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Author Topic: What cuts for determining your airflow?  (Read 2493 times)

Offline DavePwns

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What cuts for determining your airflow?
« on: April 20, 2018, 11:21:27 AM »
I heard on a podcast that finding the right cut for your airflow is essential for becoming great with a diaphragm call. My question is, what are the main cuts for me to purchase and how do I determine which one fits my airflow best? I've heard that combo cuts, reverse combo cuts, and batwing are good cuts but are there other ones that I should be trying out? I currently only have a ghost cut primos

Any input or advice is appreciated as I want to become an effective mouth caller since I am a bow hunter.

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Re: What cuts for determining your airflow?
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2018, 01:08:01 PM »
I don't remember who suggested this here but it was VERY informative. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uPXoGEZeYg&index=7&t=0s&list=PLbF6qMoJbTLzkdmzIrqSSxeTkJKKmXVg8
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Re: What cuts for determining your airflow?
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2018, 08:22:04 PM »
After years of running modified V Shane helped me realize that a batwing was my best cut and my calling improved like that by just getting some good batwing 3 reeds

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Re: What cuts for determining your airflow?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2018, 12:11:26 PM »
In my opinion, anybody that is serious about trying to be the very best caller they can be with a mouth call should start with calls that have no cuts and learn a basic series of cut progressions to determine what works best for them.  That is the simplest, least expensive, and most effective way to find out what works best for you, personally. 

You will also find, by cutting the sound reed yourself, that every individual call has a "turkey" in it somewhere, and that the cut that finds that turkey in one call may be entirely different in the next one. 

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Re: What cuts for determining your airflow?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2019, 01:33:11 PM »
My question is- if he states V cuts won’t reproduce turkey sounds, how  do
Top pros do it with modified v cuts?
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Re: What cuts for determining your airflow?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2019, 01:52:43 PM »
My question is- if he states V cuts won’t reproduce turkey sounds, how  do
Top pros do it with modified v cuts?
If you are talking about what he starts to say at 5:30 into the video then you heard him wrong, he says they are the worst cut for producing authentic turkey sounds, not that it can't be done. He says it inhibits front end sounds.
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Re: What cuts for determining your airflow?
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2019, 09:20:35 AM »
So he is saying that they are the hardest to use basically? I get that and I’m starting g to see it. I mostly just use V cuts, and while  I can get a nasally front end, it’s not consistent and takes seriously perfect tongue positioning. When my mouth gets dry it gets hard to reproduce.  I absolutely cannot get any front end on a combo cut and reverse combo cut. So I must be a center air flow guy. I don’t like ghost cuts except for clucking and purring and kee Kees, and Jake yelps- so what’s my other option? A batwing?
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Re: What cuts for determining your airflow?
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2019, 05:45:21 PM »
So he is saying that they are the hardest to use basically? I get that and I’m starting g to see it. I mostly just use V cuts, and while  I can get a nasally front end, it’s not consistent and takes seriously perfect tongue positioning. When my mouth gets dry it gets hard to reproduce.  I absolutely cannot get any front end on a combo cut and reverse combo cut. So I must be a center air flow guy. I don’t like ghost cuts except for clucking and purring and kee Kees, and Jake yelps- so what’s my other option? A batwing?

All I can say is I bought the kit and it has helped, I know I can't get anything at all out of the call that goes to the left but do well with center and right of center though I am not sure which I am better with. I could not see how my tongue was positioned because when I opened my mouth to see my under bite made it so my tongue was completely away from the call but it was clear that the center and right are better for me.
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Re: What cuts for determining your airflow?
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2020, 10:05:15 AM »
Been using mouth calls for 30 years now. 1st time i ever heard of this deal. Over the years i have preferred the 3 reed v. I use a double reed for my kee kee and soft duet and wit wits. Tried this mirror deal last night and it seems that the are flows over the middle of my tongue when blowing i think thats what Shane meant. Is it the position of the tongue or where the air flows over? I did win a contest once so I must be doing something right. Lot of nice prizes too!I`ll experiment more. Very interesting video.

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Re: What cuts for determining your airflow?
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2020, 02:13:09 PM »
So he is saying that they are the hardest to use basically? I get that and I’m starting g to see it. I mostly just use V cuts, and while  I can get a nasally front end, it’s not consistent and takes seriously perfect tongue positioning. When my mouth gets dry it gets hard to reproduce.  I absolutely cannot get any front end on a combo cut and reverse combo cut. So I must be a center air flow guy. I don’t like ghost cuts except for clucking and purring and kee Kees, and Jake yelps- so what’s my other option? A batwing?

Suggestion:
If you currently feel most comfortable with a V-cut but can't achieve the roll-over you want to have in your yelps, try clipping the "wings" (two outside "flaps") at an angle towards the center (at about a 45 degree angle).  Do this a little at a time,...shaving off the wings,...until you get the sound you want.

As you clip the wings gradually, you will expose a little bit more of the secondary reed each time you shave off the wing edges (any fairly good scissors will do for this).  At some point you should reach the right amount of secondary reed exposure to get the sound you are looking for,...or at least see some amount of improvement in the roll-over in your yelps. 

We all have unique calling mechanics, so this might not do the trick for you and get you where you want to be, in which case you might have to explore more call designs,....then again, it might help you.