For this Thread- let us say - Old Bob is in his mid-60s and lives in a NorthEastern State. A Lifetime Ruffed Grouse and Timberdoodle Hunter. Old Bob is a great " Wingshot".
He is also a great Rifle Shot. Precise hits on D?er.They don't go far before Dropping.
Old Bob just completed his 1st year of Turkey Hunting. He does not yet know how to use a Turkey Call. But Old Bob is a Great Woodsman.
In the Spring- he slipped up Close to a Gobbling Tom in the open hardwoods and Rolled the Gobbler of the Róost. Bob's very 1st Turkey and he was overjoyed. Bob read the Regs of course and this was not illegal in his State.
Now later that Fall- Old Bob was on his first Fall Turkey Hunt.The Public Field he was walking to had just had a combine come through 2 days before. All the Corn was harvested. Thêre was plenty of Corn laying in the Field after the combine got done though.
Bob saw a Flock close to his position as he entered the Field. The Flock Scattered and 1 big Jake took to the Sky. Bob- ever the good wingshot swung his Shotgun up and gave a good lead on the Jake. Down that Jake crashed with a Heavy Thud. Again- Old Bob was Thrilled and the Wife would be as well. Again - in reading the Regs carefully- Bob realized that a shot at a Flying Fall Turkey was legal.
For this Thread- Would you Praise Bob or Hate on Him for a Spring Roost Shot and a Fall Turkey " wingshot" ?
Being that this is Summer and " Slow"- thêre might be some responses to a Thread different from " Declining Populations".
Enjoy the Summer All.
Old Bob is a killer. He's a legal hunter and well versed in killing, but he's just not learned the unwritten rules. He can always post his exploits on a turkey fourm and quickly get a lesson on what not to do, and how there are many things more important than legally filling one's tag. Or Old Bob just might be a retired dump truck driver who is more concerned about how he feels towards things and doesn't give a fart in a whirlwind about some else's opinions.
My first question for Bob would be, "you want my wife's recipe for turkey casserole?". After that I'd offer to take him along on a hunt sometime and explain I don't roost shoot, but hey if he wants to, go for it as long as it's legal. Bob will develop his turkey hunting skills and ethics in time, I suppose his reply to a scolding would be, "go to hell, it's legal and I don't need your advice". I think we lead newbies by example not by criticism.
Oh yeah, I have shot my share off the wing. I might challenge him on his wing shooting. I see no problem with someone knowing their skill set and using it.
Turning without using your signal is illegal, so is going 5 mph over the speed limit, but we all do it, because....who is it hurting? What's the big deal? Bob really didn't hurt anyone, (other than the bird). Here's the big deal, It's being respectful to other to use your signal, and if you go 5mph over , next time it will be 10 untill it's unsafe and someone gets hurt. Shooting birds like that is like a gateway drug. What's next....shooting from the road, poaching at night ect... Hey Bob.. it's not always about the kill. Respect the sport, the animal, and others. Bye Bob
Ol' Bob needs to join OG so he can be flamed by old school hunter who know it all.
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Ol Bob needs to roll over and die. If he doesn't turkey hunt the "right" way he's wasting oxygen in our turkey woods where the "real" turkey hunters should be.
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I want to hunt with you. You have good camp stories.
As far as Ol Bob, to each their own. Worry about yourself and your own mission in life. Unless of course Ol Bob is hurting others...then you hurt Bob.
Enjoyed reading your post.
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Ol Bob is a member here, and has always said if its legal and you don't have a problem with it go for it and don't worry about what anyone says. If everyone went by theses rules this would be a more civil place.
First off old Bob is not a hunter he's a turkey killer. Good luck old Bob , i hope one day you learn the true meaning of turkey hunting from us old school hunters on O G... I'm sure you will come up with some ridiculous side name like some do who cut us old school hunters down on OG...
I would neither praise nor hate Ol' Bob. If I saw Ol' Bob in town grabbing a bite to eat, I'd probably see if he minded if I joined him. I have no problem with Ol' Bob unless he does Ol' Ronnie or his family wrong. If he does, then me an Ol' Bob would probably have a private discussion.
Just to Clarify,I am not Old Bob. He is fictional for this Thread. No beginner either. Killed a big Truck load.
I was interested in seeing varied replys to a subject never really talked about. And,I was not disapointed- lol.
If Ol' Bob is a fictional character in a fictional story then I change my answer to fictional. Put me down for whipping Ol" Bobs arse, twice. Once for each fictional scenario.
Quote from: guesswho on August 04, 2021, 02:09:00 PM
If Ol' Bob is a fictional character in a fictional story then I change my answer to fictional. Put me down for whipping Ol" Bobs arse, twice. Once for each fictional scenario. :funnyturkey:
I jumped right to "beat Bob with a stick" as my first thought.
But that is often a first thought for me, no matter the topic. :TooFunny: I'm becoming a contrary old fart. :z-guntootsmiley:
Actually, Bob needs someone to gently educate him in the ways of ethical and real fun turkey hunting. He studied the law, he just needs a bit more turkey learning.
Quote from: guesswho on August 04, 2021, 02:09:00 PM
If Ol' Bob is a fictional character in a fictional story then I change my answer to fictional. Put me down for whipping Ol" Bobs arse, twice. Once for each fictional scenario.
Hahaha
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Legal? Yes.
Ethical for most experienced turkey hunters? No.
After congratulating Bob for his success, I would explain to him the thrills of turkey hunting in the usual way. I would offer him an opportunity to tag along with me and try it out.
Then regardless of what he chose to do, I would wish him the best of luck on his future "legal" hunts. Why would I chastise Bob for employing a method of hunting that his state deemed to be legal?
Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.
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The first thing Ol Bob should do is read the regs before pulling on the trigger, not after
and for the old school comment,
Read Tom Kelly, Simon Everett, Henry Davis and Capt. Bogardus
they all wing shot sometimes even if it wasn't the norm.
Quote from: crow on August 04, 2021, 04:14:41 PM
The first thing Ol Bob should do is read the regs before pulling on the trigger, not after
and for the old school comment,
Read Tom Kelly, Simon Everett, Henry Davis and Capt. Bogardus
they all wing shot sometimes even if it wasn't the norm.
I agree. Many years ago(mid 1970's) as a teen age kid I recall my Dad bagging a nice fall hen with a wing shot. I recall at the time thinking what a great shot. He later related to me that she saw him at the last moment and took to the air and he would have rather taken her on the ground but things do not always go as planned. To this day it's the only turkey I remember seeing shot on the wing.
I did write that the regs were read " before" he pulled the Trigger Crow. Read again..
As for myself- very Ethical in the Turkey woods with Skills equal to any here..
Also like Môki hêre- a multiple Turkey Book Author.
I enjoy the varied replys . Although some are Crapping out of boredom.
I can tell that some responding are not Fall Turkey Hunters.
It's called limb whoopin
Quote from: ol bob on August 04, 2021, 09:09:40 AM
Ol Bob is a member here, and has always said if its legal and you don't have a problem with it go for it and don't worry about what anyone says. If everyone went by theses rules this would be a more civil place.
Truth
Quote from: quavers59 on August 04, 2021, 04:42:43 PM
I did write that the regs were read " before" he pulled the Trigger Crow. Read again..
As for myself- very Ethical in the Turkey woods with Skills equal to any here..
Also like Môki hêre- a multiple Turkey Book Author.
I enjoy the varied replys . Although some are Crapping out of boredom.
I can tell that some responding are not Fall Turkey Hunters.
I did, still looks to me like Old Bob is back home brushing up on the regs after the fact to make sure it's safe to post pics on face tee gram. While his wife is basting a turkey
If this is all hypothetical:
As ol' Bob nears the gobblers roost tree he hears a slight noise. Turning his head slightly he sees a man standing beside him. How he got there he has no idea. The man has a striking bearing, reminiscent of a combination of Thor and Brad Pitt. The man explains in a low tone that he is already on the gobbler and he would like a little space. Ol' Bob politely apologizes and turns back. As he walks away he decides to find the fellows truck and see what the outcome is. The only truck he can find is a 1985 square bodied chevy in mint condition. Assuming it is his he waits around a bit. Not 45 minutes later the gentleman comes walking out of the woods with a 32lb eastern with 2" spurs and twin 15" beards. He is amazed because he never heard a shot. Upon talking to the fellow he finds out that the hunter called him in with his natural voice and broke his neck with a stick. They bs for a while and then part ways. Ol' Bob is puzzled because he realizes he isn't even upset about the turkey and feels lucky to have met such an amazing and awsome hunter. He hopes the fellow gets it mounted, it was an amazing specimen of a turkey.
Maybe one day I will invite ol' Bob over to take a look at it nestled on the wall next to my nobel prize, letters from Tom Brady and Hugh Hefner telling me I am the man and my uncashed checks from Bill gates and Jeffrey Bezos for getting them started in life.
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Happy,
You really need to keep those checks in a safe place. Tell ya what, just autograph them on the back and send them to me and I'll keep them safe. For double security I'll give one to gobblenut to keep safe. We'll meet in SD next spring and cash them, no no I mean secure them.
In the mean time Old Bob and I have taken up fishing. For an old guy he can sling a stick of dynamite pretty far. I did have to school him on the ethics of fishing though. "Bob, we don't dip up the carp and trash fish". :OGturkeyhead:
Better keep tabs on ole bob , if he is that slippery ? He may be slipping in your back door at home while your at work ! Ole Bob ...
Quote from: eggshell on August 05, 2021, 06:41:55 AM
Happy,
You really need to keep those checks in a safe place. Tell ya what, just autograph them on the back and send them to me and I'll keep them safe. For double security I'll give one to gobblenut to keep safe. We'll meet in SD next spring and cash them, no no I mean secure them.
In the mean time Old Bob and I have taken up fishing. For an old guy he can sling a stick of dynamite pretty far. I did have to school him on the ethics of fishing though. "Bob, we don't dip up the carp and trash fish". :OGturkeyhead:
As everyone knows, if your gonna lie, lie big. Be careful with that dynamite eggshell some of them fuses are a touch quicker than the others
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That Bob doesn't know how to use a turkey call is troubling to me. He's a crack wingshot and dead eye with a rifle; these skills show respect and care for his quarry. They allow for clean kills delivered in a safe, ethical way. A way that is time honored and accepted in hunting circles. Much time and care was taken to learn and fine tune these skill sets. Grabing a shot gun and blowing away a turkey is not showing this great game animal the same respect he has showen the grouse, the woodcock and the deer. That's my problem with your hypothetical scenario.
Ol' Bob needs a Youtube channel
Quote from: guesswho on August 06, 2021, 08:06:52 AM
Ol' Bob needs a Youtube channel
He does already , it's called "catman " , can't call , and limb shots !
Lol ... sorry Catman , sometimes I just can't help myself !!
Quote from: Howie g on August 06, 2021, 09:13:09 AM
Quote from: guesswho on August 06, 2021, 08:06:52 AM
Ol' Bob needs a Youtube channel
He does already , it's called "catman " , can't call , and limb shots !
Lol ... sorry Catman , sometimes I just can't help myself !!
This is so funny.. i cant stop laughing .. :TooFunny:
Next thing you know ole Bob will be reaping , corn feeding and sniping them with his rifle. Sorry Bob but you sound like a man who only cares about the kill not the hunt.
Ol Bob did everything legal. He aint going hungry. Legal is legal. Just because its not how someone else hunts doesn't make it wrong. We don't all you a fly rod to catch a fish, some folks even use live bait. All legal, all fill the freezer.
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Quote from: roberthyman14 on August 12, 2021, 10:13:45 AM
Ol Bob did everything legal. He aint going hungry. Legal is legal. Just because its not how someone else hunts doesn't make it wrong. We don't all you a fly rod to catch a fish, some folks even use live bait. All legal, all fill the freezer.
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Isn't Bob short for Robert ? Just saying u sound like a ole bob with this " if it's legal stuff "
Quote from: Howie g on August 12, 2021, 10:44:58 AM
Quote from: roberthyman14 on August 12, 2021, 10:13:45 AM
Ol Bob did everything legal. He aint going hungry. Legal is legal. Just because its not how someone else hunts doesn't make it wrong. We don't all you a fly rod to catch a fish, some folks even use live bait. All legal, all fill the freezer.
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Isn't Bob short for Robert ? Just saying u sound like a ole bob with this " if it's legal stuff "
I'm sure you only use a single shot shotgun, only hunt public land, never shot a deer on a food plot, fly rod with barb less flies, never use live bait. You know cause you want the sport in it.
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Here's my take on the two scenarios presented.
First, the wingshot question: A competent wingshooter using the right shotgun, choke, and load can kill an airborne turkey as consistently and as dead as shooting that same bird on the ground when using good judgement in considering the conditions at hand. Those conditions can vary a lot, however. The operative words in this equation, though, are "competence" and "good judgement". Some folks are blessed with both, some with neither. Now, if someone wants to criticize bob for the circumstances that lead up to the flying-turkey shot, that is another discussion. The act of shooting a turkey out of the air, in itself, is of no consequence to me if the competence and judgement boxes are checked.
Regarding bob's roost-shooting episode, I have experienced this one non-fictionally with an acquaintance that had taken up spring gobbler hunting. Although I did not go ballistic on him for it, I think he could tell by the expression on my face that I was not pleased with what he did. I gently coaxed him with the statement that shooting turkeys off the roost is not really what spring gobbler hunting is all about and that he would probably enjoy the experience more if he approached it differently. That is the best I could come up with at the time. I think it did some good,....or at least I am hoping it did.
My name ain't Bob, but hey in 50 years I done about anything your little mind can imagine turkey hunting. some of it Kosher and some of it not. when you start as a teenager and have no real mentor, or a mentor who is the "evil form of Bob" you develop your ethics as you go. This ole boy was raised country poor and wild game was primarily food first and sport later, so it mattered more if we took meat home than how we killed it. Now, I can proudly say the last 40 years I have shed my Bob Skin and done things more sportingly, well for the most part. I have killed a few off the wing in recent years. I did shoot one off a limb once, but I shot him on the ground first and he flew up on a low limb and was sitting there wobbling so I took no chances and closed the door on him sailing off and being lost. I would best there are some skeletons in most of our closets if we're honest....a little Bob lives in most of us.
Open my closet door and you better be wearing a hard hat :TooFunny:
I don't care how Ole Bob hunts. It's his prerogative. If Bob does it repeatedly I know I won't be asking him to go on any hunting trips. I may have a beer with him but no turkey hunting. Over said beer the topic may come up and I'll give it my best shot to cleanse Ole Bob of his evil ways!
I gave up going bow hunting for Elk in Colorado because they guys I went with didn't have much respect for the animals they hunted.
Shooting at turkeys on the wing is not in my arsenal, same for shooting at running deer. I owe it to the animal to take the most ethical shot I can. For me shooting at flying turkeys is not it. I think for most no explanation is needed for Bob's roost shooting.
Quote from: roberthyman14 on August 12, 2021, 12:05:01 PM
Quote from: Howie g on August 12, 2021, 10:44:58 AM
Quote from: roberthyman14 on August 12, 2021, 10:13:45 AM
Ol Bob did everything legal. He aint going hungry. Legal is legal. Just because its not how someone else hunts doesn't make it wrong. We don't all you a fly rod to catch a fish, some folks even use live bait. All legal, all fill the freezer.
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Isn't Bob short for Robert ? Just saying u sound like a ole bob with this " if it's legal stuff "
I'm sure you only use a single shot shotgun, only hunt public land, never shot a deer on a food plot, fly rod with barb less flies, never use live bait. You know cause you want the sport in it.
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Actually, I'm none of the things you stereo typed, I rarely hunt public , I've killed a truck load of bucks out food plots , the only fishing I do is hand noodling, so your wrong on all accounts . I just get tired of hearing " if it's legal it's ok " all the time . Sorry if my post offended you . But hey , nothing illegal about my post rite ? So I guess it's ok ...