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Trumpets / Lip Placement / Pressure

Started by Greg Massey, February 17, 2023, 11:50:41 AM

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USMC0331

Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 18, 2023, 07:37:00 PM
Does anyone find that the angle that they have the trumpet in their mouth makes a difference? I mean just strait in horizontal to the ground, tilted up, tilted down or maybe even cocked to the side at an angle maybe? Thanks.
Yes.

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Sir-diealot

Quote from: USMC0331 on February 18, 2023, 07:44:45 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 18, 2023, 07:37:00 PM
Does anyone find that the angle that they have the trumpet in their mouth makes a difference? I mean just strait in horizontal to the ground, tilted up, tilted down or maybe even cocked to the side at an angle maybe? Thanks.
Yes.

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Is there one that works best for all or is it an individual thing? Thank you.
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Spitten and drummen

Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 18, 2023, 07:50:53 PM
Quote from: USMC0331 on February 18, 2023, 07:44:45 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 18, 2023, 07:37:00 PM
Does anyone find that the angle that they have the trumpet in their mouth makes a difference? I mean just strait in horizontal to the ground, tilted up, tilted down or maybe even cocked to the side at an angle maybe? Thanks.
Yes.

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Is there one that works best for all or is it an individual thing? Thank you.

It really comes down to the individual. Everyone's lips are slightly different. I ply mine slightly right of center. Also I push the mouthpiece up slightly where part of it is on my lip. I get good rasp from relaxing my lips slightly, and that allows a slight vibration in my draw creating rasp. If I want cleaner yelps , I position the mouthpiece off both lips. Of course I also change the way I draw my air. It is very hard to explain methods of playing a trumpet in words.
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Sir-diealot

Quote from: Spitten and drummen on February 18, 2023, 09:26:22 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 18, 2023, 07:50:53 PM
Quote from: USMC0331 on February 18, 2023, 07:44:45 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 18, 2023, 07:37:00 PM
Does anyone find that the angle that they have the trumpet in their mouth makes a difference? I mean just strait in horizontal to the ground, tilted up, tilted down or maybe even cocked to the side at an angle maybe? Thanks.
Yes.

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Is there one that works best for all or is it an individual thing? Thank you.

It really comes down to the individual. Everyone's lips are slightly different. I ply mine slightly right of center. Also I push the mouthpiece up slightly where part of it is on my lip. I get good rasp from relaxing my lips slightly, and that allows a slight vibration in my draw creating rasp. If I want cleaner yelps , I position the mouthpiece off both lips. Of course I also change the way I draw my air. It is very hard to explain methods of playing a trumpet in words.
Thank you.
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EZ

Quote from: davisd9 on February 17, 2023, 12:13:44 PM
Everything should be muscle memory so there should be no difference

Agreed. That does seem to come with LOTS of practice on many different yelpers.
I don't put much pressure on the lip stop at all....just a gage. I play all mouthpieces....big, small, flat, round, the same....with "soft lips". That allows them to seal easier (for me).

silvestris

There is a reason why the old timers used hen bones in their wingbones.  Please don't start killing hens to get your bones unless hens are legal and in abundance.  Without a doubt, the size of the hole in the mouthpiece of a trumpet plays a part in the playing and of the tone, of course.  And then, are the internals of a caller, wingbone or trumpet.
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gmbellew

#21
I will vary my lip shape (pushed out, neutral, or pulled back over my teeth), position (center, slightly offset, middle of 1 side), and tightness (relaxed or pinched on the MP) to get different sounding yelps - clear, rasp, hen, jake, etc. when I am really on my game I can get out some very soft feeding calls. and the other extreme is gobbles. the kee kee is what still, frustratingly, eludes me on the trumpet. I can get it, but I am very inconsistent.

Ondavirg

I'm in my first year hunting with trumpets, but something subtle jumped out at me this weekend.  I couldn't understand why I was struggling yesterday morning, especially after I was playing fine on the drive in while practicing.  I realized my facemask had rode up a bit and was inducing a little pressure on my bottle lip, making it difficult to play with relaxed lips.  I have been pulling down my facemask to play, but that is not going to work.  The elastic, as light as it seems, is putting pressure where it doesn't belong.  I cut a hole in my mask to play through.  Problem solved.

Thought others learning to play these calls might need this info as well.

TauntoHawk

I wish I could play a trumpet, I only ever purchased 1 but I sure don't sound turkey with it

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ChesterCopperpot

Lip pressure doesn't change for me unless I'm purposefully increasing the pitch, for instance when keeing. But from call to call, I run them all exactly the same.


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hpo

Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on April 02, 2023, 05:09:35 PM
Lip pressure doesn't change for me unless I'm purposefully increasing the pitch, for instance when keeing. But from call to call, I run them all exactly the same.


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Turkeyman

Quote from: Greg Massey on February 17, 2023, 11:50:41 AM
Do you find it takes a tighter lip pressure on the smaller diameter mouthpieces? On ones with a larger diameter do you find it takes less of a grip of the mouthpiece? .. ...   I find the control of your yelping easier with a larger diameter hole in the mouthpiece ... I will agree that sure the smaller diameter takes less air but more of a closed lip on the mouthpiece ... less on the larger ones ... What are the most used drill diameters of a mouthpiece it's all very interesting ... your opinions ... For the ones who want to CRACK JOKES about this post, please move on or why don't you start  a new post...

I have two trumpets...one is .155" at the tip, .081" ID. The other is a bit smaller in both dimensions; .148"/.072".  I run them the same. I find the larger of the two a bit easier to run...but I wouldn't necessarily attribute tip size because of the internals, length etc. Also I'm more of a beginner than most of you, but getting there. EZ advised me of "loose lips" and it's paying off. I only tighten my lips to get a higher tone, e.g. a kee kee. Also, and it may be just me, if I draw with the mouthpiece more touching my upper lip I get a higher tone, more touching my lower lip, lower tone.

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Quote from: Ondavirg on April 02, 2023, 03:09:31 PM
I'm in my first year hunting with trumpets, but something subtle jumped out at me this weekend.  I couldn't understand why I was struggling yesterday morning, especially after I was playing fine on the drive in while practicing.  I realized my facemask had rode up a bit and was inducing a little pressure on my bottle lip, making it difficult to play with relaxed lips.  I have been pulling down my facemask to play, but that is not going to work.  The elastic, as light as it seems, is putting pressure where it doesn't belong.  I cut a hole in my mask to play through.  Problem solved.

Thought others learning to play these calls might need this info as well.
After I read this I realized I didn't have a plan for my face mask.  I have something I've been thinking about for years but haven't tried it.  I'm going to try it this year and I share with the group how it goes.


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gmbellew

agreed. I started with a Permar Improved Jordan.