Hope Winchester Improves on Longbeards

[Aurora Wild]

After trying and patterning a few of the longbeard xrs this year I was really impressed with the numbers that they put up at 40 yards. I'm also a bit concerned about the lack of pattern inside 40. I like em close and shoot more at 25 yards than I do at 40, and let's face it. These longbeard loads can make it pretty easy to miss at close range.  Here is my idea. A Duplex load. What if they did the shot lock treatment to the bottom half of the load, then topped it off with an oz of plain 6s, or even 7 1/2s.  Top half of the load would spread out and give a close range pattern,  bottom half should hold tight for downrange. Any body have any thoughts on this?

[10gaugemag]

Did you try a more open choke??

[Fullfan]

If it concerns you then shoot a diff shell.

[BandedSpur]

Not to be negative, but that would kind of defeat the purpose. LBs are long range shells, pure and simple. If you want better close in patterns, you need to use a non shot-locked lead load. And then there are the supposed all range shells like Federal Triple Beard and Third Degree.

[Fullfan]

Not to be negative, but that would kind of defeat the purpose. LBs are long range shells, pure and simple. If you want better close in patterns, you need to use a non shot-locked lead load. And then there are the supposed all range shells like Federal Triple Beard and Third Degree.

Could you enlighten me as to what is  " long range "

[Aurora Wild]

If it concerns you then shoot a diff shell.

I'd like to shoot a different shell, the one I described above.
I'm just hoping it comes into existence.

[Aurora Wild]

Did you try a more open choke??

I did not.  All of my shooting was with a indian creek .670. I have a factory .675 I could try,  the next construction I can find for the probore is .695,  which may be the ticket.

[FL-Boss]

I can almost guarantee they will improve on the Longbeards by next spring. It will be have a new catchy name... but with "TSS" at the end.....

[sixbird]

I like the Longbeards but not because of increased range, which I have no use for, but for increased pattern density at 20-25-30 yds. Are they tight? Yep, just what I like...

[Fullfan]

I can almost guarantee they will improve on the Longbeards by next spring. It will be have a new catchy name... but with "TSS" at the end.....

I think everyone will make some changes

[ShootingABN!]

From what I have read.... The biggest improvement needs to be quality control.... I've heard of a lot of problems this spring...

If you want a 40 and in choke. Look up Sumtoy here on this site. Email or give him a call.

Good luck.

[Happy]

Try a slightly tighter choke. That seems to open them up a bit.

[owlhoot]

From what I have read.... The biggest improvement needs to be quality control.... I've heard of a lot of problems this spring...

If you want a 40 and in choke. Look up Sumtoy here on this site. Email or give him a call.

Good luck.

Yep they diffidently need to look into those quality issues.

[mspaci]

ust put an optic on the gun & problem solved, Mike

[BandedSpur]

Not to be negative, but that would kind of defeat the purpose. LBs are long range shells, pure and simple. If you want better close in patterns, you need to use a non shot-locked lead load. And then there are the supposed all range shells like Federal Triple Beard and Third Degree.

Could you enlighten me as to what is  " long range "

Basically anything beyond 40 yds. IMO, 12 ga LBs are optimized for 40-55 or so yds, depending on shot size. Of course they will work inside 40 yds, but patterns are very snug. Non-shotlocked 12 ga lead loads are optimized from 20-45 yds, and provide much more useful patterns inside 40 yds, again IMO.