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Title: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: chow hound on April 08, 2021, 05:46:09 PM
To me, it is a cool concept to hunt turkeys that behave differently in radically different environments like south FL, the Black Hills, the Appalacians and the hill country of Texas.  I really get that, but am amazed at the number of posts I read every year where the important thing seems to be bragging rights about the slam and not the experience itself.  "If I book with an outfitter and shoot a hybrid out of a cornfield that has white tail feathers and one with tan tail feathers then I just got a rio and a merriams."   I believe if someone stocked Osceola's on an island off the cost of ME and charged $400 to hunt there, people would flock there to complete their "slam" and would not care that they had no idea what it was like to truly hunt Osceolas.

To me this ends justifies means mentality just leads to super commercialization.  This is the same mentality that created high fence trophy deer operations and breeding deer with antlers so big they can barely lift their head.  To all of you pursuing a slam for the experience, best of luck.  As for me, I love hunting turkeys anywhere and everywhere, but you will never hear me talk about a slam.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: stinkpickle on April 08, 2021, 05:57:01 PM
I'm so anti-slam that I just shoot the same turkey four times.  ;)
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: Hobbes on April 08, 2021, 06:02:01 PM
There's so much out there "ruining our sport" right now that most of you really should just quit.  I know I'd have a lot better time hunting if I didn't have to run into any of you while chasing my slam on Kodiak island while avoiding brown bear.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: Meleagris gallopavo on April 08, 2021, 06:24:03 PM
The slam has been around a long time.  We only see the results more now because of social media.  I'm satisfied to kill birds within 30 minutes of the house because: a) I hate traveling in general; b) I don't like spending money on those types of things; and c) I still haven't figured out birds within 30 minutes of home enough to get bored with hunting them yet.  To me spring gobbler season is almost like an event I get excited about every year like a kid does with Christmas and that's enough for me.


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Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: mtns2hunt on April 08, 2021, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: chow hound on April 08, 2021, 05:46:09 PM
To me, it is a cool concept to hunt turkeys that behave differently in radically different environments like south FL, the Black Hills, the Appalacians and the hill country of Texas.  I really get that, but am amazed at the number of posts I read every year where the important thing seems to be bragging rights about the slam and not the experience itself.  "If I book with an outfitter and shoot a hybrid out of a cornfield that has white tail feathers and one with tan tail feathers then I just got a rio and a merriams."   I believe if someone stocked Osceola's on an island off the cost of ME and charged $400 to hunt there, people would flock there to complete their "slam" and would not care that they had no idea what it was like to truly hunt Osceolas.

To me this ends justifies means mentality just leads to super commercialization.  This is the same mentality that created high fence trophy deer operations and breeding deer with antlers so big they can barely lift their head.  To all of you pursuing a slam for the experience, best of luck.  As for me, I love hunting turkeys anywhere and everywhere, but you will never hear me talk about a slam.

The old Monk once said ""You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time." Or so said the fifteenth-century monk and poet, John Lydgate.""

While I am sure some are mostly looking for bragging rights they probably fade away quickly. Most turkey hunters put a lot of time and energy into their sport. Hunting different sub speices in strange and exotic places is only natural. I like to travel, I like different foods and generally people all the while doing something I love to do. I have traveled for deer, turkey, Mtn lion, Elk plus fishing in several countries. Its fun. But I also hunt hard in my home state and some surrounding states. It is clear on this forum that many others also enjoy all aspects of the sport. As stated earlier Social Media has a large influence and it is not all positive. I also beleive that each individual takes away something different from thir hunting experience. What right does another have to infring on their enjoyment.  :z-twocents:
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: fallhnt on April 08, 2021, 07:08:25 PM
The only reason I haven't ruined our sport is total lack of interest to hunt Florida.

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Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: Fieldturkey on April 08, 2021, 08:03:10 PM
I see the appeal but Florida doesn't interest me at all. I'll probably never complete my slam because of that.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: WV Flopper on April 08, 2021, 08:06:43 PM
 I feel dumber for reading this.

To each there own.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: turkeyfool on April 08, 2021, 08:09:02 PM
Completely agree. If I do hunt Florida, it'll be right over the Alabama or Georgia line where I think the terrain would be neat to hunt. Could care less that it's not an Osceola. I just like traveling to different states and seeing new parts of the country. Turkey hunting gives me an excuse to do it every year
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: SD_smith on April 08, 2021, 08:20:02 PM
Negative people are ruining the sport...


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Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: Wvdanimal on April 08, 2021, 08:21:00 PM
I totally disagree.  I think it is just a matter of 2 categories of hunters,  neither of them wrong. Prime example:  I'm so anxious for Florida every year I can barely stand it. On my place, we shoot turkeys, hogs, rabbits,  coons, possums and catch monster bass somewhere in between! Somewhere in the mix we get on the boat get hammered on a sandbar where it's just a big party. Tie that in w going to the beach weather permitting, lake Okeechobee spec fishing,  thrashing palmettos on a swamp buggy. Now THAT is the Florida experience.   Now picture my relative who jumped on a jet to Florida, outfitter took him to the ranch, killed his Osceola  then back on the flight home.  He was happy and had no desire to do anything else in Florida.   LAME!  Just difference in what you prefer. ?
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: bbcoach on April 08, 2021, 08:35:30 PM
Everybody has an opinion so here's mine.  I disagree with your assessment.  Some may use it as BRAGGING rights but you are lumping everyone that has a SLAM into that assessment.  I have my Slam but for me, it was about the total experience, the travel, hunting different states and Most Important about the fellowship of my friends and people I met and traveled with along the way.  Florida (killed a bird in shorts and t-shirt VERY MEMORABLE HUNT), Kansas and hunting Merriam's in 6 inches of snow was Fantastic.  Every aspect of these hunts had Wonderful Memories, that I will hold on to for the rest of my life.  NO BRAGGING, Just FUN! 
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: Gooserbat on April 08, 2021, 08:41:44 PM
Well it took me 28 years and over 100 turkeys to get my slam.  I'd do it again.  I'm on to trying for a US Slam... Because I enjoy the new places.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: Crghss on April 08, 2021, 09:28:15 PM
People bragging on the internet ruins nothing.

I'll get the slam someday because I like to travel and hunt.

It's about all the things I do in addition to the hunt. Fishing, eating new foods, meeting people. Its the experience not the kill.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: Yoder409 on April 08, 2021, 09:33:19 PM
Quote from: bbcoach on April 08, 2021, 08:35:30 PM
Everybody has an opinion so here's mine.  I disagree with your assessment.  Some may use it as BRAGGING rights but you are lumping everyone that has a SLAM into that assessment.  I have my Slam but for me, it was about the total experience, the travel, hunting different states and Most Important about the fellowship of my friends and people I met and traveled with along the way.  Florida (killed a bird in shorts and t-shirt VERY MEMORABLE HUNT), Kansas and hunting Merriam's in 6 inches of snow was Fantastic.  Every aspect of these hunts had Wonderful Memories, that I will hold on to for the rest of my life.  NO BRAGGING, Just FUN!

This is much like me.

Never was a slam chaser.   I just love travelling........ hunting different birds in different terrains.   Technically, I have taken 2 Royal Slams.    Officially, I have never registered a single bird nor will I.    At this point in my turkey hunting journey, I have exact NOTHING to prove to anyone but myself.   

YMMV
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: SD_smith on April 08, 2021, 09:37:12 PM
Quote from: Yoder409 on April 08, 2021, 09:33:19 PM
Quote from: bbcoach on April 08, 2021, 08:35:30 PM
Everybody has an opinion so here's mine.  I disagree with your assessment.  Some may use it as BRAGGING rights but you are lumping everyone that has a SLAM into that assessment.  I have my Slam but for me, it was about the total experience, the travel, hunting different states and Most Important about the fellowship of my friends and people I met and traveled with along the way.  Florida (killed a bird in shorts and t-shirt VERY MEMORABLE HUNT), Kansas and hunting Merriam's in 6 inches of snow was Fantastic.  Every aspect of these hunts had Wonderful Memories, that I will hold on to for the rest of my life.  NO BRAGGING, Just FUN!

This is much like me.

Never was a slam chaser.   I just love travelling........ hunting different birds in different terrains.   Technically, I have taken 2 Royal Slams.    Officially, I have never registered a single bird nor will I.    At this point in my turkey hunting journey, I have exact NOTHING to prove to anyone but myself.   

YMMV
The journey is the reward.

I will say I was excited for the finish of my first slam. To me it was just the culmination of so much time, effort, and learning put together and that was the result. Now, I just go where it pleases me regardless of the subspecies.


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Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: Ross R on April 08, 2021, 09:37:34 PM
I will hopefully get it eventually. I love being in South Florida and hunting the swamps but I would love to hunt them out west eventually in a total different terrain.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: CAPTJJ on April 08, 2021, 10:06:45 PM
Sorry for being part of ruining the sport. Never registered any toms but sure have had fun travelling and hunting them in different areas. May have bragged a little but I am sure proud of the achievements.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: Howie g on April 08, 2021, 10:23:26 PM
Dang ,,, and all this time I thought it was the Democratic Party and decoys ruining our sport !!
   
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: Yoder409 on April 08, 2021, 10:33:43 PM
Quote from: SD_smith on April 08, 2021, 09:37:12 PM

The journey is the reward.



^^^^^

This.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: J Lacey on April 08, 2021, 10:49:35 PM
I did em for myself as a personal goal and accomplishment. Nothing more. Great way to explore the country we live in.  Made lifelong friendships because of it.  Plenty of stuff to complain about these days other than how another chooses to do his own little deal.
  My current goal is to kill a bird in every state featured in the movie lonesome dove. My lonesome dove slam.  I got most of em marked off.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: chow hound on April 08, 2021, 11:10:03 PM
Let me say it a different way.  If there wasn't something called a grand slam being hyped in every corner of social media, Osceola turkey hunts wouldn't cost $2000 and kids growing up in FL would have more places to be introduced to the sport.  The concept is great, but the reality is that it is just commercializing turkey hunting which leads to less access.  You can't recruit new hunters if the cost of entry into the sport is high.  You see it in the popular Merriams areas where everything is leased up and not many years ago access was as simple as knocking on doors.  Because of more and more people pursuing the US slam, I bet you will see more and more land leased in states where no one would ever travel to for turkey hunting outside of the slam (like CT).

Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: Hobbes on April 08, 2021, 11:13:54 PM
If someone can't find a Merriam's to hunt, they are looking in the wrong places.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: compton30 on April 09, 2021, 02:04:05 AM
Yeah you've just lost me with this one.

Do you have to work harder or pay more money to go kill an Osceola because of the Grand Slam? Sure, but whether the Grand Slam ever came to exist or not, once they were given their own subspecies designation, there was always going to be a supply and demand issue due to their scarcity vs the other subspecies. Is it RUINING the sport? Obviously not.

The cost of entry is too high? What? Just because I happen to have nice hunting gear doesn't mean it's an absolute necessity to go hunting. I could go buy a gun, shells, camo, boots, and a call for under $500. Would it be the best? Again, obviously not, but would I be equipped to kill a turkey? Absolutely.

This entire argument seems based in emotion, rather than facts, so I'd like to add some speculation of my own. I bet less than 1% of Turkey hunters even know what the US Super Slam is, let alone are pursuing it at a rate that would cause massive amounts of landowners to lock out hunters nagging for access.

You also can't blame people for realizing they have a desired commodity that they can make money off if they charge people to hunt their land. Sure it sucks to have to pay for something that used to be free. And if you don't wanna pay for it, you don't have to! But you're going to have to work harder than the people that can pay for it, as their are surely more who can't or won't.

There are things out there that could certainly ruin turkey hunting. The Grand Slam is not one of them.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: joey46 on April 09, 2021, 05:47:10 AM
Years ago, on a now defunct forum, this was discussed and turned into a real pissin' match when it was suggested that there is a BIG difference in types of "slams".  It was suggested a slam taken on public land may be worth bragging about while one taken while being led around by a guide on private land maybe not so much.  I get the point.  Given unlimited time and unlimited $$$ I think an annual slam is doable for just about anyone.  I've chased these big birds since the 1970s and crossed the Eastern and Osceola off my public land " slam list".   Two down and two to go. I know there is almost zero chance for a public land American Goulds so that's a write off for me.  I'll hope to keep at it and for those that pull it off more power to you.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: ChesterCopperpot on April 09, 2021, 06:28:12 AM
What kind of slam is it if you kill a bird in every county of your home state?


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Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: eggshell on April 09, 2021, 06:38:08 AM
Quote from: Yoder409 on April 08, 2021, 09:33:19 PM
Quote from: bbcoach on April 08, 2021, 08:35:30 PM
Everybody has an opinion so here's mine.  I disagree with your assessment.  Some may use it as BRAGGING rights but you are lumping everyone that has a SLAM into that assessment.  I have my Slam but for me, it was about the total experience, the travel, hunting different states and Most Important about the fellowship of my friends and people I met and traveled with along the way.  Florida (killed a bird in shorts and t-shirt VERY MEMORABLE HUNT), Kansas and hunting Merriam's in 6 inches of snow was Fantastic.  Every aspect of these hunts had Wonderful Memories, that I will hold on to for the rest of my life.  NO BRAGGING, Just FUN!

This is much like me.

Never was a slam chaser.   I just love travelling........ hunting different birds in different terrains.   Technically, I have taken 2 Royal Slams.    Officially, I have never registered a single bird nor will I.    At this point in my turkey hunting journey, I have exact NOTHING to prove to anyone but myself.   

YMMV

I agree, I have one slam and I enjoyed all the experiences and places a lot. They are some of my favorite memories in 48 years of turkey hunting. I believe the NWTF started this when they started keeping records on scores. I am with you I have never registered a bird and don't intend to.  I think there are a lot of record birds out there that were never registered, I know of one. I like trying new places and birds, it's more hunting. I don't have any problem with the social media posters, they are the same ones that took their birds to local bait shops and gun stores to get pictures on the bulletin boards before the internet. If it makes you happy then good for you. I know some good guys that like to brag and post pics, and I know some idiots that couldn't kill a cricket and still brag. An idiot slob is who he is because of how he treats others and the sport, you can't lump everyone who likes to take on a challenge as an idiot, ruining the sport. Actually, my attitude towards the social media posters and videographers has tempered some after discussions here. I have determined I'd probably enjoy hunting with some of them. I used to think they were all slobs....sometimes we're just wrong
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: RED NECK on April 09, 2021, 06:46:48 AM
No,I don't believe ethical turkey hunters that have a goal is ruining turkey hunting but I do believe that trespassers,poachers and thieves are a  stain on all hunting and we need to weed that trash out and report them every time.

Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: mtns2hunt on April 09, 2021, 08:27:01 AM
Quote from: bbcoach on April 08, 2021, 08:35:30 PM
Everybody has an opinion so here's mine.  I disagree with your assessment.  Some may use it as BRAGGING rights but you are lumping everyone that has a SLAM into that assessment.  I have my Slam but for me, it was about the total experience, the travel, hunting different states and Most Important about the fellowship of my friends and people I met and traveled with along the way.  Florida (killed a bird in shorts and t-shirt VERY MEMORABLE HUNT), Kansas and hunting Merriam's in 6 inches of snow was Fantastic.  Every aspect of these hunts had Wonderful Memories, that I will hold on to for the rest of my life.  NO BRAGGING, Just FUN!

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Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: RutnNStrutn on April 09, 2021, 08:41:49 AM
Quote from: Hobbes on April 08, 2021, 06:02:01 PM
There's so much out there "ruining our sport" right now that most of you really should just quit.  I know I'd have a lot better time hunting if I didn't have to run into any of you while chasing my slam on Kodiak island while avoiding brown bear.


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Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: RutnNStrutn on April 09, 2021, 08:43:14 AM
Quote from: WV Flopper on April 08, 2021, 08:06:43 PM
I feel dumber for reading this.

To each there own.


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Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: RutnNStrutn on April 09, 2021, 08:45:42 AM
Quote from: bbcoach on April 08, 2021, 08:35:30 PM
Everybody has an opinion so here's mine.  I disagree with your assessment.  Some may use it as BRAGGING rights but you are lumping everyone that has a SLAM into that assessment.  I have my Slam but for me, it was about the total experience, the travel, hunting different states and Most Important about the fellowship of my friends and people I met and traveled with along the way.  Florida (killed a bird in shorts and t-shirt VERY MEMORABLE HUNT), Kansas and hunting Merriam's in 6 inches of snow was Fantastic.  Every aspect of these hunts had Wonderful Memories, that I will hold on to for the rest of my life.  NO BRAGGING, Just FUN!
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Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: sswv on April 09, 2021, 08:46:11 AM
I was in the Hunting & Fishing business for a tick over 20 years. That experience alone taught me that there are two types of hunters. You have the "be like Mike" crowd and the hunters that just have a pure true love for the outdoors and hunting in general. Both types have that slam or record book in the back of their minds. One crowd will do whatever at any cost to get to their goal mostly for bragging rights while the other side are hunting under waaay less pressure and having a lot more fun doing it.  From a guiding standpoint the "be like Mike" crowd was always after the biggest of big at any cost and come into the hunt already under extreme personal pressure to succeed while the other crowd were more relaxed and there for a great experience and hopefully a good animal at the end of the hunt. From a business standpoint I made a lot more money from the "be like Mike" crowd but I sure had a LOT more fun with the more relaxed hunters.  Now with that all being said.....I myself was in the "be like Mike" crowd several years back and have a lot of trophy animal mounts to prove it but when it become more pressure to put a trophy down than fun, I decided all the trophies in the world wasn't worth the hassle so for the last 25-30 years I've been having fun and keeping the freezer full.  Looking back I'm actually glad I personally experienced both sides but now-a-days I'm in it for the freezer, the fun and the memories now.  I do not look down or have harsh things to say about the "be like Mike" crowd but I promise the more relaxed crowd is having more fun.

now for the rest of the story....Personally, I feel paid TV hunters have put negative pressure on young hunters to be like them and done more damage to the sport than any anti-hunting group ever could.  just my 2cents.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: mtns2hunt on April 09, 2021, 09:02:10 AM
Quote from: sswv on April 09, 2021, 08:46:11 AM
I was in the Hunting & Fishing business for a tick over 20 years. That experience alone taught me that there are two types of hunters. You have the "be like Mike" crowd and the hunters that just have a pure true love for the outdoors and hunting in general. Both types have that slam or record book in the back of their minds. One crowd will do whatever at any cost to get to their goal mostly for bragging rights while the other side are hunting under waaay less pressure and having a lot more fun doing it.  From a guiding standpoint the "be like Mike" crowd was always after the biggest of big at any cost and come into the hunt already under extreme personal pressure to succeed while the other crowd were more relaxed and there for a great experience and hopefully a good animal at the end of the hunt. From a business standpoint I made a lot more money from the "be like Mike" crowd but I sure had a LOT more fun with the more relaxed hunters.  Now with that all being said.....I myself was in the "be like Mike" crowd several years back and have a lot of trophy animal mounts to prove it but when it become more pressure to put a trophy down than fun, I decided all the trophies in the world wasn't worth the hassle so for the last 25-30 years I've been having fun and keeping the freezer full.  Looking back I'm actually glad I personally experienced both sides but now-a-days I'm in it for the freezer, the fun and the memories now.  I do not look down or have harsh things to say about the "be like Mike" crowd but I promise the more relaxed crowd is having more fun.

now for the rest of the story....Personally, I feel paid TV hunters have put negative pressure on young hunters to be like them and done more damage to the sport than any anti-hunting group ever could.  just my 2cents.

You make some good points. Do you not feel that as a hunter matures he transitions from a "be like Mike" to the more relaxed hunter after acheiving a degree of success? It is tough for a beginning hunter to achive success when first starting out. I remember banging away at an old slate call back in the 70's with no idea what I was doing. I hunted harder with way less success than I do now. It was not untill a buddy that was extremly accomplished took my under his wing that the light came on.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: RutnNStrutn on April 09, 2021, 09:05:17 AM
I too would disagree. The quest for a Slam doesn't ruin the sport. It does however drive up the cost of the hard to get birds, especially Osceolas. I grew up in FLA and cut my turkey hunting teeth on mainly public land Osceolas. Over the years I've watched the price of an outfitter hunt go up to $2500 for one bird, the ability to get drawn for a decent WMA hunt dwindle, and the cost of private land leases skyrocket due to Osceola outfitters.
I've got my Slam and this year I'm going on a Goulds hunt in Mexico for a Royal Slam. I have absolutely zero interest in an occelated.
I love traveling to hunt turkeys. I've killed birds in 9 of the 12 states that I've hunted so far. This year I'm adding Texas and Mexico. Next year I'm adding Tennessee, SD and Wyoming.
I hope to kill a gobbler in all of the lower 48 states and Mexico before I die. I love traveling and I love hunting gobblers. If I happen to get several Slams along the way, even better. But that's not why I do it. I do it because I love turkey hunting.

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Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: RutnNStrutn on April 09, 2021, 09:13:36 AM


Quote from: sswv on April 09, 2021, 08:46:11 AM
Personally, I feel paid TV hunters have put negative pressure on young hunters to be like them and done more damage to the sport than any anti-hunting group ever could.  just my 2cents.

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Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: eggshell on April 09, 2021, 09:13:51 AM
For some of the "be like Mike" crowd they are after validation. I have known several and for most their outward displays are cover for a sense of low self esteem and it's actually validation to get recognition. If they pursue turkey hunting with the attitude they always have  to show they are on top, then most likely that is how they are in other of life's pursuits. This can elevate a man's success or hurt it. I find the most successful are the relaxed and comfortable, but the truly successful (the be mike crowd and the relaxed crowd alike)  have one thing in common, they are willing to work hard to obtain their goals. I respect anyone who will put in the work, what he does with the success or lack of is a character issue that extends beyond turkey hunting. In Hillbilly language, An a$sshole is always an As$hole, period.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: MISSISSIPPI Double beard on April 09, 2021, 11:53:30 AM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on April 09, 2021, 06:28:12 AM
What kind of slam is it if you kill a bird in every county of your home state?


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I dont know but I'm trying to do that here in Miss. I probably will never achieve the goal but it will be fun trying.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: mightyjoeyoung on April 09, 2021, 01:26:18 PM
Quote from: Meleagris gallopavo on April 08, 2021, 06:24:03 PM
The slam has been around a long time.  We only see the results more now because of social media.  I'm satisfied to kill birds within 30 minutes of the house because: a) I hate traveling in general; b) I don't like spending money on those types of things; and c) I still haven't figured out birds within 30 minutes of home enough to get bored with hunting them yet.  To me spring gobbler season is almost like an event I get excited about every year like a kid does with Christmas and that's enough for me.


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To quote Will Ferrell in Step Brothers:  "Dis we just become best friends"?! 
This-THIS is the best response I've read on hear in a looking time.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: Gooserbat on April 09, 2021, 06:06:47 PM
I'm up to 2/4 for the year. 
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: tha bugman on April 09, 2021, 06:22:47 PM
Shot my slam years ago.  Only did it once and that's all I ever want to do.  To each his own.


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Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: guesswho on April 09, 2021, 07:00:00 PM
I've hunted them over 50 years and have zero slams.   Nothing against them at all, it's just never been on my bucket list.   If and when I ever kill a Rio I guess I can say I did it.   But more than likely I won't say it and will just start looking for the next turkey wherever I get the chance.   Starting a conversation with me by telling me how many slams you have or how many turkeys you've killed or seen die is about the least impressive thing you can tell me.   
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: turkeyfool on April 09, 2021, 08:26:01 PM
Considering Mississippi is the worst state I've hunted yet (and I would think has to be in the top 5 as far as difficulty) I'd be WAY more impressed by someone who could fill a tag in every county. I can't even shoot one here in back to back years
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: Yoder409 on April 09, 2021, 08:39:51 PM
Quote from: guesswho on April 09, 2021, 07:00:00 PMStarting a conversation with me by telling me how many slams you have or how many turkeys you've killed or seen die is about the least impressive thing you can tell me.

Haha !!!!  Same here.  I call em "turkey counters".  They walk up and start a conversation by telling you the number of turkeys they've killed then ask how many you've killed.    :TooFunny:

Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: mtns2hunt on April 09, 2021, 10:36:37 PM
Quote from: guesswho on April 09, 2021, 07:00:00 PM
I've hunted them over 50 years and have zero slams.   Nothing against them at all, it's just never been on my bucket list.   If and when I ever kill a Rio I guess I can say I did it.   But more than likely I won't say it and will just start looking for the next turkey wherever I get the chance.   Starting a conversation with me by telling me how many slams you have or how many turkeys you've killed or seen die is about the least impressive thing you can tell me.

Slam or no slam hunting Rio's is a real blast. Highly recommend!
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: Ctrize on April 10, 2021, 06:33:44 AM
Whether we like it or not turkey hunting at one time had to be promoted and one way to do that was to create a challenge. Most hunters I know will take on a challenge in the form of hunting, it adds to the hunt. The SLAM is one way of challenging hunters and the NWTF promoted or at least keeps track it to create excitement in the sport. The SLAM was a challenge for me and the good thing about it is you can make it as though or easy as you like. Public land, bow, muzzleloader, single year or as I did what I called a slow slam. It's a great way to learn turkey habits, habitat, and see some great country. I don't profess to be a great hunter because of a slam but it has made me an efficient hunter by learning as I went. Not to mention the crazy number of encounters with wild animals not native to my home state of Michigan.
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: guesswho on April 10, 2021, 08:35:59 AM
Quote from: mtns2hunt on April 09, 2021, 10:36:37 PM
Slam or no slam hunting Rio's is a real blast. Highly recommend!
I bet it is.   And I will probably find out at some point.   
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: GobbleNut on April 10, 2021, 08:53:09 AM
I suppose whether or not the sport of spring gobbler hunting is being "ruined", and the reason for that, is debatable.  There are no doubt places in this country where the quality of the hunting experience,...not to mention the quantity of birds available,...has suffered due to the ever-increasing interest by turkey hunters to expand their hunting horizons. 

For me, that interest is totally a result of the bird itself.  That is, of all the species of game I have hunted, spring gobbler hunting is the most enjoyable.  Wild turkeys are the ONLY species of game that I will gladly travel across the country to hunt, PERIOD.  I hunt other big game animals with a passion at other times of the year, but none of them have the "grip" on me that hunting gobblers in the spring of the year does.  If you really want to identify the bottom-line reason why spring gobbler hunting might be getting "ruined", look no further than the bird itself. 

Now, recognizing there are problem areas that have been "ruined",...and the likelihood that there will be more of that in the future,...the real question is how do we resolve it?  One of the most obvious solutions is to standardize hunting dates across the board.

Excluding Florida (and the Osceola) from this discussion, the state most often mentioned is Mississippi.  The ONLY reason Mississippi is being inundated with hunters each spring is simple because it opens up first. Spring gobbler hunters are anxious to get going each spring asap,...Mississippi (and Florida) open up first. Somebody connect the dots here, people!

The solution is so obviously simple as to make a wild turkey manager say "duuuhhhh"!  Just move the damn starting date back so that you are not the first and only state to be hunting at that time for gawds sake!! 

The fact that the entire tier of southern states have not all huddled up and said,..."hmmmm, we can solve this problem by just all of us agreeing to start our season on the same date every year",...just absolutely floors me. 

But enough for now.....   ;D
Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: RutnNStrutn on April 10, 2021, 10:53:28 AM


Quote from: guesswho on April 09, 2021, 07:00:00 PM
telling me how many slams you have or how many turkeys you've killed or seen die is about the least impressive thing you can tell me.
Ronnie my friend, I would never even attempt to try to impress you. You've killed more gobblers than most anyone I know, and the amount of multi-beards you've killed is ridiculous. Guys like you and Dave have "IT", whatever it is. You guys have the knack of walking in to the woods and tripping over turkeys.
Some guys have "it", but most guys don't, and likely never will.
When I talk about killing a bird, or getting a Slam, I'm not trying to brag or impress anyone. I just share my stories and hope that some of the guys on the forum will enjoy them, and laugh with me, or at me. Just like I enjoy and laugh at other guys' stories. Why be on a forum if you're not going to share? ???
I'd wish you luck the rest of the season, but unlike me and most guys I know,  you don't need luck. You've already got "it".

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

Title: Re: Slams are ruining our sport
Post by: Greg Massey on April 10, 2021, 10:58:56 AM
In my opinion Covid this pass year has caused more problems with turkeys and hunters than slams. With the amount of people just going turkey hunting to get out of the house.. I think this has caused some states this pass year to change bag limited etc...