NYS DEC is proposing changing shot size from #8s to #9 tss. Also, a Spring season for Suffolk county...
Well that's great! I once brought up a Thread on huntingny about why there is no Spring Turkey Hunting on Long Island.
I see this year there at least is a Youth Turkey 2 day hunt. Hopefully-- Adults for next Spring on Long Island.
Two new regulation changes are being proposed to the landscape of wild turkey hunting regulations. In a nutshell, they are looking to include shot sizes as small as #9's and add a spring turkey season to Suffolk County on Long Island. As always, your opinion only makes an impactful difference if you voice it directly to those crafting legislation and regulations.
I'll state this bluntly- Responding in those never-ending echo chambers is a fool's errand. Pause the back and forth chatter on social media and take a few minutes of your time to voice your support or opposition to proposed regulations. Public comment on these regulatory proposals runs through June 5, 2022.
Send your comments by email to wildliferegs@dec.ny.gov with "Proposed Turkey Regulations" in the subject line or mail to: Joshua Stiller, NYSDEC, 625 Broadway, Albany, NY 12233-4754.
https://www.dec.ny.gov/press/125107.html
As to the #9 shot, you get my thumbs up as long as it stipulates heavier/more dense than lead. As I read the regulation change, it does not. Hevi Shot and TSS loads are a huge upgrade to smaller than 12 gauge bores and with the right choke, deliver an ethical ballistic solution when reviewing comparative observation of expected pattern/energy on target. If proposed regulations opt only for TSS shot, it can be argued reasonably as it is yet heavier and denser than Hevi-13. I would recommend #9 shot in TSS for .410 shotguns as an optimal choice. My opinion however does not support or suggest the longer ranges that some promote.
Suffolk County has plenty of turkeys, and suitable habitats to hunt them. The downside is the access as much of it is private holdings. To those that have hunted and fished on Long Island, it is abundant in opportunities, but it is different. There are folks that are not opposed to hunting but do not want to see it directly. Discretion and sportsmen's best behavior in these settings would be essential to the success of opening a season there. Much of the public access in Suffolk County is multi-use and well-used and you can be assured that those groups will voice their opinions without reservation.
You can find info on public grounds at https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/40399.html
The following is the currently proposed text:
6 NYCRR 1.40(c)(2) is amended as follows:
(2) Spring. A permittee may hunt wild turkey only during those open seasons and in
those wildlife management units (as described in section 4.1 of this Title) listed below.
Open season Wildlife management units
Closed 1A[, 1C] and 2A
May 1st to May 31st Rest of the State
6 NYCRR 1.40(d)(2) is amended as follows:
(2) Spring. A permittee may take:
(i) two bearded turkeys during the spring season as defined in paragraph (c)(2) of
this section; however
(ii) no more than one bearded turkey per day; and
(iii) no more than one bearded turkey in WMU 1C
6 NYCRR 1.40(f)(3) is amended as follows:
(3) A permittee may hunt turkey with a shotgun or handgun loaded with shot no larger
than number 2 and no smaller than number [8]9.
-MJ
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Good info right there MookyJ. Thank you.
Mooky, that's great advice on how to support and influence the process. I can get behind your heavier than lead suggestion as well, however, I wonder how a game warden would enforce that. Not sure the magnet tests they use for steel vs lead would work. Tungsten and some alloys that include it are only weakly magnetic. Is there any other way to test without opening a shell?
I already wrote in support of #9 shot, but only if it is TSS
I wish they make it #10 or 9.5 at least for the .410 guys
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I wrote an email this morning explained the benefits of TSS over lead. I live in Suffolk and we have turkeys everywhere now. No natural predators like coyotes, bobcats or fishers around only hawks and hit by cars lol. We actually have very good deer hunting and some really nice bucks around. These are my last two bow kills in back to back years.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48844408606_700c4b9a7e_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/gp/152976138@N06/6K63j8)
Quote from: lunghit on April 23, 2022, 01:08:33 PM
I wrote an email this morning explained the benefits of TSS over lead. I live in Suffolk and we have turkeys everywhere now. No natural predators like coyotes, bobcats or fishers around only hawks and hit by cars lol. We actually have very good deer hunting and some really nice bucks around. These are my last two bow kills in back to back years.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48844408606_700c4b9a7e_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/gp/152976138@N06/6K63j8)
Wow, those are slammers. Especially for the big woods. Congrats, they are fantastic bucks.....
:funnyturkey:absolutely no reason not to allow it
No reason to outlaw lead either. Glad their proposing #9 TSS. Just my 2 cents.
Quote from: Old Timer on April 23, 2022, 05:49:57 PM
No reason to outlaw lead either. Glad their proposing #9 TSS. Just my 2 cents.
I saw nothing where they were going to outlaw lead for turkey. Unless you mean their all around stupidity trying to outlaw it for everything?
Quote from: Terry on April 23, 2022, 12:21:53 PM
I wish they make it #10 or 9.5 at least for the .410 guys
agreed, if people saw the numbers 10 shot is producing energy wise and used it just once they'd never second guess it again