This room makes it sound much louder than is was but other than that how does it sound? Not sure I was getting good roll over. https://soundcloud.com/user-933394494/trumpet-practice-3?si=b0ba96e1303e463aaab1ecfff425abe8&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
Correct track this time for second trumpet. https://soundcloud.com/user-933394494/2023_02_07_00_36_44-mp3-1?si=ad9d72e9b3d24d1ab6c359de533a4cbc&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
I'm not a competition caller, I call turkeys. My opinion, you sound pretty good and could definitely call up birds with that. Good luck with the practice.
Quote from: Gobbler-one on February 07, 2023, 12:48:47 AM
I'm not a competition caller, I call turkeys. My opinion, you sound pretty good and could definitely call up birds with that. Good luck with the practice.
Thanks, I sure hope so.
In the spring a cluck and yelp, are all you need, don't over call.
#2 doesn't sound like a trumpet. Do you have the right soundfile attached?
That second sound file sounds like a box or scratch box, if it is a trumpet than the calls you are using sound completely different.
I am going to be honest with you as I always want people to be honest with me. This is meant to help and not be critical. You really do not have good air control. I am guessing you are keeing and trying to transition to a yelp but you do not have the control for it. If we were hunting together I would want to do the calling. You can tell that you may be getting there but air control is not quite there. You need to be able to start and stop the air to make the roll over and get sharpness in clucks. I am not a competitive caller nor have no desire to be but I do listen to real turkeys a lot and I would pick you out as a hunter trying to run a trumpet with no issue if we were in the same property. If this offends you I apologize but I am trying to help as most are just too nice to really get a person's calling improved and if you are like me then that is what you want, improvement.
Quote from: guesswho on February 07, 2023, 12:10:17 PM
#2 doesn't sound like a trumpet. Do you have the right soundfile attached?
You're right, I uploaded wrong track, will add proper one soon.
Quote from: davisd9 on February 07, 2023, 12:14:44 PM
That second sound file sounds like a box or scratch box, if it is a trumpet than the calls you are using sound completely different.
I am going to be honest with you as I always want people to be honest with me. This is meant to help and not be critical. You really do not have good air control. I am guessing you are keeing and trying to transition to a yelp but you do not have the control for it. If we were hunting together I would want to do the calling. You can tell that you may be getting there but air control is not quite there. You need to be able to start and stop the air to make the roll over and get sharpness in clucks. I am not a competitive caller nor have no desire to be but I do listen to real turkeys a lot and I would pick you out as a hunter trying to run a trumpet with no issue if we were in the same property. If this offends you I apologize but I am trying to help as most are just too nice to really get a person's calling improved and if you are like me then that is what you want, improvement.
Never offended by polite criticism, it is how we learn. I was trying for a kee kee run, yelping I tried separate as well as clucks. This was the second trumpet, I had put in the wrong track. By the way, I have hard a very hard time with the draw, the way I undersand it you go from the draw, then drop your jaw from there to get the second note, I have a real problem with that as my jaw is already pretty much all the way down because of my under bite and simply put I have big lips. I do feel I have gotten better but after 3 years I think I should be much better than I am. I have followed all the videos, tried the twizzle stick way of practicing and am honestly frustrated with myself. https://soundcloud.com/user-933394494/2023_02_07_00_36_44-mp3-1?si=ad9d72e9b3d24d1ab6c359de533a4cbc&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
There are questions that one should never ask, lest that others may answer.
Your clucks sound a bit hollow, need to sharpen and shorten those which is easier said than done and requires subtle restraint. Control was mentioned and that is what your working on. But your kee kees would definitely call in birds in the fall, absolutely no doubt. What are you calling with?
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 07, 2023, 02:02:53 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on February 07, 2023, 12:14:44 PM
That second sound file sounds like a box or scratch box, if it is a trumpet than the calls you are using sound completely different.
I am going to be honest with you as I always want people to be honest with me. This is meant to help and not be critical. You really do not have good air control. I am guessing you are keeing and trying to transition to a yelp but you do not have the control for it. If we were hunting together I would want to do the calling. You can tell that you may be getting there but air control is not quite there. You need to be able to start and stop the air to make the roll over and get sharpness in clucks. I am not a competitive caller nor have no desire to be but I do listen to real turkeys a lot and I would pick you out as a hunter trying to run a trumpet with no issue if we were in the same property. If this offends you I apologize but I am trying to help as most are just too nice to really get a person's calling improved and if you are like me then that is what you want, improvement.
Never offended by polite criticism, it is how we learn. I was trying for a kee kee run, yelping I tried separate as well as clucks. This was the second trumpet, I had put in the wrong track. By the way, I have hard a very hard time with the draw, the way I undersand it you go from the draw, then drop your jaw from there to get the second note, I have a real problem with that as my jaw is already pretty much all the way down because of my under bite and simply put I have big lips. I do feel I have gotten better but after 3 years I think I should be much better than I am. I have followed all the videos, tried the twizzle stick way of practicing and am honestly frustrated with myself. https://soundcloud.com/user-933394494/2023_02_07_00_36_44-mp3-1?si=ad9d72e9b3d24d1ab6c359de533a4cbc&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
Stopping/starting air is what makes yelps. No need for jaw dropping. Air control. Trumpets are a musical instrument. Treat them like one
Quote from: paboxcall on February 07, 2023, 04:17:43 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on February 07, 2023, 04:02:07 PM
No need for jaw dropping. Air control.
:agreed:
There is a Ted Pete Peters youtube where he talks about this method, he alternates between sipping water thru a straw and drawing air thru the trumpet, Try His method
I think on the Lewis Stowe youtube He also demonstrates the jaw drop vs straw method of air draw.
I think davisd9 did a great job on a polite critique.
I'm with ol Bob, for right now, especially on sound files drop the Kees and focus on good sharp clucks and your yelps.
In practice for an air control drill (like running scales for any musical instrument) hold the low note as long as you can, the do the same for the high note, do this a couple times and then run a string of yelps and see how they sound.
In a phone call Billy Buice said 10-15 min a day is way more productive than a half hour twice a week.
if you put in some serious daily practice you should get this by spring.
Quote from: silvestris on February 07, 2023, 02:47:35 PM
There are questions that one should never ask, lest that others may answer.
If you never ask a question of those that know more how are you to ever learn correctly? ;D
Quote from: Clayback on February 07, 2023, 03:12:44 PM
Forget stringing all that stuff together. Your cluck and yelp alone, are good enough to fool Turkeys. Stick with single clucks and 3 or 4 note yelps till you get more cofidence. Yes, you sound like someone " kissing and sucking" on a trumpet, but so does most everyone else who will comment on this thread. You will be amazed how much better that will sound at a distance, in the woods. Hunt um up.
Thank you for the kind words. 2 or 3 years ago about a month before the season just after a snow storm I called in 3 or 4 toms using the first trumpet, I just really feel I should be showing more improvement. I truly wish I could just sit along with somebody that knows what they are doing and get some instruction one on one I feel it would help.
Quote from: Zobo on February 07, 2023, 03:51:01 PM
Your clucks sound a bit hollow, need to sharpen and shorten those which is easier said than done and requires subtle restraint. Control was mentioned and that is what your working on. But your kee kees would definitely call in birds in the fall, absolutely no doubt. What are you calling with?
The first the maker has asked me not to mention his name (Who can blame him with how I sound?) the Second is a Pete Peters "Boss" call made from Brazilian Kingwood.
Quote from: davisd9 on February 07, 2023, 04:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 07, 2023, 02:02:53 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on February 07, 2023, 12:14:44 PM
That second sound file sounds like a box or scratch box, if it is a trumpet than the calls you are using sound completely different.
I am going to be honest with you as I always want people to be honest with me. This is meant to help and not be critical. You really do not have good air control. I am guessing you are keeing and trying to transition to a yelp but you do not have the control for it. If we were hunting together I would want to do the calling. You can tell that you may be getting there but air control is not quite there. You need to be able to start and stop the air to make the roll over and get sharpness in clucks. I am not a competitive caller nor have no desire to be but I do listen to real turkeys a lot and I would pick you out as a hunter trying to run a trumpet with no issue if we were in the same property. If this offends you I apologize but I am trying to help as most are just too nice to really get a person's calling improved and if you are like me then that is what you want, improvement.
Never offended by polite criticism, it is how we learn. I was trying for a kee kee run, yelping I tried separate as well as clucks. This was the second trumpet, I had put in the wrong track. By the way, I have hard a very hard time with the draw, the way I undersand it you go from the draw, then drop your jaw from there to get the second note, I have a real problem with that as my jaw is already pretty much all the way down because of my under bite and simply put I have big lips. I do feel I have gotten better but after 3 years I think I should be much better than I am. I have followed all the videos, tried the twizzle stick way of practicing and am honestly frustrated with myself. https://soundcloud.com/user-933394494/2023_02_07_00_36_44-mp3-1?si=ad9d72e9b3d24d1ab6c359de533a4cbc&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
Stopping/starting air is what makes yelps. No need for jaw dropping. Air control. Trumpets are a musical instrument. Treat them like one
Only musical instrument I have ever owned was a B.C. Rick Warlock Bass Guitar I don't think plucking this will work. :P I will try without trying to move the jaw, thanks.
Quote from: paboxcall on February 07, 2023, 04:17:43 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on February 07, 2023, 04:02:07 PM
No need for jaw dropping. Air control.
:agreed:
Thanks.
Quote from: crow on February 07, 2023, 04:50:56 PM
Quote from: paboxcall on February 07, 2023, 04:17:43 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on February 07, 2023, 04:02:07 PM
No need for jaw dropping. Air control.
:agreed:
There is a Ted Pete Peters youtube where he talks about this method, he alternates between sipping water thru a straw and drawing air thru the trumpet, Try His method
I think on the Lewis Stowe youtube He also demonstrates the jaw drop vs straw method of air draw.
I think davisd9 did a great job on a polite critique.
I'm with ol Bob, for right now, especially on sound files drop the Kees and focus on good sharp clucks and your yelps.
In practice for an air control drill (like running scales for any musical instrument) hold the low note as long as you can, the do the same for the high note, do this a couple times and then run a string of yelps and see how they sound.
In a phone call Billy Buice said 10-15 min a day is way more productive than a half hour twice a week.
if you put in some serious daily practice you should get this by spring.
I bought these online right after he posted that video, has helped for sure. Yes David was very polite. I will drop them. One problem having even with all the videos is understanding how to get to each note for some reason it's not clicking in my tiny little excuse for a brain. I can get that high for the kee kee but I'm not sure if that's what I'm supposed to do to get to the other for the Yelp, It wouldn't think so. Same thought process for shooting archery, better shoot 15 minutes of good shots than an hour and a half of not so good shots. Thank you much for the reply, I can use all the help I can get.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230207/c82c25ed5844e446b24448719d964f5c.jpg)
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Quote from: ol bob on February 07, 2023, 12:10:14 PM
In the spring a cluck and yelp, are all you need, don't over call.
Best advice right here, less is more. Just work on a simple cluck and a three note yelp. I was just listening to a hen in my backyard, three note yelping. She sounded horrible.
Quote from: Zobo on February 07, 2023, 09:28:34 PM
Quote from: ol bob on February 07, 2023, 12:10:14 PM
In the spring a cluck and yelp, are all you need, don't over call.
Will see what I can do for sure. Thanks
Best advice right here, less is more. Just work on a simple cluck and a three note yelp. I was just listening to a hen in my backyard, three note yelping. She sounded horrible.
I think your yelps and clucks sound just fine. Not much on kee keeing myself but my calling sucks in general but it does call in a turkey on occasion even with my trumpets and cane yelpers.
I've heard hens out there that sounded a lot worse Steve, keep at it, you're getting there!
Quote from: Tom007 on February 08, 2023, 07:35:18 AM
I've heard hens out there that sounded a lot worse Steve, keep at it, you're getting there!
Those are the hens with no boyfriends, lol. Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
Sir, Thank you for being one brave dude and posting this. I have learned a lot from your posts in general and now I have found your tracks and the responses extremely helpful. We are about on the same plane with trumpet skill so I can apply all of this. One thing that I noted as I listened was that real turkeys do not string all that together. I know that it is practice and I am not an experienced hunter but of the turkeys I have observed, I just don't see it. Some on utube. I practice just like your track. One ongoing stream of (hopefully) turkey talk. I am thinking that I should start practicing with the cadence and quiet gaps that I would use in the woods. Considering other tracks that guys have posted, the ones made outside and with cadence are the best for evaluation. As you stated in your first post the inside sounds don't translate well. I bet if you laid down a track outside with cadence and dropped the kee kees for now it would be real good. Best wishes bro.
Quote from: Brillo on February 08, 2023, 08:40:00 AM
Sir, Thank you for being one brave dude and posting this. I have learned a lot from your posts in general and now I have found your tracks and the responses extremely helpful. We are about on the same plane with trumpet skill so I can apply all of this. One thing that I noted as I listened was that real turkeys do not string all that together. I know that it is practice and I am not an experienced hunter but of the turkeys I have observed, I just don't see it. Some on utube. I practice just like your track. One ongoing stream of (hopefully) turkey talk. I am thinking that I should start practicing with the cadence and quiet gaps that I would use in the woods. Considering other tracks that guys have posted, the ones made outside and with cadence are the best for evaluation. As you stated in your first post the inside sounds don't translate well. I bet if you laid down a track outside with cadence and dropped the kee kees for now it would be real good. Best wishes bro.
Good Post / having a good rhythm while calling ...
I just cluck and yelp a little. Never tried a kee kee because I don't hunt in the fall and I figured it was a better use of time learning to cluck and yelp. Clucking is the easiest for me to do. I can yelp but it's hard to get the cadence and sound right at the same time with a trumpet. The shorter cadence works better than my usual string of 7 yelps.
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Keeing is a good exercise for air control. Never bad to have a back pocket trick either.
you have the basics of how to make a turkey-like sound. now you just need practice. I'll echo - get cluck and then yelp down first. then worry about fancier stuff like kee, gobble, whine, purr, Jake yelp, raspier yelps, soft tree yelps , etc.
find REAL hen talk on YouTube and practice to that. outside sounds more realistic than inside, but inside is close enough to see how you are doing. record yourself outside from 10yds or so away and you will have a better idea of how it actually sounds.
Quote from: Brillo on February 08, 2023, 08:40:00 AM
Sir, Thank you for being one brave dude and posting this. I have learned a lot from your posts in general and now I have found your tracks and the responses extremely helpful. We are about on the same plane with trumpet skill so I can apply all of this. One thing that I noted as I listened was that real turkeys do not string all that together. I know that it is practice and I am not an experienced hunter but of the turkeys I have observed, I just don't see it. Some on utube. I practice just like your track. One ongoing stream of (hopefully) turkey talk. I am thinking that I should start practicing with the cadence and quiet gaps that I would use in the woods. Considering other tracks that guys have posted, the ones made outside and with cadence are the best for evaluation. As you stated in your first post the inside sounds don't translate well. I bet if you laid down a track outside with cadence and dropped the kee kees for now it would be real good. Best wishes bro.
First off sorry for the delay in replying, my pain levels have been through the roof and my hands hurt to much to type, I answers some other short things on other stuff with voice type but that never gets things quite right. I did go outside and make this, not sure it is good though, I wanted to go sit down so bad because I hurt I think it is rushed but it is outside. I do understand what you are saying about cadence for sure. Anyway here is that track. https://soundcloud.com/user-933394494/outside?si=7a4922c012ff4c999d8b6cf02db38b82&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
Quote from: Meleagris gallopavo on February 08, 2023, 03:52:07 PM
I just cluck and yelp a little. Never tried a kee kee because I don't hunt in the fall and I figured it was a better use of time learning to cluck and yelp. Clucking is the easiest for me to do. I can yelp but it's hard to get the cadence and sound right at the same time with a trumpet. The shorter cadence works better than my usual string of 7 yelps.
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There are times I think I sound pretty decent, this was not one of those nights. I Fall hunt so a Kee Kee Run is something I have been working on for about a year and a half. I have to get my Lovett Williams and Spittin' Turkey CD's out, and listen to them in the house, normally would be listening to them already but the CD player in the truck broke and so did the CD Rom drive on the computer. My GF and the dog will just have to tolerate them in the house without headphones this year, they truly do help me.
Quote from: davisd9 on February 08, 2023, 04:10:11 PM
Keeing is a good exercise for air control. Never bad to have a back pocket trick either.
Thanks, I have heard of using them in the Spring but also hunt them in the Fall so it has been something I have been trying to get better at.
Quote from: gmbellew on February 08, 2023, 04:26:28 PM
you have the basics of how to make a turkey-like sound. now you just need practice. I'll echo - get cluck and then yelp down first. then worry about fancier stuff like kee, gobble, whine, purr, Jake yelp, raspier yelps, soft tree yelps , etc.
find REAL hen talk on YouTube and practice to that. outside sounds more realistic than inside, but inside is close enough to see how you are doing. record yourself outside from 10yds or so away and you will have a better idea of how it actually sounds.
Thank you much. I posted an outside above but like I said I was rushing it because I was in a lot of pain so I know I can do better.
gobble, whine, purr, Jake yelp, raspier yelps, soft tree yelps are not even really a thought at this time, I need more work on the basics. I just threw in the attempt at a flydown (or was it a gobble, I don't recall) on the one just for fun, had never tried it before.
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 10, 2023, 09:27:29 AM
Quote from: Brillo on February 08, 2023, 08:40:00 AM
Sir, Thank you for being one brave dude and posting this. I have learned a lot from your posts in general and now I have found your tracks and the responses extremely helpful. We are about on the same plane with trumpet skill so I can apply all of this. One thing that I noted as I listened was that real turkeys do not string all that together. I know that it is practice and I am not an experienced hunter but of the turkeys I have observed, I just don't see it. Some on utube. I practice just like your track. One ongoing stream of (hopefully) turkey talk. I am thinking that I should start practicing with the cadence and quiet gaps that I would use in the woods. Considering other tracks that guys have posted, the ones made outside and with cadence are the best for evaluation. As you stated in your first post the inside sounds don't translate well. I bet if you laid down a track outside with cadence and dropped the kee kees for now it would be real good. Best wishes bro.
First off sorry for the delay in replying, my pain levels have been through the roof and my hands hurt to much to type, I answers some other short things on other stuff with voice type but that never gets things quite right. I did go outside and make this, not sure it is good though, I wanted to go sit down so bad because I hurt I think it is rushed but it is outside. I do understand what you are saying about cadence for sure. Anyway here is that track. https://soundcloud.com/user-933394494/outside?si=7a4922c012ff4c999d8b6cf02db38b82&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
From what I'm hearing everything is there you just need to prolong that roll over a touch more. Seems to me your just starting to get the call to roll over and stopping. Try and extend the end/roll over of your yelp a touch. It's there just needs a little more finesse if you get what I'm saying..
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 10, 2023, 09:40:01 AM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 10, 2023, 09:27:29 AM
Quote from: Brillo on February 08, 2023, 08:40:00 AM
Sir, Thank you for being one brave dude and posting this. I have learned a lot from your posts in general and now I have found your tracks and the responses extremely helpful. We are about on the same plane with trumpet skill so I can apply all of this. One thing that I noted as I listened was that real turkeys do not string all that together. I know that it is practice and I am not an experienced hunter but of the turkeys I have observed, I just don't see it. Some on utube. I practice just like your track. One ongoing stream of (hopefully) turkey talk. I am thinking that I should start practicing with the cadence and quiet gaps that I would use in the woods. Considering other tracks that guys have posted, the ones made outside and with cadence are the best for evaluation. As you stated in your first post the inside sounds don't translate well. I bet if you laid down a track outside with cadence and dropped the kee kees for now it would be real good. Best wishes bro.
First off sorry for the delay in replying, my pain levels have been through the roof and my hands hurt to much to type, I answers some other short things on other stuff with voice type but that never gets things quite right. I did go outside and make this, not sure it is good though, I wanted to go sit down so bad because I hurt I think it is rushed but it is outside. I do understand what you are saying about cadence for sure. Anyway here is that track. https://soundcloud.com/user-933394494/outside?si=7a4922c012ff4c999d8b6cf02db38b82&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
From what I'm hearing everything is there you just need to prolong that roll over a touch more. Seems to me your just starting to get the call to roll over and stopping. Try and extend the end/roll over of your yelp a touch. It's there just needs a little more finesse if you get what I'm saying..
Thanks, I will pay more attention to that for sure.