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Hey Y'all,

I have held out on getting the vaccine. My wife is in the medical field and is starting to see TONS of patients. She is going to have to get the vax for work and I'm still on the fence.  It seems like the virus is hitting harder this year than last. Starting to personally know a lot of folks who are in the hospital or who have died from the virus.

She is getting the moderna vacciine and I'm think about getting it as well.  The data on the Pfizer looks worse and worse with each passing study.

Has anyone here received the moderna vaccine? Did you have any issues after getting stuck?

I got my second dose of moderna two weeks ago today.  I had zero issues either time.   No sore arm or anything.   I know a couple more people that got it and all they experienced was the sore arm for a couple of days. 

Everyone in my family that can get it has,2 members have got the virus both over it in a couple of days.I thinks it helps.

Wife and I both got Moderna vaccine in April. After both shots I had 1 -2 hour period the next day where I was tired and mentally not there. But it only lasted little under 2 hours. Was fine after

Wife was down for the count after second shot. Slept most of the day. But that's it.


On a side note. In all of 2020 I knew 1 couple who got COVID amongst all my family and friends.  They felt bad for a day and got over it.

In the last couple of months I've know countless people who've had COVID, a few vaccinated most not. 3 of the non-vaccinated have died.

I hope everyone that can gets vaccinated. Delta variant is worse then the COVID we had last year.

A good friend, who is on the forum here, sent me a "Hospitalized Covid 19 Patients" snapshot dated August 26, 2021 from a hospital where his daughter is a nurse, I believe. Data is as follows: Covid 19 inpatients...10 vaccinated, 120 unvaccinated. ICU patients...1 vaccinated, 47 unvaccinated. Patients on ventilators...0 vaccinated, 30 unvaccinated.

Yes. I got 2 doses of Moderna. I have other health issues and 2 of my doctors said I should get it. That was good enough for me.

I did the J&J. I have not had Covid. My arm was sore.

My wife did the J&J. Ran fever, sore arm.

I'll stick with what's been working for me for over a year, my immune system. I don't speak negative about someone wanting to get the shot, it's your choice.

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Not me, and I don't plan on getting it. Honestly I probably would've gotten it if the government and corporate America didn't try to strongarm us into it. If it is so beneficial why are we being incentivized with free beer, lotteries, paid time off from work etc etc etc to get it.

I got the Pfizer.
1st dose stung a bit. (FYI I wig out over needles. .  Arm was slightly sore for a day.
2nd dose didn't feel it at all.  Arm was not sore the least bit.  Around the 20 hour after the 2nd one I didn't feel good.  Not bad but not good. 

I put off the vaccine off as long as I felt I needed to.  Seems like it's being pushed on people harder than I'm comfortable with.  Short of it is,  Long term don't know the the effects.   Short term I want to be around for my kids.  Especially during the important decision making point in their young lives.   


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I got the Pfizer vaccine in January. Had slight reactions, but nothing too bad. My wife also received the Pfizer vaccine. We both tested positive for Covid a couple weeks ago. We both had all the symptoms, but we were sick for 3 days and improved each day after. I feel being vaccinated did help us recover much quicker.

What's interesting is we have twin 7 year olds and a 5 year old. They did not get sick and each tested negative on PCR tests. There's no social distancing or isolation when you have kids that young. Very bizarre that all 3 avoided it...

I got the J&J Vaccine in mid- February from the VA.  No problem at all.  My arm was more sore from the flu shot.


My wife got the Moderna.  Her arm was really sore both times and she had some side effects for a couple days.

Glad we got them.  This is America and everyone can decide for themselves but I encourage getting it.

Quote from: WildTigerTrout on August 31, 2021, 06:40:02 PM
I got the J&J Vaccine in mid- February from the VA.  No problem at all.  My arm was more sore from the flu shot.


My wife got the Moderna.  Her arm was really sore both times and she had some side effects for a couple days.

Glad we got them.  This is America and everyone can decide for themselves but I encourage getting it.

Do you work for Johnson & Johnson?  To my knowledge, that vax wasn't available to the rest of us before March.

I got the Pfizer at the end of March. Had no issues. Most of my family members have gotten vaccinated as well. I was hesitant at first but felt I should have praying for divine miracle or wisdom to medical science. I have had no regrets and plan to get a booster when I can.

I got vaccinated the old fashioned way........... I got the 'Rona.

I weighed my options between being very low risk for complications from COVID-19 and being injected with a dose of "Lord knows what".  I chose not to get the vaccine.  I did get COVID and weathered it quite well.  Not everyone is so fortunate or does so well and I understand the choice is an individual decision (for now). 

I ain't doin' it.  I do not look poorly at anyone who chooses differently. 

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Quote from: WildTigerTrout on August 31, 2021, 06:40:02 PM
I got the J&J Vaccine in mid- February from the VA.  No problem at all.  My arm was more sore from the flu shot.


My wife got the Moderna.  Her arm was really sore both times and she had some side effects for a couple days.

Glad we got them.  This is America and everyone can decide for themselves but I encourage getting it.

Do you work for Johnson & Johnson?  To my knowledge, that vax wasn't available to the rest of us before March.

NO I don't work for J&J.  I am a U.S. Army Veteran.  They called me and offered me the shot.  I got it at the VA Clinic.  I think I earned it!

I'd also be more inclined to get it if it wasn't being pushed and people were being threatened on getting fired at their workplace if they didn't have it (even heard of some remote workers being threatened with that, which is hilarious). I'm 28 so I don't see a reason unless I know more people who have had bad cases of the rona

I got the J&J back in early April. The day after was pretty rough but I would do it over again if given the choice. My wife got two doses of Moderna through the school system, she had no issues.

I did the 2 shot Moderna vaccine back in March. Had about 8-10 hrs of flu like symptoms after the 2nd shot, but nothing terrible. I'm pro vaccinate but very much against any mandate to do so. My body, my choice.

No to the vaccine.
Very tired of this subject.


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Same here!

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No to vaccine.  :TrainWreck1:

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Quote from: WildTigerTrout on August 31, 2021, 06:40:02 PM
I got the J&J Vaccine in mid- February from the VA.  No problem at all.  My arm was more sore from the flu shot.


My wife got the Moderna.  Her arm was really sore both times and she had some side effects for a couple days.

Glad we got them.  This is America and everyone can decide for themselves but I encourage getting it.

Do you work for Johnson & Johnson?  To my knowledge, that vax wasn't available to the rest of us before March.

NO I don't work for J&J.  I am a U.S. Army Veteran.  They called me and offered me the shot.  I got it at the VA Clinic.  I think I earned it!

Thank you for your service!

Got Moderna in March . Slept real good after 2nd shot , didn't grow a tail , become magnetic or nothing .

Moderna for me no problems

got the moderna shot in march only a sore arm both times for a couple days

Quote from: turkeyfool on August 31, 2021, 07:19:25 PM
I'd also be more inclined to get it if it wasn't being pushed and people were being threatened on getting fired at their workplace if they didn't have it (even heard of some remote workers being threatened with that, which is hilarious). I'm 28 so I don't see a reason unless I know more people who have had bad cases of the rona

This right here. I'm 21 and see no point in getting it, I have natural immunity (which is better than any vaccine). and am skeptical about the long term side effects.

Quote from: Hwd silvestris on August 31, 2021, 06:05:29 PM

Especially during the important decision making point in their young lives.   

"Does this casket make me look fat."

I got the Pfizer back in March.  No issues, easy as pie.


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Got both doses of Moderna in March/April of this year as a very healthy, active 32 year old. Only side effects were EXTREMELY sore arms. Sore enough it hurt to open a car door and I dreaded the 2nd shot due to the incoming soreness. But i'd take that over COVID.

The decision to get the vaccine when I did was really driven by turkey season and having at risk parents. I knew I'd likely be flying to hunt during Spring 2021 and didn't want any "vaccination status" nonsense to interfere with my plans. My parents are in their 70s and although my mother is vaccinated, my father is a bit higher risk and has a condition in which they don't recommend vaccination.

My grandparents are in their late 80s/early 90s and both vaccinated. They both got COVID a few months after being fully vaccinated. 94 year old grandfather got the antibody treatment the day he tested positive and recovered quite nicely. He was attempting yard work a couple days later. No doubt in my mind he could have had it WAY worse without being vaccinated.

As a biologist, I trust in science (although now days a bit less than before and you REALLY have to consider the source). I told folks in 2020 to not be surprised when the virus mutates and may actually turn into something worse. Its basic science..

The way I see it, you are going to get something you don't want one way or another. That something will be COVID, the vaccine, or very possibly both. I'm pro-choice and don't appreciate the efforts to cram the vaccine down people's throats. It sounds grim, but as far as I'm concerned, this is just Mother Nature regulating populations. And we could use a little fine tuning of the gene pool.

Quote from: deerhunt1988 on September 01, 2021, 08:39:07 AM
The way I see it, you are going to get something you don't want one way or another. That something will be COVID, the vaccine, or very possibly both. I'm pro-choice and don't appreciate the efforts to cram the vaccine down people's throats. It sounds grim, but as far as I'm concerned, this is just Mother Nature regulating populations. And we could use a little fine tuning of the gene pool.

There's a lot of truth to that...

Pfizer x 2. No side effects. I don't care if a person chooses to not take the vaccine, but please do the folks needing medical care for other reasons a favor. Stay away from the hospital if you get sick from COVID.

Just a few thoughts. No one knows the long term potential complications of the vaccine because not enough time has transpired to know the outcome. That's absolutely true.However, the same is true of having COVID. The virus that causes chicken pox can recur decades later as shingles. Polio can recur decades later as a post polio syndrome. Who knows if COVID is gonna recur and wreck one's lung, heart, brain, etc years later?

As to the short term complications of the vaccine vs having COVID, the odds stack up nicely for the vaccine.

While being healthy and being healthy and young is a big advantage in fighting off COVID, no one has natural immunity to COVID short of having had COVID.

If you've had COVID, you do indeed appear to have higher counts of antibodies compared to someone who has had the vaccine, but might benefit from a single supplemental vaccine.

I hope everyone on the forum stays well and respect everyone's choice. Back in June, over 96% of physicians had chosen to take the vaccine. This was before any mandates. To me that is telling.

I operate a nursing facility and have not received the vaccine. Since early last year, I have said we all are going to have to get Covid and let our immune system do it's job. Some have better immune systems than others and will deal with it better. I would be interested in the comment about the hospitals and numbers...how many of those un-vaccinated/vaccinated sick people actually tested positive for covid last year? You can be vaccinated and get/spread just as easy as un-vaccinated. I have had numerous residents who are fully vaccinated pass after testing positive. I have 2 staff members have strokes and still off work 2 weeks after receiving their vaccine. There's a reason why 40% or more of healthcare workers aren't receiving the vaccine. We see what you can't, or what is reported through the government run CDC. Everyone will have to get covid in some form or the other! They will get immunity through this, not a vaccine that is already waning after 6 months! The vaccine is NOT KEEPING YOU FROM GETTING Covid! It is designed to supposedly keep you out of serious hospitilation.  I know everyone has a story of someone who had difficulty with it, and I have seen and heard them all. Good/bad! My decision is based on my experience. I pray good health for all of you.

jhoward11, I'm a recently retired physician, still volunteer, have multiple family and friends on the front lines in the hospital, so I think I have seen and heard plenty. The statement that the  vaccine does not necessarily keep you from getting COVID is correct, but I DO know the number of patients who have had the vaccine and have required hospitalization is heavily skewed towards the unvaccinated, more so for ICU admissions and even more so for those requiring ventilators and dying.

As to health care workers, that is a broad term and encompasses housekeeping, transport staff, maintenance, clerical staff, etc. The vast, vast majority of physicians and nurses have been vaccinated. That is a fact and there is a reason for that.

I will agree that we all may end up with COVID as this thing continues to mutate around the world. Stay well!

I got the J&J. Felt bad that afternoon, but I was fine the next day. My wife got pfizer and felt the same way I did after her second shot. I was not going to get the vaccine, but my wife and I want to do everything we can to keep our 9 month old from getting covid, so we decided to get vaccinated. I got covid at the end of April. Very mild symptoms. I credit that to me taking the vaccine. To me, it is a decision you need to make for yourself.

Quote from: PalmettoRon on September 01, 2021, 09:19:40 AM
Pfizer x 2. No side effects. I don't care if a person chooses to not take the vaccine, but please do the folks needing medical care for other reasons a favor. Stay away from the hospital if you get sick from COVID.

Just a few thoughts. No one knows the long term potential complications of the vaccine because not enough time has transpired to know the outcome. That's absolutely true.However, the same is true of having COVID. The virus that causes chicken pox can recur decades later as shingles. Polio can recur decades later as a post polio syndrome. Who knows if COVID is gonna recur and wreck one's lung, heart, brain, etc years later?

As to the short term complications of the vaccine vs having COVID, the odds stack up nicely for the vaccine.

While being healthy and being healthy and young is a big advantage in fighting off COVID, no one has natural immunity to COVID short of having had COVID.

If you've had COVID, you do indeed appear to have higher counts of antibodies compared to someone who has had the vaccine, but might benefit from a single supplemental vaccine.

I hope everyone on the forum stays well and respect everyone's choice. Back in June, over 96% of physicians had chosen to take the vaccine. This was before any mandates. To me that is telling.

Very well put. I agree with the first paragraph especially.

I also believe it's ones choice and I like to rely on science and facts to make my choices. It's been difficult on this topic because of so much false information on both sides being pushed by agendas.

I took the J&J. Side effect of a sore arm only.
Wife took the J&J and ran a fever one night and had a sore arm.

Just an observation: COVID has been around for quite a while now. Why do we not see the internet, TV and other media flood with info on how to build a strong, healthy immune system?

So which is riskier? Having already survived covid and going unvaccinated or getting the vax and risking side effects? Someone answer that for me because I'm skeptical. I keep hearing about strokes after vaccination.

Am certain I had covid in Feb. 2020 prior to testing. Sick for 7 days, fever, dry cough, body aches, passed out twice. Worst I can recall and I've not missed two consecutive days at work due to sickness in 32 years previously. No one else in household got sick, wife slept in same bed.

Son got sick in June 2020, tested positive, sick for 4-5 days. Wife got sick within 3-4 days, didn't bother with testing and sick for 5 days and a sort of relapse a week later for a few days. I didn't get sick, quarantined from work, returned after 10-12 days with neg test and slept in same bed the whole time with wife, same house with son.

I wash my hands, don't cough or sneeze on anyone and social distance like my mama taught me long before covid. I've been silent on this till this post, mostly because no good comes from talking about it unless you comply.

No and I don't plan to until we know more about the potential long term effects of these vaccines.  Until then, i am using Ivermectin ("horse paste"), zinc, selenium, vitamin D3, and quercitin as a preventative.

I'll turn 64 this month and I had both doses of Moderna by May.  As far as long term effects, some of us have more time behind us then in front.  I can tell you after the second dose, the first shot definitely gave me and the wife antibodies because we did have a low grade fever, body aches and chills for several hours on the second day after the second shot.  If the booster becomes available, we'll get it as well.  We have been exposed to several people, that have had tested positive, with No effects.  Is it for everyone, I don't believe it is but I believe many people are seeing the benefits with this second outbreak.   

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Quote from: WildTigerTrout on August 31, 2021, 06:40:02 PM
I got the J&J Vaccine in mid- February from the VA.  No problem at all.  My arm was more sore from the flu shot.


My wife got the Moderna.  Her arm was really sore both times and she had some side effects for a couple days.

Glad we got them.  This is America and everyone can decide for themselves but I encourage getting it.

Do you work for Johnson & Johnson?  To my knowledge, that vax wasn't available to the rest of us before March.

NO I don't work for J&J.  I am a U.S. Army Veteran.  They called me and offered me the shot.  I got it at the VA Clinic.  I think I earned it!

Thank you for your service!

You are welcome.  Thank God we still have young men and women, to include my son who are willing to sacrifice for our country by military service.  I salute you all!

Got both of my Pfizer shots back in April. No side affects at all.

I had covid back in nov , had severe fatigue and head aches for 7 days and lost close to 20 lbs from lack of appetite / taste / smell .  I wasn't going to get the vaccine because of the potential future issues that nobody has answers to, and figured I should have anti body's built up  .  But , I happened to see a sign in our little towns only pharmacy, that they had free vaccines that day . My gut told me to get it done . I followed my gut and got my lst shot ,  woke up that night with 103 fever , cold chills etc , felt like doo doo for 3 full days .  Sooo now my 2nd shot is due . I honestly don't know if I should get the 2nd ?  I don't want to get sick again !  So I'm learning toward not getting it at this point .   You ask ten folks there " opinions " on this and you'll get 11different views !   I'm confused to say the least ...

I got my two Pfizer shots as soon as they would let me, since then my beards grown a little and I seem to blow a lot of money on turkey calls.

I had a base case of COVID in Dec.  Got the J&J shot in May before doing some traveling.  I told myself if I lived over COVID that I would get a shot before I risked getting it again.
J&J gave me a sore arm for several days and 12 hours of bad chills, mild fever and feeling pretty bad.
COVID took 20% of the capacity of my left lung and left me with a long recovery period.

My wife and I were vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine early February, second dose, early March. Some of our kids were vaccinated well before then with the Pfizer because of their jobs. My wife had basically no reaction, I felt fine until the 3rd day after the 1st dose, when I developed a headache and just general malaise.  Woke up the next morning with no residual effects.

Second dose, the following day, I felt rough, basically just like the flu, with headache, chills and a fever. If I was still working, probably couldn't have made it that day. Next morning, again, totally fine. If I am offered a booster, I will take it in a heartbeat.

Any medication, or vaccine carries some risk. I honestly believe if the pandemic had happened in any year other than 2020, the attitudes and response to COVID-19 and the vaccines would have been substantially different. If the current climate had been the case in the 1950's, we would probably still be visiting polio patients in iron lungs.

Despite internet theorists views to the contrary, COVID-19 can, and does, kill with some regularity. Certain underlying health conditions can certainly contribute to the possibility of one's demise if infected, but, being as healthy as a horse doesn't guarantee that you, or a loved one, won't succumb to the illness, or, at the very least, spend some not so quality time, often weeks, in the ICU hooked to a ventilator.

The facts and data show that there's a significant chance of death or serious illness if you contract COVID-19 as an unvaccinated individual, and that being vaccinated substantially reduces that risk. The data also clearly shows the vaccine is overwhelming safe and effective.

The reluctance to be vaccinated, honestly, I don't get. The idea that anyone would not be vaccinated simply because they don't like being told what to do, is, in my opinion, absurd. If you were diagnosed with diabetes, for example, would you refuse to take insulin just because your doctor told you to?

I believe in free choice, but we don't live in a bubble. Our individual choices often can effect others. I saw on the news last night that a man in Texas died from a gallbladder infection and pancreatitis because they couldn't find an ICU bed for him in Texas or a bordering state. Maybe if just one more person had been vaccinated.........

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Quote from: Neill_Prater on September 02, 2021, 12:07:53 AM

The reluctance to be vaccinated, honestly, I don't get. The idea that anyone would not be vaccinated simply because they don't like being told what to do, is, in my opinion, absurd. If you were diagnosed with diabetes, for example, would you refuse to take insulin just because your doctor told you to?

Overall, your response is very well written. I was kind of surprised that you honestly don't get the reluctance to be vaccinated. You think it's because we don't like being told what to do?

For me personally, beside some very credible scientists highly worried about long term affects of the vaccine, coupled with an overall survival rate (among un-vaccinated) of around 99.6% and a gov't. that has provably lied to us time after time on subject after subject raises red flags with me.

At this point, in my own little world, I know more people who have had very bad experiences with the vaccine (blood clots in lungs, paralysis) than have died of the virus. 

Quote from: Neill_Prater on September 02, 2021, 12:07:53 AMI believe in free choice, but we don't live in a bubble. Our individual choices often can effect others. I saw on the news last night that a man in Texas died from a gallbladder infection and pancreatitis because they couldn't find an ICU bed for him in Texas or a bordering state. Maybe if just one more person had been vaccinated.........

Or maybe if we didn't have a gov't letting unvetted, untreated foreigners literally pour over our southern border.....the Texas border?

I'm a member of the unrecognized natural immunity club.  Actually had both variants with no symptoms either time other than the sniffles. 

Quote from: Neill_Prater on September 02, 2021, 12:07:53 AM

Any medication, or vaccine carries some risk. I honestly believe if the pandemic had happened in any year other than 2020, the attitudes and response to COVID-19 and the vaccines would have been substantially different. If the current climate had been the case in the 1950's, we would probably still be visiting polio patients in iron lungs.

Despite internet theorists views to the contrary, COVID-19 can, and does, kill with some regularity. Certain underlying health conditions can certainly contribute to the possibility of one's demise if infected, but, being as healthy as a horse doesn't guarantee that you, or a loved one, won't succumb to the illness, or, at the very least, spend some not so quality time, often weeks, in the ICU hooked to a ventilator.

The facts and data show that there's a significant chance of death or serious illness if you contract COVID-19 as an unvaccinated individual, and that being vaccinated substantially reduces that risk. The data also clearly shows the vaccine is overwhelming safe and effective.

The reluctance to be vaccinated, honestly, I don't get. The idea that anyone would not be vaccinated simply because they don't like being told what to do, is, in my opinion, absurd. If you were diagnosed with diabetes, for example, would you refuse to take insulin just because your doctor told you to?

I believe in free choice, but we don't live in a bubble. Our individual choices often can effect others. I saw on the news last night that a man in Texas died from a gallbladder infection and pancreatitis because they couldn't find an ICU bed for him in Texas or a bordering state. Maybe if just one more person had been vaccinated.........

1000% spot on!   :icon_thumright:

Wife and I both had Modera in Feb and March.  Reactions pretty mild.  We think she had the virus in December of 1999 when it was still a puzzle.  Maybe/maybe not.  Would both take a booster if available.  We don't make a federal case about it but try an avoid those who brag about being unvaccinated.  No reason to take a chance.  We are both in our 70s.

My wife and I both had he Moderna vaccination in February and March we both experienced a sore arm for about a day or two, felt like someone had punched my arm. The day after I had had the second dose I felt kind of bad, my wife no effects, but I have the same effects some times from a medication I take so it may not have been the vaccine. I had two doctor visits only a few weeks prior to the vaccination and both doctors strongly advised getting the vaccination. I tend to follow the advise of experts in a field be it electrician, for electrical problems, plumber for plumbing problems and doctors medical problems.

Mu daughter and I were discussing the vaccination the other day and she posed an interesting question. She asked "how long before health insurance companies quit covering hospital stays for unvaccinated covid patients?". I do not know the answer but it is an interesting question. My biggest fear is contracting covid and ending up in the hospital and amassing a huge bill.

That won't happen re: insurance not covering the unvaccinated, although they could raise the premiums on the unvaccinated much as health insurance companies have the right to add a surcharge to smokers.

Seems reasonable on the front end, but by potentially pricing out smokers from acquiring health insurance, the cost is passed on to all, as doctors and hospitals do not deny care. The same would potentially occur if a surcharge were to be added to the insurance premiums of the unvaccinated.

My wife (Pfizer) and I (Moderna) both had shots last spring. Hers was a no-brainer...four time cancer survivor with resultant compromised immune system, plus an autoimmune disease. However, I do understand people's reluctance/right, whatever their reason may be, to not get the vaccine. But, at the same time, I don't want my freedom of activities curtailed because they refuse to get the vaccine. You know as well as I that this may never go away...a different variant every year or so, not unlike the flu. So, perhaps in another five to ten years the virus will weed out another several million worldwide. Some of those I expect to have been vaccinated, the majority unvaccinated. JMO.

Nope won't get it. It's not a real vaccine so no thanks. These corona  threads are getting like the decoy vs no decoy, blind vs no blind ones. At least those are about turkey hunting. And the poster who said unvaccinated people who get sick shouldn't go to the hospital? Nice. Just showed me what kind of people that are out there. Don't worry, if i get sick i won't go to the hospital, i will save the bed for those better than me. And if the Good Lord decides its my time, then its my time. Me and Him already had this discussion when i had cancer, and i am not going to sit around in knee knocking terror over a virus that has something like a 98% survival rate.I wasn't going to post in this thread, but it made my blood boil when someone says sick people should stay home because getting ill is their fault. I think if someone wants to get the shot, then go for it, i don't care either way. I've said my peace and i will refrain from posting again in anymore corona threads.

I'm not getting it. Too much misinformation coming from the government, too many bad reactions, too many people I know got Covid AFTER getting vaxxed, etc. A friend of mine who is a nurse got his vax months ago, wears gloves, gowns and a N95 mask when he's at work, and is religious about washing his hands and hygiene. He got Covid anyway after all that. My wife's cousin got vaxxed, got Covid from it and spent a week in the hospital. I could go on and on. The vax is not a true vaccine, it was rushed through, and I don't trust it.
Plus I live out in the country, limit my exposure to others, wear my mask, wash my hands and use hand sanitizer when I'm out, and am on a heavy dose of recommended vitamins to help ward off Covid. I have a very strong immune system, and rarely get sick. I'm just going to roll the dice, pray to the Lord that I don't get it and continue doing what I have been. It's worked so far.

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

No thanks, I am healthy and rarely in situations where I would be confined with groups of people.  I know a lot of people who have had it at this point, only one of which was seriously sick.

I understand it can be deadly, I am not denying that, do what makes you sleep at night.

Moderna, March & April, couple of days of not feeling 100%. Thank you Mr. Prater, very well spoken. 

I was a holdout for a long time. I still have zero interest in an mRNA shot. I do not trust them. J&J was the only vaccine I was interested in. Last week I felt like I had enough data I was comfortable with the shot. Our onsite clinic administered it. Sore arm for about 1 day.

My wife is a Medical Technologist (some places call it Medical Labratory Scientist) for the largest hospital/medical provider in the region. Lately her job has turned into covid test central. Our local hospital averages 63 phone calls trying to find an ICU bed. The average transfer distance has ballooned to 232 miles instead of 60. If you mention Covid many hospitals wont take them. My brother is a paramedic. He took a covid positive critical pt over 300 miles last night to another facility. I currently have a 27 yr old cousin who is very sick with it. My wife did say that of their covid hospitalizations 83% are unvaccinated.

Frankly I am 100% on board with it being a personal choice. Our county hasbeen mask free since the beginning of the year. You can walk around town and never see a mask. No masks in schools. We went to Branson on vacation and nobody wore masks. The only place I wear one is work, and that is because they mandate it for the unvaccinated. Next Wednesday I will be considered fully vaccinated and won't have to wear one there either. You go one county west where my wife works and it is rampant. They are full on mask mandate, schools with masks, etc. Do what makes you happy.  I rarely get a flu shot, and I have never ever worried about it.

Quote from: deerhunt1988 on September 01, 2021, 08:39:07 AM
I knew I'd likely be flying to hunt during Spring 2021 and didn't want any "vaccination status" nonsense to interfere with my plans.

This influenced me as well..  glad I'm not the only one!  I was really looking forward to that trip.. and I was just waiting for proof of vaccination being required to be able to fly.  Kinda surprised this hasn't happened yet.  Me making that trip was far more important than me not having the shot.  Plus I got 75 bucks from my place of employment (woot) 

I got the Moderna. No issues from either dose. 


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Part of my decision to get was to also be able to travel in spring 2021.

My wife & I both got the J&J back in March. We both had slightly sore arms & I did take a nap that afternoon. I hear of more people dying around my area than last year. I have no regrets taking the shot but I respect other people's decision to refuse to take it. If they recommend a booster later on I will take that one too.

If you will research the definition of the word vaccine, you should understand that this in not a vaccine. A much more accurate name would be "experimental gene therapy". You can have my shot, and all the boosters they will be pushing in the future.

Quote from: makestomstremble on September 03, 2021, 09:54:59 AM
If you will research the definition of the word vaccine, you should understand that this in not a vaccine. A much more accurate name would be "experimental gene therapy". You can have my shot, and all the boosters they will be pushing in the future.

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine is a traditional vaccine.  It does not use mRNA like the Pfizer and Moderna shots.

Quote from: makestomstremble on September 03, 2021, 09:54:59 AM
If you will research the definition of the word vaccine, you should understand that this in not a vaccine. A much more accurate name would be "experimental gene therapy". You can have my shot, and all the boosters they will be pushing in the future.

Exactly.  If it doesnt prevent you from getting the virus and even spreading the virus then its not a vaccine.  Nothing more than a flu shot that they will push people into getting at least once a year for the rest of our lives.  Covid is going nowhere. 

My wife had the Moderna in April, I had the Pfizer around the same timeframe.  Fever after the second shot but only for about 12 hours.

We took the  shot due to elderly parents with issues and neither of us are in prime shape (50 and 51).  I also had an overweight friend spend 2 weeks on a ventilator and ended up dying.  I know several others that have some long term effects from Covid.

I do know a LOT of people in the last month that have had covid and the only one that I know that have been hospitalized are unvaccinated.  One of them is a 51 year old in very good health, he stayed on a ventilator for 8-9 days but is recovering now. I know no one that has had any issues receiving any of the vaccines.

My 18 year old daughter is still unvaccinated with the reasoning of potential reproduction issues later on and I cannot make her take the vaccine, even though I feel like she should.

To each his own, I just hate seeing the division of Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed

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Quote from: makestomstremble on September 03, 2021, 09:54:59 AM
If you will research the definition of the word vaccine, you should understand that this in not a vaccine. A much more accurate name would be "experimental gene therapy". You can have my shot, and all the boosters they will be pushing in the future.

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine is a traditional vaccine.  It does not use mRNA like the Pfizer and Moderna shots.

No

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No
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Please explain.


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Quote from: Spurs Up on September 03, 2021, 07:08:43 PM

No

Please explain.


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All vaccines work by triggering production of antibodies. Traditional vaccines use weakened viruses or bacteria, as it may be, themselves to promote an immune response. Differently the J&J vaccine uses an adenovirus vector (think of it as a Trojan Horse) to deliver double-stranded DNA codons for production the corona spike protein. Moderna and Pfizer use m-RNA to deliver the blueprint for the spike protein. Essentially it's the same mode thereafter for both the DNA viral vector and the m-RNA vaccines as the spike proteins cause an immune response that produces antibodies.

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Quote from: Meleagris gallopavo on September 03, 2021, 07:41:59 PM

Quote from: Spurs Up on September 03, 2021, 07:08:43 PM

No

Please explain.


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All vaccines work by triggering production of antibodies. Traditional vaccines use weakened viruses or bacteria, as it may be, themselves to promote an immune response. Differently the J&J vaccine uses an adenovirus vector (think of it as a Trojan Horse) to deliver double-stranded DNA codons for production the corona spike protein. Moderna and Pfizer use m-RNA to deliver the blueprint for the spike protein. Essentially it's the same mode thereafter for both the DNA viral vector and the m-RNA vaccines as the spike proteins cause an immune response that produces antibodies.
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Thanks!  I had read an incorrect explanation that stated it was more like a traditional vaccine, which was actually on the university website where my daughter attends school. 


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No. Not going to either. My wife and I had Covid in December of 2020. Both lived through it. Never coughed once. We were both extremely tired and headaches each day for about 10 days or so. She lost her sense of taste/ smell for 3 days or so. It came back. I've been exposed several times since and tested NEGATIVE couple times when I was checked. Government pushing way to hard for my liking. Dont trust them anyways. Too many unsubstantiated statements. Bill Gates isn't a doctor yet he's neck deep in this. Hmm......

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Nope, my whole family had it a few weeks ago and we all did fine with it. We are not antivax but we have never took a flu shot either. I know 2 vaccinated people that died with covid and several unvaccinated. Hopefully they will get something better in the future, then I might consider it.

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Quote from: Meleagris gallopavo on September 03, 2021, 07:41:59 PM

Quote from: Spurs Up on September 03, 2021, 07:08:43 PM

No

Please explain.


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All vaccines work by triggering production of antibodies. Traditional vaccines use weakened viruses or bacteria, as it may be, themselves to promote an immune response. Differently the J&J vaccine uses an adenovirus vector (think of it as a Trojan Horse) to deliver double-stranded DNA codons for production the corona spike protein. Moderna and Pfizer use m-RNA to deliver the blueprint for the spike protein. Essentially it's the same mode thereafter for both the DNA viral vector and the m-RNA vaccines as the spike proteins cause an immune response that produces antibodies.
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The difference between gene therapy and a vaccine is that in gene therapy it enters the nucleus of the cell.  In a vaccine the protein is made in the ribosome (not the nucleus) and secreted to stimulate an immune response.  A more traditional vaccine would just inject the spike proteins into the host and stimulate the immune response.   

In the case of J and J the adeno virus introduces the gene into the nucleus, but not the chromosome.  If a retro virus were used, it would deliver the gene into the actual chromosome.  While the difference may seem slight, it is huge in whether long term changes occur in the DNA of the host cell.

All of the COVID vaccines are vaccines.  The delivery method is non-traditional (really it is just new).

Just trying to explain science, get the vaccine or don't get it.  Your call.

I have refrained from posting on here.  It seems everyone is a molecular immunologist now (not meaning any of y'all, meaning all the whack jobs on YouTube and Al Gore's interwebs). 

It is like the joke Meta-Analysis that says Ivermectin works.  The study is based on terrible, poorly designed studies.  There are actually 2 of them out there.  Both based on pseudo-science.  Ivermectin may be found to work, but it is not looking good at doses that will not kill the host. It is odd to me that so many people say they do not trust doctors and yet they are trusting one to take ivermectin. At this point, it looks like eye of Newt and burying a dead cat at midnight would be about as effective, but much safer.   

Very well stated. Thankfully folks back in the day thought little about taking the smallpox vaccine which was an actual live virus or the Sabin polio vaccine which was an attenuated live virus.

Everyone is an expert now due to the internet.

We're in a hell of a spot when Trump who was responsible for green lighting this vaccine and even took it himself after having had COVID was literally booed at an event in Alabama when he suggested people should take it. So both Trump and Biden want folks to take something that is bad for them? Are they conspiring together? Not a chance.