HI All-
Setting up my son's Rem 870 20 gauge youth to use with TSS. I currently have a Primos Tightwad .570, Carlson's non-ported .575 and Remington Superfull Lead and Steel (not even sure what the constriction is on that one). Based on your experiences, would you guess that one of these may work better than the others and are there others you would suggest instead? We are gong to be patterning with Apex #9.
Thank You!
I did the same thing last season with my 870 youth. With a Carlson's 585, I get a 6" pattern at 20 and still a killing pattern at 55-60. I just got an Indian Creek 555 to try at 60 to see what difference it'll make. Didn't want to make too tight of a pattern at 20. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221227/ee82897c22d776a117b0cfc7074aac70.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221227/d375db196ea0522fca6b1511849251c1.jpg)
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IC 562 was the ticket in my Weatherby
Quote from: BDeal on December 27, 2022, 03:20:21 PM
HI All-
Setting up my son's Rem 870 20 gauge youth to use with TSS. I currently have a Primos Tightwad .570, Carlson's non-ported .575 and Remington Superfull Lead and Steel (not even sure what the constriction is on that one). Based on your experiences, would you guess that one of these may work better than the others and are there others you would suggest instead? We are gong to be patterning with Apex #9.
Thank You!
Rem SuperFull is a .572 constriction and a great combo for T-9's in that gun. All of these will be tight with little margin for aiming error.
Quote from: Spurs Up on December 27, 2022, 05:15:54 PM
Quote from: BDeal on December 27, 2022, 03:20:21 PM
HI All-
Setting up my son's Rem 870 20 gauge youth to use with TSS. I currently have a Primos Tightwad .570, Carlson's non-ported .575 and Remington Superfull Lead and Steel (not even sure what the constriction is on that one). Based on your experiences, would you guess that one of these may work better than the others and are there others you would suggest instead? We are gong to be patterning with Apex #9.
Thank You!
Rem SuperFull is a .572 constriction and a great combo for T-9's in that gun. All of these will be tight with little margin for aiming error.
Do you think a .585 might be a better choice here?
Carlson's .575 in my Mossberg SA20 and Carlson's flush mount .580? in my SX3. Both have killing patterns to 50 for those misjudged shots. They would probably do 100+ in that 10" circle for quite a bit further but I've never shot them past 50.
Start out with dove shot at 12 yards and 30 X 30 paper for poa/poi issues. If you have issues then you may need sights or scope. Then shoot each choke with dove shot at 30 to see what you have then finish with an Apex at 40. Good luck.
Quote from: BDeal on December 27, 2022, 06:17:45 PM
Quote from: Spurs Up on December 27, 2022, 05:15:54 PM
Quote from: BDeal on December 27, 2022, 03:20:21 PM
HI All-
Setting up my son's Rem 870 20 gauge youth to use with TSS. I currently have a Primos Tightwad .570, Carlson's non-ported .575 and Remington Superfull Lead and Steel (not even sure what the constriction is on that one). Based on your experiences, would you guess that one of these may work better than the others and are there others you would suggest instead? We are gong to be patterning with Apex #9.
Thank You!
Rem SuperFull is a .572 constriction and a great combo for T-9's in that gun. All of these will be tight with little margin for aiming error.
Do you think a .585 might be a better choice here?
Probably so. Should provide a more forgiving pattern. That could be important for a an inexperienced shooter unless you plan to put a reflex/red dot on it.
Quote from: RLAG on December 27, 2022, 03:43:48 PM
I did the same thing last season with my 870 youth. With a Carlson's 585, I get a 6" pattern at 20 and still a killing pattern at 55-60. I just got an Indian Creek 555 to try at 60 to see what difference it'll make. Didn't want to make too tight of a pattern at 20. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221227/ee82897c22d776a117b0cfc7074aac70.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221227/d375db196ea0522fca6b1511849251c1.jpg)
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Was the Carlsons .585 a flush mount?
No extended. Believe they call it EF for extra full
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Quote from: RLAG on December 28, 2022, 05:13:13 PM
No extended. Believe they call it EF for extra full
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And you're sure its a .585 and not a .575?
Thank You!!!
I like the IC .562 and the Jebs .565, IC shot a little better for me but the Jebs is a killer also.
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I use a Carlson non ported 575 in 3 different 20 gauge set ups. Great hunting pattern! Not too tight , good/even pattern.
Yep 585(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221229/9e939eeb8222c303329f0caa4e5ad772.jpg)
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My experience is about anything from a factory full and tighter will work fine. The shell is the biggest part of the tss equation. I had an 870 youth that shot within 10-15 pellets in the 10"@40 yards regardless of the choke I used.
I'm also in the Indian Creek club.
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Have a friend that has the same gun I set up for my son. So, we traded chokes around for testing purposes and such, much cheaper that way.
He and I tried 4 different chokes I believe. He had a Jebs at .570, I had an IC at .565 and a Sumtoy at .562. Cant remember the other, may have been factory.
We were shooting different shells, he had handloads with straight 9's, I had a 8X9 Nitro, both in TSS.
The tube that did the best in both guns was the Sumtoy at .562. I did notice one thing that I think is important, especially if setting up the gun for a smaller framed person IE Youth or women. The IC produces less recoil, no question about it. The Sumtoy not being ported did make a difference on felt recoil.
I would like to try an IC in .562 just to compare with the Sumtoy head up to see which looked better.
One last thing I will mention as I do not see it enough. When testing these expensive shells compare apples to apples and clean your barrel after each shot. It makes a difference! If you want to test this, start with a clean barrel and shoot 5 on 5 pieces of paper not cleaning between and compare.
Should have looked first.... The IC was a .570 and the Jebs a .575.
Quote from: RLAG on December 28, 2022, 07:52:39 PM
Yep 585(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221229/9e939eeb8222c303329f0caa4e5ad772.jpg)
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Thank You!
Quote from: BDeal on December 29, 2022, 10:49:27 AM
Quote from: RLAG on December 28, 2022, 07:52:39 PM
Yep 585(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221229/9e939eeb8222c303329f0caa4e5ad772.jpg)
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Thank You!
Found it online. They market this one as a sporting clays choke tube. Not sure why. Thanks for the info!!
I got same gun setup for my kids( and me if I want a lighter gun). Shooting a Primos Jellyhead ported .555 with TSS. Killer pattern. Factory #9s.
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I like a big hunting pattern, the Primos Tightwad .570 is about right with a 9 or 10 shot. I am not looking for optimal 10 inch patterns, just a good hunting pattern though with some forgiveness....
Bigger does seem to be bigger on the smaller TSS shot thgouh, the tight wad .570 is good.The .555 IC seemed too tight for me at least
Sumtoy 562, apex 9's out a my M2 at 40..
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