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Author Topic: Top reed isues  (Read 80 times)

Online Shady valley birds

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Top reed isues
« on: March 25, 2020, 08:14:38 PM »
Hey guys not every call I make does this but maybe 1 out of 3 will. And the problem is when I make my first cut, the corners of the top reed loosen up and curl over.  But only after I make the first cut. Is it the tension, the back stretch? What's going on I just trim the corners and it kinda fixes it. Thanks guys
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Offline maxbo36

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Re: Top reed isues
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2020, 09:38:26 PM »
Could be a couple different issues.  If your top reed is too thin, sometimes it will curl up once cut.  I notice lately some of the .003 natural is running around .0025 and the "V" cuts sometimes want to curl.  The other issue could be lack of back tension.  When making cutter calls or Cut corner calls, if you do not put enough back tension on a call, your reeds will wrinkle or curl.  try more back tension or using a heavier reed and hopefully it helps.

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Re: Top reed isues
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2020, 11:51:18 AM »
Good suggestions, Maxbo.  Personally, I haven't figured out how to eliminate that curling problem.  Sometimes it is not an issue anyway,...if the call sounds good, don't worry about it.  If it impacts the sound, however, I usually deal with it by trimming the reed a little bit at a time until I get it to sound the way I want it to.  It is a rare call that I make anymore,...curling or not,...that I can't modify to get it where it will sound "turkey".

In terms of the reed curling problem, the bigger issue I have had (and have seen others have, as well) is the folding over and sticking of the reed "flaps" while calling.  Sometimes, out of the blue, I can be using a call that has been performing flawlessly (according to my standards, that is) and all of a sudden one of the flaps will fold over and stick.  That seems to be a function of the primary cut depth,....get the vertical cuts too deep and the flaps can fold back too easily when they get relaxed when using the call a while.

Now, a lot of the time, that is not an issue other than changing calls,...but there are those rare instances where it has happened right in the middle of a conversation with a gobbler.  THAT just pisses me off! :)

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Re: Top reed isues
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2020, 04:16:08 PM »
Thanks guys I mainly use purple .04 and orange .03 for the top reed. And I don't think I put a lot of back tension on the calls. Barley a smile in the bottom reed. How does back tension whether too much or none at all affect the sound of the call?
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Re: Top reed isues
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2020, 05:23:37 PM »
How does back tension whether too much or none at all affect the sound of the call?

At the risk of seeming like I am trying to avoid your question (which I am not), the amount of back tension to optimize call sound is really something you have to experiment with.  Unfortunately, just like every other variable in call construction, the back tension needed to get the sound you want can vary,...and it's hard to say what amount is best for each call design. 

Depending on how precise your call-making technique is, once you hit on a call design (including back tension) that really sounds good and works for you, then you can try to duplicate all of the variables as best you can to achieve that sound in the next calls you build. 

If nothing else, I put back tension in my calls to tighten the latex to eliminate the potential for wrinkling and latex "sag".  As I have stated before, I do most of the tuning of my calls through reed cut manipulation more than anything.



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Re: Top reed isues
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2020, 04:45:22 PM »
Great advice.  I can replicate the stretch, and the the back tension to an extent,  but the reed cut is my biggest issue to replicate.  But iv learned alot from you!
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Re: Top reed isues
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2020, 09:36:38 PM »
I personally like a call with lite back tension.  I find the more back tension I place in a call, the higher the tone and the more difficult it is for me to get any of the deep "R" value I look for in a call.  Having said that, I just made 200 calls for a customer that asked for the most extreme back tension I have ever put in a call and had very little side tension which tells me someone must like it.

 I agree with Gobblenut in that I have a few calls during the year that the reed curl will effect the call in mid stride by flipping, which creates an extremely off tone.  If you could send a picture of one of the curled calls, it may help diagnose it.  .004 and true .003 should not be curling IMO.  I normally have problems with .0025, .002 and often Proph.