This is an interesting and informative site. Being somewhat of a conspiracy theorist, I believe that the virus was man made and escaped by way of a scientist from the lab a few blocks from the wet market. Revelers celebrating the Chinese New Year were infected and then scattered across the globe infecting others. I'm not sure the human race can survive globalism and the convenient air travel between various parts of the world. If not this time, the clock is surely ticking.
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Right now the county and a county next to me are the only 2 counties left not showing any cases. This is a chart showing cases in NY if anybody is interested. I will tell you this though, I know for fact there is one in my county, the person was diagnosed in one of the adjoining county and sent home to recuperate in my county. I will not say who informed me because the person will lose their job. Here is that link. https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/coronavirus/2020/03/13/where-are-the-coronavirus-cases-in-upstate-new-york-?fbclid=IwAR0t4L6qTkdzhYGfc4C2Tt9YypTu4i2YZJpBmn-Dage1pBMHjsQ31JlCDK8
Wow. I thought I was the only one thinking like this. This us not an accident.
Scientists took conspiracy theories about SARS-CoV-2's origins seriously, and debunked them. But don't give up on your other conspiracy theories. The world really is flat and the moon landing was filmed in Hollywood, no doubt about it.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature
Quote from: idgobble on March 30, 2020, 08:45:56 PM
Scientists took conspiracy theories about SARS-CoV-2's origins seriously, and debunked them. But don't give up on your other conspiracy theories. The world really is flat and the moon landing was filmed in Hollywood, no doubt about it.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature
Thank you for inserting a little bit of sanity
Quote from: Big Guy on March 30, 2020, 10:14:37 PM
Quote from: idgobble on March 30, 2020, 08:45:56 PM
Scientists took conspiracy theories about SARS-CoV-2's origins seriously, and debunked them. But don't give up on your other conspiracy theories. The world really is flat and the moon landing was filmed in Hollywood, no doubt about it.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature
Thank you for inserting a little bit of sanity
A-freakin'-men!!!!
Quote from: idgobble on March 30, 2020, 08:45:56 PM
Scientists took conspiracy theories about SARS-CoV-2's origins seriously, and debunked them. But don't give up on your other conspiracy theories. The world really is flat and the moon landing was filmed in Hollywood, no doubt about it.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature
Thank you. Good article.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/
That is an interesting article too Silvestris. And I would be willing to bet that there will be a lot of research to determine the origin of the virus. It will likely not be able to be proven one way or the other. The virus mutating to be able to infect humans either from a lab or from a bat directly is still not enough proof that it was some conspiracy-that is a big difference from a synthetic virus or one with deliberate manipulation of the viral genome to make it infect humans. It only suggests that a coverup of the true source occurred. I assume the US has similar research going on in multiple locations as well, prior to this outbreak.
Quote from: idgobble on March 30, 2020, 08:45:56 PM
Scientists took conspiracy theories about SARS-CoV-2's origins seriously, and debunked them. But don't give up on your other conspiracy theories. The world really is flat and the moon landing was filmed in Hollywood, no doubt about it.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature
You are thinking that some of these tinfoil hat guys believe in science? :TooFunny:
Win, lose, or draw whatever caused it, it could have been a whole lot better if we were tipped off about the seriousness of it. They kept it a secret.....it was too late once it got out. Sad, look what it caused....
Quote from: Tom007 on March 31, 2020, 04:51:16 PM
........ it could have been a whole lot better if we were tipped off about the seriousness of it. They kept it a secret.....it was too late once it got out. Sad, look what it caused....
They kept it quiet but our response here in the US was extremely slow, giving it at least a 6 week head start on us after it first showed up. There's plenty of timeline lists going back to Jan. quoting US politicians and some news media downplaying how serious it could be (if you want to research it).
How are some people able to turn every single aspect of life into a conspiracy theory? Why can't some things just be bad stuff that happens? I work with one of those conspiracy theory wackos and nobody wants to get trapped having to listen to his nonsense. It just gets old after awhile.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-biological-experiments-infect-humans-coronavirus-exposed-2015-italian-state
Quote from: TravisB on March 31, 2020, 06:23:37 PM
How are some people able to turn every single aspect of life into a conspiracy theory? Why can't some things just be bad stuff that happens? I work with one of those conspiracy theory wackos and nobody wants to get trapped having to listen to his nonsense. It just gets old after awhile.
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You mean the pope isn't from Neptune?
I honestly think that one: The Chinese government doesn't care about it's citizens and if a few or several thousand died, to them, it's not a big deal. Second why wouldn't the same said Chinese government want to wreck the US economy as retaliation for the Trump tariffs. From what I understand the tariffs were taking a toll on the Chinese economy.
Saw an interview with Ben Shapiro who talked with a renown doc, who predicted (and wrote a book) about this very subject more than a year ago.
He, and THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEDICAL EXPERTS do NOT believe this is man-made, or a boutique virus.
Admittedly, initially I was under the impression that this was man-made. However, after a bit of investigation, and listening to reputable health care doctors and scientists (in the US and world wide), I no longer believe this is true.
It is far more likely of animal husbandry practices, and specifically the wet markets (selling of dead and live animals out in the open) of certain countries. These wet markets often involve the selling exotics, live animals (some of which are eaten alive), the consumption of raw meats, and a variety of other meats with no health regulations at all. This creates the perfect situation for multiple diseases to be spread and mutate, and the perfect situation for diseases which generally affect animals to cross over to human infection.
The World Health Organization (WHO) just recently gave approval for these wet markets to continue. And has defended China and Hong Kong's utilization of these "wet markets." I feel this is terrible decision making, and the WHO needs to go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw0VvsiELSM
No apologies required.
Quote from: silvestris on March 31, 2020, 09:45:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw0VvsiELSM
No apologies required.
Now he believes it's a problem?
I agree, when you look at the size of China and how many square miles it covers, what is the probability that it just by chance happened to originate at a wet market within a few blocks of that particular lab?
I want an answer that will never be answered. Man-made or natural, why did China coverup the disease?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIHWaaJNktQ&feature=youtu.be
What I read it was a bat virus and had combined with a pangolin (scaly anteater) virus that formed the new virus. Also read another article that investigation of the RNA of the virus established it was natural occurring virus. Yesterday I read the UN had passed a resolution to close these wet markets or at least have them inspected, not sure if the UN resolution has any authority but at least it is a start. The article also stated the 2003 SARS infection was traced back to a wet market. The tone of the article was these wet markets, which also included illegal slaughter houses, were the source of these infections and needed to be controlled or shut down because they will be the source of future infections.