Pioneer .003 "premium" latex

[Lonehowl]

I have been working with this stuff latley, and it has good sound, but it seems to like to lose tension and sag, then the call is dead. I thought it was slipping out of the frame at first, but it just gets wet, loses stretch  and dies.

What is everyone elses opinion?
Mark

[NCYelper]

I've had a similar experience with this type of latex.  I've tried increasing the back tension but still have noticed the "sag" in the call after running it for a few minutes.  Glad to know I'm not the only one as I'm new to call building and thought I may be doing something wrong.

[vt35mag]

I wish I read this before I went and spent $50 on the premium....  Others having issues with it?  Guess we will see how it goes, after I turn a few out. 

[TRKYHTR]

The pioneer .003 natural latex is junk. Everybody I have talked to is not using it and has even changed their calls because they wont use it. It has no memory and will relax after your first use.

[vt35mag]

The pioneer .003 natural latex is junk. Everybody I have talked to is not using it and has even changed their calls because they wont use it. It has no memory and will relax after your first use.

That's a bummer... 

How have peoples experience been with the Premium .004?

I reviewed my order and most of what I got is .004 not .003

[TRKYHTR]

IDK I don't use the .004 natural.

Joe

[Lonehowl]

I just got in some more of the regular .004 and it's ok. I don't think I'd order the "premium" .004 knowing what I know now about the "premium" .003.
Mark

[Lonehowl]

Well, I bit the bullet and ordered some red and green "premium". We'll see.
Mark

[Lonehowl]

Welp, dont bother ordering any premium red or green. Its pretty much the same as the nat .003 stuff. Sags and dies.
Man, this aint good.
Mark

[TRKYHTR]

I just got some .003 from Mitchell Johnston, Dead End Game Calls, and it seems to be holding up good. I've only made a couple calls with it but they are still running good for about a week.

Joe

[Houndstooth Game Calls]

When the word "premium" I seem to always become skeptical! lol

[GobbleNut]

Shoot, all this talk is not good.  I hope the suppliers are taking note and get rid of the materials that are unsuitable for call making.  If all this is true, I suspect there may be a lot of calls on the market right now that might be worthless by the time they get used by someone,...not to mention all the call-makers who will be irate with their suppliers.   

[Lonehowl]

I dont want it to seem like Im bashing Pioneer, Ron has been real good with me . I traded out for some of the regular.004 green, which is the same as the old green. Its pretty good. I told him about the premium latex problem as well. Hope it gets taken care of. But...for now, yellow, red and nat .003 is a no go for me.

Mark