Which one so you use to spray your clothes with.
Sawyer spray does not have an odor.
Some has a petroleum odor.
Question which one do I buy.
I was fixing to buy a quart and fix my own.
What % do yall mix it too.
I use Martins 10% Permethrin and I mix 19 ounces of water to 1 ounce of permethrin. Works great and I'll watch the ticks fall off. Between turkey and deer season one bottle of Martins will last a few years. And I apply more than necessary.
I use sawyers, apply at the beginning of the season liberally then apply again halfway through the season and I am good to go.
Sawyer's. Spray straight out of the bottle.
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.5% is the norm as others have said. Sawyers is .5%. I will put Everything I wear into the woods, on a clothesline, saturate and let dry. Reapply as needed during the season. Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever and Lyme disease aren't something you want to get, so USE it. There are several of us on here that can give you first hand knowledge of these diseases.
X2 on what Lunghit says...this method works good doing it for years
Quote from: bbcoach on January 17, 2022, 07:02:59 AM
.5% is the norm as others have said. Sawyers is .5%. I will put Everything I wear into the woods, on a clothesline, saturate and let dry. Reapply as needed during the season. Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever and Lyme disease aren't something you want to get, so USE it. There are several of us on here that can give you first hand knowledge of these diseases.
I agree that's why I apply way more often than recommended and when I wash my clothes I always spray again. They say you can go a few washes between sprays but not me. If I bought Sawyers I would go through too many bottles and get real expensive.
Quote from: lunghit on January 17, 2022, 09:52:08 AM
Quote from: bbcoach on January 17, 2022, 07:02:59 AM
.5% is the norm as others have said. Sawyers is .5%. I will put Everything I wear into the woods, on a clothesline, saturate and let dry. Reapply as needed during the season. Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever and Lyme disease aren't something you want to get, so USE it. There are several of us on here that can give you first hand knowledge of these diseases.
I agree that's why I apply way more often than recommended and when I wash my clothes I always spray again. They say you can go a few washes between sprays but not me. If I bought Sawyers I would go through too many bottles and get real expensive.
I buy the 10% and mix my own as well. Way cheaper since I too use it liberally. I was just stating that Sawyers uses a .5% mix. Walmart carries Sawyers but it is about $15 per, for a 22.5 oz spray bottle. A quart of Gordons or Martins 10% permethrin is about $30 and will give you (32) 20 oz bottles of spray. I normally buy a quart and share it with my hunting buddies.
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Quote from: lunghit on January 17, 2022, 09:52:08 AM
Quote from: bbcoach on January 17, 2022, 07:02:59 AM
.5% is the norm as others have said. Sawyers is .5%. I will put Everything I wear into the woods, on a clothesline, saturate and let dry. Reapply as needed during the season. Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever and Lyme disease aren't something you want to get, so USE it. There are several of us on here that can give you first hand knowledge of these diseases.
I agree that's why I apply way more often than recommended and when I wash my clothes I always spray again. They say you can go a few washes between sprays but not me. If I bought Sawyers I would go through too many bottles and get real expensive.
I buy the 10% and mix my own as well. Way cheaper since I too use it liberally. I was just stating that Sawyers uses a .5% mix. Walmart carries Sawyers but it is about $15 per, for a 22.5 oz spray bottle. A quart of Gordons or Martins 10% permethrin is about $30 and will give you (32) 20 oz bottles of spray. I normally buy a quart and share it with my hunting buddies.
Yes I was just saying I agree with you about ticks are no joke and thats why I load up on Permethrin lol.
Sawyers prior to the season and reapply after each washing.
I agree with those here that mix their own, I do the same and you can save a pile of money.
But wait... you guys wash your turkey clothes?! ha
Sawyers is a giant waste of money boys. For a penny I woulda bought all they had. I spray it on my dogs, small game chaps, mushroom clothes, Bowhunting, turkey, fishing gear, etc. A bottle still last me years and until recently there were 6 dogs.
Quote from: Lucky Goose on January 17, 2022, 02:27:08 PM
I agree with those here that mix their own, I do the same and you can save a pile of money.
But wait... you guys wash your turkey clothes?! ha
Only the guys carry those sachets , if you're carrying a purse ya gotta be presentable and be thick skinned. Only funnin so take no offense anyone please
Only the guys carry those sachets , if you're carrying a purse ya gotta be presentable and be thick skinned. Only funnin so take no offense anyone please
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I figured with those turkey purses flopping around their waist it just beat the ticks off. ha. yea, just teasin'
That permethrin also makes a good mound drench for fireants for those of us that have to deal with them.
Quote from: Lucky Goose on January 17, 2022, 02:27:08 PM
I agree with those here that mix their own, I do the same and you can save a pile of money.
But wait... you guys wash your turkey clothes?! ha
I wash mine in Baking Soda, I won't take a chance on Ole 3 Toes smelling me and heading into the next county! LOL!
Mix up your own (1 oz Perm + 15 oz water), soak your stuff in it, lay your clothes out flat on a sheet of plastic in a well ventilated area and flip them occasionally to dry both sides. By laying your clothes out flat, it prevents the solution from running down to the lowest part that's hanging and pulling it from other areas. Once the solution has dried, you can then hang the clothes up and let them air out, if desired. I usually do mine about 2 weeks before season opens.
Not 1 tick on me in 11 years.
Cheers ;D
FullChoke
https://youtu.be/bt2pf1_pVNU
This the video I use for making my mix. Pretty easy as other have mentioned.
I normally will make a mix and dunk my clothes in it. I will put the mix in a spray bottle to use for vest and other things.
I'll do this about 2-3 weeks before the season. Then once a week I will give my clothes a quick spray down.
We got ticks heavy in Minnesota, and Lyme is very prevalent here. My boss got Lyme camping, not trying to go down that route. Luckily I seem to average about 1-2 ticks on my clothes that I find but they are all pretty much dead.
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Quote from: bbcoach on January 17, 2022, 04:10:47 PM
Quote from: Lucky Goose on January 17, 2022, 02:27:08 PM
I agree with those here that mix their own, I do the same and you can save a pile of money.
But wait... you guys wash your turkey clothes?! ha
I wash mine in Baking Soda, I won't take a chance on Ole 3 Toes smelling me and heading into the next county! LOL!
Had plenty of turkeys bumped by deer winding me. Just part of the game though.
Quote from: THattaway on January 17, 2022, 03:48:14 PM
You fellas using gallons must be dog lovers. In my experience it's been the dog owners who have the most tick problems. Have walked through a stand of sericea with a dog owner friend and when we came out the other side he had 5 ticks crawling on his pants legs while I had none.
We spray sawyers around pants legs below waist and it's a darn rare occurrence to find a tick. A bottle of sawyers will last us several seasons. It's also good for spraying on the ground around a dove stool while hunting for fire ants. They'll about tote off a dead bloody dove here.
Havent had a tick on a dog in years and they're run sometimes every day of week, minimum a few times a week all year long. Using the concentrate.
Quote from: Lucky Goose on January 17, 2022, 03:16:53 PM
Only the guys carry those sachets , if you're carrying a purse ya gotta be presentable and be thick skinned. Only funnin so take no offense anyone please
I figured with those turkey purses flopping around their waist it just beat the ticks off. ha. yea, just teasin'
That permethrin also makes a good mound drench for fireants for those of us that have to deal with them.
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We don't have fire ants but my buddy sprays beehives around his farm. I think he mighta hit some European hornet nests with them successfully as well. Don't quote me on the second one though but I believe that's what he used.
Quote from: Bowguy on January 17, 2022, 07:03:45 PM
my buddy sprays beehives around his farm.
I don't think I'd have told that.
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Thanks for all the good info. I just ordered a pint of Martins 10% Permethrin. Should end up saving a pile of money vs the Sawyers.
Quote from: lunghit on January 16, 2022, 08:52:56 PM
I use Martins 10% Permethrin and I mix 19 ounces of water to 1 ounce of permethrin. Works great and I'll watch the ticks fall off. Between turkey and deer season one bottle of Martins will last a few years. And I apply more than necessary.
It really is as simple as noted above. I place my hunting clothes on coat hangers before hanging them on tree branches and then spraying, taking them down in a few hours after they are dry. There's no odor after they dry. Every 10-14 days, I repeat the process and have not gotten a tick in years of turkey or squirrel hunting. A bottle of permethrin will last several years. Don't forget to also spray your fanny pack, turkey seat, decoy sack, game bag, or anything else that could be on the ground or carrying game.
You guys wash your camo during season? Rarely wash my outerwear.
Sawyer's 2 or 3 times per spring.
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Quote from: Dtrkyman on February 06, 2022, 08:29:38 PM
You guys wash your camo during season? Rarely wash my outerwear.
Sawyer's 2 or 3 times per spring.
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I wash my outer clothes after every use. The permethrin is not diminished but remains effective through washings up to a couple of weeks. That being said, I rotate three different sets of outer clothing, so I only wear one set once or twice during any one of the Southern Illinois five turkey seasons which average 5 to 9 days each. A different permit is required for each season with a maximum of three permits per person. I could probably get away with wearing a suit and tie since I hunt behind a 10' long camo screen which completely hides not only my clothing but hand and gun movements as well. Only my camo netted head appears above the camo screen as I relax in my turkey chair. I've even set up along an open fence row where I thought I stuck out like a sore thumb, but the incoming tom concentrated on my decoys and paid no attention to my camo netting.
I don't wash my camo through the whole season unless it gets really trashed some how.
Hunt from early April until the end of May in 4-8 states.
Base layers get washed often. I do not treat base layers but do treat socks!
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I too use the Sawyer's. It's just convenient. I usually rotate four sets of camo. I'll wash them as necessary. Usually spray them a week before the season and a couple times during. I spray hats, facemasks, base layers, coats, shirts, pants, socks, gloves, vest and boots. I also will use a Thermocell when the time allows for it. I will also spray my hands and wipe my face and neck with Repel.
I hate bugs!!!
@FullChoke nailed it and is what I came to by trial and error as well. Dipping them in a 5 gallon bucket (wear gloves) and laying them out to dry is more effective than spraying and keeps the solution even throughout the garments. UV breaks down permethrin, so you really need to dry it in the shade. I never have to touch mine up during the entire season. I pour any unused mix in a spray bottle to hit vests and other gear that are not dip friendly.
I also use Sawyers. I wash the Camo after 10 days of hunting with Sport wash and then reapply the Sawyers outside on a chair when dry. Good for another 10 days
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Quote from: Dtrkyman on February 06, 2022, 08:29:38 PM
You guys wash your camo during season? Rarely wash my outerwear.
Sawyer's 2 or 3 times per spring.
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I wash my outer clothes after every use. The permethrin is not diminished but remains effective through washings up to a couple of weeks. That being said, I rotate three different sets of outer clothing, so I only wear one set once or twice during any one of the Southern Illinois five turkey seasons which average 5 to 9 days each. A different permit is required for each season with a maximum of three permits per person. I could probably get away with wearing a suit and tie since I hunt behind a 10' long camo screen which completely hides not only my clothing but hand and gun movements as well. Only my camo netted head appears above the camo screen as I relax in my turkey chair. I've even set up along an open fence row where I thought I stuck out like a sore thumb, but the incoming tom concentrated on my decoys and paid no attention to my camo netting.
WRONG. Permethrin absolutely WILL wash away after one wash. It will also dilute to an ineffective strength if you get rain soaked enough. Just because it dries, doesnt mean it is suddenly impervious to water as it is metabolized into water. It will also lose effectiveness FAST if you leave your clothing in direct sunlight as it degrades in UV light. Know what youre talking about before typing?...
Mightyjoeyoung my can says reapply in six weeks or six launderings. Looks like you don't know what your typing.
A couple of my best friends own a mosquito spraying company and permethrin is one of the chemicals that they keep around. When I need some, I just go by and get some, they don't care.
It's nice having friends like that, one of them is in my hunting club, and he keeps our stands and camp sprayed for mosquitos as well as my backyard and pool area. But, they come over to the pool most weekends, so the spraying benefits them too.
Ticks are the one thing in the woods that concern me. I would hate to contract lyme or Alpha-gal. I'm a meat eater and that would devastating
In addition to my clothes and boots I also spray down the ground in my blind and around my blinds. This year I also sprayed the interior of the blind to help with ticks. Does not help with slugs at all though.
I spray down with sawyers a few times a season. But every hunt i spray down with swamp gator. Works pretty dang good. Knock on wood. No tick issues when spraying down. I hate ticks, grew up in Connecticut and dealt with them daily. Not as bad here in Florida but still plenty of them. I was looking for a deer a couple weeks ago before work. Pulled 2 off my pants and shirt. I knew I shouoda sprayed down before looking
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For those who dip their clothes in a solution of permethrin rather than spraying the outer surface, are there any concerns about the increased contact with the skin?
I know, it's not supposed to be toxic, but even so......
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Quote from: Neill_Prater on February 11, 2022, 11:09:15 PM
For those who dip their clothes in a solution of permethrin rather than spraying the outer surface, are there any concerns about the increased contact with the skin?
I know, it's not supposed to be toxic, but even so......
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Wear good rubber gloves while applying it. It can only get into your skin while wet and is when it is dangerous. Once it has been dried, it can not enter the skin at a significant level, even with sweat, rain, etc. I use it on all garments and socks except for underwear.
Bought some yesterday at the farm store, it says 100% permethrin, now I'm thinking I should have bought the 10% that was next to it?
Quote from: Sungrazer on February 12, 2022, 12:10:10 PM
Bought some yesterday at the farm store, it says 100% permethrin, now I'm thinking I should have bought the 10% that was next to it?
Never seen 100% permethrin. How big is the bottle?
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I told a co-worker about the 100% permetherin today and he said I must have read it wrong. He was right, 10%.
I'd better get to the eye Doctor so I can have some new eyes before Turkey season!
I contracted Falciparum Malaria on Palawan, Philippines in 1988 and it almost killed me. Malaria did kill several residents in the villages I was visiting. Malaria made me sick as I've ever been, so I go out of my way to protect against it ever happening again. Luckily for me, Falciparum is the only strain of malaria that doesn't recur.
I have been using Duration 10% permethrin concentrate for 10-12 years for hunting and travel to the other side of the world. It is highly effective against all types of mosquitoes, ticks, chiggers, and black flies. It definitely lasts through washings, walking through wet vegetation, and rainstorms. It costs around $30 and one bottle is enough to treat hunting and travel clothes for months. I get it from Travelers Supply and will continue to for the foreseeable future. It works great. I bet my life on it.
Jim
this is the stuff
https://www.chewy.com/martins-permethrin-10-multi-purpose/dp/270031?utm_source=google-product&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=12868817402&utm_content=Martin%27s&utm_term=&gclid=CjwKCAjwxOCRBhA8EiwA0X8hi5gjPLqXQq7hTJmzY3A8b01iUBANzgDtNdujKIhyedhtGzcGxnzToRoCn5cQAvD_BwE
1 to 19 in water for a .5% conc
https://sectionhiker.com/permethrin-soak-method-guide/
great info
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on February 09, 2022, 04:02:16 PM
WRONG. Permethrin absolutely WILL wash away after one wash. It will also dilute to an ineffective strength if you get rain soaked enough. Just because it dries, doesnt mean it is suddenly impervious to water as it is metabolized into water. It will also lose effectiveness FAST if you leave your clothing in direct sunlight as it degrades in UV light. Know what youre talking about before typing?...
This is simply not true. As the manufacturers suggest, permethrin can last for many weeks and several washings.
I can tell you for a fact that I've had jeans that were treated several weeks prior and washed a handful of times that continue to repel and kill ticks. I keep a spray bottle of homebrew in the truck and mist my pants before heading into the field.
I was helping a buddy in his woods one day and we both looked down and were covered in ticks. The jeans I had on were work jeans that hadn't been treated in weeks and washed several times. I watched the ticks get the crazy legs, roll over and fall off. Every one of them.
https://www.solutionsstores.com/summit-tick-flea-spray?gclid=CjwKCAjwxOCRBhA8EiwA0X8hi0k3uwfYuxzSNseBxx7reL8Qhb58caDb7FLPyvV44hzM11WiOnFzHhoC-x4QAvD_BwE#156=895
Make 25 gallons of water based permethrin for $12.99
This is by far the most odor free brand of permethrin I've ever tried and I've been mixing my own for about 10 years.
I tend to trust the manufacturer. I follow the guidelines and have had ZERO issues. I would think Sawyers know what they are talking about.
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Can sawyers be applied while hunting or does it have to be beforehand when clothes aren't on the skin?
Directions say to apply it beforehand and let clothes dry completely, and I do that with dedicated hunting clothes.
I also carry a spray bottle in the truck at all times and mist my pants occasionally through the season, or spray the pants I'm wearing if they aren't treated.
Permethin has a very low toxicity rating for humans when absorbed through the skin. It is metabolized quickly and excreted in your urine.
Regardless of its toxicity level to humans, I wouldn't recommend spraying it directly onto clothing that you're wearing. I would only recommend pretreating, and allowing it to dry.
I used Sawyer's for years, and it worked great! In the last couple of years, I've been diluting the concentrate myself and saved quite a bit of money with the same results...no ticks!
One thing I would recommend is to get a hand pump sprayer that is solely for the permethrin mix. I bought a little half gallon hand pump mister when I bought the concentrate the first time, and it made a huge difference. Easier to apply (just pump up the pressure and mist away), takes less time, and easier to spray more evenly.
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To treat scabies in humans doctors prescribe a 5% permethrin cream that you rub into your skin. That is 10X stronger directly on your skin compared to the .5% solution I mist on my pants.
I'll take my chances with permethrin over tick diseases every day.
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5964-8063/permethrin-topical/permethrin-cream-topical/details
I have lightly hit my lower pant legs with it while wearing them. Not going through pants and socks to reach skin but I pre treat all my turkey gear for the most part.
I spray down just about every morning I hunt. Just a quick mist and go. I hate ticks. I even spray my hat. Then I use a product called swamp gator to keep the gnats and mosquitoes away. Still use my thermacell once I get setup on those heavy days.
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I use Sawyers and never gave it a thought about mixing my own and saving some money. I rotate 3 sets of camo during the season and wash them frequently should they get sweaty. I liked the idea of using a 5 gal bucket to dip my clothes in and putting the leftover mixture in spay bottles.
Never gave it a thought to spray my decoy bag or where I might sit.
Thanks for the tips!