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I got my first trumpet back in 2019 and since then I have fell in love with them. It's a big learning curve and I'm still not the best at using them but can yelp up a Turkey. I know some of you guys have been using them for quite some time, so my question is, what's the difference?. I have a jordon style yelper made from Kenneth Mullins, I have a Corian Trumpet from Kenneth Mullins, I have one that has a snow goose bone mouth piece from Mike Robare, and I have a ABW from Irving Whitt, and I had one from Daryl Gosey. To my ear, they all sound the same except for the Mike Robare. I know the internals are different and they're all different woods etc, but is it the way I play them?. Or all trumpets/yelpers fairly similar?.


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Playability is the biggest difference, sound run easier than others but that is personal like a mouth call. Tighter internals can make it higher pitched.

I hate M. .......................

I personally think all my trumpets sound a little different, even the ones made from the same call maker.
Each one has a unique tone and sound, different lengths, wood and mouthpiece material.

thanks

There are similarities in common between all yelpers, sure, but to me wingbones sound very different from Jordans and Jordans sound very different than Roanokes and Roanokes sound very different than trumpets. Internal diameter of the mouthpiece, design of the mouthpiece (round, oval, flat, slotted, etc), length of the call, internal diameter of the barrel and the taper of that diameter, bell design, what's going on in the middle section of the call, ALL of that is affecting tuning and sound. Some play quick, some play slower. Some are naturally higher, some carry more gobbler tones. A good example would be to play a Permar wingbone then play his Jordan then play his 1917 then play his 1920 then play his 1930 or delrin classic then play a .45 and then play a gobbler trumpet. If you don't hear major sound differences in roll over, pitch, etc. you might have some hearing loss


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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on February 13, 2023, 09:55:36 AM
There are similarities in common between all yelpers, sure, but to me wingbones sound very different from Jordans and Jordans sound very different than Roanokes and Roanokes sound very different than trumpets. Internal diameter of the mouthpiece, design of the mouthpiece (round, oval, flat, slotted, etc), length of the call, internal diameter of the barrel and the taper of that diameter, bell design, what's going on in the middle section of the call, ALL of that is affecting tuning and sound. Some play quick, some play slower. Some are naturally higher, some carry more gobbler tones. A good example would be to play a Permar wingbone then play his Jordan then play his 1917 then play his 1920 then play his 1930 or delrin classic and end with a .45. If you don't hear major sound differences in roll over, pitch, etc. you might have some hearing loss


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According to the hearing screen at work, I do have some hearing loss in my left ear lol. The Irving Whitt does have a quicker rollover than my ones from Kenneth. But all are pretty high pitch. I wasn't sure if it was just the way I play them or if most of them are pretty similar


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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on February 13, 2023, 09:55:36 AM
There are similarities in common between all yelpers, sure, but to me wingbones sound very different from Jordans and Jordans sound very different than Roanokes and Roanokes sound very different than trumpets. Internal diameter of the mouthpiece, design of the mouthpiece (round, oval, flat, slotted, etc), length of the call, internal diameter of the barrel and the taper of that diameter, bell design, what's going on in the middle section of the call, ALL of that is affecting tuning and sound. Some play quick, some play slower. Some are naturally higher, some carry more gobbler tones. A good example would be to play a Permar wingbone then play his Jordan then play his 1917 then play his 1920 then play his 1930 or delrin classic and end with a .45. If you don't hear major sound differences in roll over, pitch, etc. you might have some hearing loss


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X2  ... I agree, they all have a difference in how they want to be played. Each type has a unique sound and tone. Mouthpiece has a lot to do with ease of play and how you control the air flow. Style and build play a part in playability. IMO     tal from the forum and i had a long discussion about this same question last night and he shared some great information and knowledge about these air calls. After you start playing them they are hard to put down. The learning curve of the different styles of these calls is pretty unique.

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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on February 13, 2023, 09:55:36 AM
There are similarities in common between all yelpers, sure, but to me wingbones sound very different from Jordans and Jordans sound very different than Roanokes and Roanokes sound very different than trumpets. Internal diameter of the mouthpiece, design of the mouthpiece (round, oval, flat, slotted, etc), length of the call, internal diameter of the barrel and the taper of that diameter, bell design, what's going on in the middle section of the call, ALL of that is affecting tuning and sound. Some play quick, some play slower. Some are naturally higher, some carry more gobbler tones. A good example would be to play a Permar wingbone then play his Jordan then play his 1917 then play his 1920 then play his 1930 or delrin classic and end with a .45. If you don't hear major sound differences in roll over, pitch, etc. you might have some hearing loss


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According to the hearing screen at work, I do have some hearing loss in my left ear lol. The Irving Whitt does have a quicker rollover than my ones from Kenneth. But all are pretty high pitch. I wasn't sure if it was just the way I play them or if most of them are pretty similar


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I've got hearing loss too, but unfortunately mine is low tones which means I miss gobbles

Seriously, if you've got some small drill bits check and see the internal diameters of the mouthpieces and compare the ones you've got. Smaller internals on mouthpieces play higher. Obviously there's a lot more goes into it than that and I'm no callmaker or expert, but that's absolutely why gobbler bones play deeper than hen bones. Might just think about getting you a call that's made to carry some deeper tones if it's something you want to play around with. Permar makes some great lower toned options including that gobbler yelper I mentioned earlier.


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Agree, we talked about this last night about how the mouthpiece makes a big difference in playing these calls and sounds and tones they create as you play them.  Hole diameter does make a difference.  CesterCopperpot is spot on with his posts and information he's sharing with all of us ... Good Post everyone ...lots of good information. I agree I'm just in the learning stages myself with trying to gain all the information i can in how these different calls work and play.  In my opinion the mouthpiece does make a difference along with internals.

Get one from all makers and hunt the one that sounds best to your ears.

Quote from: silvestris on February 13, 2023, 10:21:16 AM
Get one from all makers and hunt the one that sounds best to your ears.

This is a possibility, because as you play and learning these calls, you have either got to find that happy medium in that one style of call for doing it all , or at least have two of these calls to cover a larger range in achieving the pitch / high / low and tones in all that your looking for in these type calls .. I don't see myself just using one of these, i see myself using at least two of these calls.

The thing I've noticed that's really come to define which calls I prefer boils down to how much air is required to run the call. I personally think that the best calls require very little air to run. Tony Ezolt's wingbones and Jordans compared to those made by other callmakers is a real good example. In my opinion, Anthony Ellis' XT requires the least air of any call I've ever run. They are just finely, finely tuned.

With that said, my wife is in the process of learning to play a yelper. Early on in that learning process the tendency is always to draw WAY too much air. Because of that, beginners have a tendency to blow out those really finely tuned calls that I prefer. I've noticed that sometimes they sound better on calls that require more air. I guess in the end it all just boils down to personal preference and learning what those preferences are then letting the turkeys decide if you were right or wrong


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Do you think the different types of material used to make the mouthpiece make that big of a difference? WHY i ask is again I'm learning...

Quote from: Greg Massey on February 13, 2023, 10:35:13 AM
Do you think the different types of material used to make the mouthpiece make that big of a difference? WHY i ask is again I'm learning...

For sure. Especially when you move to something like metal. I've got a micarta, buffalo horn, and a brass in the XT and that brass is just so, so different. I like them all, just different. Those new all aluminum calls Anthony is making are very different beasts. I know Tony Ezolt has lined some calls and worked metal into the internals to accomplish that same sort of thing. Similar to how much different a delrin barrel plays compared to a wood barrel.


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Just think of sound waves and how they vibrate, do deferent materials and the thickness of said materials have an effect on the sound waves. Most would not be noticeable to humans but who knows about turkeys

Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on February 13, 2023, 10:47:26 AM

Quote from: Greg Massey on February 13, 2023, 10:35:13 AM
Do you think the different types of material used to make the mouthpiece make that big of a difference? WHY i ask is again I'm learning...

For sure. Especially when you move to something like metal. I've got a micarta, buffalo horn, and a brass in the XT and that brass is just so, so different. I like them all, just different. Those new all aluminum calls Anthony is making are very different beasts. I know Tony Ezolt has lined some calls and worked metal into the internals to accomplish that same sort of thing. Similar to how much different a delrin barrel plays compared to a wood barrel.


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To me, all the ones I have are high pitched, and also have pretty small bores on the mouth pieces, and they require very little air in my experience with them. I'd like to get one with a lower pitch tone but not exactly a gobbler type tone. I've also not figured out how to place the mouth piece and draw air like the farmer method, but I don't think I'm smacking my lips like you would a wing bone either. These trumpets are a different animal but tons of fun!. I play each one of them at least once a day or every other day for a few minutes since I've gotten them.


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This Jordan set is a really great example of everything we're talking about. Both are a combination of titanium and copper. The mouthpieces on both are titanium and they play very, very differently than a bone mouthpiece on an Ezolt Jordan or a delrin mouthpiece on a Permar Jordan. Likewise, the metal internals play very, very differently than the cane of an Ezolt or the wood or phenolic resin of a Permar. Then look at the internal diameters of the barrels on this set. All the internals on these two calls are drastically different and they play drastically different. All of it matters. All of it affects playability and sound. Now we just need to get these calls of mine in the hands of someone like [mention]Terry [/mention] so we can actually hear how incredible their potential really is
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Wow, what great looking calls.
Are those marks on the barrel or are the holes?

thanks,

I've also noticed a difference in the overall thickness of the bell of some calls and how some run a thinner bell.... I would assume this makes a difference in tones. Just like the two you just posted have a different thickness ...  interesting for sure ...  Again for myself i like the bell shaped trumpets. I'm not a fan of the straight type bells or some builders, i see people buying these and i see these sold on a regular basis.

Quote from: 25_06 on February 13, 2023, 11:08:41 AM
Wow, what great looking calls.
Are those marks on the barrel or are the holes?

thanks,

Holes. They wormy copper


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Thanks,

I never seen that before.

Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on February 13, 2023, 11:23:05 AM

Quote from: 25_06 on February 13, 2023, 11:08:41 AM
Wow, what great looking calls.
Are those marks on the barrel or are the holes?

thanks,

Holes. They wormy copper


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Man, you have some bad boy worms in your neck of the woods.

What's everyone's opinion on bell thinner and what you think it takes as far as back pressure? Do you see the thicker bells taking less back pressure in achieving the sounds and tones?  Do you feel it takes less finger covering the bell, in doing so are these easier to play?  Say one handed ...

Quote from: Greg Massey on February 13, 2023, 11:38:07 AM
What's everyone's opinion on bell thinner and what you think it takes as far as back pressure? Do you see the thicker bells taking less back pressure in achieving the sounds and tones?  Do you feel it takes less finger covering the bell, in doing so are these easier to play?  Say one handed ...

Are you meaning wall diameter or exit diameter or both? I think larger diameter internals are going to tend to require more air. More open bell designs are going to tend to require more coverage to achieve back pressure, assuming the call isn't baffled. In my opinion the yelpers that are easiest to run one handed are the Jordan and the chibouk.


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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on February 13, 2023, 11:48:36 AM

Quote from: Greg Massey on February 13, 2023, 11:38:07 AM
What's everyone's opinion on bell thinner and what you think it takes as far as back pressure? Do you see the thicker bells taking less back pressure in achieving the sounds and tones?  Do you feel it takes less finger covering the bell, in doing so are these easier to play?  Say one handed ...

Are you meaning wall diameter or exit diameter or both? I think larger diameter internals are going to tend to require more air. More open bell designs are going to tend to require more coverage to achieve back pressure, assuming the call isn't baffled. In my opinion the yelpers that are easiest to run one handed are the Jordan and the chibouk.


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Both ...

Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on February 13, 2023, 10:29:47 AM
The thing I've noticed that's really come to define which calls I prefer boils down to how much air is required to run the call. I personally think that the best calls require very little air to run.

Scott - just my :z-twocents:....

As suggested find the one yelper of those you already have that sounds good to your ear.

Once you do that, put the others away. Stick to that one call until you master controlling the air flow on that one call. That will shorten your learning curve significantly.

Jumping back and forth while learning how to run a yelper forces you to accommodate and change how you fit it, draw on it, create correct back pressure. Switching to a different yelper restarts the learning clock all over again.

Pick one, and learn how to run that one before worrying about all the others. Get the fundamentals right first.

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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on February 13, 2023, 10:29:47 AM
The thing I've noticed that's really come to define which calls I prefer boils down to how much air is required to run the call. I personally think that the best calls require very little air to run.

Scott - just my :z-twocents:....

As suggested find the one yelper of those you already have that sounds good to your ear.

Once you do that, put the others away. Stick to that one call until you master controlling the air flow on that one call. That will shorten your learning curve significantly.

Jumping back and forth while learning how to run a yelper forces you to accommodate and change how you fit it, draw on it, create correct back pressure. Switching to a different yelper restarts the learning clock all over again.

Pick one, and learn how to run that one before worrying about all the others. Get the fundamentals right first.

I agree with using one to learn with, but i don't think you can achieve everything you want with just that one trumpet .. IMO

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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on February 13, 2023, 10:29:47 AM
The thing I've noticed that's really come to define which calls I prefer boils down to how much air is required to run the call. I personally think that the best calls require very little air to run.

Scott - just my :z-twocents:....

As suggested find the one yelper of those you already have that sounds good to your ear.

Once you do that, put the others away. Stick to that one call until you master controlling the air flow on that one call. That will shorten your learning curve significantly.

Jumping back and forth while learning how to run a yelper forces you to accommodate and change how you fit it, draw on it, create correct back pressure. Switching to a different yelper restarts the learning clock all over again.

Pick one, and learn how to run that one before worrying about all the others. Get the fundamentals right first.

I appreciate the advice. I've owned them all for over a year now and don't really have a problem making a cluck, or yelp on any of them. I just can't seem to figure out the farmer method of making the sounds with my throat. I'd consider myself capable of killing a bird with any of them, maybe I worded my question incorrectly but what I was asking specifically was more or less are all yelpers the same pitch. The ones I have are all more of a higher pitch than I like personally to fit my hen in my head but I didn't want to keep spending money to try to find that hen if they're all the high, clear pitch. I understand that the user adds the rasp themselves, but wasn't sure if the high pitch is me or the calls.


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Quote from: ScottTaulbee on February 13, 2023, 12:03:31 PM
...I didn't want to keep spending money to try to find that hen if they're all the high, clear pitch. I understand that the user adds the rasp themselves, but wasn't sure if the high pitch is me or the calls.

If you have a good grasp of the fundamentals, recommend getting your name on the list for a Permar .45 or classic. Either will produce the hen tone you looking for.

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Quote from: ScottTaulbee on February 13, 2023, 12:03:31 PM
...I didn't want to keep spending money to try to find that hen if they're all the high, clear pitch. I understand that the user adds the rasp themselves, but wasn't sure if the high pitch is me or the calls.

If you have a good grasp of the fundamentals, recommend getting your name on the list for a Permar .45 or classic. Either will produce the hen tone you looking for.

I appreciate it greatly. I'll get ahold of him.


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Quote from: ScottTaulbee on February 13, 2023, 12:03:31 PM
...but what I was asking specifically was more or less are all yelpers the same pitch.

No, you worded the question perfectly and the thread built into larger questions about yelpers in general. As I said in my first post, they're most certainly not all the same pitch and a lot goes into determining that. The Jordan I posted, the one on the right is pitched more like a jake or gobbler, and the one on the left is pitched more like a young hen. If you want a deeper tone, I suggest Permar as I said, but not the .45 or classic. The classic is a high pitched call. The .45 is a mature hen (and that may work for you). The deeper pitched calls are calls like his gobbler trumpet or his Roanoke trumpet. He breaks the calls down by pitch on his website.


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Yes, i think from his original question we are pass the basic fundamentals, talking more about the tones and pitches of different styles and hole dia. of the mouthpieces etc... playability .... etc...

This is just probably myself but with the smaller higher pitch trumpets i see myself losing control of my lip pressure more than i do with the ones that have a larger dia, and are not as high of a pitch.  IMO

There is so much to unpack in this thread....let me just say that everything effects the tone, pitch, draw, etc....Greg mentioned something that I haven't seen before here, and that is bell wall thickness. I can tell quite a bit of difference when a bell end is left with more/less meat on it, as well as the final shape/dimensions. Matter of fact, a trumpet goes through many tonal/playability differences as it is reduced (everywhere) to its final shape. Fascinating really, I play them from blank to final shape and am always intrigued by the different "turkeys" throughout the process. Don't forget the lipstop as it is another variable that is often overlooked.

Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on February 13, 2023, 12:13:45 PM

Quote from: ScottTaulbee on February 13, 2023, 12:03:31 PM
...but what I was asking specifically was more or less are all yelpers the same pitch.

No, you worded the question perfectly and the thread built into larger questions about yelpers in general. As I said in my first post, they're most certainly not all the same pitch and a lot goes into determining that. The Jordan I posted, the one on the right is pitched more like a jake or gobbler, and the one on the left is pitched more like a young hen. If you want a deeper tone, I suggest Permar as I said, but not the .45 or classic. The classic is a high pitched call. The .45 is a mature hen (and that may work for you). The deeper pitched calls are calls like his gobbler trumpet or his Roanoke trumpet. He breaks the calls down by pitch on his website.


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I just took a look at the website and I agree, possibly the 45 or the Roanoke is more what I'm after based on his website. I like the more mature coarser tone


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I'm an open book for any type of education that you more experienced callers and makers want to give me. I like the trumpet calls more than any pot call or box call I'd ever carry and have actually thinned down to a trumpet, a pack of mouth calls and 1 pot from a vest full. I love the things!.


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Quote from: GregGwaltney on February 13, 2023, 12:32:06 PM
There is so much to unpack in this thread....let me just say that everything effects the tone, pitch, draw, etc....Greg mentioned something that I haven't seen before here, and that is bell wall thickness. I can tell quite a bit of difference when a bell end is left with more/less meat on it, as well as the final shape/dimensions. Matter of fact, a trumpet goes through many tonal/playability differences as it is reduced (everywhere) to its final shape. Fascinating really, I play them from blank to final shape and am always intrigued by the different "turkeys" throughout the process. Don't forget the lipstop as it is another variable that is often overlooked.

Yes, I totally agree ...  as a builder you see and hear things in my opinion that we are trying to achieve in more than one finished trumpet .. thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge.

Quote from: ScottTaulbee on February 13, 2023, 12:36:00 PM
I'm an open book for any type of education that you more experienced callers and makers want to give me. I like the trumpet calls more than any pot call or box call I'd ever carry and have actually thinned down to a trumpet, a pack of mouth calls and 1 pot from a vest full. I love the things!.


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Greg Gwaltney who just chimed in on this thread is another callmaker who could definitely tune a yelper toward what you're wanting to get out of it. From the sounds of it, I think a jake type tone is what you seem to be wanting. Ralph's Roanoke trumpet will give you that for sure. His .45 is just a great, all around mature hen. What I'm getting at, though, is that with these really talented makers like Greg you can tell them what sound you're trying to get and they can build a call and tune it for that pitch.


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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on February 13, 2023, 01:01:40 PM

Quote from: ScottTaulbee on February 13, 2023, 12:36:00 PM
I'm an open book for any type of education that you more experienced callers and makers want to give me. I like the trumpet calls more than any pot call or box call I'd ever carry and have actually thinned down to a trumpet, a pack of mouth calls and 1 pot from a vest full. I love the things!.


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Greg Gwaltney who just chimed in on this thread is another callmaker who could definitely tune a yelper toward what you're wanting to get out of it. From the sounds of it, I think a jake type tone is what you seem to be wanting. Ralph's Roanoke trumpet will give you that for sure. His .45 is just a great, all around mature hen. What I'm getting at, though, is that with these really talented makers like Greg you can tell them what sound you're trying to get and they can build a call and tune it for that pitch.


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I plan to call Ralph after work. I might also get with Greg. I've been eyeballing his calls for some time


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Quote from: paboxcall on February 13, 2023, 11:54:08 AM

Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on February 13, 2023, 10:29:47 AM
Pick one, and learn how to run that one before worrying about all the others. Get the fundamentals right first.

I agree with this. Eliminate as many variables as possible until you get to where you want to be. If you work hard enough to become proficient, you'll be able to imitate many different hens and even Jakes on one trumpet assuming you choose a good one to begin with.


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Every change in internal and external dimensions, materials, etc. can change the sound as will how a person plays the caller.  Much like any musical instrument.

Practice first at low volume.  Learn to control airflow and then move up in volume as you learn an acceptable range.

I agree Randy, but we are looking deeper into these changes with what we are seeing and hearing in these calls... It's all interesting information, and that's why we are disusing this about trumpet, without discussing the different make up of these instrument have do we understand the overall playability of what we are trying to accomplish in sounds and tones ...  But i agree with practice ...

Quote from: randywallace on February 13, 2023, 02:24:15 PM
Every change in internal and external dimensions, materials, etc. can change the sound as will how a person plays the caller.  Much like any musical instrument.

Practice first at low volume.  Learn to control airflow and then move up in volume as you learn an acceptable range.

Bingo!

Like Greg said, there's so much to unpack here. Some great advise but so much that it can be very confusing.

I won't even try to address everything being asked. I will make a few, what I consider, very important statements about learning on yelpers of any kind.

Stop trying to sound like Zack Farmer and Marl Prudhomme. You need to crawl before you can walk and walk before you can run and run before you can run like Michael Johnson (if ever). They even design their call for the way they play. Not that you can't use that technique with other calls, but you MUST master air control (as Randy said) first and foremost.

Learn the air control on ONE call. It generally takes quite a bit of solid practice (years, yes years) of practicing the right way. Once you get pretty good at the control, you will play every call the same way. Your hands may move a little differently and have just about as much to do with your playing as your throat.

When you practice, try not to move your lips at all. That will make sure you are drawing from within your mouth and throat. Draw air as easy as possible. Try to get the high front end note and HOLD it for as long as you can. Do not make any other calls until you can do a nice clean, unbroken note.
That's the "control" everyone is talking about.

Once you get that, come back and ask about step two, lol.

OR, you can be happy where you're at....you're killing turkeys!!!!

Practice , practice , practice , practice

I'm not sure where this got off from the original topic, and I think the question has went off on the wrong direction. I wasn't asking for advice on how to call, or looking for the "magic yelper". I was asking if all the yelpers have the same high pitch because I have 5 or 6 trumpets and all are from different makers except 2 and they all have a high pitch, which I'm not a huge fan of. My question was are all of them like this because the ones I've experienced from different makers are. Not that they're bad, they're just not the hen in my head. I can pick up and play any of them the same way. I've been practicing with trumpets for 4 years now. Anywho, I called Ralph Permar and after he played them for me, I believe the 45 in Delrin is what I'm after. I'm on the list. Thank you for the guys who recommended him


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Quote from: ScottTaulbee on February 13, 2023, 05:21:11 PM
I'm not sure where this got off from the original topic, and I think the question has went off on the wrong direction. I wasn't asking for advice on how to call, or looking for the "magic yelper". I was asking if all the yelpers have the same high pitch because I have 5 or 6 trumpets and all are from different makers except 2 and they all have a high pitch, which I'm not a huge fan of. My question was are all of them like this because the ones I've experienced from different makers are. Not that they're bad, they're just not the hen in my head. I can pick up and play any of them the same way. I've been practicing with trumpets for 4 years now. Anywho, I called Ralph Permar and after he played them for me, I believe the 45 in Delrin is what I'm after. I'm on the list. Thank you for the guys who recommended him


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Sounds like your experience with Ralph answered your question.....But, yeah, not all trumpets are pitched the same and can be altered as well.

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Quote from: ScottTaulbee on February 13, 2023, 05:21:11 PM
I'm not sure where this got off from the original topic, and I think the question has went off on the wrong direction. I wasn't asking for advice on how to call, or looking for the "magic yelper". I was asking if all the yelpers have the same high pitch because I have 5 or 6 trumpets and all are from different makers except 2 and they all have a high pitch, which I'm not a huge fan of. My question was are all of them like this because the ones I've experienced from different makers are. Not that they're bad, they're just not the hen in my head. I can pick up and play any of them the same way. I've been practicing with trumpets for 4 years now. Anywho, I called Ralph Permar and after he played them for me, I believe the 45 in Delrin is what I'm after. I'm on the list. Thank you for the guys who recommended him


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Sounds like your experience with Ralph answered your question.....But, yeah, not all trumpets are pitched the same and can be altered as well.

Thank you Greg, I'd like to get a Delrin from you with a "mature hen" pitch in the future, I've been eye balling yours for awhile now.


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Quote from: ScottTaulbee on February 13, 2023, 05:53:40 PM

Quote from: GregGwaltney on February 13, 2023, 05:50:37 PM

Quote from: ScottTaulbee on February 13, 2023, 05:21:11 PM
I'm not sure where this got off from the original topic, and I think the question has went off on the wrong direction. I wasn't asking for advice on how to call, or looking for the "magic yelper". I was asking if all the yelpers have the same high pitch because I have 5 or 6 trumpets and all are from different makers except 2 and they all have a high pitch, which I'm not a huge fan of. My question was are all of them like this because the ones I've experienced from different makers are. Not that they're bad, they're just not the hen in my head. I can pick up and play any of them the same way. I've been practicing with trumpets for 4 years now. Anywho, I called Ralph Permar and after he played them for me, I believe the 45 in Delrin is what I'm after. I'm on the list. Thank you for the guys who recommended him


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Sounds like your experience with Ralph answered your question.....But, yeah, not all trumpets are pitched the same and can be altered as well.

Thank you Greg, I'd like to get a Delrin from you with a "mature hen" pitch in the future, I've been eye balling yours for awhile now.


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I owned one of Ralph's Delrin .45 myself and liked it a lot, see how the tone sits with you and we can visit again down the road a ways.

Greg

Quote from: Terry on February 13, 2023, 01:56:48 PM
  you'll be able to imitate many different hens and even Jakes on one trumpet assuming you choose a good one to begin with.


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Agree with this point. It is very possible to get different levels of pitch and rasp from a single horn.