Ive noticed in the past few years the old style camos are making their way back (bottomland),(green leaf). Do y'all think the bottomland stands out enough in late season to affect a hunt? Here in the Ozark Mountains of Southeast Missouri the timber and foliage are still fairly dull before the big green up granted we have a lot of old growth oak that blend well with a pattern like bottomland or even green leaf. I keep a set of Nomad NWTF obsession around for a change up or for field hunting (which there isn't much of). Just curious at to everyones thoughts and what gear seems to work best for you and your hunting style.
I really like Original Bottomland and Greenleaf as well as Original Tree Stand for early season. I generally wear Forest Floor pants and one of those patterns shirts until green up. After things green up I switch to a Diffusion pull over top. I did pick up a medium weight North Mountain gear pull over in Greenleaf after season this year. I am going to use it for early season next year.
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My experience with original bottomland and Greenleaf have been positive in the northeast big woods. One day I rested my bottomland 870 against a tree when I was pruning some low branches. I got about 30 yards away, turned back and did not see the gun easily, it blended in to the bark of the tree. That was a good test for me, I pretty much stick to bottomland and greenleaf for that reason. Been working well....be safe...
I don't think any camouflage on the market stands out enough to affect your hunt one way or the other. The big camouflage debate is for hunters and there is nothing wrong with that. Kind of fun like Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge etc. but as far as turkeys go, it doesn't make a bit of difference wether a hunter wears Mosyoak, Realtree or any combination of camouflage.
I've always thought Bottomland was the least limiting camo pattern available. There's always grays and browns in the woods, but there's not always greens. There's always bark, but not always leaves. After green you've usually got some color in front of you anyways helping to break you up further.
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Quote from: guesswho on August 01, 2020, 08:19:10 AM
I don't think any camouflage on the market stands out enough to affect your hunt one way or the other. The big camouflage debate is for hunters and there is nothing wrong with that. Kind of fun like Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge etc. but as far as turkeys go, it doesn't make a bit of difference wether a hunter wears Mosyoak, Realtree or any combination of camouflage.
I agree with this, I think camo is way overrated, most of the time I wear solid grey or all green flannel shirts, while hunting, there comfortable and cheaper than camo, and never had problems.I think the best camouflage is being Still.
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Quote from: guesswho on August 01, 2020, 08:19:10 AM
I don't think any camouflage on the market stands out enough to affect your hunt one way or the other. The big camouflage debate is for hunters and there is nothing wrong with that. Kind of fun like Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge etc. but as far as turkeys go, it doesn't make a bit of difference wether a hunter wears Mosyoak, Realtree or any combination of camouflage.
I agree with this, I think camo is way overrated, most of the time I wear solid grey or all green flannel shirts, while hunting, there comfortable and cheaper than camo, and never had problems.I think the best camouflage is being Still.
X3 .. you can wear pair blue jeans and flannel shirt and kill turkeys , camo is way over rated, it's best you be still and patience ...
I like some of the older patterns. Brings back some good memories when i see it!
I don't get hung up on camo patterns...sort of like lures made for the fisherman, not the fish. I generally wear the WWII woodland stuff more than any other. If you buy the true mil spec clothing absolutely no other manufacturer can match the cut of the cloth...too expensive for them. Now...if someone came out with a more modern pattern made to mil spec I'd most likely buy it. But they won't...all about money.
Turkeyman you might take a look at these
https://www.natchezss.com/natchez-exclusive-tru-spec-bdu-pants-original-bottomland-camo-100-cotton.html
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Strong preference for original Bottomland / Treestand / Greenleaf. While remaining still is key, a camo pattern can help mask those small movements as you shift to get on target, a 3D pullover even more so.
Washed out and faded camo can be a liability - white/gray faded fabric makes you stick out in the woods and shadows.
Quote from: falltoms on August 01, 2020, 10:24:54 AM
Quote from: guesswho on August 01, 2020, 08:19:10 AM
I don't think any camouflage on the market stands out enough to affect your hunt one way or the other. The big camouflage debate is for hunters and there is nothing wrong with that. Kind of fun like Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge etc. but as far as turkeys go, it doesn't make a bit of difference wether a hunter wears Mosyoak, Realtree or any combination of camouflage.
I agree with this, I think camo is way overrated, most of the time I wear solid grey or all green flannel shirts, while hunting, there comfortable and cheaper than camo, and never had problems.I think the best camouflage is being Still.
I wear Realtree Xtra .Having said that, I wholeheartedly agree with the last sentence above.
I don't think it matters what camo you wear, if you move, Game Over!
Agree! Been there...
Quote from: Greg Massey on August 01, 2020, 11:16:21 AM
Quote from: falltoms on August 01, 2020, 10:24:54 AM
Quote from: guesswho on August 01, 2020, 08:19:10 AM
I don't think any camouflage on the market stands out enough to affect your hunt one way or the other. The big camouflage debate is for hunters and there is nothing wrong with that. Kind of fun like Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge etc. but as far as turkeys go, it doesn't make a bit of difference wether a hunter wears Mosyoak, Realtree or any combination of camouflage.
I agree with this, I think camo is way overrated, most of the time I wear solid grey or all green flannel shirts, while hunting, there comfortable and cheaper than camo, and never had problems.I think the best camouflage is being Still.
X3 .. you can wear pair blue jeans and flannel shirt and kill turkeys , camo is way over rated, it's best you be still and patience ...
But I make camo look sexy!
Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 02, 2020, 09:57:09 PM
Quote from: Greg Massey on August 01, 2020, 11:16:21 AM
Quote from: falltoms on August 01, 2020, 10:24:54 AM
Quote from: guesswho on August 01, 2020, 08:19:10 AM
I don't think any camouflage on the market stands out enough to affect your hunt one way or the other. The big camouflage debate is for hunters and there is nothing wrong with that. Kind of fun like Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge etc. but as far as turkeys go, it doesn't make a bit of difference wether a hunter wears Mosyoak, Realtree or any combination of camouflage.
I agree with this, I think camo is way overrated, most of the time I wear solid grey or all green flannel shirts, while hunting, there comfortable and cheaper than camo, and never had problems.I think the best camouflage is being Still.
X3 .. you can wear pair blue jeans and flannel shirt and kill turkeys , camo is way over rated, it's best you be still and patience ...
But I make camo look sexy!
I guess that's why those rabies coons like you so much , because your Sexy .. :TooFunny:
Quote from: Greg Massey on August 03, 2020, 12:09:29 AM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 02, 2020, 09:57:09 PM
Quote from: Greg Massey on August 01, 2020, 11:16:21 AM
Quote from: falltoms on August 01, 2020, 10:24:54 AM
Quote from: guesswho on August 01, 2020, 08:19:10 AM
I don't think any camouflage on the market stands out enough to affect your hunt one way or the other. The big camouflage debate is for hunters and there is nothing wrong with that. Kind of fun like Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge etc. but as far as turkeys go, it doesn't make a bit of difference wether a hunter wears Mosyoak, Realtree or any combination of camouflage.
I agree with this, I think camo is way overrated, most of the time I wear solid grey or all green flannel shirts, while hunting, there comfortable and cheaper than camo, and never had problems.I think the best camouflage is being Still.
X3 .. you can wear pair blue jeans and flannel shirt and kill turkeys , camo is way over rated, it's best you be still and patience ...
But I make camo look sexy!
I guess that's why those rabies coons like you so much , because your Sexy .. :TooFunny:
Twas a skunk! Could have made perfume from it after it bit me.
:TooFunny:
Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 03, 2020, 04:22:43 AM
Quote from: Greg Massey on August 03, 2020, 12:09:29 AM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 02, 2020, 09:57:09 PM
Quote from: Greg Massey on August 01, 2020, 11:16:21 AM
Quote from: falltoms on August 01, 2020, 10:24:54 AM
Quote from: guesswho on August 01, 2020, 08:19:10 AM
I don't think any camouflage on the market stands out enough to affect your hunt one way or the other. The big camouflage debate is for hunters and there is nothing wrong with that. Kind of fun like Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge etc. but as far as turkeys go, it doesn't make a bit of difference wether a hunter wears Mosyoak, Realtree or any combination of camouflage.
I agree with this, I think camo is way overrated, most of the time I wear solid grey or all green flannel shirts, while hunting, there comfortable and cheaper than camo, and never had problems.I think the best camouflage is being Still.
X3 .. you can wear pair blue jeans and flannel shirt and kill turkeys , camo is way over rated, it's best you be still and patience ...
But I make camo look sexy!
I guess that's why those rabies coons like you so much , because your Sexy .. :TooFunny:
Twas a skunk! Could have made perfume from it after it bit me.
:TooFunny: yes ..............
Quote from: Ozarks Hillbilly on August 01, 2020, 05:41:57 PM
Turkeyman you might take a look at these
https://www.natchezss.com/natchez-exclusive-tru-spec-bdu-pants-original-bottomland-camo-100-cotton.html
Great...I think I'll order a set...haven't been able to find any in the past.
Ordered the pants...coat out of stock but selected to email me when available. Thanks.
Your more than welcome
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I'll see what it's like when it comes. Hopefully it won't be too noisy because I'd like to wear it for deer hunting as well. But for those that don't know the difference there's no comparison between mil spec and your regular Chinese garbage, Realtree et al, when it comes to quality.
Quote from: Turkeyman on August 04, 2020, 05:11:05 PM
I'll see what it's like when it comes. Hopefully it won't be too noisy because I'd like to wear it for deer hunting as well. But for those that don't know the difference there's no comparison between mil spec and your regular Chinese garbage, Realtree et al, when it comes to quality.
I would think the noise would be much more of a problem for turkey hunting, even with bow hunting?
I don't think camo is over rated but I think camo fashion is out of hand.
I think bottomland might be the best. Because it doesn't just try to imitate woods like obsession does, it's woods colors and breaking up your pattern.
I think it's possible to wear bottomland all season but about midway through the season I switch up my top with a 3D leafy top.
Turkeys eye sight is so good I think you would need a full blown Gilly suit to fool them. With regular camo patterns I know I don't got much time before they notice me.
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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on August 01, 2020, 08:20:45 AM
I've always thought Bottomland was the least limiting camo pattern available. There's always grays and browns in the woods, but there's not always greens. There's always bark, but not always leaves. After green you've usually got some color in front of you anyways helping to break you up further.
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I hunt mainly hardwoods, lots of pine thickets around just don't hunt em so I too believe the grays and browns you get in the bottomland or green leaf usually always seem to have a place.
I absolutely agree that the best camo is just sitting still! Then again theres really not much of a debate if you're a believer in camouflage that certain camo's have their place and time. Just some turkey talk while we patiently count down the days!
If you remain still anything will work if you don't nothing will work.
I just buy whatever is comfortable, functional, and that I can get at a decent price. I don't think it matter's that much and kind of get a kick out of the guys who have to have matching camo head to toe :popcorn:
Quote from: guesswho on August 01, 2020, 08:19:10 AM
I don't think any camouflage on the market stands out enough to affect your hunt one way or the other. The big camouflage debate is for hunters and there is nothing wrong with that. Kind of fun like Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge etc. but as far as turkeys go, it doesn't make a bit of difference wether a hunter wears Mosyoak, Realtree or any combination of camouflage.
Agree. Sit still and you're in good shape
Quote from: paboxcall on August 01, 2020, 06:38:21 PM
Washed out and faded camo can be a liability - white/gray faded fabric makes you stick out in the woods and shadows.
Entirely agree. There comes a time in most camo's life after a few washings that a lot of it starts to look light gray compared to it's surroundings. The bad part about it is that it retains some of the camo pattern so up-close and personal, it doesn't look like it would stand out. Look at someone wearing that faded camo from 50 or 100 yards away, though, and they stand out like a dog turd in a kiddy pool. :o
But,,, If the dog turd don't move..
I'm always far more concerned about contrast rather than pattern. Sitting up against a huge white birch give me a Tyvek snow suit.
Quote from: saltysenior on August 17, 2020, 08:22:06 PM
But,,, If the dog turd don't move..
....then it most likely won`t matter what it`s wearing.
I think several folks took this and ran the wrong direction with it. Im in complete agreement that the best camo is sit still and quiet, theres no mistaking that. Theres also not any mistaking that every pattern has its time and place, no camo fashion here just making some turkey talk and pointing out that ive seen a trend in the old camos making their way back.
As you say, Huckleberry, it is a good topic for off-season discussion to pass some time.
In the end, each of us has our own preference in camo,...and our own reasons for choosing it. Most camo, when used in most places, will "work" if the chosen "hiding spot" is compatible with it. If I am hunting somewhere that I know the habitat, I am inclined to choose a camo pattern that fits that habitat in some general manner. However, I am also confident that even if my choice is out of place for whatever reason, I can choose my set-ups such that my camo will blend in,...or at least suffice.
Some of the patterns that seem to be very popular with other hunters, including both old designs and new, just don't "float my boat", if you know what I mean. Unless something looks to me like it will be glaringly out-of-place where I am going to hunt, I am inclined to choose the camo that suits my personal "tastes" best. I am also inclined, all other factors being equal, to choose the product that fits my personal limitations on price. Personally, I don't buy into the "if it costs more, it must be better" mindset.
I don't think individual camo patterns makes that much of a difference. However, I do own two sets. I have a dark realtree set of pants and a button down shirt for early in the season, and a set in Obsession in the same getup for the last couple weeks of may. Greenup can happen pretty fast in my neck of the woods, and I really think it's contrast that plays the biggest part in the camo pattern itself being effective. If you have low contrast and low movement, you're cutting out two huge variables.
But that said, I've also killed turkeys before work in a pair of khaki carhartt pants and a grey hoodie - so you never know.
Back drop and stillness, in my opinion is of most importance
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Adding to my previous reply- If given the choice, I try to buy something that will fit all the stages of the seasons. This is just my opinion and thought process- I love Natural Gear, for example, because no matter what part of the country I hunt, the tones of gray, and some brown mixed in, always seem to blend in...whether that be out west in sage country/arid country, back east in the timber etc... I don't own much Obsession (again just for example ) because in early season before green up, the lighter green stands out a little more and it doesn't blend as well and it doesn't blend as well out west where you see more light gray/ sandy colored terrain.
That's just my personal thoughts on being camo specific but my top priorities are comfort (I like the poly/dry fit type material cause I sweat and hate to feel damp all day) and price, then specific pattern type.
Quote from: redleg06 on August 22, 2020, 11:14:39 AM
Adding to my previous reply- If given the choice, I try to buy something that will fit all the stages of the seasons. This is just my opinion and thought process- I love Natural Gear, for example, because no matter what part of the country I hunt, the tones of gray, and some brown mixed in, always seem to blend in...whether that be out west in sage country/arid country, back east in the timber etc... I don't own much Obsession (again just for example ) because in early season before green up, the lighter green stands out a little more and it doesn't blend as well and it doesn't blend as well out west where you see more light gray/ sandy colored terrain.
That's just my personal thoughts on being camo specific but my top priorities are comfort (I like the poly/dry fit type material cause I sweat and hate to feel damp all day) and price, then specific pattern type.
I also really like the Natural Gear camo. I feel like the science behind it is solid....however, its hard to find clothes brands that use their camo except Natural Gear clothing. I do have some Banded brand waders for duck hunting in Natural Gear camo but mostly their camo is only on their brand clothes....and I don't like many of their clothes. I went down the camo rabbit hole researching it a while back. I really think that for most animals...muted colors and sitting still is all you "really" need. However, ducks and turkeys have much sharper eyesight than big game animals and so camo is more important. That being said.....I wear Bottomland, first lite fusion, old woodland, mossy shadow grass, realtree apx all for different situations....but mostly if what I need for the temperature/weather is in some sort of camo...I'll wear it rather than pick the camo for how it looks. If the leaves are off the trees....I try to go with camo that is browner/greyer. If leaves are on....something with a tad more green in it.
Camo is great marketing. Appels more to the hunters than to the game.
LOL I do like the old school Greenleaf. :)
I think outline break up and back drop are two of the most important factors. Earth tones never hurt if you're hunting hardwoods you'll find about all of those colors and more.
I think the major reason you are seeing some of the old patterns coming back is the same reason bell bottomed pants and corduroy made a comeback, good old fashioned nostalgia.
Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 23, 2020, 12:25:30 AM
I think the major reason you are seeing some of the old patterns coming back is the same reason bell bottomed pants and corduroy made a comeback, good old fashioned nostalgia.
Absolutely. Old school cool!
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Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 23, 2020, 12:25:30 AM
I think the major reason you are seeing some of the old patterns coming back is the same reason bell bottomed pants and corduroy made a comeback, good old fashioned nostalgia.
Absolutely. Old school cool!
Not a big fan of the old stuff myself, does not work well in the area I hunt, when I could still hunt outside of a blind anyway. I think the newer patterns are better in some ways and in the right conditions the older styles may be better as well. I like old Mossy Oak Breakup myself, some might call that old. I do like new Bottomland much more than the original. I ended up picking up a pair of pants in I think it was called greenleaf this year because they were the size I needed and cheap, kinda started to like it to be honest. Here is pic in case I have the name wrong.
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Quote from: Huckleberry91 on August 23, 2020, 12:29:56 AM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 23, 2020, 12:25:30 AM
I think the major reason you are seeing some of the old patterns coming back is the same reason bell bottomed pants and corduroy made a comeback, good old fashioned nostalgia.
Absolutely. Old school cool!
Not a big fan of the old stuff myself, does not work well in the area I hunt, when I could still hunt outside of a blind anyway. I think the newer patterns are better in some ways and in the right conditions the older styles may be better as well. I like old Mossy Oak Breakup myself, some might call that old. I do like new Bottomland much more than the original. I ended up picking up a pair of pants in I think it was called greenleaf this year because they were the size I needed and cheap, kinda started to like it to be honest. Here is pic in case I have the name wrong.
Looks like Greenleaf to me
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Quote from: ol bob on August 12, 2020, 01:33:42 PM
If you remain still anything will work if you don't nothing will work.
This^^^^^
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I like the treebark and bottomland and greenleaf because that's what was popular when I started hunting. I'm 50 and got into hunting in my late teens and early 20s and I'm still hunting in alot of those same original cloths, luckily I still weigh about the same. I only wash them about once a year or as needed and keep them in a plastic tub with fresh cedar limbs in the bottom of the tub year around and take my hunting cloths off as soon as I get done hunting and put them back in the tub so they've held up good. I regularly have deer under my stand and have never used any of those scent lock type of cloths or ozonics.
That said, I've been schooled many times by my father in law. I'll be decked out head to toe in camo, and he'll have on a flannel shirt and blue denim overalls and he'll always get a turkey before I do.
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Quote from: Ozarks Hillbilly on August 01, 2020, 05:41:57 PM
Turkeyman you might take a look at these
https://www.natchezss.com/natchez-exclusive-tru-spec-bdu-pants-original-bottomland-camo-100-cotton.html
Great...I think I'll order a set...haven't been able to find any in the past.
Ordered the pants...coat out of stock but selected to email me when available. Thanks.
Turkeyman - Did you receive them, what did you think of them? Seem as tough as mil spec? I have a similar pair from Mossy Oak and they were pretty thin, faded and raveled pretty quickly.
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Quote from: Turkeyman on August 04, 2020, 03:28:41 PM
Quote from: Ozarks Hillbilly on August 01, 2020, 05:41:57 PM
Turkeyman you might take a look at these
https://www.natchezss.com/natchez-exclusive-tru-spec-bdu-pants-original-bottomland-camo-100-cotton.html
Great...I think I'll order a set...haven't been able to find any in the past.
Ordered the pants...coat out of stock but selected to email me when available. Thanks.
Turkeyman - Did you receive them, what did you think of them? Seem as tough as mil spec? I have a similar pair from Mossy Oak and they were pretty thin, faded and raveled pretty quickly.
Yes I received them. The quality I was looking for. Typical Oriental stuff can't compare, IMO. I'll keep an eye out for the matching jacket.