I still love turkey hunting even though I have never shot one on my own. Last spring a close acquaintance who is an accomplished turkey hunter and all around likeable guy offered to help me get a bird. I really appreciate this young man and was curious so I agreed to go with him. I basically followed him around to places he had hunting privileges and knew there were birds. He did everything except when it was time to shoot. We had set up on some birds that were in a field. We were in woods at the edge and I was hiding behind a tree with no view of the birds. He called them up to us and when they were at about 20 yards he told me to step out and shoot. It was a flock of about a dozen and there were turkeys scrambling every which way,. I picked out a red head that was clear and running to my left and shot. It was quick and then over. I had shot a jake though there was a tom in the group that I did not see. That is the story of my first turkey. It may take me several more years to get the next or I may never get another but it will be a bird that I hunt and call in. I don't care about killing. I love the hunt. That experience was not hunting and left me feeling down. If you are struggling to get your first bird maybe my experience will help you persist.
Congratulations on your jake. I don't think there's anything to feel bad about there. Somebody got you on some birds and you harvested a legal bird and didn't wound it or miss. I've been turkey hunting since 1997 and have my fair share of screwups, but again I don't think there's anything to feel bad about with your story. If you want to hold out for a gobbler next that's your call. I'm my honest opinion I think as a brand new turkey hunter it would benefit you to hunt and kill as many legal birds as you can. Experience is the best teacher and each encounter will give you more skills and confidence whether that be a jake or 3 1/2 year old Tom.
Hunting with an experienced hunter who has access to privet property is very much turkey hunting. Turkey shooting is when a guy at work offers to take you "out turkey hunting" and you sit on his front porch and shoot them as they come up to you and brush against your leg.
Thanks for sharing your experience Brillo. I honestly don't think there is anything to feel bad about. Actually, I think it's a good thing that you had the awareness in a hectic moment to pick out a legal bird and make a one-shot, clean kill. I agree with Kentucky Longspur, experience is the best teacher and I would argue that was a good experience for you to build on.
You mentioned twice that you love turkey hunting itself. That's huge to becoming a successful turkey (or deer, or elk) hunter. If you enjoy the 'work' part of it; the scouting, knocking on doors, practice calling, learning from others, and getting out there every moment you can... then you WILL be successful in killing a longbeard through your own decision making and calling.
I'm sure your buddy was tickled pink that you bagged your first turkey, an accomplishment for him as well!!
Even though it was a Jake, there are still many things you can do with your bird. Like, make a wingbone call, arrow fletching, feathers for tying flies, make a fan (I still do for any Jakes I shoot) and even eat it!!
Thanks for the encouragement. It is good to get another perspective that is more positive. No doubt my friend sacrificed an entire morning to help me and I did learn from him so that is all good. Plus, in a backhanded way it might be good that it was a jake and not a tom so I can still look forward to accomplishing that on my own.
Quote from: Brillo on December 10, 2023, 09:59:01 PM
Thanks for the encouragement. It is good to get another perspective that is more positive. No doubt my friend sacrificed an entire morning to help me and I did learn from him so that is all good. Plus, in a backhanded way it might be good that it was a jake and not a tom so I can still look forward to accomplishing that on my own.
It wasnt bushwacking or anything like that so i wouldnt feel bad...
I've always had a rule i wont shoot a jake in the spring, period, or a turkey that i dont feel i called in,but thats just my rule for me. If people hunt legal& are having fun enjoying the great outdoors thats what its all about in my eyes...
Brillo, as I recall, you have started a number of great posts asking good questions in your effort to learn to spring gobbler hunt. Although I agree with the others that you have nothing to feel bad about, I am personally glad that you had some misgivings about your first successful hunt. It seems to me that you already realize that the hunting experience is more than just pulling the trigger. In my opinion, that is a good thing.
On a more positive note, it sounds like you were able to get a glimpse of how to go about hunting gobblers in the spring in terms of the approach taken, and the tactics used both in positioning and calling. Sounds like you got some valuable lessons...in more ways than one. :) :icon_thumright:
The experience you outlined has happened to most of us. Multiple birds coming in can get "chaotic" to say the least. The fact you had a clean harvest on a male turkey makes your hunt a success. Your love for the hunt itself is not a bad thing. I myself do get moments after I harvest a gobbler, especially after a few days of pursuing him knowing I can never chase him again. Keep enjoying your love for the hunt and the sport itself. Whatever quarry you choose to harvest lies solely on your decision in the moment. You'll find that that alone will lead to many years of enjoyment in the spring woods. Good luck!
My first turkey was gobbling in a field out of sight. I followed the cat road to the field and about 2/3 of the way there I was going around a huge tree as the road made a 90 degree turn around the tree with the tree to my left, he was coming around the tree with the tree to his right. We bumped into each other at about 5 feet distance and I shot him, a jake with a 3.5 inch beard and 3/4" spurs, in the back of the head at about 10 feet on a dead run away from me. I was spring bear hunting and had my shotgun in the truck just in case I saw a turkey.
The point of this story is that even though this wasn't even a turkey hunt and it lasted about 15 minutes, It still was a turkey experience and my first bird. I learned many lessons from that one experience that I could incorporate into turkey hunting later on. Since then, I have taken turkeys on "easy hunts" and on "epic hunts" and I have walked away with valuable experiences from all of them.
This hunt that you did, was an experience that you can use to build on. Each experience no matter how insignificant it may seem, will contain a nugget that you can use as you build a successful turkey hunting career.
Don't feel too bad about that jake. You set out to take a bird and did.
But obviously you know there is more to turkey hunting than what you experienced. The absolute thrill of a gobbler working in to your calling is worth the time and effort it takes to make it happen. Practice your calling, Do all the scouting you can and go enjoy the spring this year. I recommend a video called "So You Want To Be A Turkey Hunter". It's a great video for those just starting.
Turkey hunting is learning from mistakes you may have made in the pass, it has happen to all of use so just keep trying and learning from your mistakes and one day it will all come together for you in the future ... Good luck this Spring ....
Hunting, The practice of seeking, Pursuing, Capturing, or killing wildlife. By your own story, you went hunting! If you think your hunt is always going to turn out the way you want it to, you will have a long miserable hunting life. You sought out the birds, pursued them and killed one. Sounds like a successful hunt to me. Congrats!
It being a jake is meaningless, especially as your first bird. Most turkey hunters I know are not "trophy" guys or gals. For most of the hardcore hunters, the bird that plays the game is the trophy. I have twice shot the lesser beard of multiple birds I called in because that bird played the game (boss bird, gobbling and strutting, etc). My son in law shot his third bird ever this year that I called in for him and it came in gobbling and strutting. I told him it was a jake and I chose not to shoot it, but he should. He felt a little bad and I said not to. The bird played the game. He also got to see me chose to let one go so he learned that as he has taken more, it is less about the shot. Play by your own rules, whatever they may be and you will enjoy it moregoing forward.
Quote from: GobbleNut on December 11, 2023, 12:03:42 AM
Brillo, as I recall, you have started a number of great posts asking good questions in your effort to learn to spring gobbler hunt. Although I agree with the others that you have nothing to feel bad about, I am personally glad that you had some misgivings about your first successful hunt. It seems to me that you already realize that the hunting experience is more than just pulling the trigger. In my opinion, that is a good thing.
On a more positive note, it sounds like you were able to get a glimpse of how to go about hunting gobblers in the spring in terms of the approach taken, and the tactics used both in positioning and calling. Sounds like you got some valuable lessons...in more ways than one. :) :icon_thumright:
Once again Gobblenut , exactly how I feel, articulately expressed.
Brillo, for you, your first really meaningful turkey has to be on your own terms, shooting a Jake has nothing to do with the negativity you're feeling. You were a spectator in the hunt, and that's not what you want. But remember you have to learn somehow, keep at it, your day will come
A great turkey hunt doesn't always involve killing a turkey. If you have misgivings about taking an animal's life, try hunting with a camera. It still takes skill, stealth, calling, and getting close to your quarry. It's everything but the BOOM. You'll have to worry more about lighting and backdrop, but it can be equally as challenging.
I practice calling and being still in the woods in state parks before the season starts. It absolutely gets my blood pumping, even though there's no possibility of a shot. Give it a try, then measure your desire for pursuit that costs tags.
Jim
I agree with all the above. I been at this a long time and I can tell you I still don't rule out shooting a jake if he give me a good hunt. I typically don't, but I would if the right scenario came up. I have been an many first kill hunts and there is usually some remorse that the hunter didn't do it themselves. I hope your guide helped explain his strategy as you hunted. I try to share why we're setting up and my calling strategy to new hunters. Still it is no. 1 and something to be proud of and build on. Regret will only lead to mistakes, be content with breaking the ice and go put old longbeard down this spring. It does get easier with experience.
Brillo....I agree with GobbleNut.
But what I sense from your post is that it bothered you that you did not do the 'work' required to bag the bird. Your friend had birds pinned down and knew where to go right off the start. He did the calling and brought them in. You did not even get to watch them respond to the calls and come into range. You just spun around the tree and shot on command.
I think what you need is to work hard (hunt, locate, call in, and out smart a mature gobbler) all on your own. Once you accomplish this you will feel better and proud of your accomplishment. You will have earned that majestic gobbler.
GunRunner
Good points. Why I never would go on a guided hunt where the guide calls in the bird(s). Absolutely no judgement on my part from any that chose to do so, just not my thing. For me (and for me only) a gobbling jake called in to the gun is 10 times the trophy of a guided monster gobbler. Not trying to offend anyone as that is just my take. And my first spring bird was called in by a buddy. But my first bird I did all on my own is the fan in my office. FWIW, I do not count hunting with a buddy where he calls and I squeeze the trigger (or where I call and my buddy shoots) as a guided hunt. That is a TEAM effort and both share in the kill. My point is, make your own ethics and enjoy the hunt.
Guided hunts are not my thing. Hunting with an acquaintance, no matter how well you know them, where you are on their selected area and you are hunting they way they are wanting to hunt, is still hunting and a lot of lessons learned from the experience can be had. I helped a buddy of mine get his first and second toms. I then asked if he was ready to go it alone. He was ready. He got his own property and his first solo turkey. He later told me that those hunts we did and the turkeys we got, the first time we actually doubled, gave him the confidence to go out and make some.good decisions and mistakes on his own and feel good about it. That bird he got solo, a jake, was extra special.
Congrats on getting your first bird. You felt the loss of working and watching the bird. I understand that.
If you go out preseason and call yourself up a dozen or so Toms, you will be more prepared for harvest season. If you educate a few all the better to hone your skills. For many years calling in every Tom in the area preseason was the goal. Man was it fun and taught me a thing or 2 about fooling Tom.
Nothing to be ashamed of. When I started turkey hunting over 40 years ago, I didn't know anyone who knew any more than I did. If I had, I would have been happy to have had the help.
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Nothing to feel bad about brother. You harvested a legal turkey in what seems like a hectic situation especially for your first bird. Congratulations on a job well done.
Brillo, you and I have one thing in common. I shot my last Tom this past spring. Now, I have to wait 3 and a half months to shoot another.
You still have plenty of time to hone some skills and do plenty of scouting. Good luck this spring and I hope you enjoy yourself and the woods.
"My" first 2 turkeys weren't even mine, I did everything but pull the trigger, but it was for my Buddy 1st and my Dad 2nd, the 3rd time it was mine. I have way more turkeys that I have helped others get through Learn to Hunts, Youth Hunts, Charity Hunts, and the other Friends, Family, a few I work with and others I have met. All and all the number of "others" double my numbers, I have fun at it and it helps others get into the steps of it, I have watched other that I have mentored now mentoring others too. this will be my 33rd spring at it and still don't get enough of it, during 8 weeks in spring I am out as much as I can be hunting.
Take your 1st bird as an experience, and you were able to take a bird, it also sounds like for the most of us the "hunt" and all that goes with it is what you will enjoy, killing a bird is just an end result some of those days.
I have been very fortunate in my turkey hunting time so far, and that's why I do what I do, just a passion for it that has also lead to another thing that I enjoy with it in my "FanAtic Turkey Display" work (Side Business) I do, that too started as just a little thing that I did for myself then a friend here and there and has turned into more than I ever thought.
Take the ride, it's a good one and see where that road leads you.
MK M GOBL
We all start somewhere...
Some will disagree, but... Nothing wrong with shooting a jake... You call in a jake, gobbling, drumming, and strutting, it is still exciting... They eat well, and honestly less likely to breed a hen than the toms we are all so eager to shoot... Truth be told, killing toms over jakes is more about social status than conservation.
It is natural that our ethics and experiences evolve as we hunt and learn more... New hunters initially want to kill a bird... Then to call in and kill the bird themselves, and then it is calling in and hunting toms...
Like GobbleNut, I understand that you are a bit disheartened by your experience... But as you play a greater role in harvesting a bird, there is a greater sense of excitement and satisfaction...
Quote from: Marc on January 08, 2024, 12:52:16 AM
We all start somewhere...
Some will disagree, but... Nothing wrong with shooting a jake... You call in a jake, gobbling, drumming, and strutting, it is still exciting... They eat well, and honestly less likely to breed a hen than the toms we are all so eager to shoot... Truth be told, killing toms over jakes is more about social status than conservation.
It is natural that our ethics and experiences evolve as we hunt and learn more... New hunters initially want to kill a bird... Then to call in and kill the bird themselves, and then it is calling in and hunting toms...
Like GobbleNut, I understand that you are a bit disheartened by your experience... But as you play a greater role in harvesting a bird, there is a greater sense of excitement and satisfaction...
I completely agree Marc. If my memory is right this will be my 53rd spring of chasing gobblers. I went through all the stages of this thing and finally discovered I didn't have to impress anyone, but myself. If I am happy with a hunt it is a good hunt. Outside of my closest friends no one even knows if I kill a bird or what I kill. I actually regret many of my seasons when I forsake my family and all life for a da#n turkey. I think my daughter still harbors hurt feelings because her dad was always gone turkey hunting on her birthday, when she was little. I want to go and hear them gobble and then match whits with them. If a jake answers every call and comes in strutting and putting on a show I will consider shooting him with no qualms at all. I typically don't, because I look at Jakes as the future of the flock where an old bird has done his thing and spread his genes. I admit it still is fulfilling to look down on an old manarch and know you beat the best in the woods, but that Jake is no dummy either. Shoot when it makes you happy and tell all the trophy guys to pound sand. Then go home and take your family to dinner, life is better when you just enjoy what your doing.