Is there any interest in these? I have 4 boxes 12 3.5" 5's STH12355
one of the best "ever" turkey shells made
Best shells I've ever shot out of my 835. Down to 1 shell left. Lot of people I know wish the supremes were still around.
Winchester® Supreme 20ga 3" Mag 1200fps 1 5/16oz Pb loads out perform Federal®, Fiocchi®, PMC®, Sellior & Bellot, & Remington® Pb in my guns.
Shot the same loads but out of my 10 gauge. With that 2 1/4 oz. of #5 shot and my Hastings .695 it shot absolutely scary patterns. I do have some 2 oz. HV loads that need patterned. I hope they pattern as good as my heavy loads.
I have a few of the 3" Supreme #5 laying around. Shot them through a Hastings .660 for a lot of years. Great lead shell.
The new rebadged Double X at Walmart is the same black HV shell as the supremes. Don't know why Winchester did this as it has confused quite a few people.
Maybe the confusion is that everyone wants to believe double x is the same as the old winchester supreme HV shell. They could have changed primer, wad composition, powder, etc. For myself I am glad I have a supply of supreme HV. I don't intend to buy double X to pattern them, I have read some bad reviews on those shells.
I made the switch back this year to this very load, in the old HV version. I was more than pleased with the results out of my 835 this spring, these two had other thoughts though ;D
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There is nothing like the old Winchester shells whether it be the XX magnums or the HV shells :icon_thumright:
Quote from: d.winsor on May 02, 2014, 10:09:15 AM
Maybe the confusion is that everyone wants to believe double x is the same as the old winchester supreme HV shell. They could have changed primer, wad composition, powder, etc. For myself I am glad I have a supply of supreme HV. I don't intend to buy double X to pattern them, I have read some bad reviews on those shells.
They are exactly the same shell, nothing has changed at all. I have cut the two open side by side to see if anything has changed. Guess what, all components are the same. I think we have been over this before, and for some crazy reason some just refuse to believe it. Call Winchester, they will tell you that the new black double x HV shell is the exact same shell as the old supreme HV. Only difference is the rebadged box and name.
Quote from: darn2ten on May 04, 2014, 10:42:15 PM
Quote from: d.winsor on May 02, 2014, 10:09:15 AM
Maybe the confusion is that everyone wants to believe double x is the same as the old winchester supreme HV shell. They could have changed primer, wad composition, powder, etc. For myself I am glad I have a supply of supreme HV. I don't intend to buy double X to pattern them, I have read some bad reviews on those shells.
They are exactly the same shell, nothing has changed at all. I have cut the two open side by side to see if anything has changed. Guess what, all components are the same. I think we have been over this before, and for some crazy reason some just refuse to believe it. Call Winchester, they will tell you that the new black double x HV shell is the exact same shell as the old supreme HV. Only difference is the rebadged box and name.
your baggage not mine, still don't believe winchester would re-brand a product to themselves, and then sell it cheaper. I've got my opinion you have yours.
Quote from: d.winsor on May 05, 2014, 06:28:31 AM
Quote from: darn2ten on May 04, 2014, 10:42:15 PM
Quote from: d.winsor on May 02, 2014, 10:09:15 AM
Maybe the confusion is that everyone wants to believe double x is the same as the old winchester supreme HV shell. They could have changed primer, wad composition, powder, etc. For myself I am glad I have a supply of supreme HV. I don't intend to buy double X to pattern them, I have read some bad reviews on those shells.
They are exactly the same shell, nothing has changed at all. I have cut the two open side by side to see if anything has changed. Guess what, all components are the same. I think we have been over this before, and for some crazy reason some just refuse to believe it. Call Winchester, they will tell you that the new black double x HV shell is the exact same shell as the old supreme HV. Only difference is the rebadged box and name.
your baggage not mine, still don't believe winchester would re-brand a product to themselves. I've got my opinion you have yours.
Actually when the Supreme line first came out they were still marketed as Double X magnums as well. I have 2 boxes that have the Supreme badge as well as print of Double X Magnums written on top of the box. I think people have forgotten or younger hunters never knew that if Winchester turkey loads or magnum loads were being discussed they were always a Double X until the early 2000's when the Double X was dropped to just Supreme line up.
Actually, there have been both Supreme HV and Supreme XX Magnums for a long time. Places like Walmart have only carried the HV shells for a long time.
The HV versions show Maximum Dram Equiv and 2 oz shot ( 3.5 inch #6s) and are a black shell. The Supreme XXs are (were) a red shell and the 3.5 incher's were Magnum Dram Equiv (touch less powder, little bit slower load) and 2 1/4 oz of shot.
I have killed birds with both, but in my 835 the Supreme XXs deliver a better pattern.
Quote from: 10gaugemag on May 05, 2014, 05:34:09 PM
Quote from: d.winsor on May 05, 2014, 06:28:31 AM
Quote from: darn2ten on May 04, 2014, 10:42:15 PM
Quote from: d.winsor on May 02, 2014, 10:09:15 AM
Maybe the confusion is that everyone wants to believe double x is the same as the old winchester supreme HV shell. They could have changed primer, wad composition, powder, etc. For myself I am glad I have a supply of supreme HV. I don't intend to buy double X to pattern them, I have read some bad reviews on those shells.
They are exactly the same shell, nothing has changed at all. I have cut the two open side by side to see if anything has changed. Guess what, all components are the same. I think we have been over this before, and for some crazy reason some just refuse to believe it. Call Winchester, they will tell you that the new black double x HV shell is the exact same shell as the old supreme HV. Only difference is the rebadged box and name.
your baggage not mine, still don't believe winchester would re-brand a product to themselves. I've got my opinion you have yours.
Actually when the Supreme line first came out they were still marketed as Double X magnums as well. I have 2 boxes that have the Supreme badge as well as print of Double X Magnums written on top of the box. I think people have forgotten or younger hunters never knew that if Winchester turkey loads or magnum loads were being discussed they were always a Double X until the early 2000's when the Double X was dropped to just Supreme line up.
Yup, I have two old boxes of win supreme xx magnum shells. They came in boxes of 25. One is 1 5/8 ounce and the other is 1 7/8 ounce. ( red shells) The XX 3/2/6's have been the best shooters of any of the loads out of my lead slingers. Shame those are few and far between now. People became sold on the High Velocity which is less shot in the paper..and turkey for my setups. (1 3/4)
I found out these will be great 30 yds and in shells.....
Denny
are you talking about supreme double x or old supreme HV
They say "HV Turkey" on the shell.
If it doesn't say supreme on the shell it is not the old Supreme HV turkey load, I went and checked before I posted this. The old supreme shells were a solid 40 yard load.
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Not like my box, if I had a camera and could post a picture I would. I have had my supreme HV turkey loads since about 1992.
I shot the old and the new to compare. The performance was noticeably different.
Like I said, inside 30 yds for my gun....
Not sure about 12ga , but I know in 10ga, winchester just this year changed their turkey load from supreme to double x, but the shells and the item number/code on the box is the same. Winchester only makes one turkey load in 10 ga and in 5s and 6s, so I know I'm not confused about product lines.
So at least in 10 ga, it was simply a name change.
I saw the other day that the win xx 3/2/6 in the new box are still a red shell. Sure hope that shell is the same in 6's and 5's. That is the turkey load used by allot of folks.
My local walmart has about ten boxes of 3" supremes left, are you guys telling me to buy them? I believe they had #6 & #5 left
Are they supreme HV, a black shell that has supreme on it, or are they XX. If they are supreme HV buy all you can get, My next best shell is winchester longbeard xr.
The shells I have in the box are black and say Supreme HV Turkey. I think you were responding to the other person but was just clarifying what I have.
the box looks like this, haven't opened them up to look at shell. They only caught my eye because I have #5 an wanted to try #6 which they have but I figured I'd wait till end of season to see if they go cheaper
Buy all you can get, you might not be able to find any more, I wouldn't wait for price to drop, I like the fives.
I'd clean 'em out on sixes and I don't even use that load.
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Yup, those are the old school ones with the writing in Gold.
Quote from: gwa on May 24, 2014, 01:17:29 PM
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gwa what gun and choke and choke restriction are you shooting to have a 30 yard and in with those shells. I have two 870's and SX3 using a briley straight rifled choke, two ported and one unported, I get solid 40 and 45 yard kill patterns using those shells.
Citori
Sumtoy .675
116 hits 10" circle or @ 35% shot
It will take a turkey but my gun shoots LB's so much better. I was trying to find a good use for them as I got 4.5 boxes with the gun. 23 steps it will do over 300 hits or @ 90%, I was going to run these on my short range barrel. Overkill maybe but that is what it is all about.
Denny
I have to apologize, I just went back through the lead section and my "30 and in" load is not that bad at all. I am kind of new to all the patterning with my gun.
Back when the 835 was introduced, I bought one and the shell of choice was the Federal 2.25 3.5" shells. My turkey hunting pattern was 15 in the head and neck at 30 yds. I was pretty much living by that rule since then. The older fellow that got me into turkey hunting said "It only takes one in the head and neck." I thought I had the most wicked killer out there with 15.
Now I get on here and see that there is so much more that can be done to improve my patterns. Choke and shell choices. I am still overwhelmed, LOL.
Thanks for bearing with me and the help.
Denny
Being a run an gun public land hunter I never sit in a blind or have the luxury of sitting over a green field, for me I'd rather a nice even pattern about 20" wide as I most of the time am in an akward shooting position usually hunched over my shotgun trying to get a sight on a turkey's head or twisted around a tree. I'll take a few pellets in the breast to get the kill, so in other words the 10" circle is overrated in my book you do not need more then 6-8 pellets in the head an neck to ethically kill a turkey.
Question, these are the shells you guys are talking about right? They are not made anymore from what I'm understanding but they have the 3.5" on the shelf like they are still stocking/producing them right next to the double x but the 3" was kind of tucked away by itself.
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Sure looks like them..... Snag em
There were some at walmart here also, I would say it is stock left over from somewhere, once they are gone it may be hard to find more. That is dirt cheap for that shell.
They should still be making them. Just ignore labels on the box and go by specs and part numbers.
Please check your PMs I'm interested in buying them
The easiest way I have found to distinguish between the HV and XX shells is the ounce weight of the 3" shells. The HV old and new have 1 3/4 ounce of shot in a black shell. The XX have 2 ounces of shot in a red shell. The old HV went on sale at Walmart for 9.99 a few years back. Allot of folks stocked up on them including me. I bought 8-10 box's of 1 3/4 6's. The old ones are tuff to find but the new ones are the same. All of the Win 3" 6's are the most consistent loads out of several of my turkey guns. The 1 3/4 , 1 7/8, and 2 ounce 3" 6's are the best lead turkey loads I've hunted with. Great to 40 and not overly tight inside 25.
Quote from: surehuntsalot on April 10, 2014, 09:40:54 PM
one of the best "ever" turkey shells made
I agree. The 3 inch Supreme would pattern well no matter what gun or choke I shot it through. Me, I like a consistent spread out to 35 yards with no splotches and holes in the pattern. Both the 3 inch Supreme and the 2 and 3/4 Federal 5 would always do that.
Wish they were 3in.