The competition and call maker thread made me bring this up. A few years ago I bought a mat van cise mouth call and it was very raspy , and seemed like I had to call very loudly to make the sounds I wanted. I didn't really use it hunting. Fast forward to this past spring and I bought my old stand by I have been using forever,a true double. I'm a true double fan but haven't used mouth calls at all for the last 6 years. The true double I bought this year seems very raspy, more so than I remember. Is it just me or my less experienced ear. Do you think calling competitions influence call making , or more popular styles of calling ?
I think that has been a trend in turkey calls over the last decade and especially the last five or so years: calls becoming increasingly raspy. I think most hens have the ability to get raspy. Personally I like a call that I can dial it back or lay to it.
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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on July 30, 2021, 05:48:51 PM
I think that has been a trend in turkey calls over the last decade and especially the last five or so years: calls becoming increasingly raspy. I think most hens have the ability to get raspy. Personally I like a call that I can dial it back or lay to it.
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Yea, what he said...
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Quote from: hotspur on July 30, 2021, 05:44:31 PM
The competition and call maker thread made me bring this up. A few years ago I bought a mat van cise mouth call and it was very raspy , and seemed like I had to call very loudly to make the sounds I wanted. I didn't really use it hunting. Fast forward to this past spring and I bought my old stand by I have been using forever,a true double. I'm a true double fan but haven't used mouth calls at all for the last 6 years. The true double I bought this year seems very raspy, more so than I remember. Is it just me or my less experienced ear. Do you think calling competitions influence call making , or more popular styles of calling ?
hotspur - I've used the True Double for 25 years, and it's about the
raspiest mouth call you can get. They haven't changed a bit in 25 years.
Quote from: Jimspur on July 30, 2021, 06:21:33 PM
Quote from: hotspur on July 30, 2021, 05:44:31 PM
The competition and call maker thread made me bring this up. A few years ago I bought a mat van cise mouth call and it was very raspy , and seemed like I had to call very loudly to make the sounds I wanted. I didn't really use it hunting. Fast forward to this past spring and I bought my old stand by I have been using forever,a true double. I'm a true double fan but haven't used mouth calls at all for the last 6 years. The true double I bought this year seems very raspy, more so than I remember. Is it just me or my less experienced ear. Do you think calling competitions influence call making , or more popular styles of calling ?
hotspur - I've used the True Double for 25 years, and it's about the
raspiest mouth call you can get. They haven't changed a bit in 25 years.
it's my ear then . Good to know. The old saying still stands ,, I am over thinking it.
Quote from: boatpaddle on July 30, 2021, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on July 30, 2021, 05:48:51 PM
I think that has been a trend in turkey calls over the last decade and especially the last five or so years: calls becoming increasingly raspy. I think most hens have the ability to get raspy. Personally I like a call that I can dial it back or lay to it.
Yea, what he said...
Gotta agree.............except for the time frame.
Raspy came to mainstream popularity about 4 decades ago with the Quaker Boy Cutter and Cutter Magnum. Used 'em for several years. 1990 I switched to a Red Hot Cutter by Hally Caller.........a small company out of eastern PA...........and then to their Blue Viper. These two were DOG raspy. And the were responsible for a ton of turkey deaths. Hally Caller's demise sent me searching here and there and never quite satisfied. Until I got hooked up and hooked ON some of Gooserbat's diaphragms. His heckler and DTW are as raspy as anything I ever ran..........IF that's where I wanna be. The come down and come in for soft work better than any other raspy calls I've ever used.
Would the Van Cise call you had not reign in and work softly for you ??
I have used the Primos "True Double and "True Triple" for many years. They are my personal favorites. I adjust the rasp by how much pressure I apply and air volume I use. Lower both and they can become surprisingly clear. I must say the "Triple" is the raspiest, nastiest call made IMO. There is a reason they have been manufactured all these years. They work.
Quote from: WildTigerTrout on July 30, 2021, 06:53:13 PM
I have used the Primos "True Double and "True Triple" for many years. They are my personal favorites. I adjust the rasp by how much pressure I apply and air volume I use. Lower both and they can become surprisingly clear. I must say the "Triple" is the raspiest, nastiest call made IMO. There is a reason they have been manufactured all these years. They work.
You're right WildTiger - that Triple is the raspiest, I couldn't use it 'cause
it felt like I had a hubcap in my mouth!
Quote from: Yoder409 on July 30, 2021, 06:44:10 PM
Quote from: boatpaddle on July 30, 2021, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on July 30, 2021, 05:48:51 PM
I think that has been a trend in turkey calls over the last decade and especially the last five or so years: calls becoming increasingly raspy. I think most hens have the ability to get raspy. Personally I like a call that I can dial it back or lay to it.
Yea, what he said...
Gotta agree.............except for the time frame.
Raspy came to mainstream popularity about 4 decades ago with the Quaker Boy Cutter and Cutter Magnum. Used 'em for several years. 1990 I switched to a Red Hot Cutter by Hally Caller.........a small company out of eastern PA...........and then to their Blue Viper. These two were DOG raspy. And the were responsible for a ton of turkey deaths. Hally Caller's demise sent me searching here and there and never quite satisfied. Until I got hooked up and hooked ON some of Gooserbat's diaphragms. His heckler and DTW are as raspy as anything I ever ran..........IF that's where I wanna be. The come down and come in for soft work better than any other raspy calls I've ever used.
Would the Van Cise call you had not reign in and work softly for you ??
I really didn't try it much that I can remember. Over the years I have used mouth calls less. I like box calls, as in short box , scratchers , and push pins. I carry a slate over glass that I use also. But these I consider good weather calls. But I like mouth calls and glass pots for bad weather
Quote from: Jimspur on July 30, 2021, 08:36:12 PM........ I couldn't use it 'cause
it felt like I had a hubcap in my mouth!
:TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
When it comes to mouth calls, the amount of rasp produced is controlled primarily by the user, not the call itself. I've never used the calls mentioned but they appear to be stacked calls. I can't imagine that one would be able to control the call very effectively with that configuration.
Quote from: simpzenith on July 31, 2021, 10:41:03 AM
When it comes to mouth calls, the amount of rasp produced is controlled primarily by the user, not the call itself. I've never used the calls mentioned but they appear to be stacked calls. I can't imagine that one would be able to control the call very effectively with that configuration.
Yep. The user brings out most of the rasp. Reed thickness, cuts and configuration can make a call CONDUCIVE to MORE raspiness, though. I could never get used to running stacked calls, either.
The True double and True triple are also made with prophylactic reeds
which also adds to the raspiness.
Quote from: simpzenith on July 31, 2021, 10:41:03 AM
When it comes to mouth calls, the amount of rasp produced is controlled primarily by the user, not the call itself. I've never used the calls mentioned but they appear to be stacked calls. I can't imagine that one would be able to control the call very effectively with that configuration.
I know I can control it just fine. I really like the stacked configuration. I know quite a few dead gobblers that liked it too until their lights went out!!
It's possible they changed the latex that they're using or the tension on it.
Quote from: Yoder409 on July 31, 2021, 12:05:41 PM
Quote from: simpzenith on July 31, 2021, 10:41:03 AM
When it comes to mouth calls, the amount of rasp produced is controlled primarily by the user, not the call itself. I've never used the calls mentioned but they appear to be stacked calls. I can't imagine that one would be able to control the call very effectively with that configuration.
Yep. The user brings out most of the rasp. Reed thickness, cuts and configuration can make a call CONDUCIVE to MORE raspiness, though. I could never get used to running stacked calls, either.
I agree , more tongue pressure would help, I haven't used mouth calls much for years, probably user error. I like stacked frames for low maintenance. Mouth calls are not as durable as friction calls , just my preference for something i more durable that I don't have to buy every couple of years. I like hard calls more than laytex types. But your right it's in the user