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Turkey Guns & Shooting => 20 Gauge Turkey Guns => Topic started by: Swampfoxforeman on February 09, 2022, 07:31:09 PM

Title: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: Swampfoxforeman on February 09, 2022, 07:31:09 PM
I have a 21" barrel coming for my 870 20 gauge. I'm looking for a choke for it, but I can't decide between Sumtoy and Indian Creek. Thoughts on what one to go with? Thank you
Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: ShortMagFan on February 09, 2022, 07:41:49 PM
Hard to know without shooting them. Plenty of folks using either with good results. William from Sumtoy will probably chime in
Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: Parkerg31 on February 09, 2022, 07:49:17 PM
What size shot? Lead or TSS? Average shot distance? Do you want baseball tight or more open? Lots of variables.
Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: Swampfoxforeman on February 09, 2022, 08:18:23 PM
Well I have some lead LBXR #5 If I can find some TSS #9 I'm wanting to try them out. As far as open or really tight I would like a cluster around the size of a basketball
Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: Gmed on February 09, 2022, 08:20:51 PM
I have the same gun and so does my grown son. I have shot the Sumtoy and Indian Creek (both .562 and .570) in each, and I can tell ya, just because they are the same make and model, each gun is different. With Federal TSS #9s his gun likes a .562 Sumtoy, mine a .562 Indian Creek. I shoot Apex Ninja #8.5s now and a .570 Indian Creek threw a better hunting pattern with the 8.5s than the .562. It all depends on how hot a core you want, but you can't go wrong with the .562 constriction in either choke. William at Sumtoy asks people "how dead do you want em". Both Indian Creek and William at Sumtoy seem to be top notch people and will help you find the choke you and your particular gun likes!!!!
Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: Swampfoxforeman on February 09, 2022, 08:58:12 PM
I have a RSF this was my pattern @40 with LBXR #5.
Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: Gmed on February 09, 2022, 09:41:17 PM
Longbeard #6's will add you about 15-20 pellets to that pattern....TSS #9s will add you about 200 and hit with the same energy as those #5's....
Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: Swampfoxforeman on February 09, 2022, 10:10:24 PM
Quote from: Gmed on February 09, 2022, 09:41:17 PM
Longbeard #6's will add you about 15-20 pellets to that pattern....TSS #9s will add you about 200 and hit with the same energy as those #5's....

True but can't shoot TSS out of the RSF. Well it says lead only at least.
Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: SumToy on February 10, 2022, 10:08:50 AM
This is one them that is hard to answer.    Guns are like humans they all have a attitude and it is different.    I seen some that liked the smaller IC stuff better and then next one likes our stuff better.     I dont think you can go wrong with either of them.   

I like one better then the other.  :TooFunny:
Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: PharmHunter on February 10, 2022, 12:49:31 PM
Quote from: Swampfoxforeman on February 09, 2022, 07:31:09 PM
I have a 21" barrel coming for my 870 20 gauge. I'm looking for a choke for it, but I can't decide between Sumtoy and Indian Creek. Thoughts on what one to go with? Thank you

Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: PharmHunter on February 10, 2022, 12:50:27 PM
Quote from: Swampfoxforeman on February 09, 2022, 07:31:09 PM
I have a 21" barrel coming for my 870 20 gauge. I'm looking for a choke for it, but I can't decide between Sumtoy and Indian Creek. Thoughts on what one to go with? Thank you

You can't go wrong with either of them, but William(sumtoy) is a member here and provides not only a great product but great customer service if that helps. 
Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: Swampfoxforeman on February 10, 2022, 06:30:00 PM
Ordered a Sumtoy 562 choke today
Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: ChesterCopperpot on February 10, 2022, 06:54:43 PM
Quote from: Swampfoxforeman on February 10, 2022, 06:30:00 PM
Ordered a Sumtoy 562 choke today
I'd say William will most certainly get you sorted out. Plus he's such an asset and has done so much for the OG forum it's just great to support his work. Show us some patterns when you get it dialed up.


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Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: Jmillwood21 on February 14, 2022, 02:48:22 PM
I just picked up a .562 from sumtoy for my 20ga also. I'm going to try the apex 9s with it.


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Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: VAHUNTER on February 17, 2022, 08:21:12 PM
i bought two chokes for my SxS from SumToy . .562 and a .575. shooting Apex TSS in the left and #5'S lead in the right. I could not be happier with this set up. Both chokes throw a really good killing pattern with No holes.
Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: N2TRKYS on February 17, 2022, 11:23:39 PM
Quote from: Swampfoxforeman on February 09, 2022, 10:10:24 PM
Quote from: Gmed on February 09, 2022, 09:41:17 PM
Longbeard #6's will add you about 15-20 pellets to that pattern....TSS #9s will add you about 200 and hit with the same energy as those #5's....

True but can't shoot TSS out of the RSF. Well it says lead only at least.

Yes you can.  I've been shooting it through mine for years.  I prefer it over the sumtoy or the ic.   
Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: Dtrkyman on February 18, 2022, 03:08:05 PM
I have an Indian creek .555, it patterns extremely well from my sa-20, however it is getting some gouges in the wad catchers from the TSS.

Indian creek said it was normal and so far the patterns are still good, but it must be an issue at some point?
Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: austinc on February 23, 2022, 10:47:42 PM
Dont count out jebs, this was a 565 out of my youth 870. But I do want to pick up a 562 sumtoy in the next few weeks to try
Title: Re: Sumtoy vs Indian Creek
Post by: Fullfan on February 24, 2022, 07:55:32 AM
I have both IC and Sumtoy.  Shooting handloaded TSS 8, 8.5. 8x9 both do very well. Just pick your poison.