I know I wouldn't.
Yes. Most shotguns including the Moss 835 or 10GA for that matter won't even give you 150 consistently anyway at a true 40yds in a true 10" though. Sure there will be people who say they can or have one, but I haven't seen it done. I know my 835 won't do it. And it shoots as good as any I have seen. And I'm talking about lead 6 loads too.
Yes, I want 200 at 40 at a minimum. Really covers that head and neck well.
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I spend way too much money, work too hard, and don't get enough chances at a turkey each season to affording being cheap and skimping to save a buck or two at the moment of truth.
:z-winnersmiley:
One thought runs through my mind is that I believe that lead will eventually become obsolete and any attempt to continue to pattern or use lead shells is a waste of time. Lead will become obsolete primarily because of 2 reasons. First being technology with the nontoxic loads and the ever increasing pressure that lead will eventually become banned as a shot shell component.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 31, 2011, 08:00:43 AM
Yes. Most shotguns including the Moss 835 or 10GA for that matter won't even give you 150 consistently anyway at a true 40yds in a true 10" though. Sure there will be people who say they can or have one, but I haven't seen it done. I know my 835 won't do it. And it shoots as good as any I have seen. And I'm talking about lead 6 loads too.
You just stated that if you could get 150 #5s .... so are you making your own conversation or just wanting to post your own contrasting debate?
If I could get 100 #5s in a 10" at 40 yards there would be no need for HTL.
Quote from: bird on May 31, 2011, 09:25:58 AM
One thought runs through my mind is that I believe that lead will eventually become obsolete and any attempt to continue to pattern or use lead shells is a waste of time. Lead will become obsolete primarily because of 2 reasons. First being technology with the nontoxic loads and the ever increasing pressure that lead will eventually become banned as a shot shell component.
So if you are over 65 lets say , and have several boxes of lead that has killed birds all your life you should throw them away and buy up some HTL because one day lead may become obsolete? Not hardly .
Quote from: RAJ on May 31, 2011, 12:09:45 PM
Quote from: bird on May 31, 2011, 09:25:58 AM
One thought runs through my mind is that I believe that lead will eventually become obsolete and any attempt to continue to pattern or use lead shells is a waste of time. Lead will become obsolete primarily because of 2 reasons. First being technology with the nontoxic loads and the ever increasing pressure that lead will eventually become banned as a shot shell component.
So if you are over 65 lets say , and have several boxes of lead that has killed birds all your life you should throw them away and buy up some HTL because one day lead may become obsolete? Not hardly .
Your talking hypothetical RAJ.... I don't have several boxes of lead and am not interested in purchasing any lead for the reasons I stated above.
bird
dont plan on going back to lead, besides price there is no advantage to lead
I spent hundreds of dollars just in gas this season, why should i worry about a few extra bucks on my shells
I would use 'em. Actually, if I could consistently get a whole 2oz payload of #5's in a 20" circle at 40 yards, launched at a decent velocity, why not?
If I could maintain 150 in a 10" at forty yards I would not personally have any use for HTL. I have always appreciated the terminal effects of lead. Copper plated lead expands and makes fairly large holes in soft tissue like a breast or chest vitals.
Quote from: 2ounce6s on May 31, 2011, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: stinkpickle on May 31, 2011, 12:51:43 PM
I would use 'em. Actually, if I could consistently get a whole 2oz payload of #5's in a 20" circle at 40 yards, launched at a decent velocity, why not?
If I could do that I'd have never even tried hevi, just the truth of the matter. #5s served me well for a long time and had Federal not stopped making the old style wad Premium loads........
True dat!
not a chance.
too much time, money, and sweat equity invested to even consider throwing less-capable shot at the most regal of gamebirds.
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on May 31, 2011, 03:12:55 PM
not a chance.
too much time, money, and sweat equity invested to even consider throwing less-capable shot at the most regal of gamebirds.
Said another way: This isn't dove hunting where one can shoot a full case easily in a season. How many shells should it take to get a season limit of turkeys? I'd rather pay for TSS for my buddies and me than the gas it took to hunt this year.
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I spend way too much money, work too hard, and don't get enough chances at a turkey each season to afford being cheap and skimping to save a buck or two at the moment of truth.
There is way too much of a difference between lead and what I shoot to ever seriously consider shooting lead again unless I had no choice.
Exactly!
I would shoot the lead if those were the numbers. The 5's in lead are gonna hit way harder than the hevi's, in 6's or 7's. I am pretty sure the lead 5's will give you enough penetration at 40 yards to go through the head and neck. Any more penetration than that is wasted anyway.
QuoteIf I could get 100 #5s in a 10" at 40 yards there would be no need for HTL.
I can get 90+ every time, shot after shot, with 3" Win Sup HV 1.75 Ounce #5. I've gotten as high as 116 before. I've read where a few others have claimed 150. At 150 I'm positive I'd never buy HTL again. Heck, at 130 I'd be excited.
If I could get 150 or better number 5's inside 10 at 40 then yeah I'd use them. That would be some serious thump with a shell like the black Winchester Supreme HV shells. But this is just an interesting hypothetical question with no basis in reality to me. The best I "ever" got with lead 5's at 40 yards was low 90's. And I spent a lot of time and money getting to that level with them.
i shoot a sp 10 and im aver 200 at 40 with lead my 10 year old shoots a 20 ga with lead and he got 4 gobblers now all long beards all went down at the shot i will shoot head to head with anybody and shells 50 yards and in with my win #5 been shooting birds for 30 years and you dont need htl loads sorry guys i just cant grt into the hype of them shells if you do your job as a hunter you can use a 410 and i have
If I could get 150 #5s in 10" at 40 yards that is evenly spread with lead then I would dang sure use them!
Quote from: jfair on May 31, 2011, 04:59:32 PM
I would shoot the lead if those were the numbers. The 5's in lead are gonna hit way harder than the hevi's, in 6's or 7's. I am pretty sure the lead 5's will give you enough penetration at 40 yards to go through the head and neck. Any more penetration than that is wasted anyway.
Shock power has nothing to do with killing turkeys. You want density and penetration. Lead 5's won't give you a lot of density, but they will penetrate well. I doubt they will penetrate better than Hevi 6's from what I have seen. I'll take Hevi-13 7's over the lead 5's anyday of the week.
"If" is the issue there. Ive had 10-12 turkey guns over the years and none of them would even come close to 150 in a 10" circle @ 40yds with 5's....Ive never seen a gun that will do that either.... Thats a special gun/choke/shell combo to be able to turn those numbers. 250-300 is not that difficult to pull off with HTL @ 40yds. I was able to achieve that with two guns and a little bit of advise and testing. Why feel stuck with lead... ?? As far as cost goes.. you can only shoot three turkeys where i am from. Allot more money than that is spent on gas and food for one morning of turkey hunting. Harvesting turkeys with lead doesnt really prove a point. Thats all i hunted with the first 25-30 years i turkey hunted. HTL is so much more effective with clean kills it is ridiculous. My excess of lead shells will be used for pheasant, varmint, and predator hunting. If more of a challenge with the wild turkey is what you are looking for try bowhunting. :boon:
I never ever seen a 12GA or 10GA for that matter shoot anywhere close to 200 shot in a 10" circle at a tape measured 40yds. And I'm talking about lead 6 loads and not 5's. Anyone that says they got a gun that will do it and would care to show me in person I live in southeast MO and I have a gun range that is 12 miles from my house. SHOW-ME! I would love to see it. And I get to tape the yardage, and draw the 10" circle and count the shot. I'm dying to see it.
And I'll put my glass cutout 10" circle around your densest part of the pattern. The rest is up to you. Bring your rabbits foot.
If I had a gun that would put up 150 withwith Winchester Hv #5 at a tape measured 40 in a 10" circle I would shoot it exclusively, unfortunatly - don't so I will shoot HTL, I did shoot a pattern at 40 with Winchester XR 3.5 2oz. #d that had 135 in a 12" Quaker boy turkey turget 1 time though and killed a lot of turkeys with that 870 and load.
I never said that it was likely I'd ever see such a thing. I just asked a hypothetical question that has received some serious replies. If I could get 150 with Lead #5's, I wouldn't care that #7 HTL might get 300. #5 Lead loads may not ever get there, but if they ever do, it will slow down the HTL business.
I found this post interesting. I have a mossberg 835 with a pure gold choke. I have shot numerous types and sizes of loads through this setup, including magnum blend. I have never shot a better shell than Winchester 3.5" XX Mag. #6s. At a measured 40 yds, with an exact 10" circle, I have shot 3 patterns. 179, 179, and 190! Not to call you out Hevi 13, but you seem so reluctant to believe!! Each gun/choke has a distinct love for a particular shell, I just happen to find the love of my guns life! My good buddy can put over 200 in a 10 circle with his Benelli nova and pure gold choke, consistently! Also using the Win 3.5", XX Mag. #6s. If your a lead shooter, I have never seen the Win. high velocity shells out perform the XX Mags.
bird, he said it was a Pure Gold choke.
QuoteWinchester 3.5" XX Mag. #6s. At a measured 40 yds, with an exact 10" circle, I have shot 3 patterns. 179, 179, and 190!
You need to keep up with the lot number on those shells and buy a bunch of them. As many as you can.
:welcomeOG:
I would stick with 300 #7s. 150 at 40 yards is going to be a sub par pattern at 50 let alone 55 IMO.
Quote from: ncmountainfella on June 01, 2011, 05:16:06 AM
I found this post interesting. I have a mossberg 835 with a pure gold choke. I have shot numerous types and sizes of loads through this setup, including magnum blend. I have never shot a better shell than Winchester 3.5" XX Mag. #6s. At a measured 40 yds, with an exact 10" circle, I have shot 3 patterns. 179, 179, and 190! Not to call you out Hevi 13, but you seem so reluctant to believe!! Each gun/choke has a distinct love for a particular shell, I just happen to find the love of my guns life! My good buddy can put over 200 in a 10 circle with his Benelli nova and pure gold choke, consistently! Also using the Win 3.5", XX Mag. #6s. If your a lead shooter, I have never seen the Win. high velocity shells out perform the XX Mags.
Thats an amazing gun. Sounds like the perfect storm. I knew when this hypothetical was brought up there would be people claiming to be able to do it.. By the way.. the hypo was 150's with 5's..Ive had the same experience with the XX and HV shells. Double XX always patterns better out of my guns. In my opinion there is still no comparison between HTL and lead. Although 170's are amazing/unbelievable numbers out of a 3.5 in 12 guage those numbers can be achieved out of a 3in 20 guage with HTL. My 20 guage shoots 173 in a 10in circle @ 40 yds. As Gobble pointed out..go another 5-10 yds past 40 and the drop off rate for lead is off the chart. It is fairly easy for tukey hunters to misjudge 5-10yds sitting on the ground.
Quote from: Gobble! on June 01, 2011, 07:45:38 AM
I would stick with 300 #7s. 150 at 40 yards is going to be a sub par pattern at 50 let alone 55 IMO.
All I need is 40 yards.
Quote from: davisd9 on June 01, 2011, 09:13:30 AM
Quote from: Gobble! on June 01, 2011, 07:45:38 AM
I would stick with 300 #7s. 150 at 40 yards is going to be a sub par pattern at 50 let alone 55 IMO.
All I need is 40 yards.
Exactly. 40yds is all i need as well but i would rather shoot the combo that turns a better pattern from 30 to 40 i.e. HTL. If a turkey hunter is willing to shoot 40 yds it is very easy to misjudge 5-8yds sitting on the ground. Ive seen it done by some of the best bowhunters i know when they are sitting on the ground. In the tree they can judge distance within a couple of yards. I always encourage people to determine their range which in my opinion is 35 or 40yds. Then pattern their gun 5 and 10yds past that to see what they have. Lead combos have a serious drop off rate from 30-40 not to mention how bad it is from 40-50. Ive had hunters tell me about 45-50yd shots with lead they have made on turkeys and then i got them to pattern their gun at that distance. In most cases with lead a fantastic pattern at 30yds isnt looking so good at 45-50yds. They realize then... the shot was a poke and a hope and they got lucky to kill the turkey.
Quote from: ncmountainfella on June 01, 2011, 05:16:06 AM
I found this post interesting. I have a mossberg 835 with a pure gold choke. I have shot numerous types and sizes of loads through this setup, including magnum blend. I have never shot a better shell than Winchester 3.5" XX Mag. #6s. At a measured 40 yds, with an exact 10" circle, I have shot 3 patterns. 179, 179, and 190! Not to call you out Hevi 13, but you seem so reluctant to believe!! Each gun/choke has a distinct love for a particular shell, I just happen to find the love of my guns life! My good buddy can put over 200 in a 10 circle with his Benelli nova and pure gold choke, consistently! Also using the Win 3.5", XX Mag. #6s. If your a lead shooter, I have never seen the Win. high velocity shells out perform the XX Mags.
Like I said I am from the Show-Me State. I would like to see it for myself. That's all. I always hear of these guns that shoot these great lead patterns, but the funny thing is I never ever seen it in all my years of patterning or seen a gun that would consistently shoot those type patterns with lead or even shoot a pattern like the ones you mentioned. I have had some great shooting guns over the years and none of them would do that what you just stated. And I'll put my money where my mouth is that the 835 I have will shoot with the best of them consistently with you pick the loads. I had a guy that used to blow about how his brothers gun would take the head off of a turkey with lead loads at 40yds. So I finlly got him to show me how that great gun patterned live and in person. That gun and load that supposedly shot so well flat out sucked in my opinion. Needless to say my gun smoked his. He was speechless. It would have made a great credit card commercial though. :lol:
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on May 31, 2011, 03:12:55 PM
not a chance.
too much time, money, and sweat equity invested to even consider throwing less-capable shot at the most regal of gamebirds.
Do you also use the most expensive shotgun in the world ? If not ,what is the reason? Surely you don't drive out there in a truck over a year old to carry out that regal gamebird .
Quote from: davisd9 on June 01, 2011, 09:13:30 AM
Quote from: Gobble! on June 01, 2011, 07:45:38 AM
I would stick with 300 #7s. 150 at 40 yards is going to be a sub par pattern at 50 let alone 55 IMO.
All I need is 40 yards.
Wish I could say I have never misjudged a bird. I would like all my shots at 35 yards but thats not always how things play out.
Quote from: RAJ on June 01, 2011, 10:32:49 AM
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on May 31, 2011, 03:12:55 PM
not a chance.
too much time, money, and sweat equity invested to even consider throwing less-capable shot at the most regal of gamebirds.
Do you also use the most expensive shotgun in the world ? If not ,what is the reason? Surely you don't drive out there in a truck over a year old to carry out that regal gamebird .
thats not even comparable.
Like all of this really matters anyway...turkeys ain't gonna roost on a 40 yard high limb. :laugh:
Quote from: Gobble! on June 01, 2011, 10:34:27 AM
Quote from: RAJ on June 01, 2011, 10:32:49 AM
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on May 31, 2011, 03:12:55 PM
not a chance.
too much time, money, and sweat equity invested to even consider throwing less-capable shot at the most regal of gamebirds.
Do you also use the most expensive shotgun in the world ? If not ,what is the reason? Surely you don't drive out there in a truck over a year old to carry out that regal gamebird .
thats not even comparable.
:agreed: Not comparable. A couple of dollars..the price of a coke.. can determine whether or not the turkey rides home in the back of the truck or flies off. When a couple of dollars can make the difference i believe the wild turkey deserves that kind of respect.
Quote from: Longshanks on June 01, 2011, 10:43:51 AM
:agreed: Not comparable. A couple of dollars..the price of a coke.. can determine whether or not the turkey rides home in the back of the truck or flies off.
x2
Quote from: 2ounce6s on June 01, 2011, 11:25:38 AM
Quote from: stinkpickle on June 01, 2011, 10:43:08 AM
Like all of this really matters anyway...turkeys ain't gonna roost on a 40 yard high limb. :laugh:
Yes but any serious sportsman will surely have taken the AOA (angle of attack) into consideration when choosing a proper load. :toothy12:
:TooFunny: True dat! Remember, we could be dealing with a tom that can survive a 10-inch circle filled with 150 lead #5's screaming towards his head. While we're at it, we might as well blow Santa Claus and Easter Bunny outta there, too.
Thanks Gobble and Longshanks for the encouraging words, I had no idea my gun was doing that well with that load. Longshanks your 20 gauge is simply amazing! I would love to try HTL, but I know nothing about them. That is why I am here , to learn.
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Many gobblers were killed long before HTL - its still good stuff
Coke vs. Pepsi its gonna come down to what you like to use
The truth is, most of us never got close to 150 at 40 with Lead. I couldn't do it with 6's, or even 7.5's.
"If" a choke and shell let us get 150 at 40 with Lead #5's, I'd be hunting with that rig. The shells are inexpensive and easy to find, and the power and penetration are definitely adequate.
What if all of the effort put forth in the last couple of years with Hevi13 #7's had been put forth to maximize patterns with Lead #5's instead?
Why do people automatically assume that Lead will be banned? It's like we've already surrendered and given up on ol' Pb.
Lead ain't dead yet.
Not sure what others were doing with lead
I got 170-180 with Nickel plated Lead #5's for years Nitro 101L, that was my go to load out of my SP10 , and trust me it was very good stuff -When the HShot was made available I tried it , It worked even better and out of the lighter recoil 2.25 load it was a simple shot material swap
The HS loads penetration was significantly improved over lead , but like mentioned its a matter of preference . I feel HS shoots tighter , but that is going to cut way down on your fudge factor {aim}, as soon as the popularity of HS came about , the increase in the use of sighting aids soon followed -In my opinion ,this was born out of necessity because of the very tight patterns and the rising trend of ultra tight shooting chokes
I can go out in the woods with no hesitation and have a good season with just lead again if needed, it don't bother me one bit
Well put OG. I agree.
Quote from: Old Gobbler on June 02, 2011, 08:28:56 AM
Not sure what others were doing with lead
I got 170-180 with Nickel plated Lead #5's for years Nitro 101L, that was my go to load out of my SP10 , and trust me it was very good stuff -When the HShot was made available I tried it , It worked even better and out of the lighter recoil 2.25 load it was a simple shot material swap
The HS loads penetration was significantly improved over lead , but like mentioned its a matter of preference . I feel HS shoots tighter , but that is going to cut way down on your fudge factor {aim}, as soon as the popularity of HS came about , the increase in the use of sighting aids soon followed -In my opinion ,this was born out of necessity because of the very tight patterns and the rising trend of ultra tight shooting chokes
I can go out in the woods with no hesitation and have a good season with just lead again if needed, it don't bother me one bit
Nitro shells are not exactly the same thing as the Lead shells mentioned in this thread people are buying off of the shelves in their local sporting goods store and wal mart. That is extremely hot custom ammunition by nitro with a tremendous amount of testing behind it.. Not to mention the cost of Nitro nickel plated lead shot shells.. they are a step above factory production shells. Factory production shells and nitro shells are definately two different animals. Just letting the folks know that if you try to achieve the numbers 170-180 with 5's out of factory production shells..it wont happen. Your shoulder will fall off before you get there.. :)
I still hunt with lead on an occasion in tight areas where the woods are thick and the shots are less than 30yds in most cases and also with taking new hunters out.. The patterns are bigger and i signal them when to shoot as to make sure the turkey is within killing distance. Lead is certainly not dead but i definately pull out the old school tactics when i am hunting with it..set up a little different so when the turkey appears he is in gun range, etc.
Anyone on here that lives close to southeast MO and has a gun that will shoot lead factory #6 loads(forget the 5's which would make it even tougher that will shoot patterns of even 160 or better in a 10" at 40yds consistently I would personally like to see it for myself. Heck I would like to see a factory gun that has had no work to it shoot lead 6's with 150 shot consistently in a 10" at a true 40yds tape measured. I got the tape, the 10" glass cutout, and I got the range. All you need is to pm me and bring your gun and shells. Show-Me in person and I will come on here firsthand and say I seen it for myself.
No harm no foul. I just want to see it that's all.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on June 02, 2011, 01:17:36 PM
Anyone on here that lives close to southeast MO and has a gun that will shoot lead factory #6 loads(forget the 5's which would make it even tougher that will shoot patterns of even 160 or better in a 10" at 40yds consistently I would personally like to see it for myself. Heck I would like to see a factory gun that has had no work to it shoot lead 6's with 150 shot consistently in a 10" at a true 40yds tape measured. I got the tape, the 10" glass cutout, and I got the range. All you need is to pm me and bring your gun and shells. Show-Me in person and I will come on here firsthand and say I seen it for myself.
No harm no foul. I just want to see it that's all.
Gonna have to agree with you ILIKEHEVI-13. I have been shooting the lead slinger for allot of years. Brownings, Rem 870's,1100's, Berettas, etc. Guns that have everything possible done to them that you can do. Polished barrels, polished forcing cones, etc.. Numerous chokes (Pure Gold, Kicks, Rhino, Hastings, Comp-in-choke, Primos, M.A.D,etc and just about every factory shell you could imagine in lead. I have not seen the numbers 150-170 at 40yds. For the first time i got 150's at 35 yds with 6's the other day going back to a shell i shot years ago 3/2/6. I have seen allot of guns patterned as well and i have never seen a leadslinger come close to what some of the guys on here are able to pull off. I know for sure after 35 years of patterning guns i will never be able to turn those numbers with lead 5's. I would just like to see it..
I hear of folks handloading shells with minimal amount of experience and all of a sudden their lead loads out perform and are more consistent than anything factories can produce. Something seems strange about that. Maybe im a little cynical but i have never seen what allot of people claim.
Quote from: bird on May 31, 2011, 09:25:58 AM
One thought runs through my mind is that I believe that lead will eventually become obsolete and any attempt to continue to pattern or use lead shells is a waste of time. Lead will become obsolete primarily because of 2 reasons. First being technology with the nontoxic loads and the ever increasing pressure that lead will eventually become banned as a shot shell component.
I have to agree with Bird the thought here was lead will always be around for us to shoot. That may be at the range and club shooting areas. But the reality out here is hunting areas are already being shut down on lead including some Police indoor ranges (full jacketed rounds only). It is a matter of time just like no lead in paint. I like the lower prices of lead also before you flame me but I am also glad there is a live and well performing alternative on the streets. I do wish the prices were better and that should happen with supply and demand in the future.
Quote from: Longshanks on June 02, 2011, 02:21:15 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on June 02, 2011, 01:17:36 PM
Anyone on here that lives close to southeast MO and has a gun that will shoot lead factory #6 loads(forget the 5's which would make it even tougher that will shoot patterns of even 160 or better in a 10" at 40yds consistently I would personally like to see it for myself. Heck I would like to see a factory gun that has had no work to it shoot lead 6's with 150 shot consistently in a 10" at a true 40yds tape measured. I got the tape, the 10" glass cutout, and I got the range. All you need is to pm me and bring your gun and shells. Show-Me in person and I will come on here firsthand and say I seen it for myself.
No harm no foul. I just want to see it that's all.
Gonna have to agree with you ILIKEHEVI-13. I have been shooting the lead slinger for allot of years. Brownings, Rem 870's,1100's, Berettas, etc. Guns that have everything possible done to them that you can do. Polished barrels, polished forcing cones, etc.. Numerous chokes (Pure Gold, Kicks, Rhino, Hastings, Comp-in-choke, Primos, M.A.D,etc and just about every factory shell you could imagine in lead. I have not seen the numbers 150-170 at 40yds. For the first time i got 150's at 35 yds with 6's the other day going back to a shell i shot years ago 3/2/6. I have seen allot of guns patterned as well and i have never seen a leadslinger come close to what some of the guys on here are able to pull off. I know for sure after 35 years of patterning guns i will never be able to turn those numbers with lead 5's. I would just like to see it..
I hear of folks handloading shells with minimal amount of experience and all of a sudden their lead loads out perform and are more consistent than anything factories can produce. Something seems strange about that. Maybe im a little cynical but i have never seen what allot of people claim.
I hear ya. Same here. I'm the type of person that if I can do something and do it consistently and someone doubts me and wants to see it for themself I'm going to oblige especially if I know I can do it.
Seeing is believing! My Moss 835 shoots very good lead patterns and I do believe it shoots right with the best like I stated earlier. It won't shoot 150 10" patterns at 40yds consistently with any lead loads that I know of and believe me I have tried them all pretty much. But then again I'm not the one saying I can do it like some.
I'm still waiting for someone on here to be kind enough to show me their miracle lead shooter.
Quote from: mossy835 on June 02, 2011, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: bird on May 31, 2011, 09:25:58 AM
One thought runs through my mind is that I believe that lead will eventually become obsolete and any attempt to continue to pattern or use lead shells is a waste of time. Lead will become obsolete primarily because of 2 reasons. First being technology with the nontoxic loads and the ever increasing pressure that lead will eventually become banned as a shot shell component.
I have to agree with Bird the thought here was lead will always be around for us to shoot. That may be at the range and club shooting areas. But the reality out here is hunting areas are already being shut down on lead including some Police indoor ranges (full jacketed rounds only). It is a matter of time just like no lead in paint. I like the lower prices of lead also before you flame me but I am also glad there is a live and well performing alternative on the streets. I do wish the prices were better and that should happen with supply and demand in the future.
Finally.... Someone that understands what I was getting at.
Thank You
bird
Hey Hevi, I don't have time for a trip to Missouri, but I do have your miracle lead thrower!!! Do I have to go in the field and shoot 10 of these to prove consistence. LOL!!! Just believe me. I will never lie ya bro.
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc370/dirtholedaddy/th_pattern001.jpg) (http://s1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc370/dirtholedaddy/?action=view¤t=pattern001.jpg)
Quote from: ncmountainfella on June 02, 2011, 07:09:42 PM
Hey Hevi, I don't have time for a trip to Missouri, but I do have your miracle lead thrower!!! Do I have to go in the field and shoot 10 of these to prove consistence. LOL!!! Just believe me. I will never lie ya bro.
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc370/dirtholedaddy/th_pattern001.jpg) (http://s1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc370/dirtholedaddy/?action=view¤t=pattern001.jpg)
I'm sorry but I would like to see it for myself. Some may doubt the loads I post, and that is fine and I do understand. Like I said seeing is believing. I have shot those same loads in my 835. It won't come anywhere close to the 200 mark, but it will consistently beat a lot of great shooting guns. I don't claim it to be the best shooting gun out there, but it will put a many gun to shame on the patterning board that claims to be better.
Quote from: ncmountainfella on June 02, 2011, 07:09:42 PM
Hey Hevi, I don't have time for a trip to Missouri, but I do have your miracle lead thrower!!! Do I have to go in the field and shoot 10 of these to prove consistence. LOL!!! Just believe me. I will never lie ya bro.
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc370/dirtholedaddy/th_pattern001.jpg) (http://s1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc370/dirtholedaddy/?action=view¤t=pattern001.jpg)
The perfect storm...hang on to that gun..looks like a 30yd pattern in most lead slingers.
Quote from: Longshanks on June 02, 2011, 09:35:36 PM
Quote from: ncmountainfella on June 02, 2011, 07:09:42 PM
Hey Hevi, I don't have time for a trip to Missouri, but I do have your miracle lead thrower!!! Do I have to go in the field and shoot 10 of these to prove consistence. LOL!!! Just believe me. I will never lie ya bro.
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc370/dirtholedaddy/th_pattern001.jpg) (http://s1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc370/dirtholedaddy/?action=view¤t=pattern001.jpg)
The perfect storm...hang on to that gun..
I agree!
My guns or anybody elses don't have a prayer. Who needs Hevi-Shot?
Hey Hevi, I love my set up, but I couldn't put but 150 pellets in a 10" circle with a 3.5" Magnum Blend. My gun just wont shoot them. The pattern you posted with your 870, pure gold, and 3" hevi shot #7s was amazing! I would give an eye tooth to do that!
Well this has been my best 10" pattern so far. I shot one with the Pure Gold and the same lot# load on the very next shot after this one that was almost as good. The 835 will stack the 7's with a good lot number. This was lot 300325. Some may not believe those numbers. And that is fine. But I would be willing to show anyone that the 835 and the Star Dot choke will easily put 300 shot or more its fair share of times in a 10" circle at a tape measured 40yds with these loads. This is why I don't shoot lead. :lol:
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00593.jpg)
I have a older mossberg 835. My barrel length is 24". The choke is a pure gold choke with .670 restriction. Nothing done to barrel, just the trigger pull reduced to 3 lbs, which is nice with a tight turkey load.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on June 02, 2011, 10:34:09 PM
Well this has been my best 10" pattern so far. I shot one with the Pure Gold and the same lot# load on the very next shot after this one that was almost as good. The 835 will stack the 7's with a good lot number. This was lot 300325. Some may not believe those numbers. And that is fine. But I would be willing to show anyone that the 835 and the Star Dot choke will easily put 300 shot or more its fair share of times in a 10" circle at a tape measured 40yds with these loads. This is why I don't shoot lead. :lol:
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00593.jpg)
Dude! That is crazy AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is bad to the bone!!!! Dude!!
Quote from: ncmountainfella on June 02, 2011, 10:01:23 PM
Hey Hevi, I love my set up, but I couldn't put but 150 pellets in a 10" circle with a 3.5" Magnum Blend. My gun just wont shoot them. The pattern you posted with your 870, pure gold, and 3" hevi shot #7s was amazing! I would give an eye tooth to do that!
I think your referring to this one. That ain't bad for a 8.5"x11" piece of paper.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF0239_Medium_.jpg)
Man Hevi, That is Awesome! There is easily over 70 shot in the turkey head and neck!!!! Amazing!!!
Not bad Hal. But we are going to have to get those 20GA numbers up a bit. :z-guntootsmiley: :lol:
Quote from: 2ounce6s on June 03, 2011, 09:31:18 AM
Understood. I tried lead 3" #6s and 7.5s through it and wouldn't let him attempt any shots beyond 20 yards. Ended up with longbeards inside 30 yards three hunts! Finally had two jakes about to step in front of him at 15 yards but he moved and they busted us. Was just hoping to make the .410 a 25 or maybe 30 yard gun. Pardon my indiscretion for asking., just had to. ;D
Awesome site to see a young turkey hunter like that!! I have an old REM 11-48 410g automatic that i lugged around the woods with my dad when i was 6-8. Never shot a turkey with it but that gun holds some memories for me. Its a full choke barrel 24.5 in. Shoot squirrels with it now. Wish i had some ammo to help you out with..be a fine day to see that little man kill his first turkey!! If he hasnt already..
This turned out to be an interesting thread.
I've consistently gotten some nice even patterns with Win Sup HV Lead #5's. I wish the numbers were a little higher at 40 Yards, but at 35+ Yards the #5's are devastating. If I could consistently get 20 more pellets with Lead #6's, I'd lean that way, but the numbers are normally pretty close.
HTL still rocks.
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/sr5865/S4020722.jpg)
lead isn't dead by no means......Mossberg 835 .695 Undertaker choke with Winchester 3.5" HV #4's
125 hits at 40