Mutual Omaha " Wild Kingdom with Marlin Perkins " premiered on TV in 1963 with hoist Merlin Perkins, Jim Fowler and Peter Gros. This show took us places we could only dream about seeing with wild animals in their natural habitats. The show ran from 1963 - 1988. Back in those early days / years it was just exciting to see something of this magnitude on television. Then we had " The American Sportsman " with Curt Gowdy, Joe Foss and Bing Crosby. This show took us to locations all around the world USA, Canada and Africa just to name a few locations. It was the FIRST hunting and fishing show with celebrity participants. These two shows took us all back in those days where we could only dream about seeing much less getting to hunt or fishing in some of these locations. Back in my early years these shows were just as important as going to the local barbershop for a haircut and getting to see the latest issue of Field Stream magazine or Outdoor Life. Another thing i will always remember at the barbershop was after you got your haircut, the barber would always give us 2 pieces of Dubble Bubble chewing gum. So i guess you could say we looked forward to these type of shows and things we remember growing up from kids to men. Now we YouTube, Internet / Forums and Outdoor Channel and Sportsman Channel on TV so i guess we could say the kids and younger generation has a completely different understanding of what the Outdoors is all about now in the year 2023. So regardless of what we think from the old generation to the new hunting / fishing generation there is no turning back to the good old days. So do we blame these first generation of TV Shows or Magazines for what has sparked a interest in the Outdoors or do we now blame YouTube and the Internet for how hunting and fishing has become so commercialized in selling a brand with today's Outdoors. I could go on, but just wanted to share some thoughts about the past / present and now how we think about what has happened to hunting / fishing and the use of public hunting and fishing locations. So Who Do We Blame or Who's at Fault, I really don't think we will ever agree on Who's at Fault ... Old Past TV Shows that started it all or NOW the internet / YouTube hunting / fishing Shows that are mostly self film. I myself enjoy both the days of the past and the new generation of shows and the Internet. But the days of the old Barbershop and free Dubble Bubble chewing gum are long gone. So enclosing, just watch for what you wish for in the future because as we all know generations are changing from the past to now the present.
I didn't bother reading all that, but not too long ago all the talk on most forums was how the TV guys could never do what they did on public land like the common folk!
So yeah be careful what you wish for.
Marlin - While Jim holds the head of the Anaconda and wrestles the alligator, I'm going to have another Martini and get my nails done.
I think it is like all great things in life; it is hard to keep a good thing to yourself. You share that great restaurant with a friend. They share it with two and off it goes. Pretty soon, you can't get a table.
I watched it happen to duck hunting. As a kid, we would launch an aluminum boat in the Cache River in Ark. We would find the ducks, jump the levee and hunt. Nobody cared. Dad would take friends to share his passion. Soon, it was overrun. Now, that place is now a million dollar duck club.
The next step is everyone wanting to make a living off the thing they love. Shows, gear,gimmicks, etc. Many stay true to their values; others feel they need to keep coming up with bigger and better. "Pushing the edge of the envelope". Sometimes it's good for the sport and the hunters. Other times, ......
I think, like in almost all things (duck hunting, redfish fishing, bass fishing, college football, college basketball, etc etc) when you monetize avocations (past times) they turn into vocations (jobs) and when someone figures how to make a buck or two off of it, it is sure to be ruined. I have always maintained that the way to ruin a dog breed is for them to get popular and people start charging stupid amounts of money for purebreds or puremutts. Breeds damaged in my career? Dobe, Rottie, Labrador, Labra/Golden Doodles, Frenchies are the current breed getting bred into ruin. Duck Commander made duck hunting popular and companies were quick to notice. As the pressure to succeed with motion decoys, hyper-realistic decoys, etc. so they could be "experts" and sell their junk to the masses idiots like Jeff Foiles succumbed to the pressure and went beyond legal to keep up the image and therefore the sales. Same is happening turkey hunting with motion decoys, reaping, YouTube channels monetizing hunting, etc. When I first started hunting MS, if you wanted to hunt, you knocked on a door and had about a 25% chance of hearing "go ahead, have fun". Now the farmers are being offered good money to lock up sheetwater to leases and guides (I blame no one, it is money at fault). The farmer's job is making money off the land and if someone is paying them to use idle property, that helps them survive, I do not blame them one bit.
But once money enters the equations from any angle, it changes everything. Right across from Yorkwood Plantation was Federal land that held ducks when the water was high-like right across the levee from the Cox Communication owner's gazillion dollar plantation and I know it burned him to have the unwashed masses shooting "his ducks". So he did a land swap with the Feds who got some other worthless bottomland that had 0 ducks on it and James Kennedy got to keep those ducks to himself and stop access to the public land all while getting YOUR hard earned dollars donated through Ducks Unlimited to enrich his duck plantation.
I can name a dozen other examples in both duck and turkey hunting of similar situations. When searching for the problem, it is always money at the root of it. The old days of selling calls and clothes is giving way to clicks and likes, but at the core, as usual is money.
I remember watching wild America with Marty Stauffer as a kid. Turns out he was cheating and getting his amazing footage on preserves.
As a very young boy, I loved the TV series called "The American Sportsman". Curt Gowdy I believe hosted it. These were real life hunts with celebrities, athletes etc. I remember William Conrad "Frank Cannon" hunting grizzly bears. I dreamed one day of being able to hunt like these guys. These shows are etched in my mind. Yes they were a big influence, driving factor in getting me involved in hunting and fishing. I look back and realize this series was instrumental in my love of the great outdoors........
If I remember correctly that Anaconda almost killed old Jim Fowler and Marlin!
I can remember Curt Gowdy, Bing Crosby and Phil Harris fly fishing and then sitting around the fire with, I'm sure a few adult beverages under their belts. Singing and teasing one another. Brings back great memories. Hard to believe I'm that old...
I own a LP record of Curt Gowdy and the father of modern archery, Fred Bear sitting around a fire, Fred telling hunting stories. Crickets in the background and the fire crackling. I listened to it over and over when I was a kid. I'm 70 now and the record is still playable. Has to be from the early 60's. Maybe I'll play soon for nostalgia. Polar bears covering their black nose with a paw to sneak up on a resting seal story was so neat to this kid.
This post brings back good, good memories. My small town barbershop had Outdoor Life / Field and Stream out front. Playboy in the back!
Loved Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, watched every episode. I remember getting suckers at the barber as well as at the eye doctors.
No matter what avenue, the commercialization of hunting to profit in $$ or other self interests is to blame. It's just ten fold now, as unlimited information is in the palm of our hands with social media platforms. It transcends above magazines, dvds, or even outdoor television. It's on a different level completely, considering access. And it allows for unregulated information sharing. One simple click... no subscriptions needed. Consider that one rotten apple out of a million can wreak havoc. Just one. It should be concerning, but most choose to turn a blind eye or choose to be entertained above all else.
Great post Greg. I've been watching a few Old American Sportsman Episodes. Grainy video, but great commentary and content.....good stuff
I started with American Sportsman also. Evolved into others most likely the Knight and Hale series on both TV and vcr tapes. It isn't going to matter how many scream and kick their feet the YouTube and other "spot burners" are here to stay. Live with it, ban everything you can possibly think of, or adapt. Almost tired of arguing it. It is a useless flight of fantasy to think that turkey hunting will ever return to the glory days. I lived through the glory days. Fun stuff to legally take multiple turkey in multiple states. Now the one and two bird limits are just fine. Maybe those one or two birds are a little more special. Maybe "Whiner on Board" can be the bumper sticker for this new millennium crew of turkey hunters. Pfft!
Agree. Grew up watching those initial programs...and witnessed the evolution from those initial entries on the three major broadcast networks, to the advent of cable TV and the gradual proliferation of hunting and fishing shows, to entire channels dedicated to those pursuits and the outdoor-products companies that phenomenon generated. Then came the internet, personal TV channels, and social media and voila....here we are...
As this relates to turkey hunting from a personal perspective, hunters I know often ask me why I am so enamored with spring gobbler hunting. One of the reasons on the long list is simply that, here in the region that I live, it is one of the last species we can hunt by buying an over-the-counter permit. Every other significant game species has gone to a drawing, and with the odds of success in those drawings diminishing on a yearly basis...and diminishing to a point where we can realistically only expect to hunt certain species "once in a blue moon", if at all (and we have a LOT of game species here that a person can apply for).
There is no doubt in my mind that there are lots of folks around here that have that same mind-set and have taken up turkey hunting just because it is one species that they can readily hunt every year. There is also no doubt in my mind that they are drawn to it initially by the fact that they are inundated with turkey hunting programs on outdoor TV stations and YouTube channels. To me, the line from point A to point B is pretty straight. ...And things are destined to get worse...
Look at me. Look at me. Social media gave everyone a platform. Driving humans competitive nature wether it's fancy vacations, cars/houses, tournament cheer/baseball/etc, live scope crappie piles, redfish in louisana, turkeys - slam, western hunting, tournament bass fishing. Everyone wants their 15 mins and excess is the flavor of the decade. Unfortunately many of these resources can't handle it. Hence more regulation/more to come
Quote from: joey46 on July 28, 2023, 08:28:38 AM
I started with American Sportsman also. Evolved into others most likely the Knight and Hale series on both TV and vcr tapes. It isn't going to matter how many scream and kick their feet the YouTube and other "spot burners" are here to stay. Live with it, ban everything you can possibly think of, or adapt. Almost tired of arguing it. It is a useless flight of fantasy to think that turkey hunting will ever return to the glory days. I lived through the glory days. Fun stuff to legally take multiple turkey in multiple states. Now the one and two bird limits are just fine. Maybe those one or two birds are a little more special. Maybe "Whiner on Board" can be the bumper sticker for this new millennium crew of turkey hunters. Pfft!
Here's a thought... Just maybe if rational discussions of substance were held there could be a change in attitudes towards protecting the resource and future of turkey hunting. Or we can just "adapt", call each other names, not call out spot burners, and watch it burn to the ground. Make a list of pros and cons with sharing specifics. There is a reason no sound justification or argument to support such actions is ever shared. It's because there are zero positives.
The apathy to just "adapt" to times is enlightening. Heaven forbid China ever invades us.... Just adapt.
You win the award for the worst analogy of July 2023. China invasion??? Really? LOL.
Please spare us the drama.
Quote from: joey46 on July 28, 2023, 11:51:47 AM
You win the award for the worst analogy of July 2023. China invasion??? Please spare us the drama with this desperate response.
He actually has a really great point!
I'm pretty thankful when market hunting, habitat destruction and all the other issues going on with turkeys and many more wildlife species were in decline years ago some really amazing men and women didn't just sit around and watch it all disappear.
Different times. Different attitudes. Beating your head against the wall over YouTube/social media will give you an ulcer and not change a thing. I don't expect to see buffalo from horizon to horizon like they did in the 1870s or turkey populations as I witnessed in the 1980s and 1990s. Being a realist is my meaning of "adapt". No Chinese involved. Those that want to fight YouTube and social media go for it. Ban anything that tickles your fancy and then scratch your head and be amazed little changed. Reduced limits and quota hunts are your future. You will adapt to that or not. Your choice.
The genie IS NOT going back in the bottle. At some point, there will need to be changes to protect the resource. When the redfish in my area went to 2 per day, everyone locally was happy, folks from further away were mad about their limit, but willing to make the drive to further strain our local resource. After a while it went back to one, but lots of folks were mad. As long as the changes are driven by science and not dollars, I am all for anything that protects the resource, be it turkey, duck, redfish, etc.
A great example here in N Florida is black bear. There is no doubt there is a sustainable, huntable population. But the state screwed up the first attempt at a re-open and has not been willing to start it up again due to public pressure. Forget that, if the science says it can be opened, open it up (and I have plenty of bear on my property and no desire to shoot one even if it opens).
Quote from: joey46 on July 28, 2023, 12:26:53 PM
Different times. Different attitudes. Beating your head against the wall over YouTube/social media will give you an ulcer and not change a thing. I don't expect to see buffalo from horizon to horizon like they did in the 1870s or turkey populations as I witnessed in the 1980s and 1990s. Being a realist is my meaning of "adapt". No Chinese involved. Those that want to fight YouTube and social media go for it. Ban anything that tickles your fancy and then scratch your head and be amazed little changed. Reduced limits and quota hunts are your future. You will adapt to that or not. Your choice.
Just an observation, since you mentioned millennials previously. Your attitude on the subject is more along the lines of a new age turkey hunter, not one of however many long years it is. I find that interesting. "Adapting" in this case is apathy. 110% apathy and that doesn't bode well for the future. "Oh, shucks Barbara. They done breached the gate. Oh, well".
While I take issues with some millennial type attitudes, I'll admit many don't adhere to norms they are labeled with. I know some young guys that "get it" while long time participants of the sport don't. Age and longevity aren't always the best gauge.... in various walks of life.
HoW misguided you are. Apathy is not adapting. Nor is a adapting apathy. Adapting is accepting the hand you are dealt and either playing it, bluffing or folding. You won't get to call for a misdeal or reshuffle since as was just posted The Genie is Out of the Bottle. Of course the systems nationwide state to state could be scrapped and that won't happen.I hope to not spend my remaining turkey chasing years concerned what others are doing or whether the current group of banners are actively attempting to influence lawmakers and game commissioners into foolish short sighted knee jerk rules and regulations. What's the plan? Shame others into not watching YouTube? Ban OnX? Restrict forum post? That won't happen either. The First Amendment takes care of most of that nonsense. Living in fantasy land is no solution to anything. IMO you are doomed to very frustrating turkey chasing experiences. Worry about how you hunt and not worry about others viewing habits or any legal tactic they choose to use.
If you haven't been paying attention I'll play this game as long as you wish.
P.S. - you forgot to disclose your age and state of residence.
"Hi, my name is......"
46 years old. Arkansas. My dad was a turkey hunter, so I've been turkey hunting since old enough to remember. I grew up both fall and spring hunting. Killed my first turkey 35 years ago.
We can agree to disagree. Apathy by definition is "the lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern". So, to suggest we should just ADAPT, accepting the practices of burning specific spots and other concerning trends while populations struggle in many areas and hunter opportunities dwindle, is being apathetic. In my opinion. It's not about destroying social media, it's about maybe influencing the mindset of hunters to place turkey populations #1 and hunting opportunities #2 on the priority list. The issue within the current culture is that many place Self as #1. That's not sustainable. It's compounding at an alarming rate with new hunters. Unfortunately, it's an issue influenced greatly by those that have influence... YouTubers, hunting celebrities, companies marketing products, etc. All that profit in some way, whether it's personal notoriety or $$. It's not about banning, it's about realigning the mindset. What should be priority #1? It's not debatable. The actions of many speak otherwise.
It's not about Arkansas. It's not about chasing a #. It's not about lost honey holes or jealousy. I have been fortunate to hunt several states, and I will likely never step foot on ground in multiple states, I want turkeys to thrive on every inch of ground possible, from coast to coast.
Accepting it? Playing it? Bluffing it? Folding (giving up)? That's a hard pass for me.
Very frustrating isn't it? Many here are attempting to change both attitudes and behavior. Seldom happens. Should work on behavior it will be the easier of the two. A ban here a ban there and a censoring of social media could turn the country into a turkey utopia. Of course censoring social media isn't possible and the vast majority of hunters that are just glad to be out hunting legally won't really care about any forum gurus' opinions. It will however give some a warm fuzzy feelings to have at least done something. By the time any mindset changing occurs shorter seasons and reduced limits may have solved the crisis anyway. Adapt to that.
Wrote that last night before bed will finish it up now as the sun rises. As much as I enjoy these exchanges (was once on a debate team) if the "solution" is that a mindset change is needed it may not be worth either of our time to continue this dance. We are in a era of instant gratification and any hope of changing the mindset of hundreds of thousands is a fantasy. When I lived nine years near Nashville I attended the NWTF Convention several times until the crowds had become so large it was no longer enjoyable. Very little mindset changing occurred there. It was a bunch of exhibitors selling stuff that's sole purpose was to kill turkeys.
It is very obvious to me that when a state or region feels their turkey population can no longer sustain their current harvest numbers they will have to do something. Shorter seasons and reduced limits is the only logical choice. A return to quota hunts on some public lands may be necessary. The "local boys" will do everything they can to blame and restrict the non-resident for their plight (go through these comments on various similar threads to confirm). That will weed out the casual hunter that saw something on a YouTube show that looked like fun but now isn't worth their time and effort.
I am truly appalled to see the "knee jerk" regulations some of the southern states near you are implementing or considering in response to what I will continue to refer to as "whiner complaints". IMO they just won't work and are obviously politically motivated. The public land hunter will bear the brunt of these while those that have private land won't care less. The non-resident is more than likely screwed.
We'll see how this all shakes out. I have other things to do this weekend so my participation here will end for a while. You do need a new dictionary. "adapt" and "apathy" are not synonyms. I'll add a LOL to this sentence that doesn't apply to the rest of this very long exchange. LOL.
Good luck in the future.
I may be wrong in my interpretation of many of the comments above, but it appears to me that many of us are just arguing the same points from the same side of the fence. The bottom line is that THE RESOURCE (i.e...turkey populations everywhere) should ALWAYS come first. After stating that fact that ALL OF US should agree on, the question then becomes how to we go about ensuring the welfare of the resource?
There are a number of ways of achieving that goal, and that discussion seems to be where the debate is. Choose your poison as to what position you want to take on it. All of them come down to the simple formula that we can't continue to take more turkeys out of the population than are being replaced through reproduction (or other means).
Until that happens, wildlife managers have no choice but to try to address the problem. The path they choose to do that may or may not be the ones each of us might prefer. The ultimate result of leaving obviously failing management strategies in place with fingers crossed that things will magically turn around by themselves could be one that none of us wants to see.
It's about making changes in our overall attitudes and making adjustments in how we were influenced and now making changes to protect the resources for future generations. Nothing wrong with good debate about the issues we see facing the wild turkeys for the future of all states... The post was started by me to bring about what influenced some of us to begin hunting in the first place ... We were all influenced by someone or something to want to hunt. So now it's our turn to try and change attitudes and make adjustments for the future ... Save the RESOURCE .... Great Post ... GobbleNut ....
So again, it's not about who's at Fault or who's right or wrong it's about coming together to help with finding solutions, even if it's only for your state or multiple states public or private grounds included in saving the resource...
To The OP:
I remember those shows when I was young. I tried to watch all I could! I remember Field and Stream and Outdoor Life, they were the Bible to me. I also recognized in the 90's that Turkey hunting was being commercialized and that the commercialization would be the ruination of Turkey hunting. Thank you for the reminder, Oh, and Marty Stauffer, loved his show!
That is all it is, people are making money from the turkey.
Do I like it, No. No, I do not. But, as stated, there is not a reverse for this. The only slow down for this issue would be the Bud Light syndrome. Us harping about it here continually does nothing to help the situation. Not watching You Tube Vids may help, by a large joint effort from sportspeople globally.
Lots of these guys are trying to do what a lot of us have said and heard all our lives. "Do what you love to do and you'll never work a day in your life." I am not sure that's a true statement once money is introduced to what you love. Has anyone here not heard this statement before?
Yep, I have heard it. But then there is the flip side of the coin. If you're forced to do what you love all of the time, then you may grow to hate it. The truth is, the explosion of social media has caused three main problems as i see it. A desire to be constantly getting attention, a possible loophole to avoid actually working, and being a productive member of society, and giving everyone a fake perception of reality. That's gonna bode well for the future
I realized in "About" 2000 I didn't want to do what I love for money. I am happy that I realized that, once money is introduced it's a job. Same as all the other jobs.
The do what you love saying is stupid today. Do what you can to make a good living and enjoy your time off. That should be the saying for today.
Quote from: GobbleNut on July 29, 2023, 09:45:40 AM
I may be wrong in my interpretation of many of the comments above, but it appears to me that many of us are just arguing the same points from the same side of the fence. The bottom line is that THE RESOURCE (i.e...turkey populations everywhere) should ALWAYS come first. After stating that fact that ALL OF US should agree on, the question then becomes how to we go about ensuring the welfare of the resource?
There are a number of ways of achieving that goal, and that discussion seems to be where the debate is. Choose your poison as to what position you want to take on it. All of them come down to the simple formula that we can't continue to take more turkeys out of the population than are being replaced through reproduction (or other means).
Until that happens, wildlife managers have no choice but to try to address the problem. The path they choose to do that may or may not be the ones each of us might prefer. The ultimate result of leaving obviously failing management strategies in place with fingers crossed that things will magically turn around by themselves could be one that none of us wants to see.
Great post. 100% my point...... turkey populations (the resource) should be top priority #1 and that's not even debatable. It's like my service oriented field of work. Without customers, we have no sales, no business, and I don't have a job. But, we have certain employees (that didn't help establish the business from the ground up) that think the customers are privileged to do business with us. It's a backwards mindset. I just can't get on board with shrugging our shoulders and accepting it as a "sign of the times". We are now an instant gratification, social media driven society and it has evolved the hunting culture into a less desirable one. And the resource suffers from it. We should be able to discuss and provide arguments of substance. The reality is the community is as divided as many conservative and liberals in our country currently.
Where are the non-profit organizations and hunting industry companies in this? Why not educate and teach the "resource first" philosophy. It might be in their words, but I don't see it in their actions. What I see is hunters first, i.e. promotion and profits. At the very least, have a message of caution, "Is this good for the resource? Is this good for the future of hunting?" Some do some great things, but seem to avoid the "elephant in the room" at all costs.
To paraphrase an old prayer:
Lord help me to CHANGE what I can change,
ACCEPT what I can not, and the
WISDOM to know the difference.
Very aprapo to this discussion. When Primos sends a press release saying please don't buy our decoys and blinds or watch our shows and Apex voluntarily stops selling TSS you'll know mindsets have been changed. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Maybe next February will see demonstrators in front of the Opryland Hotel with DECOYS SUCK signs. Maybe not. Might just ban displays altogether and have several motivational speakers instead.
SORRY you feel this way.... Sometimes you just can't change a person's way of thinking.... :OGturkeyhead:
Quote from: joey46 on July 30, 2023, 03:03:51 PM
To paraphrase an old prayer:
Lord help me to CHANGE what I can change,
ACCEPT what I can not, and the
WISDOM to know the difference.
Very aprapo to this discussion. When Primos sends a press release saying please don't buy our decoys and blinds or watch our shows and Apex voluntarily stops selling TSS you'll know mindsets have been changed. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Maybe next February will see demonstrators in front of the Opryland Hotel with DECOYS SUCK signs. Maybe not. Might just ban displays altogether and have several motivational speakers instead.
I don't expect Primos to do that, anymore than I expect Micheal Waddell to quit pushing reaping decoys, Mossy Oak to caution of social media content, the NWTF to educate hunter etiquette in the social media realm, or THP to not name states or regions within states. Each has too many reasons ($$$) not to. What we could do is tune out or not purchase their products. OR as you suggest... sit down, shut up, and adapt. I'm not saying it will ever change on a grand scale, for that mountain is steep, BUT I do know accepting a turd leads to a bigger pile of turds.
You might as well start learning Mandarin, and turn your guns in.
Is that the best you got? I doubt if condescending and holier than tho replies gain much traction. You seem to have a China fixation. Why is that?
Nobody has pimped the wild turkey more than mossy oak. And they are laughing all the way to the bank. That's a fact like it or not. More turkey hunters = more money. And they play it both ways. They sponsor people that exploit wild turkeys for profit while spending on conservation and talking the talk. It's the same thing thp does etc. with fundraising for chamberlain. Buy our merchandise (so we can make money) and we will donate a portion to wild turkey science.
Quote from: joey46 on July 30, 2023, 05:37:53 PM
Is that the best you got? I doubt if condescending and holier than tho replies gain much traction. You seem to have a China fixation. Why is that?
Condescending and holier than thou? You are the one slinging around labels..... "whiners" etc. So, you disagree with everything I've said?
Answer if you have any substance to add....
Should the resource (turkey populations) be priority #1?
Do they or don't they (hunting industry companies, social media influencers, non-profit wildlife organization) profit from promoting hunter recruitment?
Do the above promote this recruitment above ALL else?
What are any positives for populations and hunting opportunities of promoting (highlighting) specific locales to hunt on for unlimited access? WMA, National Forests, states?
Do you think it's acceptable for influencers promoting states for profit?
Do you think it's acceptable to share OnX pins on social media outlets?
Do you think it's acceptable to share pictures at WMA signs?
Just a few. Don't want to overwhelm you with more, or waste more time if you choose not to answer these simple questions.
No China fixation, just making an observation based on the suggestion to accept and adapt, regardless of what comes our way.
I'll hang up and listen...
This has turned into a personal feud so I'm out. I won't reply to this subject again on this or any related thread. Good luck in the future.
I will attempt to add a few pictures from some central Florida land we hunt. Some are private, some are public quota areas. It is one reason I'm not too worried over turkey numbers in my remaining years. Pictures on this forum drive me crazy on size limits so they will follow at random. Hope they post. Many will enjoy them. Some Florida guys will be ticked I even posted them. Oh well. They'll get over it.
This is a Florida WMA in the quota system. One of three cameras I used to scout prior to a hunt we drew. Two of the three cameras that day showed birds. Quota hunts IMO are the coming trend in almost all states. Live with it.
As usual having picture problems. Working on it. One of the birds in the prior picture may be deceased. Filled the WMA limit of one bird during the hunt in this spot.
Can't get more pics to post at this time. Keep getting a security warning that this site not secure. Later, have a life other than forums. LOL.
Quote from: joey46 on July 31, 2023, 07:04:11 AM
This has turned into a personal feud so I'm out. I won't reply to this subject again on this or any related thread. Good luck in the future.
I will attempt to add a few pictures from some central Florida land we hunt. Some are private, some are public quota areas. It is one reason I'm not too worried over turkey numbers in my remaining years. Pictures on this forum drive me crazy on size limits so they will follow at random. Hope they post. Many will enjoy them. Some Florida guys will be ticked I even posted them. Oh well. They'll get over it.
Not personal for me, just discussing / debating the subject of the thread. But, as is typical in these discussions, no sound argument to support social media / industry influences regarding sharing of specific information is ever presented. As in Never. Draw your own conclusions.