Looks like Mississippi is trying to get mandatory tagging and moving season opener back to Saturday closest to March 20 (Which gives a potential season opener of March 17 - 23). You can view the proposed regulations AND COMMENT YOUR SUPPORT/OPPOSITION at the following link:
https://www.mdwfp.com/apps/rules-regulations/
I encourage all you Mississippi residents to comment on each proposal!
I'm not A Ms resident but if I were I'd like to have the option to get after them with a start date midweek before the Arkansas mob shows up on the weekend.
I'm a Mississippi resident and hunt public land 80% of season. I'm a contract worker and I take off from the first of March till mid May every year so I hunt every single day of Mississippi season. This is a step in the right direction. Mandatory tagging and move the season back till it at least matches up with the Bama opener! We've had a few good hatches and starting to have some hope for Turkey populations from what it's been for the past 5 years or so.
Ms resident and I thought tagging was already mandatory? A moved back season would have been bad this season because it stared early, I would like to see some on the end cut out and also would like to see a 1:00 cut off, I hunted Missouri this season for the first time and I think the 1:00 down time would take some of the pressure off.
Quote from: 3bailey3 on May 09, 2023, 09:33:22 PM
Ms resident and I thought tagging was already mandatory? A moved back season would have been bad this season because it stared early, I would like to see some on the end cut out and also would like to see a 1:00 cut off, I hunted Missouri this season for the first time and I think the 1:00 down time would take some of the pressure off.
Mandatory call in but it should go to a system like Kansas. A pic must be taken uploaded and tagged before it's moved. A 1pm cutoff would be nice. Missouri has a good system in my opinion
Quote from: 3bailey3 on May 09, 2023, 09:33:22 PM
Ms resident and I thought tagging was already mandatory? A moved back season would have been bad this season because it stared early, I would like to see some on the end cut out and also would like to see a 1:00 cut off, I hunted Missouri this season for the first time and I think the 1:00 down time would take some of the pressure off.
It's supposed to be since 2019 Call in or by app/online
Not sure how they let non residents know that? Or how they would enforce it?
I been reporting mine
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As a resident I hope they change it to start close to neighboring states. I hate it but I think it's best to keep our turkey numbers from getting decimated
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From what i have heard, no data suggests moving opening date back provides any benefit and turkey populations in every state pretty much follow normal, expected reintroduction curves.
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I really agree with 3bailey3 but I do believe the state doe s not care about its citizens
They pander more to out 9f state
Bottom line is our turkeys need a little help . I think this will help "some " .
If I had my wish , I'd say cut it to 2 adult gobblers per hunter, mandatory tag on gobbler before moving , and call it in also . Absolutely no corn feeders running for two weeks before season opener until after closing . I feel , well I know ! This is a huge issue ! I'm thankful for our no jake law , because our gobblers get killed down to the jakes every spring . Fact .
MS rez here. Don't mind the changed opening. Most years the 15th is too early AND for most workers it's just easier to schedule time off rather than this mid week stuff. I find myself competing with non hunters on spring break week a lot ????. As far as tagging, calling, pic taking? Useless. Poachers gonna poach. All that does is suggest to anybody with 1/2 a brain where birds are being taken. Spend that $ on something else MDWFP!
ABSOLUTELY agree with the Feeder deal. In fact, Feeder should have to be completely removed from woods by March 1. If you wanna feed deer they can issue a feeder license for a nominal fee on your hunting license. What a revenue generator there! I say issue one adult gobbler tag with a second possible with a "varmint" bounty.... Foolish, I know but a Turkey hunter can dream.....
I'd be good with dropping to a 2 bird system and a leg tag. The feeders have to go! I don't know how many gobblers I've called up for other people or have harvested myself have corn in their craw. Pathetic in my opinion. There is a lot of gobblers in my area harvested that way. Sad
Yeah. I'd would like the deer feeders gone. The ones at the club I hunt at just attract hogs and coons. Promotes night time feeding by deer
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I like the mandatory tagging. I know this allowed a warden to ticket some kids in our area this year that have become serial poachers when he otherwise wouldn't have been able to do much.
I am not sold on the date change, but I know our turkey guy has a reason, so I will probably support him.
I will always support any law that does away with corn feeding even for deer!
I don't see any reason to monkey with the limit as long as the statewide numbers will support it.
I doubt this will be popular but here goes:
1. Stop treating all of MS like it's the same when it comes to season structure. We have different zones/seasons for deer, why not for turkeys? I'm in extreme southern Miss and we're often 2-3 weeks ahead of counties in the north part of the state. Peak gobbling may be behind us on March 23 where I live and still a few weeks away in other parts.
2. If you want to shorten the season, take it off of the end, not the beginning. Open it on 3rd Saturday in March and let season last for 5 weeks + 1 day (close on Sunday). I'd be ok with 4 weeks+1 day in all honesty. Again, this goes back to stop treating all of MS the same when it comes to season structure.
3. TAGS ARE USELESS WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT! Those of us who abide by laws are already reporting them as required. A physical tag means NOTHING if there's no one to check them.
4. DO AWAY WITH THE 7 DAY NON-RESIDENT LICENSE AND REQUIRE NON-RESIDENTS TO BUY A FULL SEASON LICENSE LIKE MOST OTHER STATES!
5. FIX THE PUBLIC LAND DRAW SYSTEM! Limit applicants to a maximum of 5 applications (3 would be better)
6. Enforce the draw system! I know of a few folks who ran into oos'ers at popular WMA's during the 2-week draw window and they said they didn't have draws and had been hunting them for years without being drawn. Just like tags, USELESS WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT!
7. BAN FEEDING FROM FEBRUARY 16 - MAY 31! Won't happen but needs to!
Coincidentally I'm in Biloxi right this minute and picked up a 22-23 Outdoor Digest at the Academy in Gulfport yesterday. There definitely is a mandatory reporting requirement (page 21) with options for no phone or cell service. All states should have mandatory reporting. Wish Florida would do the nonresident two week lock out but too much money involved.
After reading two long pages on National Forest (pages 27-28) that includes a non discrimination policy I'm still skeptical that banning non-res hunting that land while residents are hunting it would withstand a serious federal court challenge. Good luck with that.
The state had proposed no feeders a while back but some of the deer folks that feed year round complained that "their" deer wouldn't have anything to eat so that got scratched.
Not sure how the the tagging will work if we don't have enough wardens to enforce it. I feel like that is the biggest issue.
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 09:34:09 AM
I doubt this will be popular but here goes:
1. Stop treating all of MS like it's the same when it comes to season structure. We have different zones/seasons for deer, why not for turkeys? I'm in extreme southern Miss and we're often 2-3 weeks ahead of counties in the north part of the state. Peak gobbling may be behind us on March 23 where I live and still a few weeks away in other parts.
2. If you want to shorten the season, take it off of the end, not the beginning. Open it on 3rd Saturday in March and let season last for 5 weeks + 1 day (close on Sunday). I'd be ok with 4 weeks+1 day in all honesty. Again, this goes back to stop treating all of MS the same when it comes to season structure.
3. TAGS ARE USELESS WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT! Those of us who abide by laws are already reporting them as required. A physical tag means NOTHING if there's no one to check them.
4. DO AWAY WITH THE 7 DAY NON-RESIDENT LICENSE AND REQUIRE NON-RESIDENTS TO BUY A FULL SEASON LICENSE LIKE MOST OTHER STATES!
5. FIX THE PUBLIC LAND DRAW SYSTEM! Limit applicants to a maximum of 5 applications (3 would be better)
6. Enforce the draw system! I know of a few folks who ran into oos'ers at popular WMA's during the 2-week draw window and they said they didn't have draws and had been hunting them for years without being drawn. Just like tags, USELESS WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT!
7. BAN FEEDING FROM FEBRUARY 16 - MAY 31! Won't happen but needs to!
As a NR myself I support the license thing.
The issue with diff seasons is, it would put immense pressure on localized areas. The whole damn state will be in one spot (whoever opens first)
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Illinois is draw by county or special hunt area(also 3 seperate draws) then leftover tags OTC, residents get preference, there is also 2 zones, if you spread it out over a few counties and or special hunt areas you can draw 3 tags per spring.
Illinois generally has limited public lands but it is a decent system as far as a draw goes. Would definitely need modified for a different state but it is worth a look.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 10, 2023, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 09:34:09 AM
I doubt this will be popular but here goes:
1. Stop treating all of MS like it's the same when it comes to season structure. We have different zones/seasons for deer, why not for turkeys? I'm in extreme southern Miss and we're often 2-3 weeks ahead of counties in the north part of the state. Peak gobbling may be behind us on March 23 where I live and still a few weeks away in other parts.
2. If you want to shorten the season, take it off of the end, not the beginning. Open it on 3rd Saturday in March and let season last for 5 weeks + 1 day (close on Sunday). I'd be ok with 4 weeks+1 day in all honesty. Again, this goes back to stop treating all of MS the same when it comes to season structure.
3. TAGS ARE USELESS WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT! Those of us who abide by laws are already reporting them as required. A physical tag means NOTHING if there's no one to check them.
4. DO AWAY WITH THE 7 DAY NON-RESIDENT LICENSE AND REQUIRE NON-RESIDENTS TO BUY A FULL SEASON LICENSE LIKE MOST OTHER STATES!
5. FIX THE PUBLIC LAND DRAW SYSTEM! Limit applicants to a maximum of 5 applications (3 would be better)
6. Enforce the draw system! I know of a few folks who ran into oos'ers at popular WMA's during the 2-week draw window and they said they didn't have draws and had been hunting them for years without being drawn. Just like tags, USELESS WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT!
7. BAN FEEDING FROM FEBRUARY 16 - MAY 31! Won't happen but needs to!
As a NR myself I support the license thing.
The issue with diff seasons is, it would put immense pressure on localized areas. The whole damn state will be in one spot (whoever opens first)
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I understand but the current season structure caters far more to the central and north part of the state. Also, if the draw system was fixed to limit the # of applications per hunter, people won't waste those applications on WMA's in my part of the state. So most hunting pressure would be on private land or some of the state's less than desirable NF's.
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 12:02:11 PM
Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 10, 2023, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 09:34:09 AM
I doubt this will be popular but here goes:
1. Stop treating all of MS like it's the same when it comes to season structure. We have different zones/seasons for deer, why not for turkeys? I'm in extreme southern Miss and we're often 2-3 weeks ahead of counties in the north part of the state. Peak gobbling may be behind us on March 23 where I live and still a few weeks away in other parts.
2. If you want to shorten the season, take it off of the end, not the beginning. Open it on 3rd Saturday in March and let season last for 5 weeks + 1 day (close on Sunday). I'd be ok with 4 weeks+1 day in all honesty. Again, this goes back to stop treating all of MS the same when it comes to season structure.
3. TAGS ARE USELESS WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT! Those of us who abide by laws are already reporting them as required. A physical tag means NOTHING if there's no one to check them.
4. DO AWAY WITH THE 7 DAY NON-RESIDENT LICENSE AND REQUIRE NON-RESIDENTS TO BUY A FULL SEASON LICENSE LIKE MOST OTHER STATES!
5. FIX THE PUBLIC LAND DRAW SYSTEM! Limit applicants to a maximum of 5 applications (3 would be better)
6. Enforce the draw system! I know of a few folks who ran into oos'ers at popular WMA's during the 2-week draw window and they said they didn't have draws and had been hunting them for years without being drawn. Just like tags, USELESS WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT!
7. BAN FEEDING FROM FEBRUARY 16 - MAY 31! Won't happen but needs to!
As a NR myself I support the license thing.
The issue with diff seasons is, it would put immense pressure on localized areas. The whole damn state will be in one spot (whoever opens first)
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I understand but the current season structure caters far more to the central and north part of the state. Also, if the draw system was fixed to limit the # of applications per hunter, people won't waste those applications on WMA's in my part of the state. So most hunting pressure would be on private land or some of the state's less than desirable NF's.
Jbird22 I totally agree. Zone it like deer season. I hunt public land south of Hattiesburg and north of it. Heck I hunt all over south and central miss. I'd definitely be good with a season zone. Central public land has been getting pounded by out of staters and now it's starting to be a big problem with in some more southern miss public lands. I'm all for traveling and hunting public land I hunt all over but Mississippians could afford to shorten the season some. No need in a near 6 week season
I agree with the tagging system and cutting feeding off. I would be good with shortening the end of the season a week. I do not agree with half a day hunting. The biggest gobbler's I've killed in Mississippi have been in the evening. Some days I can't hunt the morning. Some day's the weather isn't safe to hunt in the morning. Let some of your rights be taken away and the door will be open for more restriction's.
Quote from: 3bailey3 on May 09, 2023, 09:33:22 PM
Ms resident and I thought tagging was already mandatory?
Only harvest reporting has been mandatory.
Quote from: Howieg on May 10, 2023, 02:21:42 AM
Absolutely no corn feeders running for two weeks before season opener until after closing . I feel , well I know ! This is a huge issue ! I'm thankful for our no jake law , because our gobblers get killed down to the jakes every spring . Fact .
THIS!!!!
Quote from: slave601 on May 10, 2023, 07:12:06 AM
. The feeders have to go! I don't know how many gobblers I've called up for other people or have harvested myself have corn in their craw. Pathetic in my opinion. There is a lot of gobblers in my area harvested that way. Sad
Yup. It's pretty common now for me or my father to get a bird or two each spring that has grain in his craw.
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 09:34:09 AM
5. FIX THE PUBLIC LAND DRAW SYSTEM! Limit applicants to a maximum of 5 applications (3 would be better)
Yeah, I miss the days of $5 app fees and application limits.
Quote from: joey46 on May 10, 2023, 10:01:30 AM
After reading two long pages on National Forest (pages 27-28) that includes a non discrimination policy I'm still skeptical that banning non-res hunting that land while residents are hunting it would withstand a serious federal court challenge. Good luck with that.
Has stood the test of time in western big game states for quite a while.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 10, 2023, 11:34:44 AM
The issue with diff seasons is, it would put immense pressure on localized areas. The whole damn state will be in one spot (whoever opens first)
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Oh man, as someone who jumps around to hit numerous openers myself, it definitely causes some huge pressure influxes! It'd require a total re-structure of turkey season and some limitations. Like only allowing a person to hunt one zone or the other for opening week of either zone.
Here's my rather dim view: Mississippi cares not one whit for the wild Turkey. Its only value is the dollars it brings in. In that respect, they do not want the bird to become endangered or extinct. If you want to change things then the state's wallet better be kept in mind. Whether you are for, against or neautral to OSS it is undeniable the revenue it brings. I pay around fifty bucks annually to hunt/fish as a resident- THATs like just over $4 a month- dirt cheap. Not sure what a NR pays here but the NR license I bought in another state was $160 for 10days. Also, all the bait sold thru county co-ops- the list is almost endless. My point is, if you propose any changes that in anyway limit hunter involvement , R or NR- then you better increase your own costs proportionally before you can ever dream about a change....
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Quote from: 3bailey3 on May 09, 2023, 09:33:22 PM
Ms resident and I thought tagging was already mandatory?
Only harvest reporting has been mandatory.
Quote from: Howieg on May 10, 2023, 02:21:42 AM
Absolutely no corn feeders running for two weeks before season opener until after closing . I feel , well I know ! This is a huge issue ! I'm thankful for our no jake law , because our gobblers get killed down to the jakes every spring . Fact .
THIS!!!!
Quote from: slave601 on May 10, 2023, 07:12:06 AM
. The feeders have to go! I don't know how many gobblers I've called up for other people or have harvested myself have corn in their craw. Pathetic in my opinion. There is a lot of gobblers in my area harvested that way. Sad
Yup. It's pretty common now for me or my father to get a bird or two each spring that has grain in his craw.
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 09:34:09 AM
5. FIX THE PUBLIC LAND DRAW SYSTEM! Limit applicants to a maximum of 5 applications (3 would be better)
Yeah, I miss the days of $5 app fees and application limits.
Quote from: joey46 on May 10, 2023, 10:01:30 AM
After reading two long pages on National Forest (pages 27-28) that includes a non discrimination policy I'm still skeptical that banning non-res hunting that land while residents are hunting it would withstand a serious federal court challenge. Good luck with that.
Has stood the test of time in western big game states for quite a while.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 10, 2023, 11:34:44 AM
The issue with diff seasons is, it would put immense pressure on localized areas. The whole damn state will be in one spot (whoever opens first)
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Oh man, as someone who jumps around to hit numerous openers myself, it definitely causes some huge pressure influxes! It'd require a total re-structure of turkey season and some limitations. Like only allowing a person to hunt one zone or the other for opening week of either zone.
DH, you've lived down here for a brief period. You really think people will rush to the SE deer zone to hunt if it opens a week or two earlier than others? I just don't see Des NF becoming a turkey hunting destination for someone who hunts H NF, B NF, Del NF, or HS NF but maybe I'm missing something.
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 05:46:09 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on May 10, 2023, 04:37:41 PM
Quote from: 3bailey3 on May 09, 2023, 09:33:22 PM
Ms resident and I thought tagging was already mandatory?
Only harvest reporting has been mandatory.
Quote from: Howieg on May 10, 2023, 02:21:42 AM
Absolutely no corn feeders running for two weeks before season opener until after closing . I feel , well I know ! This is a huge issue ! I'm thankful for our no jake law , because our gobblers get killed down to the jakes every spring . Fact .
THIS!!!!
Quote from: slave601 on May 10, 2023, 07:12:06 AM
. The feeders have to go! I don't know how many gobblers I've called up for other people or have harvested myself have corn in their craw. Pathetic in my opinion. There is a lot of gobblers in my area harvested that way. Sad
Yup. It's pretty common now for me or my father to get a bird or two each spring that has grain in his craw.
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 09:34:09 AM
5. FIX THE PUBLIC LAND DRAW SYSTEM! Limit applicants to a maximum of 5 applications (3 would be better)
Yeah, I miss the days of $5 app fees and application limits.
Quote from: joey46 on May 10, 2023, 10:01:30 AM
After reading two long pages on National Forest (pages 27-28) that includes a non discrimination policy I'm still skeptical that banning non-res hunting that land while residents are hunting it would withstand a serious federal court challenge. Good luck with that.
Has stood the test of time in western big game states for quite a while.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 10, 2023, 11:34:44 AM
The issue with diff seasons is, it would put immense pressure on localized areas. The whole damn state will be in one spot (whoever opens first)
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Oh man, as someone who jumps around to hit numerous openers myself, it definitely causes some huge pressure influxes! It'd require a total re-structure of turkey season and some limitations. Like only allowing a person to hunt one zone or the other for opening week of either zone.
DH, you've lived down here for a brief period. You really think people will rush to the SE deer zone to hunt if it opens a week or two earlier than others? I just don't see Des NF becoming a turkey hunting destination for someone who hunts H NF, B NF, Del NF, or HS NF but maybe I'm missing something.
Jbird22 I started seeing a few in des NF last year and a good bit more this year but still not near as many as B NF. I was at a gate at 3pm on a week day changing out of my boots into crocs and a vehicle pulled up with an Arkie tag. Kinda shocked me
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 05:46:09 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on May 10, 2023, 04:37:41 PM
Quote from: 3bailey3 on May 09, 2023, 09:33:22 PM
Ms resident and I thought tagging was already mandatory?
Only harvest reporting has been mandatory.
Quote from: Howieg on May 10, 2023, 02:21:42 AM
Absolutely no corn feeders running for two weeks before season opener until after closing . I feel , well I know ! This is a huge issue ! I'm thankful for our no jake law , because our gobblers get killed down to the jakes every spring . Fact .
THIS!!!!
Quote from: slave601 on May 10, 2023, 07:12:06 AM
. The feeders have to go! I don't know how many gobblers I've called up for other people or have harvested myself have corn in their craw. Pathetic in my opinion. There is a lot of gobblers in my area harvested that way. Sad
Yup. It's pretty common now for me or my father to get a bird or two each spring that has grain in his craw.
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 09:34:09 AM
5. FIX THE PUBLIC LAND DRAW SYSTEM! Limit applicants to a maximum of 5 applications (3 would be better)
Yeah, I miss the days of $5 app fees and application limits.
Quote from: joey46 on May 10, 2023, 10:01:30 AM
After reading two long pages on National Forest (pages 27-28) that includes a non discrimination policy I'm still skeptical that banning non-res hunting that land while residents are hunting it would withstand a serious federal court challenge. Good luck with that.
Has stood the test of time in western big game states for quite a while.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 10, 2023, 11:34:44 AM
The issue with diff seasons is, it would put immense pressure on localized areas. The whole damn state will be in one spot (whoever opens first)
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Oh man, as someone who jumps around to hit numerous openers myself, it definitely causes some huge pressure influxes! It'd require a total re-structure of turkey season and some limitations. Like only allowing a person to hunt one zone or the other for opening week of either zone.
DH, you've lived down here for a brief period. You really think people will rush to the SE deer zone to hunt if it opens a week or two earlier than others? I just don't see Des NF becoming a turkey hunting destination for someone who hunts H NF, B NF, Del NF, or HS NF but maybe I'm missing something.
Yes I do think a lot will. Especially after a few THP videos of them getting it done pop up.
It also may make your WMA draw spots worse. People who want to hunt before alabama and such open will put in where it opens the earliest (aka the south zone)
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Quote from: slave601 on May 10, 2023, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 05:46:09 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on May 10, 2023, 04:37:41 PM
Quote from: 3bailey3 on May 09, 2023, 09:33:22 PM
Ms resident and I thought tagging was already mandatory?
Only harvest reporting has been mandatory.
Quote from: Howieg on May 10, 2023, 02:21:42 AM
Absolutely no corn feeders running for two weeks before season opener until after closing . I feel , well I know ! This is a huge issue ! I'm thankful for our no jake law , because our gobblers get killed down to the jakes every spring . Fact .
THIS!!!!
Quote from: slave601 on May 10, 2023, 07:12:06 AM
. The feeders have to go! I don't know how many gobblers I've called up for other people or have harvested myself have corn in their craw. Pathetic in my opinion. There is a lot of gobblers in my area harvested that way. Sad
Yup. It's pretty common now for me or my father to get a bird or two each spring that has grain in his craw.
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 09:34:09 AM
5. FIX THE PUBLIC LAND DRAW SYSTEM! Limit applicants to a maximum of 5 applications (3 would be better)
Yeah, I miss the days of $5 app fees and application limits.
Quote from: joey46 on May 10, 2023, 10:01:30 AM
After reading two long pages on National Forest (pages 27-28) that includes a non discrimination policy I'm still skeptical that banning non-res hunting that land while residents are hunting it would withstand a serious federal court challenge. Good luck with that.
Has stood the test of time in western big game states for quite a while.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 10, 2023, 11:34:44 AM
The issue with diff seasons is, it would put immense pressure on localized areas. The whole damn state will be in one spot (whoever opens first)
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Oh man, as someone who jumps around to hit numerous openers myself, it definitely causes some huge pressure influxes! It'd require a total re-structure of turkey season and some limitations. Like only allowing a person to hunt one zone or the other for opening week of either zone.
DH, you've lived down here for a brief period. You really think people will rush to the SE deer zone to hunt if it opens a week or two earlier than others? I just don't see Des NF becoming a turkey hunting destination for someone who hunts H NF, B NF, Del NF, or HS NF but maybe I'm missing something.
Jbird22 I started seeing a few in des NF last year and a good bit more this year but still not near as many as B NF. I was at a gate at 3pm on a week day changing out of my boots into crocs and a vehicle pulled up with an Arkie tag. Kinda shocked me
Nobody will ever figure out the NF you just said has more birds lol
Post like these will start making people look down south also
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Not a resident and have never come there to hunt deer or turkeys but would like to do it someday.
Let me tell you what WILL happen if parts of the state open earlier than others. You will have a huge influx of people coming to hunt there because it opens earlier than their area. I see this every year here with deer hunters. The area I hunt opens probably 4 weeks earlier than some areas. You will see license plates from all over the state to hunt NF land and the couple of WMA's that open early. We call it the Cajun invasion.
I have a friend that does live there. He wishes the season would be shifted back a couple of weeks. Not lose any days but shift the whole season back. I don't know how this might work out. I do know he had a poor season due to storm damage from the recent tornado. I've been battling downed trees from a tornado and hurricanes from 2 years ago. It has changed my whole world here.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 10, 2023, 06:14:33 PM
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 05:46:09 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on May 10, 2023, 04:37:41 PM
Quote from: 3bailey3 on May 09, 2023, 09:33:22 PM
Ms resident and I thought tagging was already mandatory?
Only harvest reporting has been mandatory.
Quote from: Howieg on May 10, 2023, 02:21:42 AM
Absolutely no corn feeders running for two weeks before season opener until after closing . I feel , well I know ! This is a huge issue ! I'm thankful for our no jake law , because our gobblers get killed down to the jakes every spring . Fact .
THIS!!!!
Quote from: slave601 on May 10, 2023, 07:12:06 AM
. The feeders have to go! I don't know how many gobblers I've called up for other people or have harvested myself have corn in their craw. Pathetic in my opinion. There is a lot of gobblers in my area harvested that way. Sad
Yup. It's pretty common now for me or my father to get a bird or two each spring that has grain in his craw.
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 09:34:09 AM
5. FIX THE PUBLIC LAND DRAW SYSTEM! Limit applicants to a maximum of 5 applications (3 would be better)
Yeah, I miss the days of $5 app fees and application limits.
Quote from: joey46 on May 10, 2023, 10:01:30 AM
After reading two long pages on National Forest (pages 27-28) that includes a non discrimination policy I'm still skeptical that banning non-res hunting that land while residents are hunting it would withstand a serious federal court challenge. Good luck with that.
Has stood the test of time in western big game states for quite a while.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 10, 2023, 11:34:44 AM
The issue with diff seasons is, it would put immense pressure on localized areas. The whole damn state will be in one spot (whoever opens first)
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Oh man, as someone who jumps around to hit numerous openers myself, it definitely causes some huge pressure influxes! It'd require a total re-structure of turkey season and some limitations. Like only allowing a person to hunt one zone or the other for opening week of either zone.
DH, you've lived down here for a brief period. You really think people will rush to the SE deer zone to hunt if it opens a week or two earlier than others? I just don't see Des NF becoming a turkey hunting destination for someone who hunts H NF, B NF, Del NF, or HS NF but maybe I'm missing something.
Yes I do think a lot will. Especially after a few THP videos of them getting it done pop up.
It also may make your WMA draw spots worse. People who want to hunt before alabama and such open will put in where it opens the earliest (aka the south zone)
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And here I was hoping you and I could have a discussion that didn't involve Youtubers...And no, my desired WMA draw can't get much worse honestly. Haven't been drawn there for 4 consecutive years now. And as we discussed, my local non-draw WMA and NWR will be closed for 3 straight years. So I'd say my public hunting situation is damn near rock bottom in all honesty. Thank goodness for the back 40.
Regardless of all that, the changes that have been proposed have already been decided. The public comment section is just to make it appear like public opinion actually matters. But instead of remaining silent and complaining, I submitted my opinions on each topic. I encourage all residents to do the same whether your opinions align with mine or not.
It's just facts. Don't think for a second people won't hunt that way when it's the only place open. Especially after some success words get out.
It does suck those places are closed but hopefully it's for the better. However, let's not base statewide decisions off of draw results that are for 2 day hunts. Even if drawn that's 2 days.
There's birds to be had not far from you still, I rarely go as I drive straight past it, but I do make a small handful of hunts at times after working a night shift, and more than half the times I end up working a bird.
Within 2 hours of you there's plenty of decent hunting to be had. In my eyes anyway and it's twice that far for me but I'm there every chance I get, even just for single day hunts at times.
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Quote from: Clif Owen on May 10, 2023, 06:35:36 PM
Not a resident and have never come there to hunt deer or turkeys but would like to do it someday.
Let me tell you what WILL happen if parts of the state open earlier than others. You will have a huge influx of people coming to hunt there because it opens earlier than their area. I see this every year here with deer hunters. The area I hunt opens probably 4 weeks earlier than some areas. You will see license plates from all over the state to hunt NF land and the couple of WMA's that open early. We call it the Cajun invasion.
I have a friend that does live there. He wishes the season would be shifted back a couple of weeks. Not lose any days but shift the whole season back. I don't know how this might work out. I do know he had a poor season due to storm damage from the recent tornado. I've been battling downed trees from a tornado and hurricanes from 2 years ago. It has changed my whole world here.
Clif, a two week delay may be fine for someone who's 40 mins from Memphis but not for someone who's 40 mins from New Orleans. Both are in MS but they're worlds apart when it comes to when spring starts to show itself.
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It's just facts. Don't think for a second people won't hunt that way when it's the only place open. Especially after some success words get out.
It does suck those places are closed but hopefully it's for the better. However, let's not base statewide decisions off of draw results that are for 2 day hunts. Even if drawn that's 2 days.
There's birds to be had not far from you still, I rarely go as I drive straight past it, but I do make a small handful of hunts at times after working a night shift, and more than half the times I end up working a bird.
Within 2 hours of you there's plenty of decent hunting to be had. In my eyes anyway and it's twice that far for me but I'm there every chance I get, even just for single day hunts at times.
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The places that were closed needed to be closed back around 2015 if they were gonna be closed. But, they're late to the party and haven't talked with actual hunters. Three years is drastic, any way you slice it.
I don't understand where you're going with the "2 day draw" comments.
I know what's available within 2 hrs of me, I just don't have enough opportunities (as far as days off to hunt) to try many new places. Not complaining, just how life is right now.
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It's just facts. Don't think for a second people won't hunt that way when it's the only place open. Especially after some success words get out.
It does suck those places are closed but hopefully it's for the better. However, let's not base statewide decisions off of draw results that are for 2 day hunts. Even if drawn that's 2 days.
There's birds to be had not far from you still, I rarely go as I drive straight past it, but I do make a small handful of hunts at times after working a night shift, and more than half the times I end up working a bird.
Within 2 hours of you there's plenty of decent hunting to be had. In my eyes anyway and it's twice that far for me but I'm there every chance I get, even just for single day hunts at times.
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The places that were closed needed to be closed back around 2015 if they were gonna be closed. But, they're late to the party and haven't talked with actual hunters. Three years is drastic, any way you slice it.
I don't understand where you're going with the "2 day draw" comments.
I know what's available within 2 hrs of me, I just don't have enough opportunities to try many new places. Not complaining, just how life is right now.
I'm just saying there's no need to want drastic change over draw results you've been having. Those hunts are only for 2 days usually.
However, I do wish you more luck in that department being you are a resident. It's dumb question but you are putting those down for your first choices huh?
Idk exact details but the draw structure was changed a while back to stop people from drawing multiple areas while some draw nothing (favored to first picks)
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I have been turkey hunting in N MS since 1984, thats 39 years for you youngsters that arent even 39 years old. I remember hunting hard all year and if I killed a jake I was super pumped. Killed my first Longbeard in 1986 and got it full body mounted. I have been through the good years and the bad. Early 90's it was so bad I quit hunting for 3 years. I only had a few buddies that stuck with it through the hard times and kept going. The other day I heard our state turkey guy say in 1986 there were 60,000 turkeys killed and 60,000 hunters. Spoiler alert, those numbers are BIZARRE. In the county I hunted in 1986 there may have been 8-9 turkey hunters then, and 2 of them killed 10 birds each and the rest of us might kill one and might not. I'll admit turkey hunting has been good for the last 15 years for me and my son on mostly public land, but the turkeys are now gone due to 5x the number of hunters. The problem in Mississippi is our season is too long. 47 days this year. The only thing that is going to bring our numbers up is getting people out of the woods. As long as the season is open the college kids are going to hunt and kill 7-8 each. As long as the season is open corn baiters are going to keep killing. But, if the season is closed they are not going to keep hunting. What I want is consistency year in and year out like Missouri has. Why cant we just copy their season that is proven to work? Not crying here as I can live with or without it, but I think the solution is obvious, SHORTEN THE SEASON AND LIMIT OPPORTUNITY TO CARRY OVER BIRDS AND HAVE THEM SPREAD INTO MORE AREA.
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It's just facts. Don't think for a second people won't hunt that way when it's the only place open. Especially after some success words get out.
It does suck those places are closed but hopefully it's for the better. However, let's not base statewide decisions off of draw results that are for 2 day hunts. Even if drawn that's 2 days.
There's birds to be had not far from you still, I rarely go as I drive straight past it, but I do make a small handful of hunts at times after working a night shift, and more than half the times I end up working a bird.
Within 2 hours of you there's plenty of decent hunting to be had. In my eyes anyway and it's twice that far for me but I'm there every chance I get, even just for single day hunts at times.
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The places that were closed needed to be closed back around 2015 if they were gonna be closed. But, they're late to the party and haven't talked with actual hunters. Three years is drastic, any way you slice it.
I don't understand where you're going with the "2 day draw" comments.
I know what's available within 2 hrs of me, I just don't have enough opportunities to try many new places. Not complaining, just how life is right now.
I'm just saying there's no need to want drastic change over draw results you've been having. Those hunts are only for 2 days usually.
However, I do wish you more luck in that department being you are a resident. It's dumb question but you are putting those down for your first choices huh?
Idk exact details but the draw structure was changed a while back to stop people from drawing multiple areas while some draw nothing (favored to first picks)
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What drastic change? I suggested 5 WMA applications per person. I think that is more than reasonable, especially when you consider that's a possible 10 days out of the 14 day draw window. I know the likelihood of drawing all 5 isn't great but if someone does, do you think they'll attend all 5? Me personally, I apply for 3 because I know that's the absolute most I'll be able to attend due to my work situation. I'm not one to want to take opportunity away from someone who'd actually use it. I think a TON of people apply with little to no intentions of attending if drawn. That's my biggest issue with the draw system.
Quote from: deadbuck on May 10, 2023, 10:19:48 PM
The other day I heard our state turkey guy say in 1986 there were 60,000 turkeys killed and 60,000 hunters. Spoiler alert, those numbers are BIZARRE.
Yeah, I read that the other day and thought no way could those #'s be remotely accurate. I was just a youngun in 1986, but neither figure seems fathomable based on what older hunters have told me.
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It's just facts. Don't think for a second people won't hunt that way when it's the only place open. Especially after some success words get out.
It does suck those places are closed but hopefully it's for the better. However, let's not base statewide decisions off of draw results that are for 2 day hunts. Even if drawn that's 2 days.
There's birds to be had not far from you still, I rarely go as I drive straight past it, but I do make a small handful of hunts at times after working a night shift, and more than half the times I end up working a bird.
Within 2 hours of you there's plenty of decent hunting to be had. In my eyes anyway and it's twice that far for me but I'm there every chance I get, even just for single day hunts at times.
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The places that were closed needed to be closed back around 2015 if they were gonna be closed. But, they're late to the party and haven't talked with actual hunters. Three years is drastic, any way you slice it.
I don't understand where you're going with the "2 day draw" comments.
I know what's available within 2 hrs of me, I just don't have enough opportunities to try many new places. Not complaining, just how life is right now.
I'm just saying there's no need to want drastic change over draw results you've been having. Those hunts are only for 2 days usually.
However, I do wish you more luck in that department being you are a resident. It's dumb question but you are putting those down for your first choices huh?
Idk exact details but the draw structure was changed a while back to stop people from drawing multiple areas while some draw nothing (favored to first picks)
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What drastic change? I suggested 5 WMA applications per person. I think that is more than reasonable, especially when you consider that's a possible 10 days out of the 14 day draw window. I know the likelihood of drawing all 5 isn't great but if someone does, do you think they'll attend all 5? Me personally, I apply for 3 because I know that's the absolute most I'll be able to attend due to my work situation. I'm not one to want to take opportunity away from someone who'd actually use it. I think a TON of people apply with little to no intentions of attending if drawn. That's my biggest issue with the draw system.
I was speaking of grouping it all together with season structure/split zones
Draws can be whatever as I've never really hunted them. I rather catch the open public land early to get those birds before they are gone. (Hell I think it should be a fee so the state can bring in some money for habitat work)
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I wish the state would outlaw a feeder all together. In my opinion when the deer feeder was legalized to hunt over, it was the beginning of our turkey decline as a whole.
Also I'm totally fine with tagging.
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Deadbuck you just posted what the Ms problem is!!! over harvest, two buddies killed 10 a year, college kids just keep hunting? You are the problem if you don't report this!!! don't take the season away from us that folllow the law!! freakking unreal....
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It's just facts. Don't think for a second people won't hunt that way when it's the only place open. Especially after some success words get out.
It does suck those places are closed but hopefully it's for the better. However, let's not base statewide decisions off of draw results that are for 2 day hunts. Even if drawn that's 2 days.
There's birds to be had not far from you still, I rarely go as I drive straight past it, but I do make a small handful of hunts at times after working a night shift, and more than half the times I end up working a bird.
Within 2 hours of you there's plenty of decent hunting to be had. In my eyes anyway and it's twice that far for me but I'm there every chance I get, even just for single day hunts at times.
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The places that were closed needed to be closed back around 2015 if they were gonna be closed. But, they're late to the party and haven't talked with actual hunters. Three years is drastic, any way you slice it.
I don't understand where you're going with the "2 day draw" comments.
I know what's available within 2 hrs of me, I just don't have enough opportunities to try many new places. Not complaining, just how life is right now.
I'm just saying there's no need to want drastic change over draw results you've been having. Those hunts are only for 2 days usually.
However, I do wish you more luck in that department being you are a resident. It's dumb question but you are putting those down for your first choices huh?
Idk exact details but the draw structure was changed a while back to stop people from drawing multiple areas while some draw nothing (favored to first picks)
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What drastic change? I suggested 5 WMA applications per person. I think that is more than reasonable, especially when you consider that's a possible 10 days out of the 14 day draw window. I know the likelihood of drawing all 5 isn't great but if someone does, do you think they'll attend all 5? Me personally, I apply for 3 because I know that's the absolute most I'll be able to attend due to my work situation. I'm not one to want to take opportunity away from someone who'd actually use it. I think a TON of people apply with little to no intentions of attending if drawn. That's my biggest issue with the draw system.
I was speaking of grouping it all together with season structure/split zones
I just know there's a drastic difference in when Spring arrives in the 6 coastal vs. the 6 that border TN. The later arrival of Fall/Winter is acknowledged in deer season though. It's just something I randomly pondered.
Love seeing the comments on banning feeding. It's not even legal now in the CWD zones bordering TN, but I can assure you it's not stopping people in that area. In fact, it's as rampant as ever, and I'd venture to guess that a fair portion of the harvest in the extreme northern counties the first two weeks are over feed, or heavily influenced by feed.
The state recently sent out a deer survey and one of the questions was in regard to supplemental feed. I chose the option to ban it altogether. If you can't kill a deer in the South without corn, then take up another hobby. And don't give me the excuse that you're some "game manager" benefiting the wildlife by slinging corn.
I couldn't argue with at least 2 zones. I think that would be wise to consider. I will also get on board with banning all feed. The problem with banning corn is you will still have the people feeding protein which, in my mind, is what "supplemental" feed really is.
Most of the other stuff mentioned would not interest me. I may be in the minority, but I think our turkey program people do a pretty darn good job. I have heard through the grapevine that there might also be some changes and tightening up on the draw situation to make sure that the opportunity is more evenly spread around.
On a brighter note. I have witnessed 2 fresh hatched clutches and one hen setting a nest just this week. Hopefully the pounding rains like we had yesterday will stay away!!!
This is how 2 zones end
Oh great we open earlier for when our birds are right for hunting
Oh damn where'd all these people come from, this is like 30-40% worse than before
We need more restrictions!!! Make the public land a separate season and just let us private land ppl open early
Then that happens. Next step is private hunters in said zone get two openers. They go kill some off their private early (and some off the public edges for who has land that shares boundaries with the public land) and then it's "man so and so wma/NF opener is tomo let's go catch some fresh birds
Omg Jesus there's people everywhere again, we need more restrictions
Make it a draw
Omg the draw sucks, I haven't drawn in years
We need more restrictions
I can skip a few steps here and say I think most get the point. In the long run you'll wish you at least had the opportunities to go hunt vs sitting home waiting to be chosen to hunt from a draw.
I know I'd rather get to hunt scarce birds every year, vs have a fantastic year every 5 while the other 4 I dream about drawing. Also somewhere in the mix is all our leases are being taken from NR who are out bidding us, now we stuck to the over run public land.
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Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 11, 2023, 11:31:18 AM
This is how 2 zones end
Oh great we open earlier for when our birds are right for hunting
Oh damn where'd all these people come from, this is like 30-40% worse than before
We need more restrictions!!! Make the public land a separate season and just let us private land ppl open early
Then that happens. Next step is private hunters in said zone get two openers. They go kill some off their private early (and some off the public edges for who has land that shares boundaries with the public land) and then it's "man so and so wma/NF opener is tomo let's go catch some fresh birds
Omg Jesus there's people everywhere again, we need more restrictions
Make it a draw
Omg the draw sucks, I haven't drawn in years
We need more restrictions
I can skip a few steps here and say I think most get the point. In the long run you'll wish you at least had the opportunities to go hunt vs sitting home waiting to be chosen to hunt from a draw.
I know I'd rather get to hunt scarce birds every year, vs have a fantastic year every 5 while the other 4 I dream about drawing. Also somewhere in the mix is all our leases are being taken from NR who are out bidding us, now we stuck to the over run public land.
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Not sure why you seem to be taking my opinion on season zones so personal. My opinions are just that, and so are yours. I'm not offended that they don't align. Other posters in this thread have agreed with me so I guess I'm not the only one with that opinion. However, it's obvious season zones won't be happening so at this point we're arguing over a moot point.
Your assumption that I'm "sitting home and dreaming to be drawn 1 out of 5 years" is way off base. I hunt private more than public to begin with. BUT, as a lifetime tax-paying MS resident and lifetime MS license holder, I'd be lying if I said it didn't chap my a$$ that some folks (including non-residents) get drawn multiple times for the same WMA over a period of years that I get zero. I think you get that point, yes? But in post #38 your exact words were "Draws can be whatever as I've never really hunted them.", so maybe you don't.
Being that you're against any new restrictions, I'm assuming you left your comments that you were in opposition to moving back the opener as is being proposed?
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This is how 2 zones end
Oh great we open earlier for when our birds are right for hunting
Oh damn where'd all these people come from, this is like 30-40% worse than before
We need more restrictions!!! Make the public land a separate season and just let us private land ppl open early
Then that happens. Next step is private hunters in said zone get two openers. They go kill some off their private early (and some off the public edges for who has land that shares boundaries with the public land) and then it's "man so and so wma/NF opener is tomo let's go catch some fresh birds
Omg Jesus there's people everywhere again, we need more restrictions
Make it a draw
Omg the draw sucks, I haven't drawn in years
We need more restrictions
I can skip a few steps here and say I think most get the point. In the long run you'll wish you at least had the opportunities to go hunt vs sitting home waiting to be chosen to hunt from a draw.
I know I'd rather get to hunt scarce birds every year, vs have a fantastic year every 5 while the other 4 I dream about drawing. Also somewhere in the mix is all our leases are being taken from NR who are out bidding us, now we stuck to the over run public land.
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Not sure why you seem to be taking my opinion on season zones so personal. My opinions are just that, and so are yours. I'm not offended that they don't align. Other posters in this thread have agreed with me so I guess I'm not the only one with that opinion. However, it's obvious season zones won't be happening so at this point we're arguing over a moot point.
Your assumption that I'm "sitting home and dreaming to be drawn 1 out of 5 years" is way off base. I hunt private more than public to begin with. BUT, as a lifetime tax-paying MS resident and lifetime MS license holder, I'd be lying if I said it didn't chap my a$$ that some folks (including non-residents) get drawn multiple times for the same WMA over a period of years that I get zero. I think you get that point, yes? But in post #38 your exact words were "Draws can be whatever as I've never really hunted them.", so maybe you don't.
Being that you're against any new restrictions, I'm assuming you left your comments that you were in opposition to moving back the opener as is being proposed?
Who said my last post was directed at you. It wasn't. Your assuming my 5 years talk is directed at you. It's not. Ik how draws can end up (not just a little wma draw) as I deal with them out west where I also see residents are restricted. Don't think it can't happen with turkeys. It's heading there fast, it will START with NR restrictions but it can easily spread to residents.
And yes I did comment, however I commented in support of it. Later date will help relief some pressure (it has too as it can't make it worse by opening closer to other states)
Also, nothing is personal, I just know it will cause more harm than good pressure wise. Take it from someone like me, if the south imaginary zone opened first I'll be there! And then I'll be at the north zone opener to catch those fresh birds. I'm not the minority in that mindset either. People travel and hunt by the hordes now, I see it everywhere I go. I am very confident it will make each zone end up pounded more for their opening weeks.
As for the wma draws, idc if those are taken away from me as a NR as it won't matter (outside of the loss of opportunity mindset which I'm against). I've put in I believe 3 times in the last 13-14 years. And I'm guilty of not hunting them but 1 times each draw as I couldn't stand not hitting my open public land spot I've learned so well due to the draws!
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The Start Date should not be overly attractive to Arkansas Traveling Turkey Killers.
How about opening the same day Arkansas opens their Season to avoid Mass Hordes on Public Lands tagging out their limit of Gobblers and leaving resident Mississippi frazzled and picking at the Crumbs
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The Start Date should not be overly attractive to Arkansas Traveling Turkey Killers.
How about opening the same day Arkansas opens their Season to avoid Mass Hordes on Public Lands tagging out their limit of Gobblers and leaving resident Mississippi frazzled and picking at the Crumbs
Don't forget LA hunters in the SE zone
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Quote from: quavers59 on May 11, 2023, 01:44:51 PM
The Start Date should not be overly attractive to Arkansas Traveling Turkey Killers.
How about opening the same day Arkansas opens their Season to avoid Mass Hordes on Public Lands tagging out their limit of Gobblers and leaving resident Mississippi frazzled and picking at the Crumbs
That punishes residents also with a shorter season
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I so miss the way it used to be, you know, before the My Pillow guy.
I say a 4 week season. March 25th (same as bama) till April 25th. That's plenty of time to harvest adult gobblers. Mandatory tagging system with leg tag. 2 bird limit. No feed/feeders. Just my opinion and wishes. I've been saying this for years though
Quote from: quavers59 on May 11, 2023, 01:44:51 PM
The Start Date should not be overly attractive to Arkansas Traveling Turkey Killers.
How about opening the same day Arkansas opens their Season to avoid Mass Hordes on Public Lands tagging out their limit of Gobblers and leaving resident Mississippi frazzled and picking at the Crumbs
I looked it up and AR season starts April 17
Based on that and TN opening 4/15
LA is 4/1
I agree with others to split state in 2 zones.
Southern zone starting earlier
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You're pretty close on LA. but not exact. We open the first Saturday of April. I've always been jealous of those states that have definite dates. The only definite date we have is Archery deer which is always Oct. 1st except in a few areas.
Somebody said less hunters in a previous post : also, nobody really likes the whole draw to hunt deal too much. Everyone wants their cake and turkeys too. So how do we keep it fair for anyone to hunt anywhere they have a legal tag during legal season? Maybe allow unlimited opportunities to come at a price? I mean, make it harder to be successful perhaps? Maybe make sure E bikes don't make it to legal status on public land? No decoys? Shot size and type limitations? No feeders after a certain date or at all? Just asking. Cuz a whole lot of us sure love Turkey hunting. And a whole lot of us see it's popularity and participation sky rocketing- and it ain't THP or Shane's fault bc as I see it none of them are glamorizing the aforementioned technology....they just walking in with a gun and call and getting it done. I ask myself, why ? Well, they seem to work hard at it and are doing it old school. Am I? Are you? I know I know- someone's going to reply and say " whine, whine, whine". BUT, if you want less hunters in the woods while also keeping your freedom to hunt anywhere anytime you have a license? Only one way I see that happening.....I mean I'm really asking- not trying to be a dictator or offensive... how would you do it?
Two different opening dates in one state IS DUMB.
If you get what you want you will regret it! BTW, every state has a north end and a south end of the state.
Quote from: Prospector on May 10, 2023, 05:10:46 PM
Here's my rather dim view: Mississippi cares not one whit for the wild Turkey.
I can say with 100% certainty that is false. Mississippi has one of the best wild turkey program biologists/coordinators in the country. And I bet a few others in this thread will vouch for that.
As far as resident licenses being super cheap? I agree 100%. But our state is full of people who griped and complained over the last $15 increase in the sportsman's license.
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 05:46:09 PMDH, you've lived down here for a brief period. You really think people will rush to the SE deer zone to hunt if it opens a week or two earlier than others? I just don't see Des NF becoming a turkey hunting destination for someone who hunts H NF, B NF, Del NF, or HS NF but maybe I'm missing something.
I know there will be a rush to hunt the early opener zone. Heck, if I can get a draw, I may even be down there to start my season earlier. This isn't pre-2020 turkey hunting anymore. Social media and YouTube has changed the game, and not for the better. Now will folks keep coming back? Haha, a lot will be one and done. But public land hunters in a "south zone" will NOT like the increase in pressure they see the first few years.
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 07:52:16 PM
And here I was hoping you and I could have a discussion that didn't involve Youtubers...And no, my desired WMA draw can't get much worse honestly. Haven't been drawn there for 4 consecutive years now. And as we discussed, my local non-draw WMA and NWR will be closed for 3 straight years. So I'd say my public hunting situation is damn near rock bottom in all honesty. Thank goodness for the back 40.
Regardless of all that, the changes that have been proposed have already been decided. The public comment section is just to make it appear like public opinion actually matters. But instead of remaining silent and complaining, I submitted my opinions on each topic. I encourage all residents to do the same whether your opinions align with mine or not.
Think you got the other poster confused with me. But you are right, I mentioned YouTube in my response above. No one can deny the impact it has had. Not drawing is just a sign of the times. When you have a 2x increase in applicants in a few years, it makes it a lot harder to draw.
Public comment is very important. Folks would be surprised about the impact properly submitted public comments have had.
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 10:19:58 PM
What drastic change? I suggested 5 WMA applications per person. I think that is more than reasonable, especially when you consider that's a possible 10 days out of the 14 day draw window. I know the likelihood of drawing all 5 isn't great but if someone does, do you think they'll attend all 5? Me personally, I apply for 3 because I know that's the absolute most I'll be able to attend due to my work situation. I'm not one to want to take opportunity away from someone who'd actually use it. I think a TON of people apply with little to no intentions of attending if drawn. That's my biggest issue with the draw system.
Tons of people apply for all WMA draws and then don't show up when they draw. You see a lot of posts in the MS Turkey Hunters FB Group of people stating that very thing.
"Drew xyz WMA, never been there before any pointers?"
a week later someone asks how their hunt went:
"Oh, didn't make it. Didn't know the area so didn't go"
Quote from: Hwd silvestris on May 10, 2023, 10:36:02 PM
I wish the state would outlaw a feeder all together. In my opinion when the deer feeder was legalized to hunt over, it was the beginning of our turkey decline as a whole.
Also I'm totally fine with tagging.
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100% agree
And there is even research out of Mississippi State now to support a 100% ban of feed.
Quote from: 3bailey3 on May 10, 2023, 10:41:18 PM
Deadbuck you just posted what the Ms problem is!!! over harvest, two buddies killed 10 a year, college kids just keep hunting? You are the problem if you don't report this!!! don't take the season away from us that folllow the law!! freakking unreal....
This, if you know someone poaching and don't report them, then you have no room to complain. Plus, you even have the change of being rewarded up to $500 for reporting turkey poachers!
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 10, 2023, 11:15:12 PM
I just know there's a drastic difference in when Spring arrives in the 6 coastal vs. the 6 that border TN. The later arrival of Fall/Winter is acknowledged in deer season though. It's just something I randomly pondered.
Having lived on both ends, I'd confidently say a 10-14 day difference in green up most springs.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 11, 2023, 11:31:18 AM
This is how 2 zones end
Oh great we open earlier for when our birds are right for hunting
Oh damn where'd all these people come from, this is like 30-40% worse than before
We need more restrictions!!! Make the public land a separate season and just let us private land ppl open early
Then that happens. Next step is private hunters in said zone get two openers. They go kill some off their private early (and some off the public edges for who has land that shares boundaries with the public land) and then it's "man so and so wma/NF opener is tomo let's go catch some fresh birds
Omg Jesus there's people everywhere again, we need more restrictions
Make it a draw
Omg the draw sucks, I haven't drawn in years
We need more restrictions
I can skip a few steps here and say I think most get the point. In the long run you'll wish you at least had the opportunities to go hunt vs sitting home waiting to be chosen to hunt from a draw.
I know I'd rather get to hunt scarce birds every year, vs have a fantastic year every 5 while the other 4 I dream about drawing. Also somewhere in the mix is all our leases are being taken from NR who are out bidding us, now we stuck to the over run public land.
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I've witnessed something similar play out already in another state, and you are pretty much spot on.
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 11, 2023, 12:26:04 PM
BUT, as a lifetime tax-paying MS resident and lifetime MS license holder, I'd be lying if I said it didn't chap my a$$ that some folks (including non-residents) get drawn multiple times for the same WMA over a period of years that I get zero. I think you get that point, yes? But in post #38 your exact words were "Draws can be whatever as I've never really hunted them.", so maybe you don't.
Got it on good word that the situation you mentioned was fixed a year or two ago.
Quote from: quavers59 on May 11, 2023, 01:44:51 PM
How about opening the same day Arkansas opens their Season to avoid Mass Hordes on Public Lands tagging out their limit of Gobblers and leaving resident Mississippi frazzled and picking at the Crumbs
No thanks.
DeerHunt1988. My statement overall is not false. Deplorable habitat management. Terrible start date. Feeders, wasted money on Harvest Reports....What has been done right? Of course, I'm sure our biologist(s) knows what's best so I guess the real deal is their hands are tied due to $$ and influence . So perhaps we are both right in that respect....
I don't think you can get any better leadership than our state biologist. Huge balancing act to keep both sides (public/commission) happy. Another good thing about Adam is that he is a hard core turkey hunter who enjoys both public and private hunting just like many of us do.
Quote from: Shiloh on May 15, 2023, 08:04:39 AM
I don't think you can get any better leadership than our state biologist. Huge balancing act to keep both sides (public/commission) happy. Another good thing about Adam is that he is a hard core turkey hunter who enjoys both public and private hunting just like many of us do.
This ^^
Quote from: Shiloh on May 15, 2023, 08:04:39 AM
I don't think you can get any better leadership than our state biologist. Huge balancing act to keep both sides (public/commission) happy. Another good thing about Adam is that he is a hard core turkey hunter who enjoys both public and private hunting just like many of us do.
YES!! I spoke with Adam for a good while Friday afternoon and can tell you he is most definitely one of the good guys!
My reference was not to anyone personal. I'm sure our state biologists does care and is top notch. However, the State and those in charge cater to the money. As I'm sure many if not all do. The decision in my admittedly un educated opinion seems to be heavily weighted toward the special interest groups rather than biology. I'm sure Mr Butler gives great recommendations on how best to manage wild turkeys- I'm just not convinced he is being listened to. I meant no shade on him...
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
I know that the youth season gets abused some, but I imagine that it is so seldom that it doesn't make a huge difference. It would be similar to the guys that start hunting when they hear the first gobble. Make no mistake, I think these people should lose their privileges for a long time, but it has no bearing on overall harvest. There are a very small amount of people that even kill the limit in our state.
I also think that we have one of the best commission leaders that we have ever had. Despite being a man of extraordinary means I truly believe that he is trying to represent the general public in a very fair way.
Of all the problems. Youth seasons have to be at the bottom of the list.
Quote from: arkrem870 on May 15, 2023, 02:24:29 PM
Of all the problems. Youth seasons have to be at the bottom of the list.
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Of course it does. Again simply offends some people. If it saves one bird then it helps the population doesn't it? Kind of like deer hunting. Can't let that basket 8 walk because the neighbors may kill it. I thought the consensus here was helping the population in every way we can.
Quote from: Shiloh on May 15, 2023, 01:17:06 PM
I know that the youth season gets abused some, but I imagine that it is so seldom that it doesn't make a huge difference. It would be similar to the guys that start hunting when they hear the first gobble. Make no mistake, I think these people should lose their privileges for a long time, but it has no bearing on overall harvest. There are a very small amount of people that even kill the limit in our state.
I also think that we have one of the best commission leaders that we have ever had. Despite being a man of extraordinary means I truly believe that he is trying to represent the general public in a very fair way.
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I agree. But 1 bird saved is one added to the population. I can tell you in my parts there are a whole lotta 4 year olds showing off dead gobblers. The point in my post is I believe over harvest is a fraction of the problem. In my opinion habitat for brooding is at the top. Much of the state is controlled by timber companies. They cut the trees and do not allow controlled burning. In return you end up with lots of thickets that causes small game population to expand creating larger populations of predators. Mother Nature at work. Then the state allows feeding the deer with corn feeders year around. The coon population loves that.
So my response about youth season stands. It is a method to reduce harvest of the birds. You want to cut seasons to preserve birds , then that is one of several options that should be on the table.
Adam Butler seems like a great guy and from what I've seen and read I think he is trying his best to help the wild turkey here in Mississippi. With that being said I think his hands are somewhat tied on some situations but I'm just glad there is a change coming. I'd just like to see the season match with bama opener and possibly cut it down to at least 4 weeks. That's plenty of time in my opinion.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If just one life is saved it's worth it right?
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Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If justQuote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If just one life is saved it's worth it right?
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one life is saved it's worth it right?
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Dude you need back on your meds throwing that trash my way. Don't even try to throw that at me like I'm a liberal. I said what I said and stand by it. I served this country and bled for it. You twisted a good post with people giving their opinions just like you just did with your response. But don't preach to me about sacrifice when you have no idea of who I am. I did not insult anyone here but you want to throw an insult. I fought for mine and your right to voice our opinion. If you don't like mine , that's fine. But because I don't agree with your thoughts you throw out an insult. SMH. Whatever dude. You sound like one of the fellows I'm talking about.
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Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If justQuote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If just one life is saved it's worth it right?
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one life is saved it's worth it right?
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Dude you need back on your meds throwing that trash my way. Don't even try to throw that at me like I'm a liberal. I said what I said and stand by it. I served this country and bled for it. You twisted a good post with people giving their opinions just like you just did with your response. But don't preach to me about sacrifice when you have no idea of who I am. I did not insult anyone here but you want to throw an insult. I fought for mine and your right to voice our opinion. If you don't like mine , that's fine. But because I don't agree with your thoughts you throw out an insult. SMH. Whatever dude.
Touchy aye. Who really needs the meds?
Show me the direct insult?
Or is it you're offended by the truth that YOUR same statement with a few diff words replaced now means something diff to you!
You can punish kids for a small group of abusing ADULTS!!
Just the same as we can punish law abiding gun owners for a small group of derelicts out there!!
We live in sad times when we want to punish kids, the same ones we struggle to get outdoors, because we feel they are killing our turkeys.
Also on diff note since you got to throw it out there. Unless you were drafted you served by a conscious choice! While I appreciate what you did (BY CHOICE) it has no barron for you or others to use for moral high ground.
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Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If justQuote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If just one life is saved it's worth it right?
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one life is saved it's worth it right?
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Dude you need back on your meds throwing that trash my way. Don't even try to throw that at me like I'm a liberal. I said what I said and stand by it. I served this country and bled for it. You twisted a good post with people giving their opinions just like you just did with your response. But don't preach to me about sacrifice when you have no idea of who I am. I did not insult anyone here but you want to throw an insult. I fought for mine and your right to voice our opinion. If you don't like mine , that's fine. But because I don't agree with your thoughts you throw out an insult. SMH. Whatever dude.
Touchy aye.
Show me the direct insult?
Or is it your offended by the truth that YOUR same statement with a few diff words replaced now means something diff to you!
You can punish kids for a small group of abusing ADULTS!!
Just the same as we can punish law abiding gun owners for a small group of derelicts out there!!
We live in sad times when we want to punish kids, the same ones we struggle to get outdoors, because we fell they killing our turkeys.
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Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If justQuote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If just one life is saved it's worth it right?
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one life is saved it's worth it right?
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Dude you need back on your meds throwing that trash my way. Don't even try to throw that at me like I'm a liberal. I said what I said and stand by it. I served this country and bled for it. You twisted a good post with people giving their opinions just like you just did with your response. But don't preach to me about sacrifice when you have no idea of who I am. I did not insult anyone here but you want to throw an insult. I fought for mine and your right to voice our opinion. If you don't like mine , that's fine. But because I don't agree with your thoughts you throw out an insult. SMH. Whatever dude.
Touchy aye.
Show me the direct insult?
Or is it your offended by the truth that YOUR same statement with a few diff words replaced now means something diff to you!
You can punish kids for a small group of abusing ADULTS!!
Just the same as we can punish law abiding gun owners for a small group of derelicts out there!!
We live in sad times when we want to punish kids, the same ones we struggle to get outdoors, because we fell they killing our turkeys.
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Touchy touchy when you tell me about sacrificing some of myself for the greater good when I have sacrificed more than you know. I could care less your outlook on youth season. I stated a fact that some will disagree with. So be it. The topic is about helping the population. This has been talked about 6 ways from Sunday. Again the fact is if a bird is not killed then he is counted in the surviving population. We are talking about population here right. Those few that are killed in youth season don't count right. Neither does killing a bunch of Jake's , they probably won't reach 2 years anyway right? Let's keep thinning out the hens in the fall. We do have a surplus of those.
Yes , I get touchy when you suggest taking a week or 2 from us but let's just use that opening week we took for a youth week. How does that help. Birds still being killed the same days that they take from others. Makes sense huh.
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Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If justQuote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If just one life is saved it's worth it right?
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one life is saved it's worth it right?
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Dude you need back on your meds throwing that trash my way. Don't even try to throw that at me like I'm a liberal. I said what I said and stand by it. I served this country and bled for it. You twisted a good post with people giving their opinions just like you just did with your response. But don't preach to me about sacrifice when you have no idea of who I am. I did not insult anyone here but you want to throw an insult. I fought for mine and your right to voice our opinion. If you don't like mine , that's fine. But because I don't agree with your thoughts you throw out an insult. SMH. Whatever dude.
Touchy aye.
Show me the direct insult?
Or is it your offended by the truth that YOUR same statement with a few diff words replaced now means something diff to you!
You can punish kids for a small group of abusing ADULTS!!
Just the same as we can punish law abiding gun owners for a small group of derelicts out there!!
We live in sad times when we want to punish kids, the same ones we struggle to get outdoors, because we fell they killing our turkeys.
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Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:59:11 PM
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Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If justQuote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If just one life is saved it's worth it right?
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one life is saved it's worth it right?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Dude you need back on your meds throwing that trash my way. Don't even try to throw that at me like I'm a liberal. I said what I said and stand by it. I served this country and bled for it. You twisted a good post with people giving their opinions just like you just did with your response. But don't preach to me about sacrifice when you have no idea of who I am. I did not insult anyone here but you want to throw an insult. I fought for mine and your right to voice our opinion. If you don't like mine , that's fine. But because I don't agree with your thoughts you throw out an insult. SMH. Whatever dude.
Touchy aye.
Show me the direct insult?
Or is it your offended by the truth that YOUR same statement with a few diff words replaced now means something diff to you!
You can punish kids for a small group of abusing ADULTS!!
Just the same as we can punish law abiding gun owners for a small group of derelicts out there!!
We live in sad times when we want to punish kids, the same ones we struggle to get outdoors, because we fell they killing our turkeys.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Touchy touchy when you tell me about sacrificing some of myself for the greater good when I have sacrificed more than you know. I could care less your outlook on youth season. I stated a fact that some will disagree with. So be it. The topic is about helping the population. This has been talked about 6 ways from Sunday. Again the fact is if a bird is not killed then he is counted in the surviving population. We are talking about population here right. Those few that are killed in youth season don't count right. Neither does killing a bunch of Jake's , they probably won't reach 2 years anyway right? Let's keep thinning out the hens in the fall. We do have a surplus of those.
Yes , I get touchy when you suggest taking a week or 2 from us but let's just use that opening week we took for a youth week. How does that help. Birds still being killed the same days that they take from others. Makes sense huh.
We need to save the birds so much just close the season
Be careful what's wished for, things are progressive, always
And yes, it is diff to me. My grown a** will gladly stand up and take a hit to preserve something for the youth. But maybe I'm just diff
And this is coming from someone WITHOUT kids
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Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If justQuote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If just one life is saved it's worth it right?
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one life is saved it's worth it right?
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Dude you need back on your meds throwing that trash my way. Don't even try to throw that at me like I'm a liberal. I said what I said and stand by it. I served this country and bled for it. You twisted a good post with people giving their opinions just like you just did with your response. But don't preach to me about sacrifice when you have no idea of who I am. I did not insult anyone here but you want to throw an insult. I fought for mine and your right to voice our opinion. If you don't like mine , that's fine. But because I don't agree with your thoughts you throw out an insult. SMH. Whatever dude.
Touchy aye.
Show me the direct insult?
Or is it your offended by the truth that YOUR same statement with a few diff words replaced now means something diff to you!
You can punish kids for a small group of abusing ADULTS!!
Just the same as we can punish law abiding gun owners for a small group of derelicts out there!!
We live in sad times when we want to punish kids, the same ones we struggle to get outdoors, because we fell they killing our turkeys.
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Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:59:11 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 04:54:01 PM
Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If justQuote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If just one life is saved it's worth it right?
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one life is saved it's worth it right?
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Dude you need back on your meds throwing that trash my way. Don't even try to throw that at me like I'm a liberal. I said what I said and stand by it. I served this country and bled for it. You twisted a good post with people giving their opinions just like you just did with your response. But don't preach to me about sacrifice when you have no idea of who I am. I did not insult anyone here but you want to throw an insult. I fought for mine and your right to voice our opinion. If you don't like mine , that's fine. But because I don't agree with your thoughts you throw out an insult. SMH. Whatever dude.
Touchy aye.
Show me the direct insult?
Or is it your offended by the truth that YOUR same statement with a few diff words replaced now means something diff to you!
You can punish kids for a small group of abusing ADULTS!!
Just the same as we can punish law abiding gun owners for a small group of derelicts out there!!
We live in sad times when we want to punish kids, the same ones we struggle to get outdoors, because we fell they killing our turkeys.
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Touchy touchy when you tell me about sacrificing some of myself for the greater good when I have sacrificed more than you know. I could care less your outlook on youth season. I stated a fact that some will disagree with. So be it. The topic is about helping the population. This has been talked about 6 ways from Sunday. Again the fact is if a bird is not killed then he is counted in the surviving population. We are talking about population here right. Those few that are killed in youth season don't count right. Neither does killing a bunch of Jake's , they probably won't reach 2 years anyway right? Let's keep thinning out the hens in the fall. We do have a surplus of those.
Yes , I get touchy when you suggest taking a week or 2 from us but let's just use that opening week we took for a youth week. How does that help. Birds still being killed the same days that they take from others. Makes sense huh.
We need to save the birds so much just close the season
Be careful what's wished for, things are progressive, always
And yes, it is diff to me. My grown a** will gladly stand up and take a hit to preserve something for the youth. But maybe I'm just diff
Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 05:13:52 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 05:10:55 PM
Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:59:11 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 04:54:01 PM
Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If justQuote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If just one life is saved it's worth it right?
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one life is saved it's worth it right?
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Dude you need back on your meds throwing that trash my way. Don't even try to throw that at me like I'm a liberal. I said what I said and stand by it. I served this country and bled for it. You twisted a good post with people giving their opinions just like you just did with your response. But don't preach to me about sacrifice when you have no idea of who I am. I did not insult anyone here but you want to throw an insult. I fought for mine and your right to voice our opinion. If you don't like mine , that's fine. But because I don't agree with your thoughts you throw out an insult. SMH. Whatever dude.
Touchy aye.
Show me the direct insult?
Or is it your offended by the truth that YOUR same statement with a few diff words replaced now means something diff to you!
You can punish kids for a small group of abusing ADULTS!!
Just the same as we can punish law abiding gun owners for a small group of derelicts out there!!
We live in sad times when we want to punish kids, the same ones we struggle to get outdoors, because we fell they killing our turkeys.
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Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:59:11 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 04:54:01 PM
Quote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If justQuote from: sasquatch1 on May 15, 2023, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Since we are having a good discussion I'm gonna give my opinion. I agree with most everything suggested here so I'm gonna throw another out there. No youth week. Now I will be hammered and called selfish , but when I was a kid everybody started the same time. I say this because I see it abused. Adults taking kids , shooting birds and saying the kid shot it. These adults will frown and say " you are selfish". However , who is really selfish? If you care about them shooting birds , take them regular season and let them kill them. Sacrifice some of your season for them. I take kids all season long. Also kids have a week long spring break. Again , just my 2 cents from a Mississippi resident.
Gun use and rights get abused
If you cared about the ppl dying you'd give your guns up
Sacrifice some from yourself for the greater good
Who is really selfish? Do you not care about the ppl dying?
See how it sounds the same? If just one life is saved it's worth it right?
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one life is saved it's worth it right?
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Dude you need back on your meds throwing that trash my way. Don't even try to throw that at me like I'm a liberal. I said what I said and stand by it. I served this country and bled for it. You twisted a good post with people giving their opinions just like you just did with your response. But don't preach to me about sacrifice when you have no idea of who I am. I did not insult anyone here but you want to throw an insult. I fought for mine and your right to voice our opinion. If you don't like mine , that's fine. But because I don't agree with your thoughts you throw out an insult. SMH. Whatever dude.
Touchy aye.
Show me the direct insult?
Or is it your offended by the truth that YOUR same statement with a few diff words replaced now means something diff to you!
You can punish kids for a small group of abusing ADULTS!!
Just the same as we can punish law abiding gun owners for a small group of derelicts out there!!
We live in sad times when we want to punish kids, the same ones we struggle to get outdoors, because we fell they killing our turkeys.
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Touchy touchy when you tell me about sacrificing some of myself for the greater good when I have sacrificed more than you know. I could care less your outlook on youth season. I stated a fact that some will disagree with. So be it. The topic is about helping the population. This has been talked about 6 ways from Sunday. Again the fact is if a bird is not killed then he is counted in the surviving population. We are talking about population here right. Those few that are killed in youth season don't count right. Neither does killing a bunch of Jake's , they probably won't reach 2 years anyway right? Let's keep thinning out the hens in the fall. We do have a surplus of those.
Yes , I get touchy when you suggest taking a week or 2 from us but let's just use that opening week we took for a youth week. How does that help. Birds still being killed the same days that they take from others. Makes sense huh.
We need to save the birds so much just close the season
Be careful what's wished for, things are progressive, always
And yes, it is diff to me. My grown a** will gladly stand up and take a hit to preserve something for the youth. But maybe I'm just diff
And this is coming from someone WITHOUT kids
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We can agree to disagree. Has not a damn thing to do with selflessness. It has everything to do with the topic HELPING THE POPULATION RECOVER. I'm done posting on this post because our disagreement has hijacked it. Sorry about that guys. If you want to continue this talk feel free to pm. Me. Over and out.
I'll say it again. We don't need additional rules. We just need greater enforcement of the ones we currently have.
Youth season doesn't need to be eliminated just because a select few dirtbag adults feel the need to start early. That would be punishing the majority for the transgressions of the minority, as was previously illustrated.
I've enjoyed the last several years of youth hunting with my son. He has killed 4 birds since he was 9 (he's 14 now). All but 1 of the 4 were killed during regular season. I'm planning on enjoying next season as it will be his last as a youth. And hopefully, my daughter will want to start going before she ages out as well.
As others have said, youth season is the least of our problems. Wanting to do away with youth is not about wanting to save a gobbler, it's about wanting to save one for 7 more days.
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 15, 2023, 06:02:53 PM
I'll say it again. We don't need additional rules. We just need greater enforcement of the ones we currently have.
Youth season doesn't need to be eliminated just because a select few dirtbag adults feel the need to start early. That would be punishing the majority for the transgressions of the minority, as was previously illustrated.
I've enjoyed the last several years of youth hunting with my son. He has killed 4 birds since he was 9 (he's 14 now). All but 1 of the 4 were killed during regular season. I'm planning on enjoying next season as it will be his last as a youth. And hopefully, my daughter will want to start going before she ages out as well.
As others have said, youth season is the least of our problems. Wanting to do away with youth is not about wanting to save a gobbler, it's about wanting to save one for 7 more days.
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I get what you are saying but look at the other side of the coin for a minute. What I said seems selfish to many but that's ok. It is what it is. My statement is not intended in any way other than giving everyone something to think about. It simply states that if you take and move regular season back a week then push youth season up that week , what has it accomplished? Many that have kids get offended when they feel that someone is trying to take something from their kids. I get it. I have 2. But what about the guys that work all year and put money into the resource and they don't have kids. So they are suppose to just sacrifice a week of their season when in reality that week is changing nothing?
My opinion is just that, my opinion. I hate big government and more and more restrictions but that's the world we live in. I did not post to start a uproar. I have been on this site a long time and very rarely have a heated discussion. I'm just saying that if you are gonna move the season back for the good of the birds , then do that and don't substitute it . I may be in the minority but that's ok with me. I will voice my opinion and respect yours until the lines crossed.
This post was started asking for peoples thoughts and I gave mine. It is what it is. You have been very cordial with your post and I respect that. Some guys on here know me personally and they will tell you I am for from selfish. I know much of my response is not directed at you. As a matter of fact very little of it is. I just started typing and it spilled over. Good on you for not abusing the system and spending that time with your kids. None of us are promised tomorrow.
I am all for the "youth seasons", my son took his first Longbeard at age 5, with a Remington 870 20 gauge. No blind, sitting between my legs in a creek bottom, he is now 27. I would not trade that for anything.
Initially, I was 100 percent against changing the season, when the state of Louisiana decided to do so. Man, I was flat angry. I called a friend who also was our President for our local NWTF chapter. He explained the logic behind the change. In my area and in my opinion I will admit that I was WRONG!!! It needed doing, and in my opinion, it has WORKED. I have seen more turkeys in the last few years than I had in the previous years.
Also, I know a local guy who was hunting during the youth season with his daughter. She was carrying a 20 gauge, and he was carrying a 12 gauge. HE GOT HIS BUTT CAUGHT!!! His excuse was that he was carrying the 12 gauge in case a bird "hung up." Okay, possible, but in my opinion, she could not have handled that 12 gauge. She was small.
Man y'all try and have a good one, Bo
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Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 08:04:56 PM
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 15, 2023, 06:02:53 PM
I'll say it again. We don't need additional rules. We just need greater enforcement of the ones we currently have.
Youth season doesn't need to be eliminated just because a select few dirtbag adults feel the need to start early. That would be punishing the majority for the transgressions of the minority, as was previously illustrated.
I've enjoyed the last several years of youth hunting with my son. He has killed 4 birds since he was 9 (he's 14 now). All but 1 of the 4 were killed during regular season. I'm planning on enjoying next season as it will be his last as a youth. And hopefully, my daughter will want to start going before she ages out as well.
As others have said, youth season is the least of our problems. Wanting to do away with youth is not about wanting to save a gobbler, it's about wanting to save one for 7 more days.
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I get what you are saying but look at the other side of the coin for a minute. What I said seems selfish to many but that's ok. It is what it is. My statement is not intended in any way other than giving everyone something to think about. It simply states that if you take and move regular season back a week then push youth season up that week , what has it accomplished? Many that have kids get offended when they feel that someone is trying to take something from their kids. I get it. I have 2. But what about the guys that work all year and put money into the resource and they don't have kids. So they are suppose to just sacrifice a week of their season when in reality that week is changing nothing?
My opinion is just that, my opinion. I hate big government and more and more restrictions but that's the world we live in. I did not post to start a uproar. I have been on this site a long time and very rarely have a heated discussion. I'm just saying that if you are gonna move the season back for the good of the birds , then do that and don't substitute it . I may be in the minority but that's ok with me. I will voice my opinion and respect yours until the lines crossed.
This post was started asking for peoples thoughts and I gave mine. It is what it is. You have been very cordial with your post and I respect that. Some guys on here know me personally and they will tell you I am for from selfish. I know much of my response is not directed at you. As a matter of fact very little of it is. I just started typing and it spilled over. Good on you for not abusing the system and spending that time with your kids. None of us are promised tomorrow.
Yes, but that week has always been set aside for youth. I don't like the March 23 opener no more than you do, trust me. But with the new season start date change, March 23 is as late as it will open so some seasons won't be as lean on days as 2023 will be. For example, after 2023 we'll gain days in regular season until it's on the 23rd again in 2030. It's all hypothectical of course as I know a lot can and will likely change during that span of time.
I took your post for exactly what you said it was, your opinion. I was just giving my perspective on your opinion. I hope you took it for what it was intended to be, my opinion. All of this is fun to discuss and has actually caused me to post here more than I have in quite some time. I'm all for a civil discussion on differing opinions.
Shorten season . Stiff fines for feeders .. more enforcement officers for poachers.
Jbird I will disagree on that's the way it has always been, maybe the last 15 years but not when I was growing up. I am going to agree with Jody, S/D on this, I thought the kids alway got a bad draw that it opened to early to give them a quality hunting experience! I am going to lump this in with the precipitation trophy all kids get that play a sport! Let a kid kill one on opening day with all the other hunters in the woods and I think you have created a ture hunter not a precipitation trophy!
Quote from: 3bailey3 on May 15, 2023, 09:36:46 PM
Jbird I will disagree on that's the way it has always been, maybe the last 15 years but not when I was growing up. I am going to agree with Jody, S/D on this, I thought the kids alway got a bad draw that it opened to early to give them a quality hunting experience! I am going to lump this in with the precipitation trophy all kids get that play a sport! Let a kid kill one on opening day with all the other hunters in the woods and I think you have created a ture hunter not a precipitation trophy!
Fair enough. It's been around for quite some time would've been a better way for me to put it.
I don't see the "participation trophy" sentiment being applicable to youth hunting seasons but maybe it's because of how I have taught mine to hunt. He's not been handed any little debbies or juice boxes after any of our hunts like he would be after a tee-ball game.
Quote from: 3bailey3 on May 15, 2023, 09:36:46 PM
Jbird I will disagree on that's the way it has always been, maybe the last 15 years but not when I was growing up. I am going to agree with Jody, S/D on this, I thought the kids alway got a bad draw that it opened to early to give them a quality hunting experience! I am going to lump this in with the precipitation trophy all kids get that play a sport! Let a kid kill one on opening day with all the other hunters in the woods and I think you have created a ture hunter not a precipitation trophy!
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Well said.
Huge diff between 5 year old baseball league (everyone's a winner) participation trophy
And asking a 5 yr old to compete against me for a bird and call it equal
For my stupid opinion and what it's worth.
Maybe we need to have 5 yr olds compete in the NFL, those who succeed have something to really be proud of
While we at it we can remove kid divisions from fishing rodeos too
Suck it up kids, it's time to grow up
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Quote from: Jbird22 on May 15, 2023, 09:56:53 PM
Quote from: 3bailey3 on May 15, 2023, 09:36:46 PM
Jbird I will disagree on that's the way it has always been, maybe the last 15 years but not when I was growing up. I am going to agree with Jody, S/D on this, I thought the kids alway got a bad draw that it opened to early to give them a quality hunting experience! I am going to lump this in with the precipitation trophy all kids get that play a sport! Let a kid kill one on opening day with all the other hunters in the woods and I think you have created a ture hunter not a precipitation trophy!
Fair enough. It's been around for quite some time would've been a better way for me to put it.
I don't see the "participation trophy" sentiment being applicable to youth hunting seasons but maybe it's because of how I have taught mine to hunt. He's not been handed any little debbies or juice boxes after any of our hunts like he would be after a tee-ball game.
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I agree with you on some things you stated. Most advocates of youth season has kids and want to take them. I really have no issue with that other that asking how is that fair for turkey hunters as a whole. If someone does not have kids well too bad. I have kids also so I am speaking objectively. No one has answered what I have asked several times. If you back the season up a week then what good does it do if you allow a select group to hunt that week? Now , if they want to back it up and allow no hunting then that makes more sense. No birds would be harvested during that time frame. I vote for a week for seniors loll! We don't have as many years left to chase them as a kid. :funnyturkey:
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Quote from: Jbird22 on May 15, 2023, 09:56:53 PM
Quote from: 3bailey3 on May 15, 2023, 09:36:46 PM
Jbird I will disagree on that's the way it has always been, maybe the last 15 years but not when I was growing up. I am going to agree with Jody, S/D on this, I thought the kids alway got a bad draw that it opened to early to give them a quality hunting experience! I am going to lump this in with the precipitation trophy all kids get that play a sport! Let a kid kill one on opening day with all the other hunters in the woods and I think you have created a ture hunter not a precipitation trophy!
Fair enough. It's been around for quite some time would've been a better way for me to put it.
I don't see the "participation trophy" sentiment being applicable to youth hunting seasons but maybe it's because of how I have taught mine to hunt. He's not been handed any little debbies or juice boxes after any of our hunts like he would be after a tee-ball game.
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I agree with you on some things you stated. Most advocates of youth season has kids and want to take them. I really have no issue with that other that asking how is that fair for turkey hunters as a whole. If someone does not have kids well too bad. I have kids also so I am speaking objectively. No one has answered what I have asked several times. If you back the season up a week then what good does it do if you allow a select group to hunt that week? Now , if they want to back it up and allow no hunting then that makes more sense. No birds would be harvested during that time frame. I vote for a week for seniors loll! We don't have as many years left to chase them as a kid. :funnyturkey:
It has been answered but I will answer it more directly. Yes, regular season is being shortened by 8 days from 2023 to 2024. However, youth season should still start 7 days prior to opener of youth season as it has been for the past several years. Youth season is not taking opportunity away from regular season but is moving along with it instead.
One more question and I'll let this go. As a parent, are/were you an advocate of the child tax credit or do you think it's unfair to taxpayers who don't have children?
Jbird you know Morgan, just checking....
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Quote from: Spitten and drummen on May 15, 2023, 10:11:56 PM
Quote from: Jbird22 on May 15, 2023, 09:56:53 PM
Quote from: 3bailey3 on May 15, 2023, 09:36:46 PM
Jbird I will disagree on that's the way it has always been, maybe the last 15 years but not when I was growing up. I am going to agree with Jody, S/D on this, I thought the kids alway got a bad draw that it opened to early to give them a quality hunting experience! I am going to lump this in with the precipitation trophy all kids get that play a sport! Let a kid kill one on opening day with all the other hunters in the woods and I think you have created a ture hunter not a precipitation trophy!
Fair enough. It's been around for quite some time would've been a better way for me to put it.
I don't see the "participation trophy" sentiment being applicable to youth hunting seasons but maybe it's because of how I have taught mine to hunt. He's not been handed any little debbies or juice boxes after any of our hunts like he would be after a tee-ball game.
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I agree with you on some things you stated. Most advocates of youth season has kids and want to take them. I really have no issue with that other that asking how is that fair for turkey hunters as a whole. If someone does not have kids well too bad. I have kids also so I am speaking objectively. No one has answered what I have asked several times. If you back the season up a week then what good does it do if you allow a select group to hunt that week? Now , if they want to back it up and allow no hunting then that makes more sense. No birds would be harvested during that time frame. I vote for a week for seniors loll! We don't have as many years left to chase them as a kid. :funnyturkey:
It has been answered but I will answer it more directly. Yes, regular season is being shortened by 8 days from 2023 to 2024. However, youth season should still start 7 days prior to opener of youth season as it has been for the past several years. Youth season is not taking opportunity away from regular season but is moving along with it instead.
One more question and I'll let this go. As a parent, are/were you an advocate of the child tax credit or do you think it's unfair to taxpayers who don't have children?
I'm done. Not gonna talk politics here. It will just get my blood boiling. I knew I would ruffle feathers with the youth thing. Sad thing is , there are many here who feel the same way but just won't say anything because it's sacrilegious and to be honest just don't want to deal with the fallout. Me , doesn't matter. I served this country honorably to protect the rights of everyone even if I don't agree with them. I will say for example I don't agree with those who kneel for the anthem but I will not attack them. I fought for their right to do so even if I don't agree with them. If I force my belief on them then I'm no better than those I fought against. Good luck and enjoy many youth seasons to come.
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Jbird I will disagree on that's the way it has always been, maybe the last 15 years but not when I was growing up. I am going to agree with Jody, S/D on this, I thought the kids alway got a bad draw that it opened to early to give them a quality hunting experience! I am going to lump this in with the precipitation trophy all kids get that play a sport! Let a kid kill one on opening day with all the other hunters in the woods and I think you have created a ture hunter not a precipitation trophy!
Fair enough. It's been around for quite some time would've been a better way for me to put it.
I don't see the "participation trophy" sentiment being applicable to youth hunting seasons but maybe it's because of how I have taught mine to hunt. He's not been handed any little debbies or juice boxes after any of our hunts like he would be after a tee-ball game.
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I agree with you on some things you stated. Most advocates of youth season has kids and want to take them. I really have no issue with that other that asking how is that fair for turkey hunters as a whole. If someone does not have kids well too bad. I have kids also so I am speaking objectively. No one has answered what I have asked several times. If you back the season up a week then what good does it do if you allow a select group to hunt that week? Now , if they want to back it up and allow no hunting then that makes more sense. No birds would be harvested during that time frame. I vote for a week for seniors loll! We don't have as many years left to chase them as a kid. :funnyturkey:
It has been answered but I will answer it more directly. Yes, regular season is being shortened by 8 days from 2023 to 2024. However, youth season should still start 7 days prior to opener of youth season as it has been for the past several years. Youth season is not taking opportunity away from regular season but is moving along with it instead.
One more question and I'll let this go. As a parent, are/were you an advocate of the child tax credit or do you think it's unfair to taxpayers who don't have children?
I'm done. Not gonna talk politics here. It will just get my blood boiling. I knew I would ruffle feathers with the youth thing. Sad thing is , there are many here who feel the same way but just won't say anything because it's sacrilegious and to be honest just don't want to deal with the fallout. Me , doesn't matter. I served this country honorably to protect the rights of everyone even if I don't agree with them. I will say for example I don't agree with those who kneel for the anthem but I will not attack them. I fought for their right to do so even if I don't agree with them. If I force my belief on them then I'm no better than those I fought against. Good luck and enjoy many youth seasons to come.
The question I posed had ZERO to do with politics. It was a comparison of the fairness to all turkey hunters pertainig to youth season vs the fairness to all taxpayers pertaining to the child tax credit, nothing more or less.
Quote from: 3bailey3 on May 15, 2023, 11:16:25 PM
Jbird you know Morgan, just checking....
You're welcome to ask him personally if you'd like.
Just wanted to clarify a few things and I know how we got to this point, but.......
1) Youth season isn't going anywhere despite the discussion here
2) The season date change is NOT a done deal, so go to the link provided and give your opinion. It does matter despite what you believe.
3) I am glad people are passionate about turkeys even though we don't all agree on the details
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Quote from: 3bailey3 on May 09, 2023, 09:33:22 PM
Would like to see a 1:00 cut off, I hunted Missouri this season for the first time and I think the 1:00 down time would take some of the pressure off.
Not from MS... We have a 5 pm cut off. Which I think is fine. Late enough to hunt afternoon birds, but no so late we are shooting birds going to roost. We used to have a 3 pm shut off, which was also fine, but admittedly, I have harvested a few birds from 3-5 pm since the time was extended.
But a 1 pm cut off would likely increase morning pressure in the woods.
Guys that normally hunt the woods late morning/early afternoon will all be in the woods at sunrise, and more people will stay out till that shut off.
Thinking you might be taking some pressure off the birds, might add more morning hunting pressure, and less hunting opportunities.
Man, I started to respond to a whole bunch of these posts...but decided not to because I've already stated how I feel and think. What I have gathered is that if an actual vote came up, I'm not real sure which way it would go... what I do know is the sportsman were never given a chance to vote ... and they should have been. Youth seasons have no bearing on populations or turkey biology so it should have been left up to the hunters, period. Unfortunately as has been stated, it's not going anywhere anytime soon...