I was just wondering if anybody would happen to have some old copies of Turkey and Turkey Hunting Magazine they would want to get rid of? It was always my favorite turkey publication and when I got back into hunting a few years back I was saddened to see it is not longer a monthly (or maybe it was bi-monthly) publication. Thanks for reading and let me know. Oh I know I can get them on CD but it is just like comic books, I really do not like the digital versions, I like reading them on paper.
Was a great magazine and I bought every edition until it's demise. Good luck in your search.
I have from early 90's until the end but it wouldn't be worth shipping them. The size and weight would be over $50.
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Best turkey hunting periodical ever done. I have every issue and relish looking back through them...like a time machine. I have quite a few extra copies, as already mentioned, the shipping is the killer, I'd sell em cheap just to free up space.
Before it was turkey and turkey hunting it was just Turkey magazine. I have most of them from 1984 till the Turkey and Turkey hunting and a lot of those up till they quit. Jim Casada has a website he has most every issue for sale reasonable prices but as mentioned shipping would be expensive unless you only wanted a few. His site also has the most comprehensive list of Turkey hunting books anywhere. If it has been written he has it. A good place to check the value of a book before you buy. I found an eBay listing with about 100 of the Turkey and also T&T hunting magazines I got them for about 50 cents a piece including shipping.
Quote from: Spring Creek Calls on June 30, 2020, 07:23:31 AM
Was a great magazine and I bought every edition until it's demise. Good luck in your search.
Thanks, I sure do miss it, love the biology section, it was the first thing I would read in it every issue. I wish the NWTF would have one as good as T&TH was, I have never liked the NWTF magazine to be honest, just seems flat and always has, I wish they would improve it.
Quote from: fallhnt on June 30, 2020, 08:04:10 AM
I have from early 90's until the end but it wouldn't be worth shipping them. The size and weight would be over $50.
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Yea that is the killer, hope I can maybe find a remember here in NY that has a few they would like to get rid of, they released one last Spring but not this Spring, I was told over the phone they would still do 1 or 2 a year. I simply do not understand how it went under, the best turkey publication there was as far as magazines go.
Quote from: GobbleGitr on June 30, 2020, 10:39:26 AM
Best turkey hunting periodical ever done. I have every issue and relish looking back through them...like a time machine. I have quite a few extra copies, as already mentioned, the shipping is the killer, I'd sell em cheap just to free up space.
Let me know what you have, I would try to work something out with you. You are not by chance in NY are you? Are you going to the Northeast Call Summit if it still goes on?
Quote from: LaLongbeard on June 30, 2020, 10:51:34 AM
Before it was turkey and turkey hunting it was just Turkey magazine. I have most of them from 1984 till the Turkey and Turkey hunting and a lot of those up till they quit. Jim Casada has a website he has most every issue for sale reasonable prices but as mentioned shipping would be expensive unless you only wanted a few. His site also has the most comprehensive list of Turkey hunting books anywhere. If it has been written he has it. A good place to check the value of a book before you buy. I found an eBay listing with about 100 of the Turkey and also T&T hunting magazines I got them for about 50 cents a piece including shipping.
I did not know of the other name. I was doing some searching and found a magazine called Beards and Spurs but I know nothing of them, do you? I like Jim's site, lot of neat stuff there.
Beards and Spurs was a once a year publication I've seen a few from the 90s I don't know how long they ran or what year they started.
Quote from: LaLongbeard on June 30, 2020, 11:54:22 AM
Beards and Spurs was a once a year publication I've seen a few from the 90s I don't know how long they ran or what year they started.
Thanks for the info.
I've been a subscriber of Deer and Deer Hunting for the last 6-7 years. In most of the March issues, I've seen a small article that advertises Turkey and Turkey Hunting. They put it out around March, only one issue and you can only get it from newsstands like Books a Million etc. I can't find my March issue of TTH, so I can't verify. I wish there was a publication that was devoted solely to Turkey hunting. I'd jump on board.
Oh the good ole days.
yes it was a great Magazine!
Wasn't sure they were doing the yearly spring issue any more. Then like last year I found it on ebay plus picked up some old issues as well. Great read and the best turkey mag for sure. Used to love it when turkey hunter and turkey and turkey hunting were separate magazines. Don't remember when they merged but still was much better then that other one.
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I've been a subscriber of Deer and Deer Hunting for the last 6-7 years. In most of the March issues, I've seen a small article that advertises Turkey and Turkey Hunting. They put it out around March, only one issue and you can only get it from newsstands like Books a Million etc. I can't find my March issue of TTH, so I can't verify. I wish there was a publication that was devoted solely to Turkey hunting. I'd jump on board.
I could not find it this Spring but have last Springs.
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Oh the good ole days.
Yes indeed.
Quote from: 3bailey3 on June 30, 2020, 06:28:10 PM
yes it was a great Magazine!
Sure was.
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Wasn't sure they were doing the yearly spring issue any more. Then like last year I found it on ebay plus picked up some old issues as well. Great read and the best turkey mag for sure. Used to love it when turkey hunter and turkey and turkey hunting were separate magazines. Don't remember when they merged but still was much better then that other one.
Never heard of Turkey hunter.
I like re reading the copies I have. Miss the forum also. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200701/2275ed5f447d33faba95f43e6bfe11b3.jpg)
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I like re reading the copies I have. Miss the forum also.
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Nice hat, that picture took up my entire 20" monitor though!
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Nice hat, that picture took up my entire 20" monitor though!
Wanted to make sure you saw it. Lol
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Nice hat, that picture took up my entire 20" monitor though!
Wanted to make sure you saw it. Lol
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I know I need new glasses, but I am not quite that bad yet. Actually half the hat took up my whole monitor and I could even see above the bill.
I always enjoyed those old magazines and the old Field & Stream
Quote from: Greg Massey on June 30, 2020, 09:48:16 PM
I always enjoyed those old magazines and the old Field & Stream
I also liked the old Field and Steam but have not read it in years, just did not like the way it went. I liked Outdoor Life too, I actually preferred Outdoor Life and I think a big part of that was the little stories by Patrick F. McManus, if you have never read any of his books you owe it to yourself to get a couple, they are outdoor humor when outdoor humor was still actually humorous. My favorite story by him is Poof! No eyebrows! which is in his book "Never Sniff a Gift Fish" He did another I liked that I do not recall the name of but one of the lines in it was "There are only 2 kinds of cows, Fast Mean Cows and Slow Mean Cows"
Who could forget Rancid Crabtree, "Crazie Eddie", Muldoon and, "Retch' Sweeney, first thing that I used to read when Outdoor Life arrived in the mail.
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Who could forget Rancid Crabtree, "Crazie Eddie", Muldoon and, "Retch' Sweeney, first thing that I used to read when Outdoor Life arrived in the mail.
Same here, I need to get the rest of his books, I have a few that are rather beat up because I would take them to the tree stand or hunting blinds with me that I should replace as well. I will reread the beat up ones while hunting again. Just have to remember not to LOL
I just picked up 11 issues on ebay, 1995-1997 I do not think that is a complete run for those years though.
yup, it'd be nice if we had a monthy magazine just for turkey hunters. I'd be on that like a gobbler on a june-bug!
Quote from: ShortSpurs on July 01, 2020, 05:15:42 PM
yup, it'd be nice if we had a monthy magazine just for turkey hunters. I'd be on that like a gobbler on a june-bug!
I had renewed my NWTF membership before the covid stuff started and just got my first Turkey Call or whatever it is called now in the mail today. I bought my youngest nephew a membership to the Jakes program at that time as well I hope the Jakes publication is better than the adults publication, I know the kids program is supposed to be good and he has nobody there to really teach him and his father is a waste of a sperm cell.
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I am fortunate to have the Premiere Edition of Turkey + Turkey Hunting that came out in Spring of 1991. Still in good condition too. A good article in that issue that, I will reread today is-- Fall Gobblers by Laurie Lee Dovey. I always enjoyed her Articles!
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I am fortunate to have the Premiere Edition of Turkey + Turkey Hunting that came out in Spring of 1991. Still in good condition too. A good article in that issue that, I will reread today is-- Fall Gobblers by Laurie Lee Dovey. I always enjoyed her Articles!
I wish I remembered her name but I do not, I do remember a woman that wrote for them quite regular but not by name. I started to hunt turkey about 96 or 7 I have a receipt that I found not to long ago from an NWTF event in Batavia NY which was in 98 so up until my car accident in 2001 and into 2002 is when I remember the magazine the most.
I dont have them anymore
Shirley Grenoble did some articles for Turkey and Turkey hunting. She was from PA I believe. She got shot once by another hunter. Good writer that Shirley.
Lot of good female writers back then, they never really got the credit they deserved. Not known for turkey hunting, more bow hunting but I always liked Brenda Valentine myself.
Quote from: Old Timer on July 06, 2020, 08:20:59 PM
Shirley Grenoble did some articles for Turkey and Turkey hunting. She was from PA I believe. She got shot once by another hunter. Good writer that Shirley.
I couldn't remember her name but that's her and yes she was from Pennsylvania and wrote for Turkey magazine. She was also in one of the early Primos Truth videos I think it was number 3.
Her son was shot in the face and in the same season she was shot 3 times by two hunters? Heck of a story they hit her, she's screaming and they continue to shoot? Luckily she was only hit 3 times and survived.
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Shirley Grenoble did some articles for Turkey and Turkey hunting. She was from PA I believe. She got shot once by another hunter. Good writer that Shirley.
I couldn't remember her name but that's her and yes she was from Pennsylvania and wrote for Turkey magazine. She was also in one of the early Primos Truth videos I think it was number 3.
Her son was shot in the face and in the same season she was shot 3 times by two hunters? Heck of a story they hit her, she's screaming and they continue to shoot? Luckily she was only hit 3 times and survived.
Crazy enough that both she and her son were shot but to keep on shooting when somebody is screaming? Maybe one more shot but not two! When I say maybe one more I mean maybe your finger would have the time to shoot a second time before your brain registered but two more times is shocking. Friends get on me because I am so particular about shots I take, this is why.
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Shirley Grenoble did some articles for Turkey and Turkey hunting. She was from PA I believe. She got shot once by another hunter. Good writer that Shirley.
I couldn't remember her name but that's her and yes she was from Pennsylvania and wrote for Turkey magazine. She was also in one of the early Primos Truth videos I think it was number 3.
Her son was shot in the face and in the same season she was shot 3 times by two hunters? Heck of a story they hit her, she's screaming and they continue to shoot? Luckily she was only hit 3 times and survived.
Crazy enough that both she and her son were shot but to keep on shooting when somebody is screaming? Maybe one more shot but not two! When I say maybe one more I mean maybe your finger would have the time to shoot a second time before your brain registered but two more times is shocking. Friends get on me because I am so particular about shots I take, this is why.
You can look up her story it was actually 6 shots from two idiots at the same time, only 3 hit her. Hard to believe two people could be that stupid at the same time. From what I remember they lost their hunting privileges for 5 years they should have been thrown in prison.
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Quote from: Old Timer on July 06, 2020, 08:20:59 PM
Shirley Grenoble did some articles for Turkey and Turkey hunting. She was from PA I believe. She got shot once by another hunter. Good writer that Shirley.
I couldn't remember her name but that's her and yes she was from Pennsylvania and wrote for Turkey magazine. She was also in one of the early Primos Truth videos I think it was number 3.
Her son was shot in the face and in the same season she was shot 3 times by two hunters? Heck of a story they hit her, she's screaming and they continue to shoot? Luckily she was only hit 3 times and survived.
Crazy enough that both she and her son were shot but to keep on shooting when somebody is screaming? Maybe one more shot but not two! When I say maybe one more I mean maybe your finger would have the time to shoot a second time before your brain registered but two more times is shocking. Friends get on me because I am so particular about shots I take, this is why.
You can look up her story it was actually 6 shots from two idiots at the same time, only 3 hit her. Hard to believe two people could be that stupid at the same time. From what I remember they lost their hunting privileges for 5 years they should have been thrown in prison.
That's just insane!
Subscribed and enjoyed every issue.
It sure would be nice to see the magazine return. Maybe Dave Owens and the Pinhoti Project could bring it back with the same quality of articles on hunting and the biology of wild turkeys.
GunRunner
Quote from: GunRunner on July 09, 2020, 05:54:43 PM
Subscribed and enjoyed every issue.
It sure would be nice to see the magazine return. Maybe Dave Owens and the Pinhoti Project could bring it back with the same quality of articles on hunting and the biology of wild turkeys.
GunRunner
I would love to be able to sit in on an entry level course on turkey biology. I can't remember the guys name that is getting a lot of mention right now but I look at his stuff and it mirrors a love of Lovett E. Williams, Jr.'s stuff. Not saying that the guy is stealing any of Lovett's stuff mind you, just that Lovett was that far ahead of the game that a lot of his stuff is being paralleled even today.
The most noted turkey biologist that I am aware of today and since Dr. Lovett Williams passed away is Dr. Mike Chamberlin, Wildlife Ecology and Management Professor at The University of Georgia. He like Williams specializes in wild turkey biology.
GunRunner
Quote from: GunRunner on July 10, 2020, 05:19:21 PM
The most noted turkey biologist that I am aware of today and since Dr. Lovett Williams passed away is Dr. Mike Chamberlin, Wildlife Ecology and Management Professor at The University of Georgia. He like Williams specializes in wild turkey biology.
GunRunner
Yes, that is his name, I have heard him talk a few times and seen several of his graphs and many of them look like they could have come right out of The Book of the Wild Turkey by Mr. Williams.
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Quote from: GunRunner on July 10, 2020, 05:19:21 PM
The most noted turkey biologist that I am aware of today and since Dr. Lovett Williams passed away is Dr. Mike Chamberlin, Wildlife Ecology and Management Professor at The University of Georgia. He like Williams specializes in wild turkey biology.
GunRunner
Yes, that is his name, I have heard him talk a few times and seen several of his graphs and many of them look like they could have come right out of The Book of the Wild Turkey by Mr. Williams.
Yep. I pointed out the same thing on another thread. Lovett already covered most if not all of the things he is currently speaking on. A lot of today's hunters don't know who Lovett was or that most of this guys info is either second hand from Lovett or he's wasted grant money redoing the same studies? I don't know what would be worse. What I'd like to see is ALL every last dime of any money spent on research done on the decline of the populations and what can be done. We already know how many eggs the average hen lays, and we know the statistics of the hatch survival hasn't changed since Lovett wrote about it. Hard to believe the low hatch survival of turkeys is such a "new" revelation been in print for 30 years. I wish Lovett would have made it to the podcast era only way some people get information these days.
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The most noted turkey biologist that I am aware of today and since Dr. Lovett Williams passed away is Dr. Mike Chamberlin, Wildlife Ecology and Management Professor at The University of Georgia. He like Williams specializes in wild turkey biology.
GunRunner
Yes, that is his name, I have heard him talk a few times and seen several of his graphs and many of them look like they could have come right out of The Book of the Wild Turkey by Mr. Williams.
Yep. I pointed out the same thing on another thread. Lovett already covered most if not all of the things he is currently speaking on. A lot of today's hunters don't know who Lovett was or that most of this guys info is either second hand from Lovett or he's wasted grant money redoing the same studies? I don't know what would be worse. What I'd like to see is ALL every last dime of any money spent on research done on the decline of the populations and what can be done. We already know how many eggs the average hen lays, and we know the statistics of the hatch survival hasn't changed since Lovett wrote about it. Hard to believe the low hatch survival of turkeys is such a "new" revelation been in print for 30 years. I wish Lovett would have made it to the podcast era only way some people get information these days.
I had said this both here and on Mike Chamberlin's page in the past but got no response. Honestly the graphs look close to identical and the "findings" have also been close to identical looking to Mr. Williams stuff. I have said that a couple of times on Mr. Chamerberlin's posts with no reply at all and some people belittling me and even some saying that Mr. Williams must be stealing Mr. Chamerlin's work. People just don't know what they are talking about. (Not that I do on this level at all)
By the way, back in the 70's around here you did not see many coyote, I know a set of guys that have an article that they were in for catching a coyote and that was a really big deal back in 1970 when they did that. When the fur industry got attacked you saw that impact a lot of game including the turkey as well.
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The most noted turkey biologist that I am aware of today and since Dr. Lovett Williams passed away is Dr. Mike Chamberlin, Wildlife Ecology and Management Professor at The University of Georgia. He like Williams specializes in wild turkey biology.
GunRunner
Yes, that is his name, I have heard him talk a few times and seen several of his graphs and many of them look like they could have come right out of The Book of the Wild Turkey by Mr. Williams.
Yep. I pointed out the same thing on another thread. Lovett already covered most if not all of the things he is currently speaking on. A lot of today's hunters don't know who Lovett was or that most of this guys info is either second hand from Lovett or he's wasted grant money redoing the same studies? I don't know what would be worse. What I'd like to see is ALL every last dime of any money spent on research done on the decline of the populations and what can be done. We already know how many eggs the average hen lays, and we know the statistics of the hatch survival hasn't changed since Lovett wrote about it. Hard to believe the low hatch survival of turkeys is such a "new" revelation been in print for 30 years. I wish Lovett would have made it to the podcast era only way some people get information these days.
I had said this both here and on Mike Chamberlin's page in the past but got no response. Honestly the graphs look close to identical and the "findings" have also been close to identical looking to Mr. Williams stuff. I have said that a couple of times on Mr. Chamerberlin's posts with no reply at all and some people belittling me and even some saying that Mr. Williams must be stealing Mr. Chamerlin's work. People just don't know what they are talking about. (Not that I do on this level at all)
I guess I missed that thread. No surprise though, there is a large group of "turkey hunters" that seem to think this whole thing started in 2017 lol. Most think a certain YouTuber invented the US slam and traveling turkey hunters. You know who they are when you see the open mouth stares when you ask them about Doc and his 3 going on 4 US slams. I said it before Lovetts work is going to fade into history because a lot of people nowadays can't/won't read and if it's not on YouTube or read to them S-l-o-w-l-y on a podcast they can not comprehend it.
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Quote from: GunRunner on July 10, 2020, 05:19:21 PM
The most noted turkey biologist that I am aware of today and since Dr. Lovett Williams passed away is Dr. Mike Chamberlin, Wildlife Ecology and Management Professor at The University of Georgia. He like Williams specializes in wild turkey biology.
GunRunner
Yes, that is his name, I have heard him talk a few times and seen several of his graphs and many of them look like they could have come right out of The Book of the Wild Turkey by Mr. Williams.
Yep. I pointed out the same thing on another thread. Lovett already covered most if not all of the things he is currently speaking on. A lot of today's hunters don't know who Lovett was or that most of this guys info is either second hand from Lovett or he's wasted grant money redoing the same studies? I don't know what would be worse. What I'd like to see is ALL every last dime of any money spent on research done on the decline of the populations and what can be done. We already know how many eggs the average hen lays, and we know the statistics of the hatch survival hasn't changed since Lovett wrote about it. Hard to believe the low hatch survival of turkeys is such a "new" revelation been in print for 30 years. I wish Lovett would have made it to the podcast era only way some people get information these days.
I had said this both here and on Mike Chamberlin's page in the past but got no response. Honestly the graphs look close to identical and the "findings" have also been close to identical looking to Mr. Williams stuff. I have said that a couple of times on Mr. Chamerberlin's posts with no reply at all and some people belittling me and even some saying that Mr. Williams must be stealing Mr. Chamerlin's work. People just don't know what they are talking about. (Not that I do on this level at all)
I guess I missed that thread. No surprise though, there is a large group of "turkey hunters" that seem to think this whole thing started in 2017 lol. Most think a certain YouTuber invented the US slam and traveling turkey hunters. You know who they are when you see the open mouth stares when you ask them about Doc and his 3 going on 4 US slams. I said it before Lovetts work is going to fade into history because a lot of people nowadays can't/won't read and if it's not on YouTube or read to them S-l-o-w-l-y on a podcast they can not comprehend it.
The part where the person said Mr. Williams was taking Mr. Chamberlains stuff was on Facebook and if I remember right you do not do Facebook? Here I had just made the simple comment that the stuff looked a lot like what Mr. William had done.
Have not read much of Chamberlin's work and do not do FB, but I am not at all surprised that his research mirrors William's. And you guys are on point with the population decline.....that did not just start in the last few years.
Talking about decline, I see comments about poor management and layoffs at the NWTF. Do you guys know if their habitat enhancement and restoration projects are still active and if so are they effective and making any headway?
GunRunner
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Have not read much of Chamberlin's work and do not do FB, but I am not at all surprised that his research mirrors William's. And you guys are on point with the population decline.....that did not just start in the last few years.
Talking about decline, I see comments about poor management and layoffs at the NWTF. Do you guys know if their habitat enhancement and restoration projects are still active and if so are they effective and making any headway?
GunRunner
I am sorry I do not, I had just renewed my membership and bought my youngest nephew a Jakes Membership and then Covid started, I just got in their first magazine this week but have not had to to even glance at it.