Look up your favorite YouTuber who has recently visited Kentucky, and see where they killed at!
https://app.fw.ky.gov/telecheckreview/
Go ahead, give it a try!
The same can be accomplished with information requests to other states.
Kentucky has an online database that they will just willy nilly let anyone with a computer access? What kind of garbage is that? If I were a Kentucky resident, I'd be pissed!
Seems like that is using personal data without permission to me
You can get way more than this from information requests. Florida will give you names, addresses, e mails, application choices, etc. You can find out who applied for Florida quota hunts, when they applied, the WMAs they selected, etc.
How would you feel if people had access to this info in MS and could trace your kills? You've made it clear that you despise Youtubers but you're crossing into a whole new territory with this. For someone who claims to be "concerned with public land", you are taking a big fat dump on KY public lands by revealing this info. Seems very hypocritical to me...
Deerhunt1988, this is your problem with this KY site? That people can look up the youtubers kill?
Lot wrong with the KY site but that ain't one of 'em.
Quote from: Jbird22 on October 01, 2021, 08:53:41 PM
How would you feel if people had access to this info in MS and could trace your kills? You've made it clear that you despise Youtubers but you're crossing into a whole new territory with this. For someone who claims to be "concerned with public land", you are taking a big fat dump on KY public lands by revealing this info. Seems very hypocritical to me...
Have at it. Most of mine are private in Mississippi.
Just revealing one of many reasons why they should quit naming states. There's more info than this out there avaliable.
Quote from: Crghss on October 01, 2021, 09:16:08 PM
Deerhunt1988, this is your problem with this KY site? That people can look up the youtubers kill?
Lot wrong with the KY site but that ain't one of 'em.
I have no problems with Kentucky's site.
I do have qualms about people exploiting our public lands for profit and fame.
They pulled the same thing here in NY for handgun owners a few years back.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 01, 2021, 09:49:41 PM
Quote from: Jbird22 on October 01, 2021, 08:53:41 PM
How would you feel if people had access to this info in MS and could trace your kills? You've made it clear that you despise Youtubers but you're crossing into a whole new territory with this. For someone who claims to be "concerned with public land", you are taking a big fat dump on KY public lands by revealing this info. Seems very hypocritical to me...
Have at it. Most of mine are private in Mississippi.
Just revealing one of many reasons why they should quit naming states. There's more info than this out there avaliable.
Nope, I'm honestly not concerned enough to look, but we both know you wouldn't want people having that kind of access to your public land kills.
Speaking of not naming state names...
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,2355.msg29348.html#msg29348
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,22007.msg241649.html#msg241649
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,59922.msg586712.html#msg586712
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,79023.msg767553.html#msg767553
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,77658.msg754829.html#msg754829
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,76571.msg746258.html#msg746258
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,86523.msg839019.html#msg839019
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,94131.msg922417.html#msg922417
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,94086.msg921815.html#msg921815
And that's just the ones with pics...
Guilty of the same thing you're lambasting the Youtubers for, correct?
Zero reason that information should be shared. Makes no sense.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on October 01, 2021, 10:34:42 PM
Zero reason that information should be shared. Makes no sense.
Exactly! There's definitely no reason to spotlight it when the vast majority of people didn't know it was available.
Quote from: Jbird22 on October 01, 2021, 10:34:13 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 01, 2021, 09:49:41 PM
Quote from: Jbird22 on October 01, 2021, 08:53:41 PM
How would you feel if people had access to this info in MS and could trace your kills? You've made it clear that you despise Youtubers but you're crossing into a whole new territory with this. For someone who claims to be "concerned with public land", you are taking a big fat dump on KY public lands by revealing this info. Seems very hypocritical to me...
Have at it. Most of mine are private in Mississippi.
Just revealing one of many reasons why they should quit naming states. There's more info than this out there avaliable.
Nope, I'm honestly not concerned enough to look, but we both know you wouldn't want people having that kind of access to your public land kills.
Speaking of not naming state names...
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,2355.msg29348.html#msg29348
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,22007.msg241649.html#msg241649
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,59922.msg586712.html#msg586712
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,79023.msg767553.html#msg767553
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,77658.msg754829.html#msg754829
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,76571.msg746258.html#msg746258
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,86523.msg839019.html#msg839019
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,94131.msg922417.html#msg922417
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,94086.msg921815.html#msg921815
And that's just the ones with pics...
Guilty of the same thing you're lambasting the Youtubers for, correct?
If you think me posting pictures from a few states on this forum and YouTubers posting videos with 50-100k+ views is even remotely comparable, well it's just really not worth my time to respond.
But here I am, having to explain to you how a few forum posts that a couple hundred or so see aren't even remotely comparable to videos that tens of thousands (or even a hundred thousand) view in a matter of weeks. And in some instances, the producers are even being paid by the state game and fish agencies to produce it.
Yeah, I was guilty of naming states a few years back. But insinuating that it is even comparable to the other metrics of today is just silly.
A couple forum posts with a dead turkey and state named, go have at it. But when you put it on video with multiple turkeys gobbling, a few hundred thousand followers, there is definitely a much greater impact.
And we will continue to see the impacts on public land hunting in the future. Mark my words.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 01, 2021, 10:52:00 PM
Quote from: Jbird22 on October 01, 2021, 10:34:13 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 01, 2021, 09:49:41 PM
Quote from: Jbird22 on October 01, 2021, 08:53:41 PM
How would you feel if people had access to this info in MS and could trace your kills? You've made it clear that you despise Youtubers but you're crossing into a whole new territory with this. For someone who claims to be "concerned with public land", you are taking a big fat dump on KY public lands by revealing this info. Seems very hypocritical to me...
Have at it. Most of mine are private in Mississippi.
Just revealing one of many reasons why they should quit naming states. There's more info than this out there avaliable.
Nope, I'm honestly not concerned enough to look, but we both know you wouldn't want people having that kind of access to your public land kills.
Speaking of not naming state names...
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,2355.msg29348.html#msg29348
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,22007.msg241649.html#msg241649
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,59922.msg586712.html#msg586712
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,79023.msg767553.html#msg767553
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,77658.msg754829.html#msg754829
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,76571.msg746258.html#msg746258
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,86523.msg839019.html#msg839019
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,94131.msg922417.html#msg922417
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,94086.msg921815.html#msg921815
And that's just the ones with pics...
Guilty of the same thing you're lambasting the Youtubers for, correct?
If you think me posting pictures from a few states on this forum and YouTubers posting videos with 50-100k+ views is even remotely comparable, well it's just really not worth my time to respond.
But here I am, having to explain to you how a few forum posts that a couple hundred or so see aren't even remotely comparable to videos that tens of thousands (or even a hundred thousand) view in a matter of weeks. And in some instances, the producers are even being paid by the state game and fish agencies to produce it.
Yeah, I was guilty of naming states a few years back. But insinuating that it is even comparable to the other metrics of today is just silly.
A couple forum posts with a dead turkey and state named, go have at it. But when you put it on video with multiple turkeys gobbling, a few hundred thousand followers, there is definitely a much greater impact.
And we will continue to see the impacts on public land hunting in the future. Mark my words.
The metrics of today evolved from those of yesterday. Let that sink in for a bit...
My heavens where has everyone been? The Kentucky telecheck system has been in operation for years for turkey, deer and elk. IMO a great tool for everyone. I lived there for nine years and review it often to see how the kills have increased or decreased over the years. I noted that this spring the harvest increased in one of my old spots with a good percentage of jakes. Should bode well for next spring. Some do whine about the feature that allows checks by last name. The honest hunters don't seem too concerned. The ones that don't care for that one antlered deer per season rule may. Pretty hard to brag about that late season buck when you've already taken one during early bow.
Add - at the end of every season I use the "by name" feature to check on some old hunting buddies and local celebrities. From memory I believe Harold Knight took two gobblers this year in Trigg County Ky. Bet he won't care if it's mentioned.
Quote from: GobbleGitr on October 01, 2021, 07:31:37 PM
Seems like that is using personal data without permission to me
It's not. Been discussed into the ground. KY has several forums such as this. They don't like non-res anymore than FL, MS, AL, etc etc like non-res in their states. Just the way things are now.
So help me understand this.
You're complaining of YouTubers ruining public ground by claiming the state they're hunting.
Yet you're blasting a source in a public forum that specifically exposes the WMAs they're hunting on.
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What is the difference of you tubers doing what they do and sporting magazines doing what they've done for many years? Plenty of "secret" public hunting and fishing spots outed by articles and higher pressure as a result.
Two quotes come to mind.
Mr. Eddie Wyatt who was owner of The fly shop of Tennessee: "There are no secret spots."
Michael Waddell: "You are not God's gift to hunting. Hunting is God's gift to all of us."
No hunting or fishing spot lasts forever. They all play out eventually. Enjoy it while it lasts and appreciate it for what it is.
Quote from: joey46 on October 01, 2021, 11:50:42 PM
Quote from: GobbleGitr on October 01, 2021, 07:31:37 PM
Seems like that is using personal data without permission to me
It's not. Been discussed into the ground. KY has several forums such as this. They don't like non-res anymore than FL, MS, AL, etc etc like non-res in their states. Just the way things are now.
'Just the way things are' is no defense. That kind of neutered opinion allows the loudest voices to dictate narrative and policies.
"There are no secret spots" says it all. Not to high jack this topic but all hopes of being able to start out on public land in the dark and WALK back into an area went by the wayside with the legalization of electric bikes on most hiking trails. Team an electric bike with any of the GPS equipped mapping apps/ cyber scouting and that "secret" spot will be visited multiple times throughout a season. That hidden ridge or saddle that was only known to you will now be obvious to a big population of today's public land hunters "scouting" on their computers from a thousand miles away.. I'm an old guy that started hunting the big birds in the late 1970s. The game has rapidly changed for multiple reasons. I'll adapt as long as I'm physically able. Oh well - adapt or die.
I'm still amazed so many were unaware of Kentucky's telecheck system and the county by county information that is available for multiple species. It's a wide diverse State. Nice that a hunter planning a visit can see what areas seem to hold consistent harvest numbers. We watch areas in the far western portions such as LBL or Clark's River but also check the county by county reports from the eastern areas of the Daniel Boone NF.
Magazine authors, Facebook Joe, Forum Bill..... all guilty of sharing specifics. All negligent and selfish. All for personal gain. But, by and large, as discussed multiple times, are not as easily accessible and to the shear number of people as YouTube. No membership or no subscription needed. Simple clicks of a button and MILLIONS have access to. So when someone like Dave Owens has a video titled "Real Turkey Hunting - XYZ Public Land DIY hunting" and the video has 462,000 views it's non-comparable. Not 4,260 views....that's nearly half of 1 million views on one lone video.
Guess what... no one is saying they aren't like able people. No one is saying they don't share quality hunting videos. No one is saying don't make money off your videos. What we are saying is that by sharing specific information they have created a monster above and beyond normal pressure on public land. All that is asked is to quit exploiting and promoting specific states, specific regions of states, and specific public lands. Quit showing distinguishable landmarks, NF road signs, etc. Quit being one of the root causes for hunter opportunity declines.
Why can't one just share a picture and a story. "I killed this turkey at 7:00am"? Why does it have to be, "I killed this turkey at 7:00am on XYZ WMA" or YouTube blast of "killed in North XYZ state on NF"? PERSONAL GAIN......fame, notoriety, money, clicks, likes, etc. Prove me wrong.
I've concluded this much. If you see nothing at all wrong with what they have been doing you are either naive, don't hunt public at all, don't hunt much public, you can't see past your enjoyment of the videos, or you are a fan club member. Sometimes you either on the right side of history or the wrong side of history....let's keep our heads in the sand and see where this ends up.
As far as states providing a search of names and counties for harvests, I don't understand why that's open for the public to view. What's the reasoning for including the hunter's name?
Accountability.
Quote from: joey46 on October 02, 2021, 09:59:21 AM
Accountability.
The state has your name. You are accountable to them when you tag a turkey. Why does anyone on the internet, whether it be someone from KY, NY, or CA, need access with your specific name?
Well since you've painted us all with one paint brush I've concluded I don't give a rip what you think of YouTube. You assume anyone who doesn't hate it is in love with it. You are wrong on plenty.
Quote from: THattaway on October 02, 2021, 10:46:53 AM
Well since you've painted us all with one paint brush I've concluded I don't give a rip what you think of YouTube. You assume anyone who doesn't hate it is in love with it. You are wrong on plenty.
And it's here to stay. Learn to live with it and use it to your advantage.
The link I clicked on only allowed results for the current year, is this right? I know once I log onto my account I can get a history of all my checked birds back to 1990. This is my personal history and not viewable by the public. I like to be able to do that and review when and where I had success. I like their telecheck system, I did not like having to drive 20-30 mile to check a bird in some areas. I don't think this will cause near as much a problem as the Youtubers. The closest you can get is a county and that's not the GPS coordinates to a honey hole, so I feel pretty safe. However; the tubers have posted specific information like gates in the background that had visible numbers. That's pretty specific.
No doubt some YouTube videos have given away specific locations. I get the issue many would have with that. It's legit.
However the hypocrisy is more than real here. It's not a concern of our public lands, it's a personal issue.
Garnering discord against YouTubers because their so called exploitation and profit of public lands.
Yet posts sources to further exploit the WMAs they made kills on.
I even see posts damning the non-resident traveling turkey hunter, yet their on a quest to kill in 50 states.
Exploiting and profiting off public resources happens on bigger and perfectly acceptable levels. In fact it's some peoples livelihood. Damn those charter boat captains in the Gulf Of Mexico for advertising their services and profiting off public waters. They even feature their material on Youtube.
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Quote from: El Pavo Grande on October 02, 2021, 10:35:56 AM
Quote from: joey46 on October 02, 2021, 09:59:21 AM
Accountability.
The state has your name. You are accountable to them when you tag a turkey. Why does anyone on the internet, whether it be someone from KY, NY, or CA, need access with your specific name?
That's the thing that jumps out at me with all of this. Sharing your name, etc. with the public.
There are nut-jobs in the animal rights movement who could wreak havoc on your life given that info.
And, just as a general principle, why does ANYBODY need to know your name? It's not a criminal database!
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Public Land is public. Public Information is public. This is now entering the :deadhorse:. The worry about PETA knowing your identity is :TooFunny:. So what? " Joe Smith just shot a turkey in Trigg County - let's get him Martha". Jeez! What a stretch.
Quote from: eggshell on October 02, 2021, 12:25:43 PM
The link I clicked on only allowed results for the current year, is this right? I know once I log onto my account I can get a history of all my checked birds back to 1990. This is my personal history and not viewable by the public. I like to be able to do that and review when and where I had success. I like their telecheck system, I did not like having to drive 20-30 mile to check a bird in some areas. I don't think this will cause near as much a problem as the Youtubers. The closest you can get is a county and that's not the GPS coordinates to a honey hole, so I feel pretty safe. However; the tubers have posted specific information like gates in the background that had visible numbers. That's pretty specific.
Yeah, the link is only good for this year.
But a quick information request could likely get you someone's information for way more years than that. Link below for information request. Information requests are a service all states provide
https://fw.ky.gov/More/Pages/Open-Records-Procedures.aspx
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: eggshell on October 02, 2021, 12:25:43 PM
The link I clicked on only allowed results for the current year, is this right? I know once I log onto my account I can get a history of all my checked birds back to 1990. This is my personal history and not viewable by the public. I like to be able to do that and review when and where I had success. I like their telecheck system, I did not like having to drive 20-30 mile to check a bird in some areas. I don't think this will cause near as much a problem as the Youtubers. The closest you can get is a county and that's not the GPS coordinates to a honey hole, so I feel pretty safe. However; the tubers have posted specific information like gates in the background that had visible numbers. That's pretty specific.
Yeah, the link is only good for this year.
But a quick information request could likely get you someone's information for way more years than that. Link below for information request. Information requests are a service all states provide
https://fw.ky.gov/More/Pages/Open-Records-Procedures.aspx
Exactly what does this achieve by digging in the harvest records of these hunters?
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Quote from: joey46 on October 02, 2021, 12:56:49 PM
Public Information is public. This is now entering the :deadhorse:.
Crazy ain't it?
They refuse to quit naming states as they argue it does no harm. So i'm just opening folks eyes up to the power of public information. Information that is out there for free (most of the time) for everyone with only minimal effort required.
Heck, some states even will sell their license holder's information to 3rd parties. I've had to 'opt out' numerous times when buying licenses in other states.
Quote from: UpperTully on October 02, 2021, 01:14:10 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: eggshell on October 02, 2021, 12:25:43 PM
The link I clicked on only allowed results for the current year, is this right? I know once I log onto my account I can get a history of all my checked birds back to 1990. This is my personal history and not viewable by the public. I like to be able to do that and review when and where I had success. I like their telecheck system, I did not like having to drive 20-30 mile to check a bird in some areas. I don't think this will cause near as much a problem as the Youtubers. The closest you can get is a county and that's not the GPS coordinates to a honey hole, so I feel pretty safe. However; the tubers have posted specific information like gates in the background that had visible numbers. That's pretty specific.
Yeah, the link is only good for this year.
But a quick information request could likely get you someone's information for way more years than that. Link below for information request. Information requests are a service all states provide
https://fw.ky.gov/More/Pages/Open-Records-Procedures.aspx
Exactly what does this achieve by digging in the harvest records of these hunters?
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They refuse to quit naming states as they argue it does no harm. So i'm just opening folks eyes up to the power of public information. Information that is out there for free (most of the time) for everyone with only minimal effort required.
Never underestimate the effort people will go through to find out where folks are hunting. There are way more hunters out there than you can imagine that will spend hours and hours tracking down the spots folks are hunting on video.
Quote from: joey46 on October 02, 2021, 12:56:49 PM
Public Land is public. Public Information is public. This is now entering the :deadhorse:. The worry about PETA knowing your identity is :TooFunny:. So what? " Joe Smith just shot a turkey in Trigg County - let's get him Martha". Jeez! What a stretch.
Spread the wealth attitude.... Socialism creeping into hunting.
No problem with showing harvest #s, but individual names is ridiculous. It's the state's business right know where I killed a turkey, not you or anyone else.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 01:17:38 PM
Quote from: UpperTully on October 02, 2021, 01:14:10 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: eggshell on October 02, 2021, 12:25:43 PM
The link I clicked on only allowed results for the current year, is this right? I know once I log onto my account I can get a history of all my checked birds back to 1990. This is my personal history and not viewable by the public. I like to be able to do that and review when and where I had success. I like their telecheck system, I did not like having to drive 20-30 mile to check a bird in some areas. I don't think this will cause near as much a problem as the Youtubers. The closest you can get is a county and that's not the GPS coordinates to a honey hole, so I feel pretty safe. However; the tubers have posted specific information like gates in the background that had visible numbers. That's pretty specific.
Yeah, the link is only good for this year.
But a quick information request could likely get you someone's information for way more years than that. Link below for information request. Information requests are a service all states provide
https://fw.ky.gov/More/Pages/Open-Records-Procedures.aspx
Exactly what does this achieve by digging in the harvest records of these hunters?
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They refuse to quit naming states as they argue it does no harm. So i'm just opening folks eyes up to the power of public information. Information that is out there for free (most of the time) for everyone with only minimal effort required.
Never underestimate the effort people will go through to find out where folks are hunting. There are way more hunters out there than you can imagine that will spend hours and hours tracking down the spots folks are hunting on video.
You truly think that's going to stop them? I don't see any issue with naming the state. However, your efforts are narrowing down to the actual place they're filming and killing birds. They're somewhat being discreet, you're exploiting the land for which they hunt even further.
I see your posts on here name the states for which you have killed birds in.
The kettle is calling the pot black here.
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A bored redneck with a smartphone can find out just about anything they want to know.
Quote from: UpperTully on October 02, 2021, 01:35:58 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 01:17:38 PM
Quote from: UpperTully on October 02, 2021, 01:14:10 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: eggshell on October 02, 2021, 12:25:43 PM
The link I clicked on only allowed results for the current year, is this right? I know once I log onto my account I can get a history of all my checked birds back to 1990. This is my personal history and not viewable by the public. I like to be able to do that and review when and where I had success. I like their telecheck system, I did not like having to drive 20-30 mile to check a bird in some areas. I don't think this will cause near as much a problem as the Youtubers. The closest you can get is a county and that's not the GPS coordinates to a honey hole, so I feel pretty safe. However; the tubers have posted specific information like gates in the background that had visible numbers. That's pretty specific.
Yeah, the link is only good for this year.
But a quick information request could likely get you someone's information for way more years than that. Link below for information request. Information requests are a service all states provide
https://fw.ky.gov/More/Pages/Open-Records-Procedures.aspx
Exactly what does this achieve by digging in the harvest records of these hunters?
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They refuse to quit naming states as they argue it does no harm. So i'm just opening folks eyes up to the power of public information. Information that is out there for free (most of the time) for everyone with only minimal effort required.
Never underestimate the effort people will go through to find out where folks are hunting. There are way more hunters out there than you can imagine that will spend hours and hours tracking down the spots folks are hunting on video.
You truly think that's going to stop them? I don't see any issue with naming the state. However, your efforts are narrowing down to the actual place they're filming and killing birds. They're somewhat being discreet, you're exploiting the land for which they hunt even further.
I see your posts on here name the states for which you have killed birds in.
The kettle is calling the pot black here.
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Yes, because me posting state names and pictures of a dead turkey on this forum have the same outreach as a YouTube video that can get 100k views in under a day.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 01:17:38 PM
Quote from: UpperTully on October 02, 2021, 01:14:10 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: eggshell on October 02, 2021, 12:25:43 PM
The link I clicked on only allowed results for the current year, is this right? I know once I log onto my account I can get a history of all my checked birds back to 1990. This is my personal history and not viewable by the public. I like to be able to do that and review when and where I had success. I like their telecheck system, I did not like having to drive 20-30 mile to check a bird in some areas. I don't think this will cause near as much a problem as the Youtubers. The closest you can get is a county and that's not the GPS coordinates to a honey hole, so I feel pretty safe. However; the tubers have posted specific information like gates in the background that had visible numbers. That's pretty specific.
Yeah, the link is only good for this year.
But a quick information request could likely get you someone's information for way more years than that. Link below for information request. Information requests are a service all states provide
https://fw.ky.gov/More/Pages/Open-Records-Procedures.aspx
Exactly what does this achieve by digging in the harvest records of these hunters?
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They refuse to quit naming states as they argue it does no harm. So i'm just opening folks eyes up to the power of public information. Information that is out there for free (most of the time) for everyone with only minimal effort required.
Never underestimate the effort people will go through to find out where folks are hunting. There are way more hunters out there than you can imagine that will spend hours and hours tracking down the spots folks are hunting on video.
People who spend hours trying to figure out where so and so hunted are probably not going to kill any turkeys wherever they go. I would think most guys on here who actually call turkeys in and shoot them are not going to sit behind a keyboard and fool with all this bull crap investigation. You can usually pull up the information for how many birds are killed on what wma, or county, or zone. All you need to see is that there is a turkey population there. It doesn't make any difference who shot them. I understand that if people know so and so went to such and such spot that it will drive more traffic to that area. For the people who are doing that, you need to change your focus.
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The link I clicked on only allowed results for the current year, is this right? I know once I log onto my account I can get a history of all my checked birds back to 1990. This is my personal history and not viewable by the public. I like to be able to do that and review when and where I had success. I like their telecheck system, I did not like having to drive 20-30 mile to check a bird in some areas. I don't think this will cause near as much a problem as the Youtubers. The closest you can get is a county and that's not the GPS coordinates to a honey hole, so I feel pretty safe. However; the tubers have posted specific information like gates in the background that had visible numbers. That's pretty specific.
Yeah, the link is only good for this year.
But a quick information request could likely get you someone's information for way more years than that. Link below for information request. Information requests are a service all states provide
https://fw.ky.gov/More/Pages/Open-Records-Procedures.aspx
Exactly what does this achieve by digging in the harvest records of these hunters?
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They refuse to quit naming states as they argue it does no harm. So i'm just opening folks eyes up to the power of public information. Information that is out there for free (most of the time) for everyone with only minimal effort required.
Never underestimate the effort people will go through to find out where folks are hunting. There are way more hunters out there than you can imagine that will spend hours and hours tracking down the spots folks are hunting on video.
People who spend hours trying to figure out where so and so hunted are probably not going to kill any turkeys wherever they go. I would think most guys on here who actually call turkeys in and shoot them are not going to sit behind a keyboard and fool with all this bull crap investigation. You can usually pull up the information for how many birds are killed on what wma, or county, or zone. All you need to see is that there is a turkey population there. It doesn't make any difference who shot them. I understand that if people know so and so went to such and such spot that it will drive more traffic to that area. For the people who are doing that, you need to change your focus.
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I personally know a few who will spend their downtime at work tracking them down. And the ones I know, are killers. But they aren't going to go hunt where they've tracked them too, they just enjoy the process and are amazed at all the clues some of the videos leave behind. One Tuber has it figured out, he leaves very little evidence or even false evidence. But the others are bad about leaving bread crumb trails. Which can help with views.
Yes some of them have left way too much in past videos. I think they did make more of an effort this last spring after they started getting some blow back. I think Dave tries hard not to show any clues. But like we were talking about Florida everyone can figure that one out just because of what's available down there.
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Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 02:06:02 PM
Quote from: UpperTully on October 02, 2021, 01:35:58 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 01:17:38 PM
Quote from: UpperTully on October 02, 2021, 01:14:10 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: eggshell on October 02, 2021, 12:25:43 PM
The link I clicked on only allowed results for the current year, is this right? I know once I log onto my account I can get a history of all my checked birds back to 1990. This is my personal history and not viewable by the public. I like to be able to do that and review when and where I had success. I like their telecheck system, I did not like having to drive 20-30 mile to check a bird in some areas. I don't think this will cause near as much a problem as the Youtubers. The closest you can get is a county and that's not the GPS coordinates to a honey hole, so I feel pretty safe. However; the tubers have posted specific information like gates in the background that had visible numbers. That's pretty specific.
Yeah, the link is only good for this year.
But a quick information request could likely get you someone's information for way more years than that. Link below for information request. Information requests are a service all states provide
https://fw.ky.gov/More/Pages/Open-Records-Procedures.aspx
Exactly what does this achieve by digging in the harvest records of these hunters?
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They refuse to quit naming states as they argue it does no harm. So i'm just opening folks eyes up to the power of public information. Information that is out there for free (most of the time) for everyone with only minimal effort required.
Never underestimate the effort people will go through to find out where folks are hunting. There are way more hunters out there than you can imagine that will spend hours and hours tracking down the spots folks are hunting on video.
You truly think that's going to stop them? I don't see any issue with naming the state. However, your efforts are narrowing down to the actual place they're filming and killing birds. They're somewhat being discreet, you're exploiting the land for which they hunt even further.
I see your posts on here name the states for which you have killed birds in.
The kettle is calling the pot black here.
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Yes, because me posting state names and pictures of a dead turkey on this forum have the same outreach as a YouTube video that can get 100k views in under a day.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 02:06:02 PM
Quote from: UpperTully on October 02, 2021, 01:35:58 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 01:17:38 PM
Quote from: UpperTully on October 02, 2021, 01:14:10 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: eggshell on October 02, 2021, 12:25:43 PM
The link I clicked on only allowed results for the current year, is this right? I know once I log onto my account I can get a history of all my checked birds back to 1990. This is my personal history and not viewable by the public. I like to be able to do that and review when and where I had success. I like their telecheck system, I did not like having to drive 20-30 mile to check a bird in some areas. I don't think this will cause near as much a problem as the Youtubers. The closest you can get is a county and that's not the GPS coordinates to a honey hole, so I feel pretty safe. However; the tubers have posted specific information like gates in the background that had visible numbers. That's pretty specific.
Yeah, the link is only good for this year.
But a quick information request could likely get you someone's information for way more years than that. Link below for information request. Information requests are a service all states provide
https://fw.ky.gov/More/Pages/Open-Records-Procedures.aspx
Exactly what does this achieve by digging in the harvest records of these hunters?
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They refuse to quit naming states as they argue it does no harm. So i'm just opening folks eyes up to the power of public information. Information that is out there for free (most of the time) for everyone with only minimal effort required.
Never underestimate the effort people will go through to find out where folks are hunting. There are way more hunters out there than you can imagine that will spend hours and hours tracking down the spots folks are hunting on video.
You truly think that's going to stop them? I don't see any issue with naming the state. However, your efforts are narrowing down to the actual place they're filming and killing birds. They're somewhat being discreet, you're exploiting the land for which they hunt even further.
I see your posts on here name the states for which you have killed birds in.
The kettle is calling the pot black here.
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Yes, because me posting state names and pictures of a dead turkey on this forum have the same outreach as a YouTube video that can get 100k views in under a day.
That's where you're theory is grossly mistaken. Google search yields just as many people, if not more. This forum as with many others gets a ton of lurkers seeking information. Prove me wrong.
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Quote from: UpperTully on October 02, 2021, 03:41:20 PM
That's where you're theory is grossly mistaken. Google search yields just as many people, if not more. This forum as with many others gets a ton of lurkers seeking information. Prove me wrong.
As you wish. Here are OG's top general threads sorted by views. Half or more of the top 10 most viewed threads aren't even turkey hunting related. The top two turkey related ones have 35k and 36k views and both ironically deal with the topic at hand. Hmmm..
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Now compare to that to a recent video by THP that got over 100k views in under 24 hours. Or the Kentucky video with nearly a half million views. Or the Florida videos with 100k views. Or the Hawaii video with 100k views.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 04:02:52 PM
Quote from: UpperTully on October 02, 2021, 03:41:20 PM
That's where you're theory is grossly mistaken. Google search yields just as many people, if not more. This forum as with many others gets a ton of lurkers seeking information. Prove me wrong.
As you wish. Here are OG's top general threads sorted by views. Half or more of the top 10 most viewed threads aren't even turkey hunting related. The top two turkey related ones have 35k and 36k views and both ironically deal with the topic at hand. Hmmm..
(https://i.imgur.com/itUGDrE.jpg)
Now compare to that to a recent video by THP that got over 100k views in under 24 hours. Or the Kentucky video with nearly a half million views. Or the Florida videos with 100k views. Or the Hawaii video with 100k views.
Log out, then go in and out of this very thread until your heart desires. You will see the number of views doesn't change with the number of times you viewed this thread while logged out.
I just did it 20 times while logged out, the number of views doesn't reflect those 20 views I made of leaving and entering this thread.
Back to my point, you're cherry picking and being hypocritical. You argue it's detrimental to mention public ground on YouTube but justify your own actions of mentioning public ground in other areas of public viewing online, such as this forum. Additionally, Youtubers mention the state for which they're hunting, you're on here blowing out Kentucky WMAs by posting a source for hunters to find the WMA's they were hunting.
None the less it seems you have a personal vendetta and are being more of a Karen than anything with your agenda.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on October 02, 2021, 01:25:27 PM
Spread the wealth attitude.... Socialism creeping into hunting.
That is about the stupidest thing I've ever read on here. That's as American as it gets, Public land. Go to a socialist country and do you some public land hunting. Sounds like you'd rather have it all to yourself.
Quote from: guesswho on October 02, 2021, 02:02:45 PM
A bored redneck with a smartphone can find out just about anything they want to know.
Yep, there are no secrets...
Quote from: THattaway on October 02, 2021, 06:10:16 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on October 02, 2021, 01:25:27 PM
Spread the wealth attitude.... Socialism creeping into hunting.
That is about the stupidest thing I've ever read on here. That's as American as it gets, Public land. Go to a socialist country and do you some public land hunting. Sounds like you'd rather have it all to yourself.
Not at all. Trying to preserve what we have. Trying to help eliminate more reductions in hunter opportunity. Think outside the box....if you can. Or you can continue with your head in the sand if you choose.
So, do you agree with sharing specifics on social media? What are the positives of sharing specific information?
Quote from: Crghss on October 02, 2021, 07:27:19 PM
Quote from: guesswho on October 02, 2021, 02:02:45 PM
A bored redneck with a smartphone can find out just about anything they want to know.
Yep, there are no secrets...
After 4 pages of this I bet you can't guess what I'm thinking now
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: aclawrence on October 02, 2021, 02:07:48 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 01:17:38 PM
Quote from: UpperTully on October 02, 2021, 01:14:10 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 02, 2021, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: eggshell on October 02, 2021, 12:25:43 PM
The link I clicked on only allowed results for the current year, is this right? I know once I log onto my account I can get a history of all my checked birds back to 1990. This is my personal history and not viewable by the public. I like to be able to do that and review when and where I had success. I like their telecheck system, I did not like having to drive 20-30 mile to check a bird in some areas. I don't think this will cause near as much a problem as the Youtubers. The closest you can get is a county and that's not the GPS coordinates to a honey hole, so I feel pretty safe. However; the tubers have posted specific information like gates in the background that had visible numbers. That's pretty specific.
Yeah, the link is only good for this year.
But a quick information request could likely get you someone's information for way more years than that. Link below for information request. Information requests are a service all states provide
https://fw.ky.gov/More/Pages/Open-Records-Procedures.aspx
Exactly what does this achieve by digging in the harvest records of these hunters?
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They refuse to quit naming states as they argue it does no harm. So i'm just opening folks eyes up to the power of public information. Information that is out there for free (most of the time) for everyone with only minimal effort required.
Never underestimate the effort people will go through to find out where folks are hunting. There are way more hunters out there than you can imagine that will spend hours and hours tracking down the spots folks are hunting on video.
People who spend hours trying to figure out where so and so hunted are probably not going to kill any turkeys wherever they go. I would think most guys on here who actually call turkeys in and shoot them are not going to sit behind a keyboard and fool with all this bull crap investigation. You can usually pull up the information for how many birds are killed on what wma, or county, or zone. All you need to see is that there is a turkey population there. It doesn't make any difference who shot them. I understand that if people know so and so went to such and such spot that it will drive more traffic to that area. For the people who are doing that, you need to change your focus.
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I personally know a few who will spend their downtime at work tracking them down. And the ones I know, are killers. But they aren't going to go hunt where they've tracked them too, they just enjoy the process and are amazed at all the clues some of the videos leave behind. One Tuber has it figured out, he leaves very little evidence or even false evidence. But the others are bad about leaving bread crumb trails. Which can help with views.
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yup
I'll probably drop out of this discussion since it's become rather repetitive and boring. Myself and a buddy have long been thinking of a trip out west for a Merriam. I have the latest National Forest maps, watched multiple you tube videos, and PMed hunters on several forums. You Tuber's videos are just a part of today's scouting process. If we don't make the western trip we may run up to Kentucky since he's never shot an Eastern (south Florida boy - only shot Osceolas). I have KY experience from having lived there nine years and hunted the state for many years prior. We'll use the information available from KY's excellent telecheck system before making any final decision on specific areas. Computers, satellite views, GPS units, and mapping apps are much more valuable tools than YouTubers IMO. Time to enter the 21st century and not worry about who said what on YouTube. It won't matter anyway. YouTube and cyber hunters are here to stay. Use them, work around them, or whine about them - you're choice.
Quote from: joey46 on October 03, 2021, 02:15:36 AM
I'll probably drop out of this discussion since it's become rather repetitive and boring. Myself and a buddy have long been thinking of a trip out west for a Merriam. I have the latest National Forest maps, watched multiple you tube videos, and PMed hunters on several forums. You Tuber's videos are just a part of today's scouting process. If we don't make the western trip we may run up to Kentucky since he's never shot an Eastern (south Florida boy - only shot Osceolas). I have KY experience from having lived there nine years and hunted the state for many years prior. We'll use the information available from KY's excellent telecheck system before making any final decision on specific areas. Computers, satellite views, GPS units, and mapping apps are much more valuable tools than YouTubers IMO. Time to enter the 21st century and not worry about who said what on YouTube. It won't matter anyway. YouTube and cyber hunters are here to stay. Use them, work around them, or whine about them - you're choice.
Not being argumentative, but this illustrates what I have said about having apathy. No denying it's here to stay. But, is there not a point that some need to be held accountable? Or do we just shrug our shoulders and accept the fact that the exploitation by a few has created some negatives? Not asking or expecting them to go away. Just asking to place the resource and other hunters above their own personal gain by changing the content they present.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on October 01, 2021, 01:41:17 PM
Look up your favorite YouTuber who has recently visited Kentucky, and see where they killed at!
https://app.fw.ky.gov/telecheckreview/
Go ahead, give it a try!
The same can be accomplished with information requests to other states.
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Follow up question going way back to the post that got this all started? I must not know who my "favorite You Tuber" is since when I entered the name I guessed it shows he killed a bird in Estill County on private land. Estill County I believe is in the Daniel Boone National Forest area (600,000 + acres) so that wasn't too big a clue. Through the magic of KY Telecheck it showed over 500 birds recorded from the Daniel Boone NF during spring 2021. That secret is out.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on October 02, 2021, 08:40:20 PM
Quote from: THattaway on October 02, 2021, 06:10:16 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on October 02, 2021, 01:25:27 PM
Spread the wealth attitude.... Socialism creeping into hunting.
That is about the stupidest thing I've ever read on here. That's as American as it gets, Public land. Go to a socialist country and do you some public land hunting. Sounds like you'd rather have it all to yourself.
Not at all. Trying to preserve what we have. Trying to help eliminate more reductions in hunter opportunity. Think outside the box....if you can. Or you can continue with your head in the sand if you choose.
So, do you agree with sharing specifics on social media? What are the positives of sharing specific information?
Pretty sure where I know your head is buried. Twist it around till you get the answer you want so you can type another essay. Nothing new about folks bragging on kills and others worrying over where they killed it. Besides, it's really none of your business what they do as long as it's legal.
here's a thought for you....are you 100% sure that all the hunters are being truthful about where they killed the bird when they call it in. I know a few guys who just automatically say The Daniel Boone Forest in "X" county. They do this solely to deceive people away from their areas. When I ran a check station I would bet 30-40% of all hunters lied about where they killed their birds. I know where many of them hunted, as they were local, their standard answer was "State land up on the ridge in X county". Some of these were a whole county away or more. I personally will only use kill numbers to get me close to where I trust turkeys are in adequate numbers. In all honesty, my best hunts have been in fringe areas, not nearly as many birds but way less hunters. However, you gotta do the leg work to find these areas. from what I have seen the video guys don't share these places. I'll give you an example. I had a close friend who hunted several years with Dick Kirby. They hunted a certain spot every year and always killed birds there. I never once seen him mention it in a video or at a seminar. I know this because I hunted there too. Now there may have been video of those hunts published, but the information was about somewhere else. Just maybe some of this is thought out more than we all think.
Quote from: THattaway on October 03, 2021, 03:01:13 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on October 02, 2021, 08:40:20 PM
Quote from: THattaway on October 02, 2021, 06:10:16 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on October 02, 2021, 01:25:27 PM
Spread the wealth attitude.... Socialism creeping into hunting.
That is about the stupidest thing I've ever read on here. That's as American as it gets, Public land. Go to a socialist country and do you some public land hunting. Sounds like you'd rather have it all to yourself.
Not at all. Trying to preserve what we have. Trying to help eliminate more reductions in hunter opportunity. Think outside the box....if you can. Or you can continue with your head in the sand if you choose.
So, do you agree with sharing specifics on social media? What are the positives of sharing specific information?
Pretty sure where I know your head is buried. Twist it around till you get the answer you want so you can type another essay. Nothing new about folks bragging on kills and others worrying over where they killed it. Besides, it's really none of your business what they do as long as it's legal.
Oh, OK. Quite a stretch to say I'm twisting it around. How do you figure that? What answer do I want? It's a simple, black and white question. Avoiding to answer the question, that's deflecting. I'll repeat it again in case you overlooked it..... on my message you quoted. What are positives of sharing specific information for millions to access? Do you agree with sharing specific information on social media? Simple, yes or no answer to this one. Waiting.....
If you guys hunt as hard as you gripe you must kill hundreds of Turkeys. But, I doubt you do!
Eggshell, who would be so dumb to name their spot? I was smarter than that when I was a tike. I guess a lot of these guys think everything they read is 100% correct and factual.
I still have no problem with you tubers naming a state. Thanks you tubers, love some of the vids. Would love to hear the correct back story on the one vid I seen with the gate number shot!
Quote from: WV Flopper on October 03, 2021, 07:17:59 PM
If you guys hunt as hard as you gripe you must kill hundreds of Turkeys. But, I doubt you do!
Eggshell, who would be so dumb to name their spot? I was smarter than that when I was a tike. I guess a lot of these guys think everything they read is 100% correct and factual.
I still have no problem with you tubers naming a state. Thanks you tubers, love some of the vids. Would love to hear the correct back story on the one vid I seen with the gate number shot!
I was waiting on the usual measuring contest of killing turkeys to be brought into this. Typical. Once again what you see as griping, many see as voicing legitimate concerns.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on October 03, 2021, 03:45:48 AM
Quote from: joey46 on October 03, 2021, 02:15:36 AM
I'll probably drop out of this discussion since it's become rather repetitive and boring. Myself and a buddy have long been thinking of a trip out west for a Merriam. I have the latest National Forest maps, watched multiple you tube videos, and PMed hunters on several forums. You Tuber's videos are just a part of today's scouting process. If we don't make the western trip we may run up to Kentucky since he's never shot an Eastern (south Florida boy - only shot Osceolas). I have KY experience from having lived there nine years and hunted the state for many years prior. We'll use the information available from KY's excellent telecheck system before making any final decision on specific areas. Computers, satellite views, GPS units, and mapping apps are much more valuable tools than YouTubers IMO. Time to enter the 21st century and not worry about who said what on YouTube. It won't matter anyway. YouTube and cyber hunters are here to stay. Use them, work around them, or whine about them - you're choice.
Not being argumentative, but this illustrates what I have said about having apathy. No denying it's here to stay. But, is there not a point that some need to be held accountable? Or do we just shrug our shoulders and accept the fact that the exploitation by a few has created some negatives? Not asking or expecting them to go away. Just asking to place the resource and other hunters above their own personal gain by changing the content they present.
Curious, do you make all off your own calls? Do you only shoot Turkey's with a bow and arrows you made? Do you make your own camo clothing? If the answer to these is yes, carry on! If the answer is no, by your standards you and 99.9% of hunters are part of the problem by supporting people who exploit public resources for personal gain.
Quote from: Paulmyr on October 03, 2021, 11:08:42 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on October 03, 2021, 03:45:48 AM
Quote from: joey46 on October 03, 2021, 02:15:36 AM
I'll probably drop out of this discussion since it's become rather repetitive and boring. Myself and a buddy have long been thinking of a trip out west for a Merriam. I have the latest National Forest maps, watched multiple you tube videos, and PMed hunters on several forums. You Tuber's videos are just a part of today's scouting process. If we don't make the western trip we may run up to Kentucky since he's never shot an Eastern (south Florida boy - only shot Osceolas). I have KY experience from having lived there nine years and hunted the state for many years prior. We'll use the information available from KY's excellent telecheck system before making any final decision on specific areas. Computers, satellite views, GPS units, and mapping apps are much more valuable tools than YouTubers IMO. Time to enter the 21st century and not worry about who said what on YouTube. It won't matter anyway. YouTube and cyber hunters are here to stay. Use them, work around them, or whine about them - you're choice.
Not being argumentative, but this illustrates what I have said about having apathy. No denying it's here to stay. But, is there not a point that some need to be held accountable? Or do we just shrug our shoulders and accept the fact that the exploitation by a few has created some negatives? Not asking or expecting them to go away. Just asking to place the resource and other hunters above their own personal gain by changing the content they present.
Curious, do you make all off your own calls? Do you only shoot Turkey's with a bow and arrows you made? Do you make your own camo clothing? If the answer to these is yes, carry on! If the answer is no, by your standards you and 99.9% of hunters are part of the problem by supporting people who exploit public resources for personal gain.
Bit of a stretch.
Again, it's really none of your business what anyone does as long as it's legal. And that includes posting where they kill a turkey.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on October 03, 2021, 11:42:27 PM
Quote from: Paulmyr on October 03, 2021, 11:08:42 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on October 03, 2021, 03:45:48 AM
Quote from: joey46 on October 03, 2021, 02:15:36 AM
I'll probably drop out of this discussion since it's become rather repetitive and boring. Myself and a buddy have long been thinking of a trip out west for a Merriam. I have the latest National Forest maps, watched multiple you tube videos, and PMed hunters on several forums. You Tuber's videos are just a part of today's scouting process. If we don't make the western trip we may run up to Kentucky since he's never shot an Eastern (south Florida boy - only shot Osceolas). I have KY experience from having lived there nine years and hunted the state for many years prior. We'll use the information available from KY's excellent telecheck system before making any final decision on specific areas. Computers, satellite views, GPS units, and mapping apps are much more valuable tools than YouTubers IMO. Time to enter the 21st century and not worry about who said what on YouTube. It won't matter anyway. YouTube and cyber hunters are here to stay. Use them, work around them, or whine about them - you're choice.
Not being argumentative, but this illustrates what I have said about having apathy. No denying it's here to stay. But, is there not a point that some need to be held accountable? Or do we just shrug our shoulders and accept the fact that the exploitation by a few has created some negatives? Not asking or expecting them to go away. Just asking to place the resource and other hunters above their own personal gain by changing the content they present.
Curious, do you make all off your own calls? Do you only shoot Turkey's with a bow and arrows you made? Do you make your own camo clothing? If the answer to these is yes, carry on! If the answer is no, by your standards you and 99.9% of hunters are part of the problem by supporting people who exploit public resources for personal gain.
Bit of a stretch.
Your argument is you don't like YouTube videos because they exploit a public resource for personal gain. Mossy oak doesn't make bottom lands camo to sell to soccer moms. Its used to help kill animals (public resource). Same as your shotgun and your turkey calls. The ultimate goal behind the manufacturing of the product is death of the animal. Thier profits are based on the exploitation of a public resource.
TRying to understand your reason for posting this thread ..
Quote from: THattaway on October 04, 2021, 01:40:18 PM
Again, it's really none of your business what anyone does as long as it's legal. And that includes posting where they kill a turkey.
"If it's legal" isn't always the most sound argument, in my opinion. And yes, beyond the state, it really is no ones business where an individual kills a turkey. A number on a sheet is fine, but individual name seems a bit unnecessary to be accessed on the internet.
Didn't know where to hunt but now I do!
In all honesty greed will be what kills the hunter. With all of this "public" and usable resources, it won't be long before the resources are depleted or states limit hunting in such a way the hunter is no longer existent.
Sucks. You'd think people would electively self govern and not get a pick for social media by just killing or bragging of their location. Not going to happen so those that did self govern now get the shaft. Been that way for years now with the aids of internet it's just a faster demise.
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Quote from: yelpaholic on October 04, 2021, 05:02:29 PM
TRying to understand your reason for posting this thread ..
It's easy to understand when you consider one has more of an personal agenda against certain persons rather than a genuine concern.
It seems to me that the thread was started to show how easy it can be for "fans", or even non-fans, to watch a video promoting hunting in XYZ State and spend a little effort searching to find where they were hunting. XYZ county...1 WMA...."oooh jackpot!!" Sacrifice just a few likes and hearts to not name states. Folks are already hooked like crack cocaine and won't throw away your t-shirts or hats with some slight, simple adjustments to content.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on October 07, 2021, 11:37:25 AM
It seems to me that the thread was started to show how easy it can be for "fans", or even non-fans, to watch a video promoting hunting in XYZ State and spend a little effort searching to find where they were hunting. XYZ county...1 WMA...."oooh jackpot!!"
Exactly.
The one's who don't understand obviously haven't been affected by it or don't travel and hunt enough public land in some of these states to see the damage that has already been done. Joe Blow hunting his back 40 will never understand the implications. If you only hunt your local public lands that haven't been blow up yet, it can be very hard to grasp the situation (and consider yourself fortunate)!
If naming states isn't a big deal like many of the video producers claim, why do they continue to do it? Seems like a good comprise between them and their critics would to be just quit naming. No harm done, right?
At the beginning of this thread the author showed everyone how to use the Kentucky website to see who killed what and where. Others have pointed out that you can do this in many states and pointed out other ways to get the info. So it would probably be a little helpful to not name states, but we all know which states these guys hunt in. We can still use the available data to see where they killed the birds at. Especially with the link in the original post. Honestly I don't what to think about all this.
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An old timer once told me some wise advice, and this was even before home computers, cell phones and youdumbasstube.
Find at least one new spot to hunt every year, because it's not a matter of if you will lose a spot it's a matter of when. Always be ahead of the game.
So now I'm the old timer and I'm telling ya move on. I had a spot I hunted for 35 years and it was my go to spot in a certain state. Last year when we showed up it was covered with youtube wannabees. Yup the tubers had screwed it up.....lucky me I had just picked up a new farm of 250 acres. Not as many birds, but zero yahoos. The year before we gained another spot and so we wished the crowd goodluck and moved on.
Life's riches go to the prepared
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So to combat that, let's post a link that shows specific Quote from: El Pavo Grande on October 07, 2021, 11:37:25 AM
It seems to me that the thread was started to show how easy it can be for "fans", or even non-fans, to watch a video promoting hunting in XYZ State and spend a little effort searching to find where they were hunting. XYZ county...1 WMA...."oooh jackpot!!" Sacrifice just a few likes and hearts to not name states. Folks are already hooked like crack cocaine and won't throw away your t-shirts or hats with some slight, simple adjustments to content.
It seems to me that the thread was started to show how easy it can be for "fans", or even non-fans, to watch a video promoting hunting in XYZ State and spend a little effort searching to find where they were hunting. XYZ county...1 WMA...."oooh jackpot!!" Sacrifice just a few likes and hearts to not name states. Folks are already hooked like crack cocaine and won't throw away your t-shirts or hats with some slight, simple adjustments to content.
So if enough people weren't searching for info already, let's post a link that allows you to pin down specific county and public land names. Sorry, but the logic is not there. And no, that info was not already widely known, because I asked a good friend of mine who's lived in Kentucky for well over 20 yrs if he knew about it and he did not know it listed such specific info. But thanks to this post, plenty of folks are well-educated now on KY and now know they can call and ask other states as well. Seems like that's fueling the fire rather than quenching it. But what do I know, I'm just an old Joe Blow who only hunts his back 40. Oh no, wait a minute, I'm the guy who has to hunt the back 40 since I can't draw public in my home state but every 4th yr. And that started waaaaay before Youtube became so popular.
This post is giving me headache ... enough is enough ... IMO.... :z-flirtysmile3:
I've never watched YouTube hunting videos but it's a dang good tool to find out how to work on stuff. My experience has been that you have to watch a ton of videos there to get a grasp of who knows what the heck they are talking about. I'd have to assume you would probably have to do the same to figure out dope on the hunting public videos.
Just a few years back you'd get reamed here for implying turkey hunting public land was in any way more difficult than private.
Oh well, just a couple observations but what do I know. When one of my public spots gets "blown up" I just go elsewhere. When yall get this youtube crisis figured out how about working on how to fix the problem with yankees moving down here and then trying to make it like the hell they came from, reason they moved here to start with. ;D
Didn't read all the responses but I'll say this about telecheck. First is it is a good tool to track poachers. You wouldn't believe how many times someone checks a deer or turkey in under their wifes name or in one case I know about their infant daughter.... Neighbors see it and call the warden and someone gets a visit. I know it's a snitch system but considering there's only 1 warden per county and some counties have 0 they'll take all the help they can get.
Second, I've used telecheck to monitor public land I hunt. If I work a bird in the morning and dont kill him and can't go back that afternoon I'll watch entries for the next few days to see if a bird gets tagged from the same place.
I guess last is I don't mind the out of state guys having access to info because in all honesty those numbers are just that and don't provide any real context to what's going on on the ground. The system might show 20 birds killed on one area but is that area 2000 acres with high bird density or 20000 acres with very low density and high pressure... Imo people can cyber scout all they want but they'll never know until they put boots on the ground.
Most of the shows I watch like the hunting public which is one of the few shows I actually like will say what state they're in or even maybe the general area but I've never seen them blow a spot up by giving directions. And yes if someone wants to do their research and connect dots good for them, but again they'll imo they'll have to do the leg work like everyone else to be successful.
YouTube, state forums, blogs....
It's all the same. You mention a "place" and you have exposed that area. Can't blame one when you've done the other for your own reasons. Every time I see a "where" and see my public ground mention I know it won't be long. Add a few pics and a successful hunt and that number doubles.
Went from competing against 1 to 4 hunters to 40 a yr. Seriously and many are from forums. All in part to the internet. Easily searched and lord help u if u know the name of the person.
Better pounce and get greedy. Those of u that enjoyed the the chase will be chasing the past for years to come. The times of past of enjoying the hunt are over, it's a click, pic day and time.
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This post is giving me headache ... enough is enough ... IMO.... :z-flirtysmile3:
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100% TRUTH..... enough is enough with the stupidity on social media.
So you had to kick it back to the top again 3 hours after the last post? :icon_thumright:
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So you had to kick it back to the top again 3 hours after the last post? :icon_thumright:
At #2, it wasn't buried down the list of threads. Dos.
I get it. Some don't want to talk about or admit there is an elephant in the room.
Well that ain't me pal. I don't mind the griping, if it ain't this it'll be something else. On a good note, it's deer season and there's stuff to shoot.
I Hunt Public Dirt. I am just Hoping,I never see a Truck roll into my Parking area at 2 Hours before and 2 to 4 Men step out with Camera Equipment, Mountain Bikes, and Headlamps. I am going to Bike or Walk in before,I want to without a word. And hope,I don't see 2 to 4 Flashlights 30 minutes later.