Maybe this is a dumb question but can you shoot a choke out? What I'm asking is after so many rounds and years of shooting tss through a choke can it not be as tight of a constriction or better off not patterning as well is it once was in the beginning?
I hope that William [Sumtoy] will be along soon. He will have good information and factual as well. He is a wealth of knowledge.
I have a little bit of information about them. It would take a great deal of shooting to mess up the patterns. I have a few Indian Creek chokes. One that I bought approximately 20 years ago, you can definitely see the difference in that one and a new one. For along time I put lead, no telling how many pounds of Hevi 13, a mega truck load of Nitro'- not the Remington Nitro. There was also a Federal load can't remember the name though. And now I shoot TSS alot of it. The inside of the choke looks like I run a drill bit through it. The inside steps are chewed up. Which doesn't take a lot of shooting with "the hard stuff" to do that. The old choke still holds a pattern but not near close to old patterns with the same one. But it still kills turkeys
The only choke that been shot a lot and doesn't look messed up is a PURE GOLD 670 in my Browning that has angled holes drill, supposedly that slows down the wad. The choke is still just as good as new. No scarring/scratches.
I just received a new Sumtoy and I have a old one too. Nothing has effected these so far. I think that his tubes are tough as well 20 gauge 562; I believe that it has 7 or 8 steps and the muzzle end of it looks like a 12 point socket!!!! BUT HIGHEST NUMBER I HAVE SEEN PATTERN WISE.
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Will it yes. The harder the shot the faster. T$$ is ruff on choke and the more folks play with the bigger the loads the faster it gets. The bigger the loads the more the choke gets beat up. Now I tell folks if you worry about mess up gun or choke dont shoot anything but lead. Now the choke I say shoot it until the pattern goes away. If it is scratched or beat up and patterns why buy another. I like to sale them but if it works why change.
Now for the ones that say harder shot not hurt or wear out... WHY YOU CHANGE YOUR LAWN MOWER BLADES.
Always wondered about this myself.Now we have the answer.
Thanks Mr William for your input!!! Also heavy payloads not required. I saw the other day that someone is making a 2 ounce 20 gauge load!ยก!! I think that is pushing it!!! Someone's gun is going to get tore up from the floor up!!!!
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That's a good point. I cringe when I think of the chamber pressure when you push up to 2 ounces of buffered TSS in a 20 bore. That's a heavy load for a 12 much less 20.
I had an Indian Creek that had about 4 seasons on it, those wad catchers looked like someone took a ballpeen hammer to them. Fortunately something happened to that choke and the threads got weird, it would screw in a couple turns then get tight and then loose again, they replaced it!
Think I will be sticking with a smooth internal choke from now on.
Quote from: Dtrkyman on March 06, 2024, 03:46:12 PM
I had an Indian Creek that had about 4 seasons on it, those wad catchers looked like someone took a ballpeen hammer to them. Fortunately something happened to that choke and the threads got weird, it would screw in a couple turns then get tight and then loose again, they replaced it!
Think I will be sticking with a smooth internal choke from now on.
Yes indeed!! Your choke "swoll" UP!!! That is what I have seen happen!!! Want to ruin a gun? Get you some Tru-chokes especially a 570-575 and run about 5, 1 5/8 TSS through it. More than likely you will not have to unscrew it very far, it will turn it inside out.
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So I guess another crazy question would be. If the chokes wears out faster with TSS, would the barrel also?
How many" years of life would a choke get with normal turkey hunting wear if you shot a couple rounds to check pre-season and 4 or 5 during a season? (FWIW, that's a lot of shooting of TSS for me. I might shoot 5 rounds per season around here.) I am sure some shoot many more rounds than that.....
Quote from: jhoward11 on March 08, 2024, 12:01:08 PM
So I guess another crazy question would be. If the chokes wears out faster with TSS, would the barrel also?
It is more the take down then anything. The Forcing cone in some guns get beat up. Then the choke starts to compress the shot some leave the wad and it starts to beat on the choke. Now over choke can swell choke, pull threads in barrel or on choke. On the other hand if shot gets out the wad it will scratch the barrel. That is why some of the hand load guys wrap the mylar. The bigger the pay load the more abuse the gun takes. It like your car you drive normal with maintenance it last. You drive it like you trying to get away from game warden :goofball: all the time it not last as long. I see more of the gun trouble in the new guys or Facebook hero's that try to put up numbers. With all the new shell companies ( I see new everyday seems like) they got to have a better rat trap to sale. So numbers are the way to sale. Sometime number come from smaller shot or bigger payloads.
So you go old school hand load guys kill all day long with 15/8 load some smaller then that. So does 13/4 or 2. kill him more dead ??? ??? Duck guys was the ones we had most trouble with because they miss they get bigger shell then smaller choke. I alway said if they had a 2ga and 5 inch shell they buy it then say needed more. :TooFunny:
We had the race cars we see folks spray the car and it gets good to them. 50 good 100 better 150 even better 200 be terrific then 300 be wow but is pow.
Old saying of pay to play comes in. Big thing is be safe.
Yep!!! I was one of those people that tried to get the most in the 10 and I actually succeeded. But now I have totally gone back to even/open choke. Same load, but now I am getting what I want. Great even hunting pattern. With 1 5/8 of 9s and 570 choke tube.
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Quote from: runngun on March 06, 2024, 11:22:23 PM
Quote from: Dtrkyman on March 06, 2024, 03:46:12 PM
I had an Indian Creek that had about 4 seasons on it, those wad catchers looked like someone took a ballpeen hammer to them. Fortunately something happened to that choke and the threads got weird, it would screw in a couple turns then get tight and then loose again, they replaced it!
Think I will be sticking with a smooth internal choke from now on.
Yes indeed!! Your choke "swoll" UP!!! That is what I have seen happen!!! Want to ruin a gun? Get you some Tru-chokes especially a 570-575 and run about 5, 1 5/8 TSS through it. More than likely you will not have to unscrew it very far, it will turn it inside out.
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You lost me on this post, can you please elaborate what you meant. I am shooting a .570 IC and have never heard of a choke that open going bad, especially in five shots. Thanks for the reply.
Tru-chokes are thin walled and I would guess prone to easy damage.
Quote from: Dtrkyman on March 13, 2024, 06:21:58 PM
Tru-chokes are thin walled and I would guess prone to easy damage.
Bingo!!!
I will try and post a picture of one of the tubes later.
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FWIW, I called Indian Creek many years back before the first TSS load I ever used in one and they said that there is no issue with doing so with their chokes.
Quote from: runngun on March 13, 2024, 09:59:47 PM
Quote from: Dtrkyman on March 13, 2024, 06:21:58 PM
Tru-chokes are thin walled and I would guess prone to easy damage.
Bingo!!!
I will try and post a picture of one of the tubes later.
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I personally have never shot any tru-choke tubes. A lot of Trulock, but that is not the same bunch.
I use a bore gauge...
Shooting steel through IC, LM, and modified chokes, and checking them with a bore gauge, there is virtually no difference in constriction in those chokes since 2007 after shooting thousands of rounds through them (at least through my LM).
Lead or Bismuth will not damage a modern barrel... Both materials are soft and malleable.
Steel and tungsten do have the potential to damage a barrel. The thickness of the wads will generally protect from direct abrasive damage, but as the shot does not compress, it can bulge a barrel... (i.e. trying to fit an object through a hole that is too small)
Large shot sizes (as often used for waterfowl) are more likely to cause the barrel to bulge, as are larger payloads (to my understanding), and obviously damage becomes far more likely with tighter choke constriction. I would think it unlikely that shooting #9's to #6 shot sizes would damage most barrels, but I have heard of such happening with some of the super tight turkey chokes being used...
Often when barrel bulge happens you cannot get the choke out of the gun, and I have heard of the compression damaging threads on chokes....
And also remember, that factory or aftermarket chokes are often not marked correctly... My last two gun purchases both had chokes marked incorrectly, and generally if I order a set of chokes from aftermarket chokes, at least one will be off... When ordering chokes, I make it very clear THAT I HAVE A BORE GAUGE AND WILL BE MEASURING THE CHOKES to make sure they are correct... This honestly does seem to reduce mistakes.
Alot depends on the quality of the choke and quality of the barrel steel. I've seen the compression issue first hand where it will seize your choke and ruin the threads in barrel.
Also seen chokes bulge from lead even. Quality control is a big issue on some factory chokes in particular. If they're out of round you're prone to have issues.
The Turkish guns I'll say this. They're not using the highest quality steel. Barrels or chokes. You get what you pay for..