Do you find it takes a tighter lip pressure on the smaller diameter mouthpieces? On ones with a larger diameter do you find it takes less of a grip of the mouthpiece? .. ... I find the control of your yelping easier with a larger diameter hole in the mouthpiece ... I will agree that sure the smaller diameter takes less air but more of a closed lip on the mouthpiece ... less on the larger ones ... What are the most used drill diameters of a mouthpiece it's all very interesting ... your opinions ... For the ones who want to CRACK JOKES about this post, please move on or why don't you start a new post...
Lips are the same. I hat large diameter mouthpieces.
Quote from: davisd9 on February 17, 2023, 12:05:00 PM
Lips are the same. I hat large diameter mouthpieces.
I agree the lips are the same, but lip pressure for me is different depending on the dia, of the mouthpiece ...
Everything should be muscle memory so there should be no difference
Quote from: davisd9 on February 17, 2023, 12:13:44 PM
Everything should be muscle memory so there should be no difference
I agree ... it's all very interesting ... in this learning process ... i enjoy learning from you guys who have been playing them for a long time and sharing what you have learned over the years. I do appreciate the replies ....
I enjoy a smaller hole, it's easier to get a raspy note
Been thinking and dealing with different diameter mouthpieces lately. I don't like the larger diameter but I'm convinced the wall thickness of the mouthpiece between the lipstop and end has something to do with things too. Anyway, having to pull more air to get one to run is a problem. I've figured out a few things to compensate for that, but at the end of the day a trumpet you can pick up and play well without having to figuring it out will most often make it to the turkey woods.
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Everyone has opinions and i welcome all of them with how you feel it takes to run your trumpets. Small / large / thickness / again this post is about sharing your experience in playing these regardless. SO again i encourage everyone to comment and share information ... It's not so much who's right or wrong but it's about sharing and learning from each other ... that's why we post and have this forum...
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Quote from: Meleagris gallopavo on February 17, 2023, 06:09:04 PM
Been thinking and dealing with different diameter mouthpieces lately. I don't like the larger diameter but I'm convinced the wall thickness of the mouthpiece between the lipstop and end has something to do with things too. Anyway, having to pull more air to get one to run is a problem. I've figured out a few things to compensate for that, but at the end of the day a trumpet you can pick up and play well without having to figuring it out will most often make it to the turkey woods.
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If I misunderstood the angle on your comments, please forgive me and get me back on track, and also - I am anything but the authority on the subject, but my feeling after hundreds of hours playing these type calls is that having to pull more air to get one to run is not so much a mouthpiece issue as it is an internal issue.
For example, a wingbone is just going to take more air to run than most trumpets just due to the internal design. Now, the mouthpiece may affect that some as well, but I feel the internals are the major issue on how much air is needed. That said, I tend more times than not to enjoy a smaller mouthpiece than a larger one as you are stating.
Since I've never made a trumpet, I tend to assume things based on what I see when I look down the internals and how they work when I run them. So one of my assumptions is that the final internal diameter in the barrel is the same through the ferrule and through the end of the mouthpiece. Bigger final diameter means more air to pull. That being said, the internal diameter of the end of the barrel, coupled with the distance of constriction to the final internal diameter plays a role in how much air you pull. However, I think the barrel design and material the barrel is made of have more effect on tone than playability. The internal diameter added to the thickness of the mouthpiece wall determines the total outer diameter of the tip of the mouthpiece. This in turn effects how much pressure you need to apply to your lips to get a seal at the end of mouthpiece. Thicker the tip of the mouthpiece, coupled with a larger internal diameter = harder to play. I'm stopping here as I may have reached a point of no return in showing my ignorance.
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I enjoy just reading all the different comments as it makes you think on maybe trying something different might work better. Been playing trumpets for 20 years but never to old to learn something new.
There are so many variables between instruments and lips that I think (guess) that there are mouthpiece diameters that one person has to clamp down on while another person will get a good seal and draw easily. I prefer the smaller diameter mouth piece and also a smallish stop given the right internals. Maybe my lips are big? I am learning that with my little trumpet I can manipulate the mouth piece and pressure to vary sounds but cannot do that as well with my wing bone or yelper that have bigger diameter mouth pieces. I enjoy playing all these calls but am focusing on the trumpet because (I think) I play it he best.
I myself like a small diameter mouthpiece and a small hole ,the reason why I can control how much pressure I'm pulling in on the call . The lip stop plays a huge factor in that . After you find the sweet spot for the stop it's all control and consistency.i Lean on the stop pretty hard only when I'm doing a kee kee .
Quote from: fordhunt on February 18, 2023, 08:35:41 AM
I myself like a small diameter mouthpiece and a small hole ,the reason why I can control how much pressure I'm pulling in on the call . The lip stop plays a huge factor in that . After you find the sweet spot for the stop it's all control and consistency.i Lean on the stop pretty hard only when I'm doing a kee kee .
I agree about what you said about lipstop placement. Each trumpet I have takes some lipstop adjustments to hit a sweet spot. BTW, the trumpets I got from you have been sounding really good when practicing lately.
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Quote from: Meleagris gallopavo on February 18, 2023, 09:16:55 AM
Quote from: fordhunt on February 18, 2023, 08:35:41 AM
I myself like a small diameter mouthpiece and a small hole ,the reason why I can control how much pressure I'm pulling in on the call . The lip stop plays a huge factor in that . After you find the sweet spot for the stop it's all control and consistency.i Lean on the stop pretty hard only when I'm doing a kee kee .
I agree about what you said about lipstop placement. Each trumpet I have takes some lipstop adjustments to hit a sweet spot. BTW, the trumpets I got from you have been sounding really good when practicing lately.
I appreciate you bro ..
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Does anyone find that the angle that they have the trumpet in their mouth makes a difference? I mean just strait in horizontal to the ground, tilted up, tilted down or maybe even cocked to the side at an angle maybe? Thanks.
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 18, 2023, 07:37:00 PM
Does anyone find that the angle that they have the trumpet in their mouth makes a difference? I mean just strait in horizontal to the ground, tilted up, tilted down or maybe even cocked to the side at an angle maybe? Thanks.
Yes.
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Quote from: USMC0331 on February 18, 2023, 07:44:45 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 18, 2023, 07:37:00 PM
Does anyone find that the angle that they have the trumpet in their mouth makes a difference? I mean just strait in horizontal to the ground, tilted up, tilted down or maybe even cocked to the side at an angle maybe? Thanks.
Yes.
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Is there one that works best for all or is it an individual thing? Thank you.
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 18, 2023, 07:50:53 PM
Quote from: USMC0331 on February 18, 2023, 07:44:45 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 18, 2023, 07:37:00 PM
Does anyone find that the angle that they have the trumpet in their mouth makes a difference? I mean just strait in horizontal to the ground, tilted up, tilted down or maybe even cocked to the side at an angle maybe? Thanks.
Yes.
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Is there one that works best for all or is it an individual thing? Thank you.
It really comes down to the individual. Everyone's lips are slightly different. I ply mine slightly right of center. Also I push the mouthpiece up slightly where part of it is on my lip. I get good rasp from relaxing my lips slightly, and that allows a slight vibration in my draw creating rasp. If I want cleaner yelps , I position the mouthpiece off both lips. Of course I also change the way I draw my air. It is very hard to explain methods of playing a trumpet in words.
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Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 18, 2023, 07:50:53 PM
Quote from: USMC0331 on February 18, 2023, 07:44:45 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 18, 2023, 07:37:00 PM
Does anyone find that the angle that they have the trumpet in their mouth makes a difference? I mean just strait in horizontal to the ground, tilted up, tilted down or maybe even cocked to the side at an angle maybe? Thanks.
Yes.
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Is there one that works best for all or is it an individual thing? Thank you.
It really comes down to the individual. Everyone's lips are slightly different. I ply mine slightly right of center. Also I push the mouthpiece up slightly where part of it is on my lip. I get good rasp from relaxing my lips slightly, and that allows a slight vibration in my draw creating rasp. If I want cleaner yelps , I position the mouthpiece off both lips. Of course I also change the way I draw my air. It is very hard to explain methods of playing a trumpet in words.
Thank you.
Quote from: davisd9 on February 17, 2023, 12:13:44 PM
Everything should be muscle memory so there should be no difference
Agreed. That does seem to come with LOTS of practice on many different yelpers.
I don't put much pressure on the lip stop at all....just a gage. I play all mouthpieces....big, small, flat, round, the same....with "soft lips". That allows them to seal easier (for me).
There is a reason why the old timers used hen bones in their wingbones. Please don't start killing hens to get your bones unless hens are legal and in abundance. Without a doubt, the size of the hole in the mouthpiece of a trumpet plays a part in the playing and of the tone, of course. And then, are the internals of a caller, wingbone or trumpet.
I will vary my lip shape (pushed out, neutral, or pulled back over my teeth), position (center, slightly offset, middle of 1 side), and tightness (relaxed or pinched on the MP) to get different sounding yelps - clear, rasp, hen, jake, etc. when I am really on my game I can get out some very soft feeding calls. and the other extreme is gobbles. the kee kee is what still, frustratingly, eludes me on the trumpet. I can get it, but I am very inconsistent.
I'm in my first year hunting with trumpets, but something subtle jumped out at me this weekend. I couldn't understand why I was struggling yesterday morning, especially after I was playing fine on the drive in while practicing. I realized my facemask had rode up a bit and was inducing a little pressure on my bottle lip, making it difficult to play with relaxed lips. I have been pulling down my facemask to play, but that is not going to work. The elastic, as light as it seems, is putting pressure where it doesn't belong. I cut a hole in my mask to play through. Problem solved.
Thought others learning to play these calls might need this info as well.
I wish I could play a trumpet, I only ever purchased 1 but I sure don't sound turkey with it
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Lip pressure doesn't change for me unless I'm purposefully increasing the pitch, for instance when keeing. But from call to call, I run them all exactly the same.
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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on April 02, 2023, 05:09:35 PM
Lip pressure doesn't change for me unless I'm purposefully increasing the pitch, for instance when keeing. But from call to call, I run them all exactly the same.
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Concur
Quote from: Greg Massey on February 17, 2023, 11:50:41 AM
Do you find it takes a tighter lip pressure on the smaller diameter mouthpieces? On ones with a larger diameter do you find it takes less of a grip of the mouthpiece? .. ... I find the control of your yelping easier with a larger diameter hole in the mouthpiece ... I will agree that sure the smaller diameter takes less air but more of a closed lip on the mouthpiece ... less on the larger ones ... What are the most used drill diameters of a mouthpiece it's all very interesting ... your opinions ... For the ones who want to CRACK JOKES about this post, please move on or why don't you start a new post...
I have two trumpets...one is .155" at the tip, .081" ID. The other is a bit smaller in both dimensions; .148"/.072". I run them the same. I find the larger of the two a bit easier to run...but I wouldn't necessarily attribute tip size because of the internals, length etc. Also I'm more of a beginner than most of you, but getting there. EZ advised me of "loose lips" and it's paying off. I only tighten my lips to get a higher tone, e.g. a kee kee. Also, and it may be just me, if I draw with the mouthpiece more touching my upper lip I get a higher tone, more touching my lower lip, lower tone.
Quote from: Ondavirg on April 02, 2023, 03:09:31 PM
I'm in my first year hunting with trumpets, but something subtle jumped out at me this weekend. I couldn't understand why I was struggling yesterday morning, especially after I was playing fine on the drive in while practicing. I realized my facemask had rode up a bit and was inducing a little pressure on my bottle lip, making it difficult to play with relaxed lips. I have been pulling down my facemask to play, but that is not going to work. The elastic, as light as it seems, is putting pressure where it doesn't belong. I cut a hole in my mask to play through. Problem solved.
Thought others learning to play these calls might need this info as well.
After I read this I realized I didn't have a plan for my face mask. I have something I've been thinking about for years but haven't tried it. I'm going to try it this year and I share with the group how it goes.
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agreed. I started with a Permar Improved Jordan.
I'm finally starting to be able to play with looser lips like Davisd9 tried to help me learn months ago and I can notice a big difference in my sound and the level of rasp I'm able to achieve. I've been using this method on all my calls and I think it sounds better on all except my gwaltney. For some reason with that call I prefer to have my lips a little tighter as it gives me a nice clear two note help that sounds awesome to my ears at least. I think a lot of it is personal preference and which sound you're wanting to achieve
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Great comments. I'm in process of learning as well. Gotta figure it out so thank everyone for help
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Ironic, as my Gwaltney (older style) almost vibrates and creates one of the best rasp of any of my trumpets. Seems like it has some thin walls despite it having the bulbous middle.
Great discussion.
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Mine is the old style as well. I sure love the unique look of them
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I find that the lip pressure is determined by what sound i want to make, for raspy yelps is looser, for cuts and kee kees the lip are tighter, and almost pinched off behind the mouthpiece, regardless the diameter of the opening. Lost the lip stop off my favorite trumpet a few years ago, havent found it to be hinderance, also use two very different diameter mouthpiece wingbones, same approach, different tone . Years back fella killed a bearded hen in Kansas, told me if i made him a wingbone i could have the other set, this will raise eyebrows but i dont even carry the hen wingbone. Had more success with the others.
I think the less pressure the better. Tightened up , tense lips cause me problems. If my sound is off, I usually can loosen my lips and get straitened out.
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