300 WM or 3/12 inch Turkey Load
What kicks harder?
With gun weight the same, the 3 1/2 turkey load by quite a bit....
Sighted in my Remington 7mm Mag last weekend. Believe it or not, it kicked less than my Super Black Eagle with 3-1/2 inch Federal Heavyweight 6's. I was pleasantly surprised......
I've shot my dad's 300 wsm, and my own 300 win mag quite a bit. And a few different shotguns with 3 1/2" a lot. I can tell you by far it comes down to the gun. Mine and my dad's Winchester model 70's don't kick as hard as my Mossberg 835 with a 3 1/2". But they kick harder than any semi auto, gas or inertia driven I've ever shot. I had a BPS 10 gauge 3 1/2" and it didn't kick as bad as my Belgium browning Auto 5 mag 12 with a 3".
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3.5 inch turkey load is 71 ft lbs of recoil 300 WM is 30.5 ft lbs.
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Luckily you can brake most of those rifles but you better not shoot one without earpro!
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I would say gun weight and fit probably has a lot to do with it for sure. I know they both will get your attention!
Turkey load blows away all my rifles. I won't even look at my Son when he shoots his because I hate to think what it's doing to my old butt when I'm behind the trigger! Shooting feathers it just rolls off me, but when on paper she's wicked!
Not only the weight of the guns but you'd have to consider the bullet weight of the 300 WM and the shot charge of the 12 ga. 3 1/2". Generally I stay away from both when I'm turkey hunting. :z-dizzy:
Try that 12 gauge 3.5" turkey load in this thing....
I did 4 times and was black and blue from my sternum to my shoulder and down my bicep. Shoot the 3" loads, and those are bad enough.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4327/35839032461_be768e3c67_z.jpg)
Quote from: paboxcall on October 08, 2021, 02:49:16 PM
Try that 12 gauge 3.5" turkey load in this thing....
I did 4 times and was black and blue from my sternum to my shoulder and down my bicep. Shoot the 3" loads, and those are bad enough.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4327/35839032461_be768e3c67_z.jpg)
Still worth it, lol. Great gun there, a classic.....
Reading all these responses is quite entertaining.........and telling at the same time.
"Recoil" is a quantitative thing. Physics has a couple of formulae that put values on the two totally measurable aspects of the back end of a gun when it's fired...............free recoil energy (measured in ft/lbs) and recoil velocity (measured in ft/sec). Plug in a few variables like gun weight, projectile weight, etc. and you get a number.
What physics DOESN'T easily account for is recoil pads, individual gun fit, porting and other semi-subjective things. So "running the numbers" will always bring the 3 1/2" 12 gauge out on top of this discussion. But personal opinions will vary. One of the lousiest recoiling guns I ever shot was a 700 BDL in 7mm-08. Didn't fit worth a hoot and I hated it. I was glad I didn't own it. Another fellow here, mentioned how lousy the 835 kicks but the BPS 10 wasn't bad. I've patterned a few different 835's and never found them to be that hateful at all. I've owned a BPS 10 for over 30 years and it SUCKS at the back end. Now my kid (24 years old and pretty much the same size as me).........he loves shooting my BPS 10. Go figure. But I have 2 rifles in .300 Win Mag and one in .300 Wby Mag and have nothing bad to say about the recoil level of any of them.
Yeah, this isn't even a close call. Shooting a TC Encore in 300 win mag right next to an H&R shotgun, and that's "only" a 3" 1 7/8oz at 1150 fps, it's not even close. The 300WM isn't pleasant, but it's just a rifle. The 300WM in a bolt gun is not a big deal at all. A strong 12 gauge round on the other hand, good luck. Anyone who claims to shoot more than one shot in a singleshot without flinching is either a huge liar, or killed so many brain cells in the process he doesn't remember. Gas semi auto's like a Remington 11-87 tame recoil a ton, but they are still way into the uncomfortable territory. Put a more reasonable 2 3/4" 1 3/8oz or 1 1/2oz load in the gun, and then maybe you are coming close to 300WM territory.
Johnny Cash used a 300 WM his entire life. Then one day he shot a 3 1/2" turkey load out of a Mossberg 835. That afternoon he wrote a song. The first four words pretty much sums it up.
https://youtu.be/8AHCfZTRGiI
Quote from: guesswho on October 11, 2021, 03:51:52 PM
Johnny Cash used a 300 WM his entire life. Then one day he shot a 3 1/2" turkey load out of a Mossberg 835. That afternoon he wrote a song. The first four words pretty much sums it up.
https://youtu.be/8AHCfZTRGiI
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I've owned and shot 45-70 and 300 mag and they don't hold a candle to 3.5 inch Winchester high velocity shells out of my 870. Those suckers will drop a turkey on the front end and give you a nose job on the back end.
Quote from: guesswho on October 11, 2021, 03:51:52 PM
Johnny Cash used a 300 WM his entire life. Then one day he shot a 3 1/2" turkey load out of a Mossberg 835. That afternoon he wrote a song. The first four words pretty much sums it up.
https://youtu.be/8AHCfZTRGiI
:TooFunny:
I thought it was going to be "Burning ring of fire"
I own a Weatherby Mark V Stainless in 340 Weatherby Magnum. 3 1/2" 12 ga. magnums recoil much more!!
Quote from: crow on October 12, 2021, 08:00:35 AM
Quote from: guesswho on October 11, 2021, 03:51:52 PM
Johnny Cash used a 300 WM his entire life. Then one day he shot a 3 1/2" turkey load out of a Mossberg 835. That afternoon he wrote a song. The first four words pretty much sums it up.
https://youtu.be/8AHCfZTRGiI
:TooFunny:
I thought it was going to be "Burning ring of fire"
That would be a good one too :TooFunny:
Nah. He wrote that one after he confused his his preparation H with Bengay.
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I thought that song came from "Hotter than a pepper sprout" ( We got married in a favor)
Where do 420 grain 45-70 Elmer Keith loads in a 7lb rifle with a hard buttplate off the bench fit into the program
Quote from: WildTigerTrout on October 12, 2021, 11:44:50 AM
I own a Weatherby Mark V Stainless in 340 Weatherby Magnum. 3 1/2" 12 ga. magnums recoil much more!!
One more notch up the Weatherby ladder and the story changes............ :icon_thumright:
Quote from: guesswho on October 12, 2021, 12:43:29 PM
Quote from: crow on October 12, 2021, 08:00:35 AM
Quote from: guesswho on October 11, 2021, 03:51:52 PM
Johnny Cash used a 300 WM his entire life. Then one day he shot a 3 1/2" turkey load out of a Mossberg 835. That afternoon he wrote a song. The first four words pretty much sums it up.
https://youtu.be/8AHCfZTRGiI
:TooFunny:
I thought it was going to be "Burning ring of fire"
That would be a good one too :TooFunny:
Or "Flesh and Blood"
:TooFunny:
Not even remotely close.
A 3 inch Magnum turkey load generates more recoil than a 300 WM.
Quote from: paboxcall on October 12, 2021, 09:14:25 PM
Quote from: guesswho on October 12, 2021, 12:43:29 PM
Quote from: crow on October 12, 2021, 08:00:35 AM
Quote from: guesswho on October 11, 2021, 03:51:52 PM
Johnny Cash used a 300 WM his entire life. Then one day he shot a 3 1/2" turkey load out of a Mossberg 835. That afternoon he wrote a song. The first four words pretty much sums it up.
https://youtu.be/8AHCfZTRGiI
:TooFunny:
I thought it was going to be "Burning ring of fire"
That would be a good one too :TooFunny:
Or "Flesh and Blood"
:TooFunny:
That could be the theme song for your single 12ga.
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Hands down 3.5'' magnum! My 870 max gobbler ejects the shell itself!!!!
https://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/hunting/2012/04/problems-caused-supersized-turkey-loads-and-light-and-lethal-loads-you-shou/
A .458–an elephant gun–generates up to 65 foot-pounds of recoil that you feel as a shove. Meanwhile, a 12-gauge loaded with a high-velocity 31?2-inch magnum lead turkey load cracks you with up to 75 foot-pounds of recoil.