Justin Hogan is an absolute clown. This has to stop. The kill at all costs attitude has gotten out of hand. I'm not sure what's more unbelievable, the fact that he called the shot unbelievable, the fact that he claimed to misjudge the yardage, or the fact that he then chose to brag about it to the world. The only thing he 'misjudged' was the gun he pulled out of the safe that morning. He had to think he had a rifle in his hand right?
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I agree- bad decision on his part to put this out in my book- not what needs to be going out to the turkey hunting world!
Gotta get dem likes and thumbs up..It's a wonder he hasn't posted it here yet maybe the guy finally got the hint he wasn't wanted here..These are the people that make me love hunting alone and far away from.
It's one thing to misjudge the yards but you don't have to bloat about it..but then again 9 out of 10 people won't misjudge 20 yards..Further more when you say let's see what these high dollar shells are all about..you didn't miss judge you took a shot that you had no ideal what was gonna do.
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With all the information at the tip of your fingers, everyone's an instant expert these days. My advice to newer, younger hunters: STOP watching other people hunt. It'll ruin things for you.
Learn by doing...out in the field, on the edges of the forest, in the silence of the swamp. It should take you a long, long time to become a true expert, don't try to rush the process. The process is where you fall in love. Don't deny yourself that.
Pretty sad. Welcome to the new breed of turkey hunter.
The commentary certainly didn't help. I've made that mistake before and it work and I've made it and it cost me. I think he's going to have a hard time explaining a "yardage mistake" to each there own.
Nobody 'misjudges' yardage by that much. There are too many that are only concerned with the kill, and not learning the ethics and woodsmanship involved in true hunting. It's very sad when individuals are proud of misjudging distances. The fortunate thing is that those birds died in the video. But the damage it causes to a magnificent bird by wounding it at those distances and it escapes is sad indeed.
We've all made some sort of mistake and will trust those who added another click to video????
I just got done watching the video and reading the comments. The one
guy said in the video that he thought they were at 65 yards.
Justin said in the comments that he thought they were 55-60 yards.
He said in the video, "I say one of you is gonna have to raise up and take
a prayer shot." He also said "We gonna have to see what them high-dollar
shells are made of."
When you're talking about "prayer shots", you know you're doing
something that's stretching the boundaries of ethics.
I saw a hunting show I won't name bragging about killing gobs at 50 yards with a 410. It's to be expected that people are shooting 80 and 90 yards with a 12 or 10 ga. TSS, IMO, should be outlawed in 12 and 10 ga.
Never heard of the guy, and after reading all of this I sure won't take the time to look him up.
I will add that I cannot comment on his commentary in the video as I did not actually watch it. I refuse to give this guy another 'view' and saw all I needed. I intentionally posted a screenshot and not a link to the video for that very reason.
Quote from: guesswho on March 20, 2022, 01:46:10 PM
Never heard of the guy, and after reading all of this I sure won't take the time to look him up.
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That's the kinda jack wagon I'd never even drink a beer with............let alone hunt with. If you suck THAT bad at judging yardage....either carry a rangefinder or quit hunting.
This style of turkey hunting makes my stomach turn, how did he misjudge anything? You hear them guessing yardage the only numbers thrown out are 55 and 65 yards. " Take a prayer shot" there was no misjudged yardage in my opinion they knew what they were doing. Maybe if you don't have your decoys out and quit calling so much the birds come down the point looking for you? If not ,here is better thought you simply have enough respect for what your hunting to let it walk off reposition and try again later or another day. Understand clearly TSS had nothing to do with this in my opinion, this is totally on grown men who couldn't stand the thought of letting a couple gobblers get away and made the decision to take a shot at a terrible distance.
Never heard of the guy. But then again I don't watch any videos of the kind. But I do know, all the thumbs up or whatever people do to say they like it, boost's his ego and people like his type. And they have to thrive on the attention they get to keep their conscience (if they have any) from bugging them.
Because they know deep down they suck at turkey hunting
My cousins son (new turkey hunter) whom really has no one to show him, his family doesn't turkey hunt. Messaged me yesterday asking advice about a situation. He later messaged me saying he missed the bird what should he do. Long of it he said he was only about 50 yds thought that was plenty close enough. Guarantee you that is mostly because he gets his info from videos.
Haven't watched it and aint gonna. I have seen some YouTube videos here and there and I have noticed a trend of taking "maybe" shots not only in regards to distance, but also in regards to obstructions, moving birds. Ect. You can tell that teaching and being a good represtative of the sport isn't on their priority list. Which pretty much tells me what their priority is.
I reached out to him, as I'm sure others did, and spoke civilly. Thankfully he realized that it wasn't a good thing to be promoting, and has taken the video down.
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He's a clown and the damage is done. He's earned his reputation before this incident, this is just the cherry on top. Now he has his slob of a friend commenting in the YouTube section about how he "knows his equipment and his skills" and would take the shot again.
This is the YouTube world folks. He is doing it for views and to make a few Pennies to the detriment of turkey hunting.
Quote from: Big Jeremy on March 20, 2022, 04:43:01 PM
I reached out to him, as I'm sure others did, and spoke civilly. Thankfully he realized that it wasn't a good thing to be promoting, and has taken the video down.
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I enjoyed some of his other videos but when I saw the thumbnail for this one I was like nope....unsubscribe. I saw the disclaimer but I didn't watch the video. No excuse for getting 40 and 77 yds confused IMO.
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My man, stop watching YouTube turkey hunting. This incident is not exclusive to this guy. That little skinny redneck from TN that y'all like to watch put out a video of one getting shot out of a tree. There are stories about THP and Hollywood Dave Owens you wouldn't be real impressed with either.
And when I say stories, I mean first hand account, not some hearsay.
Quote from: aclawrence on March 20, 2022, 05:01:42 PM
I enjoyed some of his other videos but when I saw the thumbnail for this one I was like nope....unsubscribe. I saw the disclaimer but I didn't watch the video. No excuse for getting 40 and 77 yds confused IMO.
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Quote from: St. Augustine Strutter on March 20, 2022, 04:56:41 PM
He's a clown and the damage is done. He's earned his reputation before this incident, this is just the cherry on top. Now he has his slob of a friend commenting in the YouTube section about how he "knows his equipment and his skills" and would take the shot again.
This is the YouTube world folks. He is doing it for views and to make a few Pennies to the detriment of turkey hunting.
Quote from: Big Jeremy on March 20, 2022, 04:43:01 PM
I reached out to him, as I'm sure others did, and spoke civilly. Thankfully he realized that it wasn't a good thing to be promoting, and has taken the video down.
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I've never met the guy, so I won't speak to his ethics completely. I've seen a few of his videos prior to this one and never had any issues with them. I DID have MAJOR issues with this one. Still, I messaged him through FB and spoke politely. I explained my concerns. Again, I'm sure many others did, too, since he actually took the video down.
I referenced the fact that if he realized it was a mistake to take the shot, which he claimed in comments, then he shouldn't have ever posted it in the first place. It was obviously for views/likes, etc.
I referenced how it seemed disingenuous to make a disclaimer, agree they took an unethical shot, but then celebrate it in the video and post the video anyway.
I referenced the fact that many young/new hunters gain all of their information about turkey hunting from videos like his, and that this, in turn could lead to lots of folks thinking they could do the same thing and get away with it.
I referenced lots of things. He agreed it wasn't a good thing to post, and said he was working on fixing it. He messaged again later saying the video was down and he apologized. And he thanked me for reaching out to him.
Everyone else can make their own decisions, but I'll give the guy another chance after our interactions through messenger. Who knows? Maybe with this lesson learned he'll be a great promoter of turkey hunting the right way.
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You are easily persuaded, sir. I appreciate your consciousness toward ethics but quite frankly you are part of the problem thru your viewership as well.
This guy tells you what you want to hear and now you are back on the bandwagon. In reality, he gave you lip service and he will continue to be disingenuous and keep taking shots like that.
Quote from: Big Jeremy on March 20, 2022, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: St. Augustine Strutter on March 20, 2022, 04:56:41 PM
He's a clown and the damage is done. He's earned his reputation before this incident, this is just the cherry on top. Now he has his slob of a friend commenting in the YouTube section about how he "knows his equipment and his skills" and would take the shot again.
This is the YouTube world folks. He is doing it for views and to make a few Pennies to the detriment of turkey hunting.
Quote from: Big Jeremy on March 20, 2022, 04:43:01 PM
I reached out to him, as I'm sure others did, and spoke civilly. Thankfully he realized that it wasn't a good thing to be promoting, and has taken the video down.
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I've never met the guy, so I won't speak to his ethics completely. I've seen a few of his videos prior to this one and never had any issues with them. I DID have MAJOR issues with this one. Still, I messaged him through FB and spoke politely. I explained my concerns. Again, I'm sure many others did, too, since he actually took the video down.
I referenced the fact that if he realized it was a mistake to take the shot, which he claimed in comments, then he shouldn't have ever posted it in the first place. It was obviously for views/likes, etc.
I referenced how it seemed disingenuous to make a disclaimer, agree they took an unethical shot, but then celebrate it in the video and post the video anyway.
I referenced the fact that many young/new hunters gain all of their information about turkey hunting from videos like his, and that this, in turn could lead to lots of folks thinking they could do the same thing and get away with it.
I referenced lots of things. He agreed it wasn't a good thing to post, and said he was working on fixing it. He messaged again later saying the video was down and he apologized. And he thanked me for reaching out to him.
Everyone else can make their own decisions, but I'll give the guy another chance after our interactions through messenger. Who knows? Maybe with this lesson learned he'll be a great promoter of turkey hunting the right way.
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I try not to get into replying to trolls or keyboard warriors but Im flattered that I must live rent free in your head man ( The creater of this thread ) You my friend are my #1 hater no doubt and it's comical ...You literally get on everything I post and dissect any negative actions about it lol - I took down the hunt I posted this morning not for you but I seen what impacts it can have on kids. My intent is to post real-life content of what happens with real hunters and show that we make bad judgments just like everybody else. I was okay with the backlash, but after reading some comments, I recognized that it could come across as the wrong message for kids or new hunters. I don't want kids or new hunters thinking they can take 70 yard shots..In actuality, this was a one-time instance where lessons were learned, and I wanted to show that to viewers but it went south. These videos I create are a hobby for me where I can share and save these memories with my friends and family, and share for those that are interested. I don't do it for fame, likes or money.. I just simply enjoy creating and sharing "REAL HUNTING" but I can see where a video like that can have a negative impact ... By all means I try to do it the right way And I'll admit when I'm in the wrong and I admit we was wrong on that hunt. I thought he was less than 60 yards and the triggers were pulled ... I'm sure everybody on here can account for a time they had no business pulling the trigger .... You live and learn
I've always prided myself on getting the turkey as close as possible. Extending my range was never an option, as that was just an excuse to be a poor turkey hunter. I'm glad I'm not part of that crowd.
Quote from: Big Jeremy on March 20, 2022, 05:33:44 PM
I've never met the guy, so I won't speak to his ethics completely. I've seen a few of his videos prior to this one and never had any issues with them. I DID have MAJOR issues with this one. Still, I messaged him through FB and spoke politely. I explained my concerns. Again, I'm sure many others did, too, since he actually took the video down.
I referenced the fact that if he realized it was a mistake to take the shot, which he claimed in comments, then he shouldn't have ever posted it in the first place. It was obviously for views/likes, etc.
I referenced how it seemed disingenuous to make a disclaimer, agree they took an unethical shot, but then celebrate it in the video and post the video anyway.
I referenced the fact that many young/new hunters gain all of their information about turkey hunting from videos like his, and that this, in turn could lead to lots of folks thinking they could do the same thing and get away with it.
I referenced lots of things. He agreed it wasn't a good thing to post, and said he was working on fixing it. He messaged again later saying the video was down and he apologized. And he thanked me for reaching out to him.
Everyone else can make their own decisions, but I'll give the guy another chance after our interactions through messenger. Who knows? Maybe with this lesson learned he'll be a great promoter of turkey hunting the right way.
Great post,...and pretty much exactly how I believe this should have been addressed. :icon_thumright:
Quit trying to save face, buddy. Your actions are louder than your empty words. The title to the video posted above was clearly celebrating the yardage of the shots. If not, the distances wouldn't have been so prominently displayed. And your below words are nice and apologetic but I surmise that you truly feel the same way as your buddy does in the YouTube comments section where he bragged about taking the shot and that he would do it again LOL.
Take a lap...
Quote from: Hogmister13 on March 20, 2022, 06:01:37 PM
I try not to get into replying to trolls or keyboard warriors but Im flattered that I must live rent free in your head man ( The creater of this thread ) You my friend are my #1 hater no doubt and it's comical ...You literally get on everything I post and dissect any negative actions about it lol - I took down the hunt I posted this morning not for you but I seen what impacts it can have on kids. My intent is to post real-life content of what happens with real hunters and show that we make bad judgments just like everybody else. I was okay with the backlash, but after reading some comments, I recognized that it could come across as the wrong message for kids or new hunters. I don't want kids or new hunters thinking they can take 70 yard shots..In actuality, this was a one-time instance where lessons were learned, and I wanted to show that to viewers but it went south. These videos I create are a hobby for me where I can share and save these memories with my friends and family, and share for those that are interested. I don't do it for fame, likes or money.. I just simply enjoy creating and sharing "REAL HUNTING" but I can see where a video like that can have a negative impact ... By all means I try to do it the right way And I'll admit when I'm in the wrong and I admit we was wrong on that hunt. I thought he was less than 60 yards and the triggers were pulled ... I'm sure everybody on here can account for a time they had no business pulling the trigger .... You live and learn
Where I hunt in the mountains, it is hard in about 75 percent of the spots I frequent to even be able to see a turkey CLEARLY at 78 yards much less be shooting one that far. It just seems a lot more intense to have him inside of forty before you touch off the shot, and the intenseness of it is why I hunt them because they sure don't have as big of racks as the deer around here. If you have not really fooled him, what do you really have? - I guess you have supper. But at 78 yards, the breast is likely full of pellets.
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Quote from: St. Augustine Strutter on March 20, 2022, 07:00:57 PM
Quit trying to save face, buddy. Your actions are louder than your empty words. The title to the video posted above was clearly celebrating the yardage of the shots. If not, the distances wouldn't have been so prominently displayed. And your below words are nice and apologetic but I surmise that you truly feel the same way as your buddy does in the YouTube comments section where he bragged about taking the shot and that he would do it again LOL.
Take a lap...
Well there's my other little Buddy lol ... I was waiting for you to chime in...where you been?? I knew it wouldn't be long before I seen you
Quote from: Hogmister13 on March 20, 2022, 06:01:37 PM
I try not to get into replying to trolls or keyboard warriors but Im flattered that I must live rent free in your head man ( The creater of this thread ) You my friend are my #1 hater no doubt and it's comical ...You literally get on everything I post and dissect any negative actions about it lol - I took down the hunt I posted this morning not for you but I seen what impacts it can have on kids. My intent is to post real-life content of what happens with real hunters and show that we make bad judgments just like everybody else. I was okay with the backlash, but after reading some comments, I recognized that it could come across as the wrong message for kids or new hunters. I don't want kids or new hunters thinking they can take 70 yard shots..In actuality, this was a one-time instance where lessons were learned, and I wanted to show that to viewers but it went south. These videos I create are a hobby for me where I can share and save these memories with my friends and family, and share for those that are interested. I don't do it for fame, likes or money.. I just simply enjoy creating and sharing "REAL HUNTING" but I can see where a video like that can have a negative impact ... By all means I try to do it the right way And I'll admit when I'm in the wrong and I admit we was wrong on that hunt. I thought he was less than 60 yards and the triggers were pulled ... I'm sure everybody on here can account for a time they had no business pulling the trigger .... You live and learn
Ha ha yea he is tool. " Hey look at me I'm just doing this for hunter recruitment bro! Im tryimg to show these new hunters how to do it the right way! Your just a hater! Jealous!"all these dude do all this crap so they can get likes and views. How much yall want to be he calls me a hater for even writing this. Sad thing is a lot of people on this forum keep him going because " By gosh I want to watch any idiot kill a turkey"
Thats hilarious u claiming to do it for a hobby for ur friends, family and who might be interested! U literally post it on every freaking forum and social media platform. Hell just on Facebook u post to no less than 50 pages. Ur just a spammer that calls anyone who points it out to u a hater.
Hahaha. Care to address any of the points made in the post regarding celebrating the distance or your hick friend saying he would take the shot again, contrary to your "apologies?"
Or you just gonna tuck tail?
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Quote from: St. Augustine Strutter on March 20, 2022, 07:00:57 PM
Quit trying to save face, buddy. Your actions are louder than your empty words. The title to the video posted above was clearly celebrating the yardage of the shots. If not, the distances wouldn't have been so prominently displayed. And your below words are nice and apologetic but I surmise that you truly feel the same way as your buddy does in the YouTube comments section where he bragged about taking the shot and that he would do it again LOL.
Take a lap...
Well there's my other little Buddy lol ... I was waiting for you to chime in...where you been?? I knew it wouldn't be long before I seen you
Quote from: Hogmister13 on March 20, 2022, 06:01:37 PM
I try not to get into replying to trolls or keyboard warriors but Im flattered that I must live rent free in your head man ( The creater of this thread ) You my friend are my #1 hater no doubt and it's comical ...You literally get on everything I post and dissect any negative actions about it lol - I took down the hunt I posted this morning not for you but I seen what impacts it can have on kids. My intent is to post real-life content of what happens with real hunters and show that we make bad judgments just like everybody else. I was okay with the backlash, but after reading some comments, I recognized that it could come across as the wrong message for kids or new hunters. I don't want kids or new hunters thinking they can take 70 yard shots..In actuality, this was a one-time instance where lessons were learned, and I wanted to show that to viewers but it went south. These videos I create are a hobby for me where I can share and save these memories with my friends and family, and share for those that are interested. I don't do it for fame, likes or money.. I just simply enjoy creating and sharing "REAL HUNTING" but I can see where a video like that can have a negative impact ... By all means I try to do it the right way And I'll admit when I'm in the wrong and I admit we was wrong on that hunt. I thought he was less than 60 yards and the triggers were pulled ... I'm sure everybody on here can account for a time they had no business pulling the trigger .... You live and learn
Quote from: Hogmister13 on March 20, 2022, 06:01:37 PM
I try not to get into replying to trolls or keyboard warriors but Im flattered that I must live rent free in your head man ( The creater of this thread ) You my friend are my #1 hater no doubt and it's comical ...You literally get on everything I post and dissect any negative actions about it lol - I took down the hunt I posted this morning not for you but I seen what impacts it can have on kids. My intent is to post real-life content of what happens with real hunters and show that we make bad judgments just like everybody else. I was okay with the backlash, but after reading some comments, I recognized that it could come across as the wrong message for kids or new hunters. I don't want kids or new hunters thinking they can take 70 yard shots..In actuality, this was a one-time instance where lessons were learned, and I wanted to show that to viewers but it went south. These videos I create are a hobby for me where I can share and save these memories with my friends and family, and share for those that are interested. I don't do it for fame, likes or money.. I just simply enjoy creating and sharing "REAL HUNTING" but I can see where a video like that can have a negative impact ... By all means I try to do it the right way And I'll admit when I'm in the wrong and I admit we was wrong on that hunt. I thought he was less than 60 yards and the triggers were pulled ... I'm sure everybody on here can account for a time they had no business pulling the trigger .... You live and learn
If me calling you out on your BS makes me a keyboard warrior, then so be it. I rarely post on this forum, but couldn't let such nonsense slide. If you would have bothered to look, you would have seen I have never once posted a single post or reply on anything you have ever posted, so try again. Someone has to stand up for this sport, and I'll gladly be the one to do so. There's a lot of people on this forum who play the game right and respect the wild turkey. You my friend are not one of them. I'll second the thoughts of several other members and recommend you start carrying a range finder. I most certainly agree that mistakes do happen. Thought he was 60 yards? (A point that can be argued in itself). At 60 yards you still got beat, plain and simple. A misjudgment of 18 yards? That's straight up a lie.
Anything for content! I honestly think it's about time for a TSS ban. Yes, it is far more of an ethical kill when used responsibly. But sadly just like everything else in life it's been taken advantage of. The choke/tss industry don't seem to care. I have seen many pro staffers and whoever else posting kills or patterning pictures at 70+ yards. Yes Justin Hogan is an absolute joke, but this problem doesn't stop with him. Anyone recall the realtree video I think 2 springs ago of the gobbler getting shot at 80 yards while breeding a hen?
Not sure who the clown is. probably never will.
First of all you are entirely wrong about the hunt and need to get your facts straight before making me out to be somebody I'm not. I respect the game and the bird just as much as the next guy passionate turkey Hunter. The first bird I judged to be close to 60 yards which is a very makable shot for my buddies setup... have you not seen what tss does on paper at 60 yards!!! ... I dont recommend shooting one that far and I admited to the bad judgement but don't call me a tool or a clown... y'all just a bunch of keyboard warriors that ain't got nothing better to do than hate on people lol ...So back to the hunt... my buddy smoked the first bird at 66 steps and the other bird flew up and landed behind it .. you have to realize this is an open field with a small rise in it so that just adds to the difficulty level of judging the yardage.. like I said, everybody has taken an unethical shot before, I'm owning up to our bad judgements but don't call me a clown or tool bag when you don't know me personally....You took a screenshot of a YouTube thumbnail and using that as your judgment toward me... You a liar if you say you have never squeezed off an unethical shot...
I asked a man named mr Ken Morgan when I was a young teenager this question.
I asked him after I'd mistaken how far a couple where . He said this ,,, when you can make out his eyeballs ?
He is close enough . I took this advice ever since .
At 60 yards, you have not fooled the bird. Just call it what it is, a harvest and not a hunt.
Quote from: Big Jeremy on March 20, 2022, 04:43:01 PM
I reached out to him, as I'm sure others did, and spoke civilly. Thankfully he realized that it wasn't a good thing to be promoting, and has taken the video down.
Big Jeremy - I read this and your follow-up post on this thread. Just wanted to publicly compliment you on taking the initiative and handling it how you did. We need more of this kind of civility in our country when addressing difficult, divisive and emotional issues. Thank you for being part of the solution!
Quote from: Big Jeremy on March 20, 2022, 04:43:01 PM
I reached out to him, as I'm sure others did, and spoke civilly. Thankfully he realized that it wasn't a good thing to be promoting, and has taken the video down.
My advice to others here would have been to dislike the video, and put a tactful comment advocating against such "antics."
But yeah... These guys as (supposed) experienced hunters did not misjudge those shots... No experienced ethical hunter makes the mistake of thinking a 67, much less 78 yard bird is in range. They "thought they might get them" and "gave it try."
I give them credit for taking the video down, but the only reason it is down, is likely due to a considerably amount of criticism.
Quote from: TurkeyReaper69 on March 20, 2022, 09:05:51 PM
Anything for content! I honestly think it's about time for a TSS ban. Yes, it is far more of an ethical kill when used responsibly. But sadly just like everything else in life it's been taken advantage of. The choke/tss industry don't seem to care. I have seen many pro staffers and whoever else posting kills or patterning pictures at 70+ yards. Yes Justin Hogan is an absolute joke, but this problem doesn't stop with him. Anyone recall the realtree video I think 2 springs ago of the gobbler getting shot at 80 yards while breeding a hen?
Banning TSS for people taking unethical shots? What an idiot! You don't think people take 60-70 yard shots every year with lead? Hell let's ban guns for murders, pencils for misspelled words, cars for drunk drivers. It ain't the pellets it's the people.
Told yall he would call anyone who speaks against him haters lol.
Like I said I own up to my mistakes.. let's hear yours or do you even have big enough under carriage to admit it??? Calling someone a tool or clown and consistently bashing them over something like this is considered a hater... what else would I call you?
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Quote from: TurkeyReaper69 on March 20, 2022, 09:05:51 PM
Anything for content! I honestly think it's about time for a TSS ban. Yes, it is far more of an ethical kill when used responsibly. But sadly just like everything else in life it's been taken advantage of. The choke/tss industry don't seem to care. I have seen many pro staffers and whoever else posting kills or patterning pictures at 70+ yards. Yes Justin Hogan is an absolute joke, but this problem doesn't stop with him. Anyone recall the realtree video I think 2 springs ago of the gobbler getting shot at 80 yards while breeding a hen?
Banning TSS for people taking unethical shots? What an idiot! You don't think people take 60-70 yard shots every year with lead? Hell let's ban guns for murders, pencils for misspelled words, cars for drunk drivers. It ain't the pellets it's the people.
Thing is the breast mostly likely is going to stop a lead pellet at 60 to 70. These dude shooting birds that far with tss and thinking they miss because they run off isn't true. Most of the times they actually hit the bird and tss WILL penetrate into the vitals at that range. A lot of these "misses" at distance end up with birds flying or running just to die later.
I am an older guy and I only have a lower post count on the site than I could have, because I try to only offer positive, meaningful responses, and avoid fluff posts and negatives, but this thread and the constant YouTube bashing is enough to make a guy do things just to get on some of your nerves.
I don't condone those long shots in his video, nor I am I backing Justin - I know nothing about him, but if anyone young or an inexperienced hunter, reads this thread, "I hate TSS", or "I hate YouTubers" threads on the site, the only real takeaway they will truly get is that there are some real curmudgeons on here that like to throw shade and any valid arguments you try make fall on deaf ears. For clarity, by definition, a curmudgeon is a bad-tempered person, especially an old one, and some on the site must be really close to checking into the Shady Pines retirement home. There's not a single person on here that has not bent a rule or doesn't have something hiding in their past that they never want to see the light of day, he just posted his for all to see publicly. Saying it was wrong is one thing, but personally attacking him is a whole different thing.
After the constant barrage lately, I don't blame him or other Youtubers if they start saying every shot they take is 60+ yards, even when they are not. Hell, I would even start chosing a state next to the one I'm actually showing in my video and randomly call out a gameland there just to get you more riled up.
As to banning TSS and decoys, I'm all for it! Let's ban it, lead, shotguns, decoys, blinds, trucks, calls, bows, and get back to the real core of turkey hunting! No camo clothes, just rub down with mud, and you can only hit them in the head with a stick or throw a rock like it was done back in your curmudgeon youth when you walked uphill in the snow both ways to school! This would most certainly help reduce the harvest and help the turkey populations.
Seriously, the site has so much good content to offer without the negativity. Some can do better or chose better ways to say things than you have lately.
I'm with Bwhana. The constant complaining about literally everything (YouTubers, decoys, TSS, out of state hunting, etc) really detracts from what was a good site. This constant trolling and virtue signaling makes it seem like a therapy session rather than a hunting site.
I'm just tired of it man, I used to love this site...it used to be so informative and fun to follow... Now all you see is people starting drama and bickering about how someone else hunts, or bashing them on what they did wrong....I just never understood why people have to always try to bring someone else down over the dumbest stuff... I mean they literally go out of their way to bash someone they have never met before...What can they possibly gain from that?
Quote from: Hogmister13 on March 20, 2022, 11:14:47 PM
I'm just tired of it man, I used to love this site...it used to be so informative and fun to follow... Now all you see is people starting drama and bickering about how someone else hunts, or bashing them on what they did wrong....I just never understood why people have to always try to bring someone else down over the dumbest stuff... I mean they literally go out of their way to bash someone they have never met before...What can they possibly gain from that?
Agree...they tried to pile on me before. Didn't bother me.
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What's most important in hunting these birds is to first have respect for these birds. We are all very fortunate to have the opportunity to hunt these birds. So it's your decision in making the difference between a pleasurable outdoor experience or a disaster. As a turkey hunter it's all up to use to make a safe and intelligent shot to make a good clean kill regardless what gun and shells we are using. I think we all sometimes get caught up in all this new turkey madness. Again it's not so much the kill at different ranges, it more about the hunt and having the opportunities in chasing these birds, it's about being proud of yourself and the time you spent in practicing with your equipment and out in the field scouting and knowing you did everything in your power to be successful in harvesting your gobbler. Regardless of what some may think on this forum or about this forum, it gives everyone a place to voice opinions. I have been on this forum for a long time and Shannon has done an UNBELIEVABLE job in controlling behavior and showing restraints. Everyone has a choice to stay or leave the forum at any time. What we all need to do is learn from this post in seeing it probably wasn't the right choice in taking those shoots. Again one of the best ways to learn is from the mistakes we make. So let's be the bigger person and realize we all learned available lesson today.
More spam by Hogan? Who would have thought!
Quote from: Hogmister13 on March 20, 2022, 11:14:47 PM
I'm just tired of it man, I used to love this site...it used to be so informative and fun to follow... Now all you see is people starting drama and bickering about how someone else hunts, or bashing them on what they did wrong....I just never understood why people have to always try to bring someone else down over the dumbest stuff... I mean they literally go out of their way to bash someone they have never met before...What can they possibly gain from that?
When multiple people get tired of you spamming your videos everywhere (multiple forums, multiple Facebook groups)......When multiple people give you constructive criticism and you get your feelings hurt.. Maybe its not the forum's fault and you should take a look in the mirror? It's obvious you love the attention, or else you wouldn't spam your videos all over every corner of the earth. I didn't watch the video (like another poster said, I'm not giving you a 'click'), but I wasn't surprised in the least by its content after seeing your video posts EVERYWHERE.
Thank you for taking the trash out (the video). But before you get all defensive and go calling everyone a "hater" that disagrees with you or offers criticism... Maybe you should actually pay attention to what "the haters" have been telling you all along. There's some saying about folks who think everyone else is the problem, but I can't think of it right now.
Quote from: Hogmister13 on March 20, 2022, 09:35:06 PM
First of all you are entirely wrong about the hunt and need to get your facts straight before making me out to be somebody I'm not. I respect the game and the bird just as much as the next guy passionate turkey Hunter. The first bird I judged to be close to 60 yards which is a very makable shot for my buddies setup... have you not seen what tss does on paper at 60 yards!!! ... I dont recommend shooting one that far and I admited to the bad judgement but don't call me a tool or a clown... y'all just a bunch of keyboard warriors that ain't got nothing better to do than hate on people lol ...So back to the hunt... my buddy smoked the first bird at 66 steps and the other bird flew up and landed behind it .. you have to realize this is an open field with a small rise in it so that just adds to the difficulty level of judging the yardage.. like I said, everybody has taken an unethical shot before, I'm owning up to our bad judgements but don't call me a clown or tool bag when you don't know me personally....You took a screenshot of a YouTube thumbnail and using that as your judgment toward me... You a liar if you say you have never squeezed off an unethical shot...
Peep my previous comment Justin. The hunt truly just starts at 60 yards. Just because you CAN shoot that far, doesn't mean you SHOULD. Misjudged a 60 yard shot and it was further at almost 80? Same difference IMO, if your goal is 60 why not shoot till 80. I would be embarrassed. I have messed up before myself, I killed a turkey with XR Longbeards at 71 yards years back. Was it intentional? Absolutely not. Did I go and post a YouTube video about it ? No. No wonder it's so acceptable now a days to bust em that far, folks like yourself and ammo industry influence folks opinions!
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on March 21, 2022, 05:57:14 AM
More spam by Hogan? Who would have thought!
Quote from: Hogmister13 on March 20, 2022, 11:14:47 PM
I'm just tired of it man, I used to love this site...it used to be so informative and fun to follow... Now all you see is people starting drama and bickering about how someone else hunts, or bashing them on what they did wrong....I just never understood why people have to always try to bring someone else down over the dumbest stuff... I mean they literally go out of their way to bash someone they have never met before...What can they possibly gain from that?
When multiple people get tired of you spamming your videos everywhere (multiple forums, multiple Facebook groups)......When multiple people give you constructive criticism and you get your feelings hurt.. Maybe its not the forum's fault and you should take a look in the mirror? It's obvious you love the attention, or else you wouldn't spam your videos all over every corner of the earth. I didn't watch the video (like another poster said, I'm not giving you a 'click'), but I wasn't surprised in the least by its content after seeing your video posts EVERYWHERE.
Thank you for taking the trash out (the video). But before you get all defensive and go calling everyone a "hater" that disagrees with you or offers criticism... Maybe you should actually pay attention to what "the haters" have been telling you all along. There's some saying about folks who think everyone else is the problem, but I can't think of it right now.
Justin will probably be taking a break from this site, but make no mistake he will continue to cater to the goobers on Facebook. Other than some "notorious trolls" I think were his words in a FB group a few weeks ago I don't think he's used to much push back. Just a wanna be YouTuber, tries to spam videos everywhere to up his following. He will never have a following like the big names he aspires to be. Like DH said, I won't give you a click or a view as I don't consider someone posting videos of 78 yard shots to be worthy of my time.
was at the range yesterday with my nephews. they were shooting their .22 at 80 yards.
as i walked out to put up their targets i noticed a turkey patterning target.
like 6 hits on the entire 3'x2' target. IF their intention was trying to pattern a gun for turkeys, take one guess as to where they got the notion that was a good idea.
Well said Greg Massey. You are a frequent voice of reason. I appreciate you and your posts.
Admit my mistakes? Are we talking just turkey hunting, because if not I ain't sure we have enough time to read all those.
Turkey hunting? Misjudged a field bird once-there was a little sprig of dog fennel I used that I had stepped off at 40. I was shooting the old Remington hevi in 12 gauge. Bird is gobbling and walking sideways and got a little boogery and he was standing right next to that fennel when he popped his head up. I shot him. When I got out there I realized it was the wrong dog fennel. I paced at 47, so about 44-45 yards.
I messed up a dude on a private lease I was on. We were supposed to hang a tag and stay within a certain distance of the pin. Bird gobbled and I went through the thick area- there was a guy closer and there had been no pins there when I checked in. Totally me being a jerk and thinking I could get away with it. I apologized profusely and gave him hot intel after every hunt the rest of the year. We are now good friends and we hunt together regularly.
Posted or not posted, I owned up and realized what I did was outside my personal range of ethics. I did not blame someone else, nor did I say what I did was not wrong. I messed up, I apologized and I attempted to make it right the best way I could. About all we can do.
Also, sorry this is long winded. But my experience with turkey hunting (and duck hunting) is that there have been the "defenders of the sport" long before Al Gore invented the interwebs. It is just easier for them to preach. There is nothing wrong with giving an opinion on a message board provided it is not trolling and not personal (saying you did a dumb thing is different than saying you are dumb). I don't really know what a hater is. Does that mean jealous?
Quote from: St. Augustine Strutter on March 20, 2022, 05:06:38 PM
My man, stop watching YouTube turkey hunting. This incident is not exclusive to this guy. That little skinny redneck from TN that y'all like to watch put out a video of one getting shot out of a tree. There are stories about THP and Hollywood Dave Owens you wouldn't be real impressed with either.
And when I say stories, I mean first hand account, not some hearsay.
Quote from: aclawrence on March 20, 2022, 05:01:42 PM
I enjoyed some of his other videos but when I saw the thumbnail for this one I was like nope....unsubscribe. I saw the disclaimer but I didn't watch the video. No excuse for getting 40 and 77 yds confused IMO.
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If you didn't witness it and heard it from someone else then it's ........ HEARSAY.
As for the original post topic, Big Jeremy conversed with the fella and he agreed to take the video down. That's how communication and genuine concern works.