was in my local wally world this evening and they had some of this out on display
12ga 3" 1-7/8oz #4's and 6's
20ga 3" 1-1/4oz #5's
no flite control wads
similar to the turkey thugs load, unplated lead shot. goldhunter posted a comparison on here of the two when thugs first came out, he cut open the shells. Can't remember but there was a slight difference.
Used the 3.5" 4 shot years ago while looking for a replacement for the Grand Slam load .
They did good but not as good as Grand Slams .
Even though Federal Rep said they were the same load?