https://www.wjtv.com/news/state/spring-turkey-season-changes-proposed-for-non-residents-in-mississippi/amp/
Looks like loose lips have done it again. Thanks youtubers. Where will hunting opportunity be lost next as a result? Gotta have that hunter recruitment......you know. For the sport
Coupled with the Bama and GA public land changes, going to be a lot of diverted traveling hunters. I predict FL and TN are going to get NASTY next spring! But maybe that's what TWRA wants since they partnered with THP? Speaking of THP, they put north Florida on the radar at the perfect time.
Glad to see a state looking out for its residents!
Sorry but from i just read i see no change in the MS. laws.
MISSISSIPPI COMMISSION ON WILDLIFE, FISHERIES, AND PARKS
MISSISSIPPI DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE, FISHERIES, AND PARKS
Title 40: Wildlife, Fisheries, and Parks
Part 2: Wildlife
Part 2, Chapter 3: Turkey
RULE 3.1 WILD TURKEY SEASONS AND BAG LIMITS.
A. Spring Season: March 15 - May 1, unless March 15 falls on a Sunday and the season
shall be March 14 – May 1.
B. Non-Resident Draw Hunt
1. All non-residents must be drawn to hunt open public lands from March 15
– March 28.
2. Open public lands include National Forests, National Wildlife Refuges,
Corps of Engineers lands, etc., that have statewide seasons without special regulations. This
includes MDWFP-operated Wildlife Management Areas (WMA) that are open with no special
season or draw hunts during this time.
For now, the proposed rule is in a 30-day comment period and is set for final adoption at the August Commission meeting
That is a great rule and hopefully adapted to all states will implement the same type rules.
Georgia just chose to put the restriction on everyone instead of NR hunters. I really wish the GA DNR would have went this route and limited NR hunters and restrict them to 1 bird.
Instead they went with a later opener, took away a gobbler from the limit and limited to 1 bird a day.
I think it sucks, especially if I am on a several day hunt and kill one right after daylight.
A friend and I were just talking today about the possibility of changes like this proposal coming at some point, probably sooner rather than later. I told him we were extremely fortunate to have been able to hunt for 3 decades leading up to what it has become the last few years. I'm hopeful for a better future at some point, but realistically think the "good ole days" are gone for good. The social media driven world we live in has been and will continue to be the downfall. I sure hope I'm proven wrong.
If this goes into effect I agree others will follow suite with limiting access to out of state hunters and increase in draw hunts for residents. I just wish more would wake up and realize this can't continue. These proposed changes won't be about the result of declines in populations, they will be the result of irresponsibility on Facebook, YouTube, forums, and other slips of the tongue. Such a shame.
Quote from: Sixes on July 22, 2021, 11:39:39 PM
Georgia just chose to put the restriction on everyone instead of NR hunters. I really wish the GA DNR would have went this route and limited NR hunters and restrict them to 1 bird.
Instead they went with a later opener, took away a gobbler from the limit and limited to 1 bird a day.
I think it sucks, especially if I am on a several day hunt and kill one right after daylight.
That's really what I was hoping for was 1 bird cap on non res, but im not gonna complain. I see this as a positive change no doubt about it.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on July 22, 2021, 11:53:40 PM
A friend and I were just talking today about the possibility of changes like this proposal coming at some point, probably sooner rather than later. I told him we were extremely fortunate to have been able to hunt for 3 decades leading up to what it has become the last few years. I'm hopeful for a better future at some point, but realistically think the "good ole days" are gone for good. The social media driven world we live in has been and will continue to be the downfall. I sure hope I'm proven wrong.
If this goes into effect I agree others will follow suite with limiting access to out of state hunters and increase in draw hunts for residents. I just wish more would wake up and realize this can't continue. These proposed changes won't be about the result of declines in populations, they will be the result of irresponsibility on Facebook, YouTube, forums, and other slips of the tongue. Such a shame.
I too think the good ole days are going to be impacted for a traveling turkey hunter in the very near future. The ones who took advantage of it 10-20 years ago will definitely have some good memories. Loose lips definitely sink ships.
Sucks being I've hunted ms for a long time as a NR, but after seeing the pressure the last two years something had to be done. All the traveling hunters on top of increasing resident hunters has made it packed, especially the beginning.
I wish they'd make it monetary though and put the money into more/better habitat vs keep same money virtually and less pressure. People complain about the cost to hunt until they don't even have the option, then and only then do they realize its cheap In the grand scheme. Wma stamps are wayyyyy too cheap to start for the land available to hunt.
On another note, do y'all even think the you-tubers feel any guilt/responsibility?
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Unless they are absolute sociopaths they must feel some responsibility. If they cared one bit about turkeys and turkey hunting they'd cease production immediately and delete all content. And if turkey hunters care one bit about turkeys and future turkey hunting they'd never click on a YouTube or social media chasing 49/ thunder rooster fanning etc page again. We know what got us here and change won't happen over night as it's hard to undo what's been done at this point. But I dont think all hope is lost if people would start being responsible and quit monetizing wild turkeys and needing confirmation. Hunt turkeys for you and you alone. Not for likes and $
I'm most interested in what the western states are going to do. It is easy to see that any future hunts for me will probably be on private land that is accessible with a trespass fee. I follow these post closely and try and weed out any outfitter hunts that imply they'll shuttle me out to a preplaced blind and we'll just sit there at a food plot like a deer hunt. The game is evolving quickly. Too bad.
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Quote from: joey46 on July 23, 2021, 07:04:19 AM
I'm most interested in what the western states are going to do. It is easy to see that any future hunts for me will probably be on private land that is accessible with a trespass fee. I follow these post closely and try and weed out any outfitter hunts that imply they'll shuttle me out to a preplaced blind and we'll just sit there at a food plot like a deer hunt. The game is evolving quickly. Too bad.
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I feel they in trouble out west. Them birds can't adapt to pressure fast enough and that's where all the newbies who struggle to kill will flock to because of the higher success
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As much as I use to enjoy watching THP and Pinhoti I feel they are pretty damn responsible for all of this mess in the past few years. And states have actually paid THP to promote hunting and over the counter tags in their states.
Not taking up for the you tubers what so ever , but my region of ms was being pounded by non res way before you tubers showed up . I've got mixed feelings about this new proposal. While I'm very pleased to see " something " being done . If I had my say , push opener back a week , drop limit back to 2 and actually in force no feeder hunting .
Hunted MS the past two years early as NR hunter because I temporarily lived right on the MS/TN line. Something had to be done. Not only did they charge like 400 bucks to do a 10 day+ nonresident tag or something along those lines, but the hunting was absolute two years in a row. My buddy was in disbelief when he had a bird come in wanting to die at 930 one morning after he and I heard less than 5 gobbles in two years. The thing was loaded up with corn, so someone had been baiting around holly springs. I don't necessarily want to bag on Mississippi guys, but that state has a whole lot of problems and I'm assuming the MS DNR didn't mind the extra 50k (or however much) they were making as a result of opening up in mid March. I think I've seen more Arkansas trucks than Mississippi trucks in Mississippi .
As for troubles up north and out west, we might be okay just from the standpoint that in May, a lot of guys who would be traveling from down south are done thinking about turkeys when we're just getting started
I have been following this Thread with interest.
How does all that hunter recruitment look like now?
There's a few of us that saw this coming and tried to say something.
It is almost mirroring what happened to Arkansas duck hunting.
Thanks THP, Dave, and all the rest of you chest beating social media heroes for your contribution to the sport....
In reading the responses it appears that some are far more in touch with their inner green monster of those that have the money and time to travel and far less concerned with actual facts like total number of hunters vs success ratios. Don't see too many upset with fleecing NR hunters with obscenely high fees. Venting like a bunch of jealous Karens. Harvest numbers are not the low hanging fruit compared to weather impacts on brooding, predators and disease. Those ideas are not limited to defined restrictions as hunters are obligated to abide by. Very little mention of poaching. In NY the NYSDEC still uses a fudge factor of two birds are taken illegally for every one that is tagged an reported legally...
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/352-the-rise-in-nonresident-turkey-hunting-license-sales/id859529852?i=1000530467595
Mooky......when you have the time listen to this podcast. It'll help understand what many of us that travel extensively and have for years have been trying to warn about.
Quote from: mookyj on July 30, 2021, 10:56:38 PM
In reading the responses it appears that some are far more in touch with their inner green monster of those that have the money and time to travel and far less concerned with actual facts like total number of hunters vs success ratios. Don't see too many upset with fleecing NR hunters with obscenely high fees. Venting like a bunch of jealous Karens. Harvest numbers are not the low hanging fruit compared to weather impacts on brooding, predators and disease. Those ideas are not limited to defined restrictions as hunters are obligated to abide by. Very little mention of poaching. In NY the NYSDEC still uses a fudge factor of two birds are taken illegally for every one that is tagged an reported legally...
Maybe you should listen to the podcast in the thread, "The numbers don't
lie". Maybe then you'll see some numbers that will open your eyes to the
damage that is being done. Listen to the stats of hunter numbers and
success ratios. I think most of the people that have posted truly care
about the wild turkey.
You say they all sound like a bunch of jealous Karen's, you sound like
another uninformed Biden voter.
Quote from: Jimspur on July 30, 2021, 11:18:21 PM
Quote from: mookyj on July 30, 2021, 10:56:38 PM
In reading the responses it appears that some are far more in touch with their inner green monster of those that have the money and time to travel and far less concerned with actual facts like total number of hunters vs success ratios. Don't see too many upset with fleecing NR hunters with obscenely high fees. Venting like a bunch of jealous Karens. Harvest numbers are not the low hanging fruit compared to weather impacts on brooding, predators and disease. Those ideas are not limited to defined restrictions as hunters are obligated to abide by. Very little mention of poaching. In NY the NYSDEC still uses a fudge factor of two birds are taken illegally for every one that is tagged an reported legally...
Maybe you should listen to the podcast in the thread, "The numbers don't
lie". Maybe then you'll see some numbers that will open your eyes to the
damage that is being done. Listen to the stats of hunter numbers and
success ratios. I think most of the people that have posted truly care
about the wild turkey.
You say they all sound like a bunch of jealous Karen's, you sound like
another uninformed Biden voter.
Dumb as a brick... harvest numbers are a fraction of the mortality estimates. Thanks, I'll stick with direct reports from biologists, not internet opinions. Calling me a Biden voter is good for a fat lip.
Quote from: mookyj on July 30, 2021, 10:56:38 PM
In reading the responses it appears that some are far more in touch with their inner green monster of those that have the money and time to travel and far less concerned with actual facts like total number of hunters vs success ratios. Don't see too many upset with fleecing NR hunters with obscenely high fees. Venting like a bunch of jealous Karens. Harvest numbers are not the low hanging fruit compared to weather impacts on brooding, predators and disease. Those ideas are not limited to defined restrictions as hunters are obligated to abide by. Very little mention of poaching. In NY the NYSDEC still uses a fudge factor of two birds are taken illegally for every one that is tagged an reported legally...
Don't bring money into this as if we are jealous of youtubers. Find something else to hang your hat on bud.
Quote from: mookyj on July 30, 2021, 11:31:45 PM
Quote from: Jimspur on July 30, 2021, 11:18:21 PM
Quote from: mookyj on July 30, 2021, 10:56:38 PM
In reading the responses it appears that some are far more in touch with their inner green monster of those that have the money and time to travel and far less concerned with actual facts like total number of hunters vs success ratios. Don't see too many upset with fleecing NR hunters with obscenely high fees. Venting like a bunch of jealous Karens. Harvest numbers are not the low hanging fruit compared to weather impacts on brooding, predators and disease. Those ideas are not limited to defined restrictions as hunters are obligated to abide by. Very little mention of poaching. In NY the NYSDEC still uses a fudge factor of two birds are taken illegally for every one that is tagged an reported legally...
Maybe you should listen to the podcast in the thread, "The numbers don't
lie". Maybe then you'll see some numbers that will open your eyes to the
damage that is being done. Listen to the stats of hunter numbers and
success ratios. I think most of the people that have posted truly care
about the wild turkey.
You say they all sound like a bunch of jealous Karen's, you sound like
another uninformed Biden voter.
Dumb as a brick... harvest numbers are a fraction of the mortality estimates. Thanks, I'll stick with direct reports from biologists, not internet opinions. Calling me a Biden voter is good for a fat lip.
It's not just harvest numbers they're talking about - they're talking about
hunter numbers detracting from the hunting experience you moron.
Another internet tough guy - I'd like to see you give me a fat lip.
Dumb as a brick... harvest numbers are a fraction of the mortality estimates. Thanks, I'll stick with direct reports from biologists, not internet opinions. Calling me a Biden voter is good for a fat lip.
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It's not just harvest numbers they're talking about - they're talking about
hunter numbers detracting from the hunting experience you moron.
Another internet tough guy - I'd like to see you give me a fat lip.
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Funny read, self projecting about internet tough guy.... sounds like I hurt your feelings, hopefully I'll get over it. Calling anyone a Biden voter is asking for a whooping, is that too hard for you Karen?
Quote from: mookyj on July 30, 2021, 11:48:16 PM
Dumb as a brick... harvest numbers are a fraction of the mortality estimates. Thanks, I'll stick with direct reports from biologists, not internet opinions. Calling me a Biden voter is good for a fat lip.
It's not just harvest numbers they're talking about - they're talking about
hunter numbers detracting from the hunting experience you moron.
Another internet tough guy - I'd like to see you give me a fat lip.
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Funny read, self projecting about internet tough guy.... sounds like I hurt your feelings, hopefully I'll get over it. Calling anyone a Biden voter is asking for an whooping, is that too hard for you Karen?
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What's funny to me is you come on all tough in your post calling people
names, and when somebody calls you a name you get very angry.
Maybe if you posted and conversed respectfully, you'd be treated with
respect.
Wow, that Biden voter comment really hurt you.
Why is it that what I say means so much to you, yet what you say means
so little to me?
It's not just harvest numbers they're talking about - they're talking about
hunter numbers detracting from the hunting experience you moron.
Another internet tough guy - I'd like to see you give me a fat lip.
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Funny read, self projecting about internet tough guy.... sounds like I hurt your feelings, hopefully I'll get over it. Calling anyone a Biden voter is asking for an whooping, is that too hard for you Karen?
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What's funny to me is you come on all tough in your post calling people
names, and when somebody calls you a name you get very angry.
Maybe if you posted and conversed respectfully, you'd be treated with
respect.
Wow, that Biden voter comment really hurt you.
Why is it that what I say means so much to you, yet what you say means
so little to me?
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Wow, so sad, seems like a little time on the comfy couch would help with all this insightful interpretations and all. I just think your lacking... Sorry but the envious postings is fair game for criticism as your lack of mental acuity. I do enjoy the rent free space in your head though. Goodnight Karen!
Soooo , tell me more about this fat lipped gal named Karen ??
Wow, so sad, seems like a little time on the comfy couch would help with all this insightful interpretations and all. I just think your lacking... Sorry but the envious postings is fair game for criticism as your lack of mental acuity. I do enjoy the rent free space in your head though. Goodnight Karen!
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For someone who is a self-proclaimed,
"Professional // Outdoor Writer/Author", you are sorely lacking in the
ability to present and communicate your points respectfully.
You come across as an angry know-it-all that thinks they're smarter
than everyone else.
You probably voted for Cuomo too! :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
Someone explain Arkansas to me and I'll start to believe some of this other stuff. Lots of states headed down the road Arkansas started down 15 years ago and nobody can explain Arkansas. I think there's a bigger problem than YouTube and social media. We might need to check our focus
Here's a good interview explaining some of the things that have and are happening in Arkansas.
https://www.theturkeyhunterpodcast.com/e/346-possible-progress-in-arkansas-with-jeremy-wood/
Quote from: Jimspur on July 31, 2021, 08:07:32 AM
Wow, so sad, seems like a little time on the comfy couch would help with all this insightful interpretations and all. I just think your lacking... Sorry but the envious postings is fair game for criticism as your lack of mental acuity. I do enjoy the rent free space in your head though. Goodnight Karen!
For someone who is a self-proclaimed,
"Professional // Outdoor Writer/Author", you are sorely lacking in the
ability to present and communicate your points respectfully.
You come across as an angry know-it-all that thinks they're smarter
than everyone else.
You probably voted for Cuomo too! :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
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Karen, the self projecting is a little old at this point. Cuomo? Does this mean dating is out of the question? Haven't voted for a democrat in 41 years, even then my assemblyman was a pro sportsmen's advocate. Nice try. I see that I still have rent free space in that little head of yours. Lot of anger coming from you. Move along little girl...
You're just another blowhard "Industry Insider" with an overinflated
opinion of himself, who thinks his opinions are more valid than anyone
else's. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I'll bet your momma gave you that cute little name Mooky. My momma
gave me a cute little name when I was a baby too, but unlike you I
dropped it when I got older.
Dating is definitely out of the question - I only date real men, not soy boy
writer types.
Your so cute when you're angry Mooky!
Quote from: Shiloh on July 31, 2021, 10:49:28 AM
Someone explain Arkansas to me and I'll start to believe some of this other stuff. Lots of states headed down the road Arkansas started down 15 years ago and nobody can explain Arkansas. I think there's a bigger problem than YouTube and social media. We might need to check our focus
Some things I suspect in no particular order of importance as I believe all play a part.
1. More consistent spring rain that's hard on both poults and nesting hens.
2. Population boom after stocking due to less predators both human and others. That reversed in time
3. Booming predator population due to fur prices plummeting and deer baiting/corn. The falling fur price charts and low poult recruitment charts are nearly exactly the same. So they are very much related and a major problem.
4. Outlaw / Arkansas hunting culture - intense pressure. Little regard for limits. No tagging methods with any teeth
5. Lack of quality habitat/farming practices
6. Disease of some kind/and possibly a link to chicken litter scattered on fields throughout arkansas. Tyson/ConAgra/pilgrims pride etc. arkansas is chicken country
Nobody who cares about wild turkeys believes YouTube is solely to blame for the issues / declines in wild turkey. But I believe YouTube hunting channels are the wrong thing at the wrong time for wild turkeys. Especially when pushed by state dnr departments. Adding 40-50% more hunters to a strained resource will have a negative impact that requires restrictive regulations as a result. This is crystal clear and undeniable as it's played out before us. Where do we go from here.....that's the question because down the same road we are on spells disaster for wild turkeys.
Quote from: arkrem870 on July 31, 2021, 12:55:17 PM
Quote from: Shiloh on July 31, 2021, 10:49:28 AM
Someone explain Arkansas to me and I'll start to believe some of this other stuff. Lots of states headed down the road Arkansas started down 15 years ago and nobody can explain Arkansas. I think there's a bigger problem than YouTube and social media. We might need to check our focus
Some things I suspect in no particular order of importance as I believe all play a part.
1. More consistent spring rain that's hard on both poults and nesting hens.
2. Population boom after stocking due to less predators both human and others. That reversed in time
3. Booming predator population due to fur prices plummeting and deer baiting/corn. The falling fur price charts and low poult recruitment charts are nearly exactly the same. So they are very much related and a major problem.
4. Outlaw / Arkansas hunting culture - intense pressure. Little regard for limits. No tagging methods with any teeth
5. Lack of quality habitat/farming practices
6. Disease of some kind/and possibly a link to chicken litter scattered on fields throughout arkansas. Tyson/ConAgra/pilgrims pride etc. arkansas is chicken country
Nobody who cares about wild turkeys believes YouTube is solely to blame for the issues / declines in wild turkey. But I believe YouTube hunting channels are the wrong thing at the wrong time for wild turkeys. Especially when pushed by state dnr departments. Adding 40-50% more hunters to a strained resource will have a negative impact that requires restrictive regulations as a result. This is crystal clear and undeniable as it's played out before us. Where do we go from here.....that's the question because down the same road we are on spells disaster for wild turkeys.
This is problem in MS. Except the hunting pressure goes up like 50-65% until end of March. For first 1/3 of season the hunting pressure from out of state is enormous. LA, MS, TN, AL and AR hunters all hunting for 2 weeks in MS. Lots and lots of out of state hunters
I think hunters in MS trying to avoid ending up with problems like LA and AR
I don't care about people going to other states but my opinion is MS needs to push season back like surrounding states.
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Quote from: arkrem870 on July 31, 2021, 12:55:17 PM
Quote from: Shiloh on July 31, 2021, 10:49:28 AM
Someone explain Arkansas to me and I'll start to believe some of this other stuff. Lots of states headed down the road Arkansas started down 15 years ago and nobody can explain Arkansas. I think there's a bigger problem than YouTube and social media. We might need to check our focus
Some things I suspect in no particular order of importance as I believe all play a part.
1. More consistent spring rain that's hard on both poults and nesting hens.
2. Population boom after stocking due to less predators both human and others. That reversed in time
3. Booming predator population due to fur prices plummeting and deer baiting/corn. The falling fur price charts and low poult recruitment charts are nearly exactly the same. So they are very much related and a major problem.
4. Outlaw / Arkansas hunting culture - intense pressure. Little regard for limits. No tagging methods with any teeth
5. Lack of quality habitat/farming practices
6. Disease of some kind/and possibly a link to chicken litter scattered on fields throughout arkansas. Tyson/ConAgra/pilgrims pride etc. arkansas is chicken country
Nobody who cares about wild turkeys believes YouTube is solely to blame for the issues / declines in wild turkey. But I believe YouTube hunting channels are the wrong thing at the wrong time for wild turkeys. Especially when pushed by state dnr departments. Adding 40-50% more hunters to a strained resource will have a negative impact that requires restrictive regulations as a result. This is crystal clear and undeniable as it's played out before us. Where do we go from here.....that's the question because down the same road we are on spells disaster for wild turkeys.
Hey Ark - I agree with all the different points you made. If you look at
the overall picture for turkeys, it's hard, if not impossible, to find one
thing that turkeys have going for them.
We as humans always think we can rationalize and figure out where
things are going wrong, and sometimes we can.
When I look at what Arkansas has done, with little effect, this might be
the new normal, and all the regulations changes in the world aren't
going to be enough. I hope that's not the case.
Quote from: arkrem870 on July 31, 2021, 12:55:17 PM
Quote from: Shiloh on July 31, 2021, 10:49:28 AM
Someone explain Arkansas to me and I'll start to believe some of this other stuff. Lots of states headed down the road Arkansas started down 15 years ago and nobody can explain Arkansas. I think there's a bigger problem than YouTube and social media. We might need to check our focus
Some things I suspect in no particular order of importance as I believe all play a part.
1. More consistent spring rain that's hard on both poults and nesting hens.
2. Population boom after stocking due to less predators both human and others. That reversed in time
3. Booming predator population due to fur prices plummeting and deer baiting/corn. The falling fur price charts and low poult recruitment charts are nearly exactly the same. So they are very much related and a major problem.
4. Outlaw / Arkansas hunting culture - intense pressure. Little regard for limits. No tagging methods with any teeth
5. Lack of quality habitat/farming practices
6. Disease of some kind/and possibly a link to chicken litter scattered on fields throughout arkansas. Tyson/ConAgra/pilgrims pride etc. arkansas is chicken country
Nobody who cares about wild turkeys believes YouTube is solely to blame for the issues / declines in wild turkey. But I believe YouTube hunting channels are the wrong thing at the wrong time for wild turkeys. Especially when pushed by state dnr departments. Adding 40-50% more hunters to a strained resource will have a negative impact that requires restrictive regulations as a result. This is crystal clear and undeniable as it's played out before us. Where do we go from here.....that's the question because down the same road we are on spells disaster for wild turkeys.
As a fellow Arkansan, this is spot on. 100% great post.
Turkey hunters are going to have to look into the mirror and decide if they choose to be a good responsible steward for the resource moving forward or not. Social media practices better be a part of the focus. The future of turkey populations and turkey hunting depend on it. It's that simple.
Not sure what the problem is. I am hearing that there are some studies on heavily managed, large private properties that are showing population declines similar to public lands.
I know that social media is an issue, but it is only one issue. This doesn't mean we shouldn't try to deal with it, but I don't think it's THE issue. One thing I know though is social media isn't going anywhere. We should work with the influencers to see if there is middle ground that could benefit everyone and the resource.
Quote from: Paulmyr on July 31, 2021, 11:51:13 AM
Here's a good interview explaining some of the things that have and are happening in Arkansas.
https://www.theturkeyhunterpodcast.com/e/346-possible-progress-in-arkansas-with-jeremy-wood/
I know I'm quoting myself but if you guys Ark guys haven't listened to this podcast I highly recommend it. The interview is with the person in charge for the last 3 years of managing your turkey population. They cover a range of topics involved in the management efforts over the last 15 or so years, mistakes and accomplishments. It is really an enlightening interview even for a guy from MN.
I plan to listen to that one next time I'm on the excavator or tractor. I'm interested in what they say on Arkansas.
Quote from: Shiloh on July 31, 2021, 09:14:12 PM
I plan to listen to that one next time I'm on the excavator or tractor. I'm interested in what they say on Arkansas.
I don't do the radio or podcast when I'm in the Ex. Utilities, got guys in the trench, need to stay focused.
Well.......I'll be digging stumps for a new food plot with nobody around, so it shouldn't be an issue. I call it therapy ????
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Quote from: arkrem870 on July 22, 2021, 09:27:30 PM
https://www.wjtv.com/news/state/spring-turkey-season-changes-proposed-for-non-residents-in-mississippi/amp/
Looks like loose lips have done it again. Thanks youtubers. Where will hunting opportunity be lost next as a result? Gotta have that hunter recruitment......you know. For the sport
Not that I am for or against youtubers that post ETHICAL hunts, but how do you equate this to them when I have been reading about how great turkey hunting is there since the early to mid 90's?
Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 01, 2021, 04:40:28 PM
Quote from: arkrem870 on July 22, 2021, 09:27:30 PM
https://www.wjtv.com/news/state/spring-turkey-season-changes-proposed-for-non-residents-in-mississippi/amp/
Looks like loose lips have done it again. Thanks youtubers. Where will hunting opportunity be lost next as a result? Gotta have that hunter recruitment......you know. For the sport
Not that I am for or against youtubers that post ETHICAL hunts, but how do you equate this to them when I have been reading about how great turkey hunting is there since the early to mid 90's?
Not directed at me, but in my opinion it's simple math. Social media is now in the palm of your hands, accessible 24/7 to millions. Look at how many subscribers on YouTube or Facebook some of them have. Look at all the FB hunting groups that share information. It's not comparable to print and it's another level way above forums. One of the most well known lists 378,000 YouTube Subscribers. One video of state specific public turkey hunts show to have been viewed 200,000 times. That's just one of many videos, and that's just one group. Do the math.
It's going to be a trickle down effect with other states following suit.
The sport of turkey hunting cannot handle the increase of hunters like it is experiencing. I'm sorry- it just can't. We do not need more hunters. Plain and simple.
So far- it's mainly the southern states affected. But for those of you around the country- this is headed your way soon if something isn't done.
Kentucky is eye balling season changes and have heard Ohio is also.
As more and more states see the hunter numbers increase, we will see more regs as a result.
More hunters does not mean more turkeys.
Quote from: silent tom on August 01, 2021, 07:30:19 PM
It's going to be a trickle down effect with other states following suit.
The sport of turkey hunting cannot handle the increase of hunters like it is experiencing. I'm sorry- it just can't. We do not need more hunters. Plain and simple.
So far- it's mainly the southern states affected. But for those of you around the country- this is headed your way soon if something isn't done.
Kentucky is eye balling season changes and have heard Ohio is also.
As more and more states see the hunter numbers increase, we will see more regs as a result.
More hunters does not mean more turkeys.
But but, it means more to go around and average with everyone.
You know, we have to leave some birds as participation kills for newbies
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Quote from: El Pavo Grande on August 01, 2021, 05:48:17 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 01, 2021, 04:40:28 PM
Quote from: arkrem870 on July 22, 2021, 09:27:30 PM
https://www.wjtv.com/news/state/spring-turkey-season-changes-proposed-for-non-residents-in-mississippi/amp/
Looks like loose lips have done it again. Thanks youtubers. Where will hunting opportunity be lost next as a result? Gotta have that hunter recruitment......you know. For the sport
Not that I am for or against youtubers that post ETHICAL hunts, but how do you equate this to them when I have been reading about how great turkey hunting is there since the early to mid 90's?
Not directed at me, but in my opinion it's simple math. Social media is now in the palm of your hands, accessible 24/7 to millions. Look at how many subscribers on YouTube or Facebook some of them have. Look at all the FB hunting groups that share information. It's not comparable to print and it's another level way above forums. One of the most well known lists 378,000 YouTube Subscribers. One video of state specific public turkey hunts show to have been viewed 200,000 times. That's just one of many videos, and that's just one group. Do the math.
I would argue that books and magazines get passed from person to person, I know mine get read by multiple people and I know of others that do the same and that has been going on since print has been available to the masses.
I do agree that videos are easier to watch than reading a book is and thus is done more these days, I see few that still read and that is truly sad but to blame one thing for the problems without acknowledging the others is foolish at best. It reminds me of those that want to blame violence on video games or any form of music that is not Classical.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on August 01, 2021, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: silent tom on August 01, 2021, 07:30:19 PM
It's going to be a trickle down effect with other states following suit.
The sport of turkey hunting cannot handle the increase of hunters like it is experiencing. I'm sorry- it just can't. We do not need more hunters. Plain and simple.
So far- it's mainly the southern states affected. But for those of you around the country- this is headed your way soon if something isn't done.
Kentucky is eye balling season changes and have heard Ohio is also.
As more and more states see the hunter numbers increase, we will see more regs as a result.
More hunters does not mean more turkeys.
But but, it means more to go around and average with everyone.
You know, we have to leave some birds as participation kills for newbies
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I am not sure I understand this statement, surely if it helps to conserve (Not preserve) the wild turkey and any game animal why would lowering a limit not be a wise idea? I see people say there is nothing that shows it helps, but I have seen nothing that shows it does not help at all. I am not talking about stopping people from hunting multiple states, have at it, I am talking about states that are complaining about lack of population and still allow more than two birds and killing hens. Viewing your statement from that aspect makes your comment come off as {Forget the other hunters and forget the turkey, so long and I get mine I will hunt them to extinction.} I hope I misunderstand.
Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 02, 2021, 10:23:43 AM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on August 01, 2021, 05:48:17 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 01, 2021, 04:40:28 PM
Quote from: arkrem870 on July 22, 2021, 09:27:30 PM
https://www.wjtv.com/news/state/spring-turkey-season-changes-proposed-for-non-residents-in-mississippi/amp/
Looks like loose lips have done it again. Thanks youtubers. Where will hunting opportunity be lost next as a result? Gotta have that hunter recruitment......you know. For the sport
Not that I am for or against youtubers that post ETHICAL hunts, but how do you equate this to them when I have been reading about how great turkey hunting is there since the early to mid 90's?
Not directed at me, but in my opinion it's simple math. Social media is now in the palm of your hands, accessible 24/7 to millions. Look at how many subscribers on YouTube or Facebook some of them have. Look at all the FB hunting groups that share information. It's not comparable to print and it's another level way above forums. One of the most well known lists 378,000 YouTube Subscribers. One video of state specific public turkey hunts show to have been viewed 200,000 times. That's just one of many videos, and that's just one group. Do the math.
I would argue that books and magazines get passed from person to person, I know mine get read by multiple people and I know of others that do the same and that has been going on since print has been available to the masses.
I do agree that videos are easier to watch than reading a book is and thus is done more these days, I see few that still read and that is truly sad but to blame one thing for the problems without acknowledging the others is foolish at best. It reminds me of those that want to blame violence on video games or any form of music that is not Classical.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on August 01, 2021, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: silent tom on August 01, 2021, 07:30:19 PM
It's going to be a trickle down effect with other states following suit.
The sport of turkey hunting cannot handle the increase of hunters like it is experiencing. I'm sorry- it just can't. We do not need more hunters. Plain and simple.
So far- it's mainly the southern states affected. But for those of you around the country- this is headed your way soon if something isn't done.
Kentucky is eye balling season changes and have heard Ohio is also.
As more and more states see the hunter numbers increase, we will see more regs as a result.
More hunters does not mean more turkeys.
But but, it means more to go around and average with everyone.
You know, we have to leave some birds as participation kills for newbies
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I am not sure I understand this statement, surely if it helps to conserve (Not preserve) the wild turkey and any game animal why would lowering a limit not be a wise idea? I see people say there is nothing that shows it helps, but I have seen nothing that shows it does not help at all. I am not talking about stopping people from hunting multiple states, have at it, I am talking about states that are complaining about lack of population and still allow more than two birds and killing hens. Viewing your statement from that aspect makes your comment come off as {Forget the other hunters and forget the turkey, so long and I get mine I will hunt them to extinction.} I hope I misunderstand.
No, I'm all for the wild Turkey!! I don't like being limited from what I use to have to "spread the wealth. Which is what is happening.
Less birds per person but 3x the amount of people is a net LOSS.
Your missing what's happening, these videos and states getting together brought so much new and un needed attention to the sport that now restrictions are being throw out that limit us all. All of us that's been at this LONG before people used it for Instagram picture game!
A large portion of the new hunters running around out there are the ones that really don't care about the wild Turkey, all they care about is looking cool to strangers on the Internet.
Once hunting is a "FAD" like it is now, it's over with.
Look at duck hunting in the last 10 years. I grew up duck hunting since a child and my god have the duck dynasty mud boat hunters changed the game.
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Sir-diealot,
Absolutely, irresponsible printed journals play a role as well. Even with print, I've never understood highlighting specific public land. Is it necessary? I don't think so. Share way with stories, share away with educational and instructional information, and share away with pictures. Just be responsible and don't share specific information.
I've never stated folks don't gather information from magazines or newspaper articles. But, the accessibility and the volume of information that technology has afforded social media platforms is on a much different level. I really don't know what else to say about that. Obviously it's more wide spread, but if your magazine is shared with 5 - 10 people, and consisting of 10% (?) public land highlighting. Let's say 1,000 people share magazines with 5 people, which seems high to be honest. One single state specific turkey hunting video (100% public land highlighting) was viewed (on YouTube alone, not considering other platforms) 461,000 times. Let me repeat....461,000 views. Sure, factor in a few that viewed or clicked on it more than once. That's only ONE video example. Is all comparable?? I'll stand behind the statement, "Do the math".
Quote from: sasquatch1 on August 02, 2021, 12:28:26 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 02, 2021, 10:23:43 AM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on August 01, 2021, 05:48:17 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 01, 2021, 04:40:28 PM
Quote from: arkrem870 on July 22, 2021, 09:27:30 PM
https://www.wjtv.com/news/state/spring-turkey-season-changes-proposed-for-non-residents-in-mississippi/amp/
Looks like loose lips have done it again. Thanks youtubers. Where will hunting opportunity be lost next as a result? Gotta have that hunter recruitment......you know. For the sport
Not that I am for or against youtubers that post ETHICAL hunts, but how do you equate this to them when I have been reading about how great turkey hunting is there since the early to mid 90's?
Not directed at me, but in my opinion it's simple math. Social media is now in the palm of your hands, accessible 24/7 to millions. Look at how many subscribers on YouTube or Facebook some of them have. Look at all the FB hunting groups that share information. It's not comparable to print and it's another level way above forums. One of the most well known lists 378,000 YouTube Subscribers. One video of state specific public turkey hunts show to have been viewed 200,000 times. That's just one of many videos, and that's just one group. Do the math.
I would argue that books and magazines get passed from person to person, I know mine get read by multiple people and I know of others that do the same and that has been going on since print has been available to the masses.
I do agree that videos are easier to watch than reading a book is and thus is done more these days, I see few that still read and that is truly sad but to blame one thing for the problems without acknowledging the others is foolish at best. It reminds me of those that want to blame violence on video games or any form of music that is not Classical.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on August 01, 2021, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: silent tom on August 01, 2021, 07:30:19 PM
It's going to be a trickle down effect with other states following suit.
The sport of turkey hunting cannot handle the increase of hunters like it is experiencing. I'm sorry- it just can't. We do not need more hunters. Plain and simple.
So far- it's mainly the southern states affected. But for those of you around the country- this is headed your way soon if something isn't done.
Kentucky is eye balling season changes and have heard Ohio is also.
As more and more states see the hunter numbers increase, we will see more regs as a result.
More hunters does not mean more turkeys.
But but, it means more to go around and average with everyone.
You know, we have to leave some birds as participation kills for newbies
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I am not sure I understand this statement, surely if it helps to conserve (Not preserve) the wild turkey and any game animal why would lowering a limit not be a wise idea? I see people say there is nothing that shows it helps, but I have seen nothing that shows it does not help at all. I am not talking about stopping people from hunting multiple states, have at it, I am talking about states that are complaining about lack of population and still allow more than two birds and killing hens. Viewing your statement from that aspect makes your comment come off as {Forget the other hunters and forget the turkey, so long and I get mine I will hunt them to extinction.} I hope I misunderstand.
No, I'm all for the wild Turkey!! I don't like being limited from what I use to have to "spread the wealth. Which is what is happening.
Less birds per person but 3x the amount of people is a net LOSS.
Your missing what's happening, these videos and states getting together brought so much new and un needed attention to the sport that now restrictions are being throw out that limit us all. All of us that's been at this LONG before people used it for Instagram picture game!
A large portion of the new hunters running around out there are the ones that really don't care about the wild Turkey, all they care about is looking cool to strangers on the Internet.
Once hunting is a "FAD" like it is now, it's over with.
Look at duck hunting in the last 10 years. I grew up duck hunting since a child and my god have the duck dynasty mud boat hunters changed the game.
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That makes a bit more sense to me. I do feel we are at a point we are forced to limit ourselves or we will lose them altogether like the Dodo or other things that were not managed properly and that is something I do not want to see happen. I would rather have to get one a year for 20 years than get five a year for 7 years and there be none left, that is where I am coming from. I can understand where you are getting at a bit better now and hope you understand where I am coming from as well. By the way, I do not watch much on youtube or hunting shows, I would rather watch the stuff from the 90' than what is put out now in most cases so I really probably am not seeing some of what you are talking about. I do not watch stuff on TV either because I turned my TV off after all the crap started in the NFL football was the only reason I kept TV in the first place, that and hockey and I am told that is just like the NFL now.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on August 02, 2021, 12:51:05 PM
Sir-diealot,
Absolutely, irresponsible printed journals play a role as well. Even with print, I've never understood highlighting specific public land. Is it necessary? I don't think so. Share way with stories, share away with educational and instructional information, and share away with pictures. Just be responsible and don't share specific information.
I've never stated folks don't gather information from magazines or newspaper articles. But, the accessibility and the volume of information that technology has afforded social media platforms is on a much different level. I really don't know what else to say about that. Obviously it's more wide spread, but if your magazine is shared with 5 - 10 people, and consisting of 10% (?) public land highlighting. Let's say 1,000 people share magazines with 5 people, which seems high to be honest. One single state specific turkey hunting video (100% public land highlighting) was viewed (on YouTube alone, not considering other platforms) 461,000 times. Let me repeat....461,000 views. Sure, factor in a few that viewed or clicked on it more than once. That's only ONE video example. Is all comparable?? I'll stand behind the statement, "Do the math".
I never said that you did say they did not get them from magazines, I was just using an example. Some people want to share the complete experience of their hunt, that includes where others can go to have the exact same hunt. That can have both good and bad results I fully agree. Good being bolstering to the local economy, bad being the area being over hunted or being perceived as being over hunted, I just want to see what is the best for the turkey.
I will leave the numbers to you, I honestly believe I have dyscalculia because I have had problems with numbers my entire life.
Quote from: silent tom on August 01, 2021, 07:30:19 PM
It's going to be a trickle down effect with other states following suit.
The sport of turkey hunting cannot handle the increase of hunters like it is experiencing. I'm sorry- it just can't. We do not need more hunters. Plain and simple.
So far- it's mainly the southern states affected. But for those of you around the country- this is headed your way soon if something isn't done.
Kentucky is eye balling season changes and have heard Ohio is also.
As more and more states see the hunter numbers increase, we will see more regs as a result.
More hunters does not mean more turkeys.
MORE HUNTERS DOES NOT MEAN MORE TURKEYS. THE END!!!!!!!!