,,,,on camo it was a much larger pattern
Kdog, I have the same gun and I'm having a heck of a time trying to get rid of it here in MN.....Mine has a Truglo red/green dot on it with a Kicks GT choke in her. Its in mint condition, maybe 10 rounds through it, and nobody will take it in on a trade.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: TANK on May 01, 2014, 10:32:06 PM
I have a vintage Rem 870 in "Original Bottomland" with rifle sights I will sell for $475 if anyone is interested. That's what I paid for it....12 ga with a 21 in barrel & Monte Carlo stock.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: turkey buster on February 22, 2015, 09:04:18 PM
Where can you get a scope base like that
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: RemingtonRules on February 22, 2015, 09:56:42 PM
Holy tales from the crypt.  This thread got resurrected.
Title: Re: What Camo Pattern Is This 1187
Post by: turkey buster on February 22, 2015, 10:00:55 PM
Sorry. Lol!  I want a mount for my gun that matches