Do you think it's time for other states like Florida to add a turkey permit?
With the additional revenue going toward improvements to turkey habitat.
For example, the money could go to controlled burns and select cutting of public land forests, etc...
Would I like it NO, would I do it YES.
If I was 100% sure where and how the money would be spent, then yes. But I'm not ready to fork over any extra money for some state official with blinders on to spend it how he sees fit.
There should've been 1 in Pa years ago.
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All for it!
I don't think so. Osceolas are only found in Florida and only the southern half of the state. There are only so many. Time to think of the resource. :z-twocents:
Besides our hunting license, in Iowa we buy a tag for $26 for each bird. 2 max per year.
Pretty much the same thing.
So are you saying buy a turkey stamp then an additional permits/tags? Cause In Florida you do have to buy a turkey stamp in order to hunt turkeys that allows you to harvest two birds a year.
Absolutely-when 100% of the money goes back to wild turkey research, habitat, etc. Not into a general DNR coffer
It'd never work, soon as that money was available someone would steal it or abuse it for something not intended. Fooling yourself if you believe differently. Don't wish it so
I paid $500 dollars for my Georgia lifetime license and that was a lot of money too me at the time and when I bought them, it was to cover my hunting licenses for the rest of my life.
So NO, I would not pay for a license.
Would I make a donation if it was 100% earmarked to helping turkeys? Yes, but not until I saw the proof of where the money went.
What I would be in support of in Georgia is to separate deer and turkey and charge NRs a separate license fee for each game.
I absolutely would, if the proceeds went to management but I'm very skeptical. Recently in Maryland this topic came up about our Sika Deer and instituting a stamp for those wanting to hunt them. People have complained about the out of state hunters, pressure and quality of the herd.
The state sent a recent survey to those hunters I'm assuming who have harvested Sika. When I took the survey, they not only questioned my thoughts on antler and doe restrictions but the amount of time spent and money spent. Questions such as how much money spent on gas, hotels and food. Immediately I assumed they considered the economic impact stamps would impose if those out of state hunters chose not to hunt them. Not only out of state but residents that travel distances to hunt the Sika since they inhabit certain parts of the state. This was very concerning to me.
That being said, if ALL of the proceeds go towards management then a big yes but with government and the current climate, I am very skeptical. I do think this is a generational problem where the younger hunters have a different mindset. I remember days as a youth wishing to just see a deer let alone harvesting one in a season. I remember days as a youth hoping to hear a gobble and it was a bonus if he answered and showed interest. My point being there is a generation that "expects" to be successful and then there is a generation that remembers the resource and where it once was. The youth today are benefiting from some very good management practices when it was about the resource and not profit.
I have seen this mindset and raised my sons about quality not quantity, different from a time when I grew up where it was "brown and down" or "if it flies it dies". I have spoken to young hunters about this before and the importance of managing a resource.
You get out of it what you put into it!
We already have separate tags for everything other than small game, so no i don't believe i would want another fee. They already raised fees across the board by quite a bit. As a resident, it now costs over $60 to hunt turkey, that's 1 tag and one license. Oh and i also can't stand that you have to purchase a furbearer permit on top of your regular license to hunt predators. I have been hunting out of state more and more, I get a much bigger bang for my buck hunting as a non resident in PA. than i do as a resident in Ohio. Where is the money going? Not back into wildlife from what i've seen. They closed down the daily waterfowl drawings at local refuge due to "lack of interest" yea right. You used to go to an annual drawing in person to get blind permit for season, now you have to mail in and there is a fee instead of it being free. Money money money with nothing to show for it. If it isn't deer related, they won't spend much on it.
Nope, just more money for Gov't agencies to misuse.
Quote from: GobbleGitr on March 04, 2022, 09:14:41 PM
Absolutely-when 100% of the money goes back to wild turkey research, habitat, etc. Not into a general DNR coffer
:TooFunny: That will never happen.
Quote from: Jbird22 on March 05, 2022, 10:03:11 AM
Nope, just more money for Gov't agencies to misuse.
Exactly.....
To reiterate Florida very definitely has a turkey license. The Florida problem is their unknown number of EXEMPTS. Any resident 65 and over gets a free ride. Not even a free senior license to at least account for the number of hunters they have stumbling around. The amount of money lost from matching funds must be enormous. So many things cou!d be improved if the politics was removed from fish and wildlife decisions. Won't happen.
PA offers a second tag for a price.
For every 10 coyotes taken an additional Gobbler tag is awarded to the hunter, in my dreams.
I hunted four states last year, 2 of those required turkey permits along with a hunting license. Florida was one of them, their Turkey permit is $125.00 above the price of a hunting license. The other state, Oklahoma, was $10 a permit, I bought two of those.
Do you mean an extra tag in Florida for a 3rd bird? If so, yes I would be. It's a long week in Florida.
Maybe, next time I go I will put out a few hundred pounds of corn and shoot some hogs down there, that would be entertaining!!!
The goal of this thread was to come up with with a way to improve turkey habitat on public lands.
My use of Florida as an example could be throwing some off from my lack of understanding on exactly how things are done down there.
States adoption of some type of turkey stamp in addition to hunting licenses with a large portion of the turkey stamp revenue going towards habitat improvements on public lands being the target for that cash.
Some have mentioned not trusting where the funds will actually go... I get that.
So, how do we improve the states we hunt turkey populations?
Do you think NWTF or TFT are doing anything that make a positive impact on the future of the turkey populations?
Can you think of a way that states could improve turkey hunting in turkey hunting declining areas?
So, the lack of your understanding of your example derailed your own post.
Don't worry about it, several people do it regularly here.
If I'm being completely honest any state I hunt could charge me anything they wanted and I'd pay it because I'm flat obsessed with them birds. They've got me by the short hairs.
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So here in Florida we don't pay for our tags. We don't have a true tag system. What they do to us is charge $10 for a turkey permit, we also pay $10 for a deer permit, $5 for archery permit, $5 for muzzeloader permit, $5 for crossbow permit then we pay for a hunting license and management permit for public land. They nickel and dime us. Not sure where any of the money goes, but gotta pay to play. The deer permit allows us to legally kill 5 deer. Only 2 of those can be antlerless, the turkey permit allows us 2 turkeys per season. We have a defined fall season and defined spring season
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When buying my Arkansas license to duck hunt this year I saw they had a turkey stamp so I purchased the duck and the turkey stamp.
Not against the stamp idea for any state, just hope the funds are used appropriately towards the turkeys.
Guess living in this corrupt world/city I'm a bit jaded/ pessimistic.
FYI our Mayor here sold an acre of riverfront property in downtown Memphis for $1000.
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I understand that this isn't about Florida. But, since the price of the resident turkey permit was mentioned ($5.00), I think the non-resident price should be mentioned as well. It' $125.00. They are good for two turkeys each season and are valid for one calendar year.
I am all for earmarked funds for wild turkeys in any state,...as long as there is oversight by some entity that ensures that the funds are used within the framework of what they are earmarked for. As others have stated, if the parameters for using those funds were not pretty specific to direct funding for wild turkey management programs such as habitat improvements, programs to enhance reproductive success in turkeys, and transplant programs where needed, I would likely oppose until any other frivolous uses were removed from that earmarking.
Already pay for a 2nd PA tag, and would gladly pay for the first one if those funds were earmarked for wild turkey conservation.
Quote from: joey46 on March 07, 2022, 12:07:19 PM
Quote from: OJR on March 07, 2022, 10:08:37 AM
I understand that this isn't about Florida. But, since the price of the resident turkey permit was mentioned ($5.00), I think the non-resident price should be mentioned as well. It' $125.00. They are good for two turkeys each season and are valid for one calendar year.
One Florida benefit for the non-resident is that the short term general hunting license is all that is required in addition to the $125.00 permit. This is an big savings to the many that only come down for a few days. The other two states I've regularly hunted do not allow the short term license to be used for deer or turkey. Most don't. Know a few guys that will hunt late one Florida turkey season and then have a turkey license that is still valid if they come down early the next spring. Almost too good a deal.
Quote from: GobbleNut on March 07, 2022, 10:35:10 AM
I am all for earmarked funds for wild turkeys in any state,...as long as there is oversight by some entity that ensures that the funds are used within the framework of what they are earmarked for. As others have stated, if the parameters for using those funds were not pretty specific to direct funding for wild turkey management programs such as habitat improvements, programs to enhance reproductive success in turkeys, and transplant programs where needed, I would likely oppose until any other frivolous uses were removed from that earmarking.
This.
Quote from: joey46 on March 07, 2022, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: joey46 on March 07, 2022, 12:07:19 PM
Quote from: OJR on March 07, 2022, 10:08:37 AM
I understand that this isn't about Florida. But, since the price of the resident turkey permit was mentioned ($5.00), I think the non-resident price should be mentioned as well. It' $125.00. They are good for two turkeys each season and are valid for one calendar year.
One Florida benefit for the non-resident is that the short term general hunting license is all that is required in addition to the $125.00 permit. This is an big savings to the many that only come down for a few days. The other two states I've regularly hunted do not allow the short term license to be used for deer or turkey. Most don't. Know a few guys that will hunt late one Florida turkey season and then have a turkey license that is still valid if they come down early the next spring. Almost too good a deal.
Thanks! Guess I missed your post. It is a good deal if you can work your dates right.
What I can't figure out is, why doesn't Florida have any sort of a tagging system with all the demand there is to hunt Osceolas. Every other state I've hunted makes you tag them, while FL goes by the honor system.
I would not, the money would never be used for what it was suppose to be used for.
Here in Mississippi, we pay for a WMA permit and the money is suppose to be for upkeep on the areas, that's not happening.
If I knew that 90%+ of the money was going to improve wild turkey habitat, I would for sure.
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Quote from: guesswho on March 04, 2022, 05:23:37 PM
If I was 100% sure where and how the money would be spent, then yes. But I'm not ready to fork over any extra money for some state official with blinders on to spend it how he sees fit.
Agreed.