Been looking for some DurationTM Permethrin 10% Concentrate on Amazon with no luck. Where is everyone buying theirs? I want to buy a brand that I am sure is safe and most places have so many different brands and concentrations I am not sure which to purchase. If I have to I will use Sawyers agian but would like to try DurationTM Permethrin 10% Concentrate. Thanks
Whats wrong with sawyers?
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Martins 10% Permethrin. Plenty on Ebay. 1 oz to 20 oz of water and spray away.
Quote from: BigSlam51 on March 11, 2021, 06:06:37 AM
Whats wrong with sawyers?
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Nothing wrong with Sawyers but I spend a lot of time hunting, biking, hiking and cutting wood. Sawyers is expensive over the long haul.
Quote from: bbcoach on March 11, 2021, 06:20:53 AM
Martins 10% Permethrin. Plenty on Ebay. 1 oz to 20 oz of water and spray away.
Thank you, never thought about e-bay. I'll try the Martins.
Tractor supply is where I get mine.
I mix my own with Martins and you get a few years supply at the same price of a bottle of sawyers. I bought the Martins from EBay in 2018 and still have lots left.
Thanks everyone for your replies. Just ordered some Martins. FYI: I was once diagnosed with Lymes and spent a couple weeks getting IV antibiotics. Definatly do not care to go through that agian but at least I have no side effects. Stay safe and good luck this season. Seen a very nice Gobbler yesterday in a field and one not so fortunate in the middle of the road so its heating up.
I hunt in a high tick area in southern VT and have been spraying all hunting clothes, including wool, with Sawyer's Permethrin. Have not had a tick on me ever since. I get the 24 ounce bottles.
A friend of mine mixed his own version of permethrin for him and his wife. They were hunting at my camp with us a few years back. He came in camp with a few ticks on him. One got on the couch and eventually bit my GF. Luckily she didn't get Lyme disease. I'm a firm believer in Sawyer's and applying per the directions.
Check eBay, that's where I got mine.
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I got the Martins Permethrin 10% off eBay and it worked well this past deer season, so plan to keep using for turkey season.
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Quote from: Muzzy61 on March 11, 2021, 08:25:46 AM
Tractor supply is where I get mine.
X2 Tractor Supply and Rural King
Several say Sawyers. It is readily available at Wally World for about $10 and short term (Spring turkey season) it is GREAT. But as 2hunt said, if you and the family spend time in the outdoors grab a pint or quart of 10% and share it with your buddies. Cheaper that way and lets you spread the protection around to others.
Ticks aren't anything to mess with. When you head into the woods this spring, spray your clothes down. Don't tell yourself, "I won't get any ticks!" If you get Lyme or Rocky Mountain Spotted fever, you will wish you had sprayed down. Permethrin does deter mosquitoes as well. Don't roll the dice, get it and use it!
I used the Duration brand stuff then switched to this stuff that I get from Amazon. The Duration is really expensive compared to the Martins. About the only difference is the Duration is approved for use on clothes and stuff.
Directions says to mix 1oz to 19oz water. I mix mine a touch heavier...1oz to 18oz water. I haven't found a tick on me or my clothes since I started using it about 8-9 yrs ago.
Quote from: Bob G. on March 11, 2021, 10:46:46 AM
I hunt in a high tick area in southern VT and have been spraying all hunting clothes, including wool, with Sawyer's Permethrin. Have not had a tick on me ever since. I get the 24 ounce bottles.
A friend of mine mixed his own version of permethrin for him and his wife. They were hunting at my camp with us a few years back. He came in camp with a few ticks on him. One got on the couch and eventually bit my GF. Luckily she didn't get Lyme disease. I'm a firm believer in Sawyer's and applying per the directions.
Martin's came in, mixed some up and hit the woods the next day. Had parked my truck in the road to hang a camera and when I climbed back in noticed two ticks crawing up my leg (I often wear kaki so easy to see.) I had just walked theough some tall grass next to the truck. Those ticks made it all of 6 inches before slowing up and falling off. Stuff really works.
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 22, 2021, 09:19:36 PM
Quote from: Bob G. on March 11, 2021, 10:46:46 AM
I hunt in a high tick area in southern VT and have been spraying all hunting clothes, including wool, with Sawyer's Permethrin. Have not had a tick on me ever since. I get the 24 ounce bottle
A friend of mine mixed his own version of permethrin for him and his wife. They were hunting at my camp with us a few years back. He came in camp with a few ticks on him. One got on the couch and eventually bit my GF. Luckily she didn't get Lyme disease. I'm a firm believer in Sawyer's and applying per the directions.
Martin's came in, mixed some up and hit the woods the next day. Had parked my truck in the road to hang a camera and when I climbed back in noticed two ticks crawing up my leg (I often wear kaki so easy to see.) I had just walked theough some tall grass next to the truck. Those ticks made it all of 6 inches before slowing up and falling off. Stuff really works.
Good deal. I've been using the Martin's for 4 years now and mix it a little
stronger than Sawyer's. I use 1oz of Martins to about 16-17oz of water.
Haven't had a tick on me in 4 years.
Buy the strongest concentrate you can get and dilute it down to 0.5 to 0.75%. I prefer to actually mix up a gallon of the dilute and completely soak my clothing in it, then wring it out and air dry.
Stuff is phenomenal used like that. Never got a single tick on me last year with just over 160 miles hiked in the turkey woods.
Mosquitoes in the swamps would bite through my shirt, but didn't hold on to create a huge whelp, just a little bump before they died or left. I'd still use DEET to keep some of the mosquitoes away.
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Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 22, 2021, 09:19:36 PM
Quote from: Bob G. on March 11, 2021, 10:46:46 AM
I hunt in a high tick area in southern VT and have been spraying all hunting clothes, including wool, with Sawyer's Permethrin. Have not had a tick on me ever since. I get the 24 ounce bottles.
A friend of mine mixed his own version of permethrin for him and his wife. They were hunting at my camp with us a few years back. He came in camp with a few ticks on him. One got on the couch and eventually bit my GF. Luckily she didn't get Lyme disease. I'm a firm believer in Sawyer's and applying per the directions.
Martin's came in, mixed some up and hit the woods the next day. Had parked my truck in the road to hang a camera and when I climbed back in noticed two ticks crawing up my leg (I often wear kaki so easy to see.) I had just walked theough some tall grass next to the truck. Those ticks made it all of 6 inches before slowing up and falling off. Stuff really works.
When 1st started using the stuff I seen a tick on the ground. Picked it up and put on my pants leg. That thing couldn't roll of fast enough. Said to self No way that thing just fell off. Picked up again put on pants same result. Went morel hunting that afternoon with just sweats and ant shirt. My brother and I were standing in the road naked pulling ticks off each other. Turkey gear was treated sweats were not.
I was sold. Never go into woods with out it applied to clothing.
Make sure you tuck your pants into your boots and spray your gloves.
Just a word of advise...Permethrin can been deadly to cats, especially when wet.
Permethrin sprayed on your clothes does not keep the ticks from getting on your clothing but they won't be there VERY LONG. Permethrin is a neuro toxin which effects the nervous system. When they come in contact with the fabric, they will fall off VERY QUICKLY. Hang ALL of your hunting clothes outside (hats, gloves, socks and boots included) and liberally apply, let dry and you'll be good for about a month. Keep some in your vehicle and touch up everything as needed.
Quote from: bbcoach on March 23, 2021, 07:59:56 AM
Permethrin sprayed on your clothes does not keep the ticks from getting on your clothing but they won't be there VERY LONG. Permethrin is a neuro toxin which effects the nervous system. When they come in contact with the fabric, they will fall off VERY QUICKLY. Hang ALL of your hunting clothes outside (hats, gloves, socks and boots included) and liberally apply, let dry and you'll be good for about a month. Keep some in your vehicle and touch up everything as needed.
I tested the stuff the first year I used it. About a week after I applied it
I found 2 ticks on my dog. I laid the pant leg horizontal and dropped the
2 ticks onto the fabric. They both crawled less than one inch and then
looked like they were drunk. After about one minute they were barely
moving and within a few minutes they were dead.
If these had gotten on my pants while walking they probably couldn't
have held on for 30 seconds before falling off.
That sold me on the stuff.
I use the 10% Martin's at a rate of 2 oz./1 gallon of water, heavily spraying all clothes, boots, socks, until they are very wet. When I get out of my truck and before heading to my turkey spot, I spray my boots, pant legs, etc. with Sawyer's as a second precaution. Having done this, I may experience a tick every other year, but then again it could be a chigger that's itching. Don't forget to spray your turkey seat as well as decoys, bag, camo blind, etc. anything that you will carry to and from your truck. Also, when cleaning your turkey realize that the bird is probably crawling with tiny deer ticks, so be cautious and don't bring the fan, wings, etc. into the house until it's been outside for several days.
Quote from: TRG3 on March 23, 2021, 10:12:33 AM
Don't forget to spray your turkey seat as well as decoys, bag, camo blind, etc. anything that you will carry to and from your truck. Also, when cleaning your turkey realize that the bird is probably crawling with tiny deer ticks, so be cautious and don't bring the fan, wings, etc. into the house until it's been outside for several days.
That's good advice. Never thought about spraying my decoy bag or blind.
Quote from: TRG3 on March 23, 2021, 10:12:33 AM
I use the 10% Martin's at a rate of 2 oz./1 gallon of water, heavily spraying all clothes, boots, socks, until they are very wet. When I get out of my truck and before heading to my turkey spot, I spray my boots, pant legs, etc. with Sawyer's as a second precaution. Having done this, I may experience a tick every other year, but then again it could be a chigger that's itching. Don't forget to spray your turkey seat as well as decoys, bag, camo blind, etc. anything that you will carry to and from your truck. Also, when cleaning your turkey realize that the bird is probably crawling with tiny deer ticks, so be cautious and don't bring the fan, wings, etc. into the house until it's been outside for several days.
You're making it too weak. It should be 2oz to 40oz of water.
Quote from: Jimspur on March 23, 2021, 01:17:06 PM
Quote from: TRG3 on March 23, 2021, 10:12:33 AM
I use the 10% Martin's at a rate of 2 oz./1 gallon of water, heavily spraying all clothes, boots, socks, until they are very wet. When I get out of my truck and before heading to my turkey spot, I spray my boots, pant legs, etc. with Sawyer's as a second precaution. Having done this, I may experience a tick every other year, but then again it could be a chigger that's itching. Don't forget to spray your turkey seat as well as decoys, bag, camo blind, etc. anything that you will carry to and from your truck. Also, when cleaning your turkey realize that the bird is probably crawling with tiny deer ticks, so be cautious and don't bring the fan, wings, etc. into the house until it's been outside for several days.
You're making it too weak. It should be 2oz to 40oz of water.
Jim is correct. Sawyers is .5% and it is recommended to stay around .5% with your mix as well. If you would increase your mix to .5%, you can ditch the Sawyers and save about $10 a bottle that you can mix yourself.
I've been using the Martin's for a few years now. I mix between 2 and 2.5 oz per half gallon of water in a dedicated pump sprayer and spray the hell out of all my hunting clothes inside and out including all hats, gloves, boots, gobbler lounger, etc. I'll do that a week or two before I head out for the season and it'll last all spring long, and have yet to have a single tick on me since I've been using it. Way too much bad stuff out there that those little sh!ts carry with them.
Good topic. Reminded me to order some Sawyers.
thanks for all the info guys. used permethrin for the 1st time last year
grew up and live in what is now, tick central. nobody worried about them at all until like 10 years ago.
had maybe a half dozen wood ticks stuck in me in my life.
last year i had my first stuck deer tick and it was under my chin and under my 4 inch beard. my wife shredded the thing trying to get it out.
never got a rash or had any symptoms. i'm pretty sure it was only attached for about a day. kinda thinking i should've gone in and gotten tested
Going to give the Martin's a try.
As far as spray bottles go is a clear bottle ok? Is permethrin light sensitive?
I am planning to mix up a couple bottles to keep at home, camp, truck etc. and wanted to see if I need dark bottles.
Thanks
I use Martins as well and mix 1 oz to 16-20 oz of water. I bought a small hand pump sprayer from Amazon that works great.
https://www.amazon.com/Solo-418-Ergonomic-Gardening-Fertilizing/dp/B000BX4VXI
Quote from: LRD on March 25, 2021, 12:13:05 PM
I use Martins as well and mix 1 oz to 16-20 oz of water. I bought a small hand pump sprayer from Amazon that works great.
https://www.amazon.com/Solo-418-Ergonomic-Gardening-Fertilizing/dp/B000BX4VXI
That Harris sprayer at around $10 bucks looks GREAT! I use a trigger sprayer with the Martin's, I'll have to check into the Harris. You could completely saturate your clothes in minutes with one of these.
For anybody looking for more info on tick spray, here is an Old Gobbler link with LOTS of info on the sprays, the different diseases, links to different articles, etc.....http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,88456.0.html
Quote from: captpete on March 23, 2021, 07:02:04 AM
Just a word of advise...Permethrin can been deadly to cats, especially when wet.
Only in concentration percentages that you would never use on your clothing. On the order of 40%+. Though some cats can react to as low as 16%. STILL even higher than the 10% concentrate we get.
I use Martin's Permethrin SFR @ 36.8% for $33/qt. as opposed to Martin's @ 10% for $28/pint. As far as final concentrate I generally make it just a bit stronger at, say, .7% rather than .5%. I use my garden sprayer and mix up a gallon which is enough to well dampen my supply of spring turkey clothes and accessories e.g. facemask, gloves, hats, vest etc. Just use the formula (C1) (V1) = (C2) (V2) to see how much to use. C1=36.8, V1 to be determined, C2=.7, V2=desired final amount, in my case 128 oz.
Addendum: I purchased from DIY Pest Control.
Spraying and drying today! Finally got some sunshine.
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:agreed: :agreed:
Quote from: bbcoach on March 11, 2021, 06:20:53 AM
Martins 10% Permethrin. Plenty on Ebay. 1 oz to 20 oz of water and spray away.
:icon_thumright: Sprayed mine yesterday. Almost forgot about it.
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 29, 2021, 09:55:29 AM
Spraying and drying today! Finally got some sunshine.
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Also sprayed my camo yesterday
Went out listening Saturday morning. I had not yet sprayed my clothes with Sawyers. Only walked off the road a few hundred yards. When I got home I found a tick on my leg. Only had 1 all of last year, also found while scouting.
Sprayed 2 sets of clothes and am will head to get some more after work today. It's time.
Got my concentrate in today's mail...will be mixing and spraying soon.
I get Duration from Traveler's Supply online. Been using it for years for turkey clothes and my travel clothes. Over 30 years ago I contracted Falciparum Malaria when I was working in the Philippines. It was brutal and I lost 4 days that I have no recollection of. I also lost 11 pounds and took a while to recover. Fortunately, Falciparum is the strain of Malaria that doesn't recur and I have no residual effects (it did put the fear in me though). One of my co-workers contracted Dengue Fever (also called bone break fever) on the same trip and it absolutely slammed her. Both are transmitted by mosquito bites, so I don't take them lightly.
Permethrin on your clothes works like a force field to keep those nasty biting ticks, chiggers, and skeeters off and kills 'em. Add a Thermacell, and you're pretty much bug proof.
Be safe out there guys!
Jim
Quote from: bbcoach on March 25, 2021, 01:46:21 PM
Quote from: LRD on March 25, 2021, 12:13:05 PM
I use Martins as well and mix 1 oz to 16-20 oz of water. I bought a small hand pump sprayer from Amazon that works great.
https://www.amazon.com/Solo-418-Ergonomic-Gardening-Fertilizing/dp/B000BX4VXI
That Harris sprayer at around $10 bucks looks GREAT! I use a trigger sprayer with the Martin's, I'll have to check into the Harris. You could completely saturate your clothes in minutes with one of these.
I did find a 1 liter hand held pump sprayer on E-bay for 9 and some change. I had the chance to use it today on my vest and leafy suit. Mixed 2 ozs of 10% with 38 ozs of water. I hung everything on the clothes line and was done saturating everything in less than 2 minutes. BIG IMPROVEMENT from the trigger sprayer. Thanks for the TIP!